Xenon Pharmaceuticals Inc (XENE) 2025 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Thank you for standing by. My name is Carly, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q1 2025 Xenon Pharmaceuticals earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions)

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Chad Fugier, Xenon's Vice President of Investor relations. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us on our call and webcast to discuss Xenon's first quarter 2025 financial and operating results. Joining me are Ian Mortimer, Xenon's President and Chief Executive Officer; Dr. Chris Kenney, Xenon's Chief Medical Officer; and Sherry Aulin, Xenon's Chief Financial Officer. After completing their prepared remarks today, we'll open the call up for your questions.

Please be advised that during this call, we will make a number of statements that are forward-looking. Statements regarding the timing of and potential results from clinical trials, the potential efficacy, safety profile, future development plans, and current and anticipated indications, addressable market, regulatory success, and commercial potential of our and our partners product candidates.

The efficacy of our clinical trial designs, our ability to successfully develop and achieve milestones in our clinical development programs, including the anticipated filing of INDs and NDAs, the timing and results of those filings and our interactions with regulators. Our ability to successfully obtain regulatory approvals, anticipated timing of the top line data readout for our clinical trials of the counter, and our expectation that we will have sufficient cash to fund operations in the 2027.

Today's press release summarizing Xenon's first quarter financial results in the accompanying quarterly report on Form 10-Q will be made available under the investor section of our website at xenon-pharma.com and filed with the SEC and on SEDAR+.

Now I would like to turn the call over to Ian.

Thanks, Chad, and good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our call today. I'll begin with a brief review of highlights from the past quarter and our progress across our growing neuroscience focused pipeline, including progress on our Phase 3 studies of Azetukalner and epilepsy, our expanding clinical development work in psychiatry, as well as our early stage programs that are entering first in human studies this year.

After that, I'll turn the call over to Chris, who will share more details on our clinical development programs, including high level top line results from the completed investigator led MDD study, along with an update on our recent engagement efforts to raise the profile of the Azetukalner. Sherry will close with a summary of our partner program, financial results, and anticipated milestones.

Starting with our Azetukalner Phase 3 epilepsy program, as you've heard from us consistently delivering data from our X-TOLE2 study remains our number one priority at Xenon. We are nearing the end of patient recruitment in X-TOLE2, which we expect will complete within the next few months, with top line results anticipated early next year.

While acknowledging the slight delay versus our prior guidance, I want to emphasize that we are approaching the conclusion of this study and importantly progressing towards our goal of bringing this important new medicine to patients. From the outset to maximize study success, we have prioritized working with high quality, experienced sites and monitored key metrics rigorously throughout the study.

As we approach the conclusion of this work, we are very pleased that these metrics align consistently with our successful Phase 2b X-TOLE study. Bottom line, we continue to have high confidence in X-TOLE2 and share the epilepsy community's excitement as we progress towards our Phase 3 readout. It's this excitement that drives us and our scientific leadership and investment in the Kv7 landscape.

As a reminder, Azetukalner is the only Kv7 opener and the only new ASM in development that is backed by long-term efficacy and safety data from clinical studies of patients living with epilepsy, now having amassed over 700 patient years of exposure in focal epilepsy patients.

There remains a substantial need for new efficacious and well tolerated epilepsy therapies, especially for those patients who continue to experience the debilitating impacts of focal seizures even while taking multiple anti-seizure medications. And we believe that as that to counter's key attributes, as seen to date, demonstrate its potential to provide an important new option for the epilepsy community.

We consistently hear positive feedback about the need for a new medicine to address continuing unmet needs in epilepsy treatment, and there is excitement within the medical community about Azetukalner's potential to offer a novel mechanism without titration, early onset of effect, seizure freedom, and mood benefit. Azetukalner has the potential to be a best in class anti-seizure medication. That could offer significant and meaningful benefits in the future treatment of epilepsy.

Shifting to broadening the use of a calendar beyond epilepsy into neuropsychiatry, enrollment is ongoing in our first Phase 3 MDD study, X-NOVA2, with our second MDD study X-NOVA3 and our first Phase 3 study in bipolar depression, both on track to initiate by mid-year.

In addition, and as mentioned in today's press release, we now have the final results from the investigator sponsored study of the Azetukalner and MDD. Chris will provide some details on these results in a moment, but briefly, the results are consistent with our expectations and our prior X-NOVA study, including clear drug activity on both MADRS and SHAPS based on separation between Azetukalner and placebo at every time point. We believe these results reaffirm the already strong scientific rationale to pursue further development in this high unmet need patient population.

Moving now to our early stage pipeline, there is significant momentum across our preclinical programs, with multiple regulatory filings expected this year to support the initiation of first in human trials across a number of validated ion channel targets. This broadening and building out of our early stage pipeline is a direct result of the successful leveraging of our extensive knowledge and expertise in developing potassium and sodium channel therapeutics.

As our diverse pipeline of early stage drug candidates continues to mature, I'm incredibly proud of the considerable progress we are making across multiple programs targeting ion channels that include Kv7, Nav1.7, and Nav1.1. Today I'll give you an update on each of these promising programs.

Recognizing the potential broad applicability of the Kv7 mechanism of Azetukalner, we have identified multiple chemically diverse Kv7 development candidates and believe that this mechanism may have utility in a broad range of therapeutic indications, including seizure disorders, pain, and neuropsychiatric disorders such as MDD and BPD. I am pleased to report that a clinical trial application was recently accepted for XEN1120.

A Kv7 channel opener that we intend to study as a potential treatment for pain, and a Phase 1 study in healthy adult participants is now underway. As a reminder, there is good clinical evidence supporting the development of novel selective Kv7 openers optimized for pain. We also have a number of other Kv7 molecules and chemistries that will follow XEN1120.

We also continue to make substantial progress within our Nav1.7 sodium channel program, where we believe we may have addressed the limitations of first generation drugs targeting Nav1.7. A key part of Xenon's heritage involves our pioneering work that contribute to the strong human genetic validation of Nav1.7 as a pain target.

And we believeAV 1.7 could represent a new class of medicines which address the unmet medical needs for effective alternatives to opioids. We have nominated multiple selective Nav1.7 development candidates to date, and IMD enabling work is complete for our lead candidate XEN1701, for which we expect to initiate a Phase 1 first in human study in the third quarter of this year.

Work within our Nav1.1 program also continues to progress. Our pre-clinical work to date suggests that targeting Nav1.1 could potentially address the underlying cause and symptoms of Dravet syndrome. Data shows that dosing with an orally available small molecule, CNS penetrant, and highly selective Nav1.1 potentiator suppressed induced seizures and improved motor function, supporting the potential for improvements in Dravet patient motor function.

Further, in these animal models, chronic dosing suppressed spontaneous seizures, protected against sudden unexpected death and epilepsy or suit up and increased long-term potentiation, a potential cellular correlate of learning and memory. These preclinical data are incredibly exciting, and we anticipate that a lead Nav1.1 candidate will enter R&D enabling studies this year.

This summer we planned to host multiple R&D webinars to showcase various early stage programs. They will include deeper dives into mechanism, underlying human genetics, preclinical results, and other supporting data, as well as an overview of disease prevalence and unmet medical needs within certain patient populations. This first webinar will take place in June and we'll focus on our approach to treating pain with drug candidates targeting both Nav1.7 and Kv7.

As Xenon continues to advance promising late and early stage programs, I believe we are entering a catalyst rich period for the company as we near, most importantly, the first Phase 3 topline readout of the Azetukalner in FOS. This represents a major inflection point for Xenon, signaling our evolution from a clinical stage to commercial organization, and I look forward to keeping you updated on our progress as we await results.

I'll now turn the call over to Chris, who will provide some additional details around our clinical development programs and importantly, the IST results, as well as our broader outreach to the HCP and patient communities. Chris, over to you.

All right, Ian, thanks a lot. As a reminder, our Phase 3 epilepsy program includes our two X-TOLE studies in focal onset seizures or FOS, that's X-TOLE2 and X-TOLE3, and our exact study in primary generalized tonic-clonic seizures or PGTCS. As Ian noted, we're nearing the end of patient recruitment in X-TOLE2 in the next few months. Despite the modest change to our top line guidance, we remain highly confident in the conduct and quality of the X-TOLE2 study. As Ian mentioned, we continue to see investigator enthusiasm around the Azetukalner and a high rollover rate into the open label extension study, consistent with rates observed in X-TOLE.

In addition, as with all our studies, we track a number of key metrics throughout the study as we near the end of X-TOLE2, we believe that we are seeing strong consistency on all of these metrics when we compare to our successful Phase 2b X-TOLE study. We continue to be excited by the prospect of this first Phase 3 FOS study outcome, and we believe the finish line is in sight as we look forward to completing patient recruitment in the next few months.

As we're getting closer to topline data, we continue our ongoing educational and scientific outreach efforts to raise the profile of Azetukalner amongst healthcare providers. Our team recently presented three epilepsy-related posters at the American Academy of Neurology, or AAN that took place in early April. Building upon more than 700+ patient years of data, we're excited to share our 36 month Azetukalner data from our ongoing X-TOLE open label extension study, and FOS that shows sustained monthly reduction in seizure frequency, impressive seizure freedom rates, and a consistent AE safety profile suggesting long-term efficacy and tolerability of Azetukalner.

We also presented an exploratory analysis from our X-TOLE study showing reduced seizure frequency rates across 4 focal seizure subtypes. These promising data support our conviction that a Azetukalner may offer hope for people who continue to seek new efficacious and well tolerated therapies to address the debilitating impacts of uncontrolled seizures.

AAN also provided another timely opportunity for us to connect directly with a broad range of healthcare providers and patient advocacy groups. Discussions at the conference were wide ranging and gave us the opportunity to present the science and the data to date and highlight the mental health burdens associated with epilepsy and engage in meaningful discussions around the under detected and undertreated depressive symptoms associated with epilepsy.

One of our poster presentations focused on patient reported survey data that we collected, which further illustrates the substantial burden of illness for people living with epilepsy. With reduced quality of life, high seizure frequency, and fatigue, as well as other comorbidities such as anxiety and depression, further underscoring the need for new treatments to help people living with epilepsy. We also highlighted Azetukalner's potential in neuropsychiatric disorders such as MDD and bipolar depression based on scientific rationale and unmet medical needs.

Before I dive into an update on our company-sponsored clinical programs and neuropsychiatric indications, I wanted to provide additional details and contexts from the recently completed investigator-sponsored study of Azetukalner in MDD that was led by Doctor James Murro at the Icahn School of Medicine, Mount Sinai.

As a reminder, this study was designed as a 60 patient placebo controlled trial with a functional primary endpoint to evaluate the effect of a 20 milligram daily dose of a Azetukalner on brain measures of reward as measured by the change in activation within the bilateral ventral striatum from baseline to end of treatment at week 8, as assessed by functional MRI. And also to evaluate secondary endpoints that include an assessment of MADRS and SHAPS through an eight-week period.

Despite being a small study, the results provide additional evidence supporting the potential of the KV mechanism and Azetukalner to have antidepressant and anti-hedonic effects, which is a significant unmet need in treating patients with depression.

Highlights of the IST results include the following. Compared to X-NOVA and what we expect in our Phase 3 program, given our entry criteria, the investigator initiated trial enrolled a less impaired population as indicated by lower mean baseline MADRS and SHAPS scores. For both MADRS and SHAPS, as the two calendar numerically outperformed placebo at every time point measured. As expected given the small sample size, the improvements were not significant.

Looking specifically at MADRS, compared to subjects in the placebo group, subjects in the Azetukalner group saw both early and larger improvements in MADRS scores. The separation was approximately 2 points at the first time point measured week 2, confirming early onset of effect, and peaked at a greater than 4 point delta between active and placebo at week 6.

As a reminder, week 6 was the end of the study for X-NOVA and is the end for our Phase MDD studies. Therefore, confirming and actually slightly outperforming our Phase 2 X-NOVA data. For the IST, the study went out to 8 weeks, and the separation between active and placebo was less pronounced at week 8 compared to week 6 due to a significant improvement in placebo between weeks 6 and 8. When looking at the individual patient data, this effect could potentially be explained by three subjects whose modus scores fluctuated considerably between week 6 and week 8, all in the context of a small sample size.

Subjects in Azetukalner group also saw earlier and greater improvements on SHAPS measure of anhedonia, which is a core symptom of MDD. Again, we see the same pattern with early separation between the Azetukalner and the placebo group, and this separation continued throughout the study consistent with the separation seen in our X-NOVA study, including a greater than 3 point delta between active and placebo at week 6.

On the safety side, is that your counter was generally well tolerated with an AE profile generally consistent with prior studies and the known mechanism. In addition, there were no reports of weight gain or sexual dysfunction, which are common adverse events with standard of care agents. The most common adverse events include dizziness, incoordination, and confusion.

As we look at the totality of the data, most of these AEs were mild or moderate in severity, with only one serious adverse event deemed unrelated to Azetukalner and a low rate of treatment discontinuations due to adverse events that was comparable to placebo.

So in summary, a Azetukalner demonstrated consistent and numerically greater improvements on MADRS and SHAPS at all time points measured. Importantly, the greater than 4 point and 3 point separation between Azetukalner and placebo on MADRS and SHAPS respectively at week 6 demonstrates meaningful drug activity and reflects the length of the double blind period in our Phase 3 MDD program. In addition, we believe the benefit risk profile of Azetukalner is reinforced, as there is nothing unexpected or concerning in the adverse event profile seen in this study, given the study design in small numbers.

The lead investigator, Doctor James Murrough, has submitted an abstract to present these data at the American Society of clinical psychopharmacology, or ASCP later this month and intends to submit for peer review publication at a later date.

Turning to Xenon's efforts to expand the Azetukalner use in neuropsychiatry, I wanted to first highlight that X-NOVA2, the first of 3 planned Phase 3 clinical trials evaluating the Azetukalner in patients with MDD, continues to enroll patients after initiating late last year, and the next, the second study, X-NOVA3, is on track to initiate by mid-year.

We continue to engage with physicians who treat patients with MDD to educate them about our ongoing clinical studies and the potentially differentiated profile of Azetukalner versus standard of care agents. Of note, physicians are interested in Azetukalner's novel selective Kv7 mechanism of action and its potential benefit on anhedonia, rapidity of onset, as well as its potentially favorable tolerability profile, with data to date supporting no notable adverse effects on sexual function or weight gain.

We also plan to run two identical clinical studies evaluating the Azetukalner. In a mixed population of bipolar 1 and bipolar 2 depression, with the first study on track to initiate by mid-year after recently receiving IND clearance from FDA. We look forward to providing more details around our BPD registrational program once our first trial is initiated.

In summary, as we drive towards a Phase 3 FOS readout, we believe that a Azetukalner provides the promise of a new anti-seizure medication to people living with the burdens of seizures and looking beyond epilepsy could address the needs of people living with neuropsychiatric disorders such as MDD and bipolar depression.

I'd like to now turn the call over to Sherry, who will begin by providing some additional detail around our partner program before summarizing our financial results. Sherry.

Thanks, Chris. Now looking briefly at our financial results, we recognized revenue of $7.5 million during the first quarter related to a milestone payment in connection with our collaboration with Neurorene, triggered by the initiation of a Phase 1 study of NBI-921355, a selective inhibitor of Nav1.2 and Nav1.6 in development for the potential treatment of certain types of epilepsy.

Cash and cash equivalents and marketable securities totaled $691.1 million as of March 31, 2025, compared to $754.4 million as of December 31, 2024. Based on current operating plans, including the completion of the Azetukalner Phase 3 epilepsy studies and supporting late stage clinical development of the Azetukalner in MDD and BPD, we anticipate having sufficient cash to fund operations into 2027.

Given our proven track record of strong fiscal management, Deon is in the fortunate position of having a strong balance sheet to support multiple registrational programs for Azetukalner and the continued maturation of our early stage pipeline. I would refer you to our news release and 10-Q report filed today for further details around our financial results.

We're entering a transformational period for Xenon as we evolved from a clinical to commercial stage company. We believe that positive top line results from our Phase 3 epilepsy program will enable an NDA submission to the FDA with the goal of advancing a Azetukalner towards commercialization.

In addition, other late stage neuropsychiatric programs will be well underway by year end, with 2 X-NOVA trials in MDD expected to be recruiting patients and a registrational study in BPD also initiated by mid-year. Our deep pipeline also contains multiple promising early stage therapeutic candidates across a number of ion channel targets, supporting our goal to be a fully integrated premier neuroscience focused company.

On behalf of everyone on the Xenon team, we're incredibly excited in Xenon's evolution and remained focused on taking important steps forward to bring us closer to delivering a Azetukalner to people living with epilepsy.

With that, I will pause and open the call for your questions, operator.

(Operator Instructions)

Paul Matteis, Stifel.

We were just wondering, from the top line epilepsy data in early 2026, how quickly could you file assuming that's positive.

And then just a second question, you guys talked about tracking some key metrics. Could you provide any color on what those are and, yeah, just like kind of what those metrics are and how they compare to the Phase 2b.

Sure, yeah, happy to address both of those questions. So on the top line data to NDA filing, so we haven't provided specific guidance, but I think many people have heard from us in the past and we'll be able to refine this over time, but it's approximately kind of 6 months, from top line data to filing, important to note is that it it is the clinical data that's on the critical path, so.

We know just how broad an NDA filing is as it relates to the non-clinical sections, CMC clinical pharmacology, all of the data, all of that's in really good shape, and you know we're already writing certain sections of the NDA now and we'll continue to do that through the remainder of this year.

On the metrics question, so there's a lot of things that we track in all of our clinical studies to really make sure that we believe we have, we're working with the highest quality sites, we're making sure we're getting the right patients in, the conduct is there, but just to give you a bit of an idea. In epilepsy, we have a patient screening period, we have a baseline period, then the patients are randomized to go through a double blind period and then.

If they complete the double blind period, they have an ability to roll over into open label extensions. So as we think about that, there's lots of things that we can kind of measure along the way. So in that kind of screening, I'll give you some examples kind of in that screening and baseline period we can look at the patient, baseline characteristics, the demographics, what their baseline seizure burden is we can measure even before they get randomized what their compliance is going to be like to a diary.

We can also look, throughout the double blinded a number of things and then we can look at rollover rates into the open label extension as well. So there's a number of things that we kind of track, along the way just to make sure that we're comfortable in terms of the way the study is being conducted.

Tessa Romero, JP Morgan.

Hi and team, good afternoon guys, and thanks so much for taking our question. Following up here, can you provide any quantification on how many patients you still need to recruit for X-TOLE2, any numbers you can put around it for us, and what are you specifically focused on to ensure you meet this guidance or is it really just par for the course here we noticed on clinicaltrials.gov that it seems like some additional trial sites have recently been added. And finally, can you talk to what the screen failure rate is coming out to be and is that similar to what you saw in X-TOLE2? Thanks so much.

Sure, Tess, I'm happy to provide my perspective, Chris, you can add to this as well. So yeah, Tess, I think you kind of saw in the press release and with our prepared remarks is we're getting close, so we feel we're, in the next couple of months we'll be done. Difficult to predict exactly. There's always, we've talked about in previous calls, kind of these ebbs and flows in a clinical trial like epilepsy, just given, the number of clinical sites that we use overall and the number of patients that are screened or randomized from any given site is a reasonably small number that you do see some variability kind of month to month in screenings and randomizations, but I think we feel good that we're getting close to the end.

We can see the finish line and we we'll get there over the next couple of months. In terms of kind of new sites, yeah, I mean, look, the vast majority of the sites for extol to have been up in, up and running for some time. Obviously in the early parts of a clinical trial, if we look back in a couple of years ago as the study was getting up and running. Those sites come online at at different rates for a whole bunch of different reasons. Some of it's jurisdictional based, and some of it's just the individual site as we work through contracting and site visits.

There's a couple of sites that come in late, and the only reason there is because for whatever reason maybe they now have the resources ready to participate in a clinical trial, or there was something else that prevented them from starting earlier, but I think it's a very small number, so I wouldn't. I wouldn't focus too much on that. I think what we should all be focused on is that we're getting close to the end here. Chris, any, anything to add?

I think you covered it. Thanks for the question, Tess. You, I guess the one piece that you asked about was the screen failure rate. So Ian already provided you with a number of metrics that we follow in the Phase 3 program to ensure that the quality and the conduct of X-TOLE2 is heading in the direction that we want, and screen failure rate is one of them. And so we haven't seen, I think, as the inclusion exclusion criteria are really quite similar between the two studies and in fact, there's sort of a pretty standard recipe that's used for FOS studies. So it's basically a very similar study to the Phase 2. So we're seeing, so not surprisingly, based upon that, we're seeing screen failure rates that are very similar.

Brian Abrahams, RBC Capital Markets.

Hey, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. Really two for me, I guess. First, do you have any sense as to the reasons behind the slight timeline slippage, for X-TOLE2, are there kind of implications on kind of competitive dynamics there and any learnings, that you can apply to patient finding in the in the commercial setting.

And then secondly on the Mount Sinai study, it seems like in a more mild population, I don't think they had a AMD entry criteria there. There were fairly robust effects as good or even better than what you saw in your study. Any thoughts on how that might impact, I guess, your your Phase 3 plan in terms of your entry criteria or any modifications there or to the powering of your Phase 3s and MDD given what you're seeing coming out of Mount Sinai. Thanks.

Thanks, Brian. Chris, I can take the first one just on the timeline and any competitive dynamics and commercial stuff, and then do you want to address, just any learnings from the IST and any read through into the Phase 3 MDD program? So Brian, on your first question, yeah, look, I, we view this as as a pretty minor delay, we'll get there in the next couple of months and we should see data early next year. I think, as I mentioned on the last question, when we kind of take a big step back we do see some variability just kind of month to month so I don't think we read too much into this, on the competitive side we're not seeing a change there.

We're not seeing you know the competitive dynamics change at the individual site level, given, at least in our experience, most clinical sites, and maybe I should say most investigators focus on one FOS study at a time on the on the therapeutic side. They're generally not running multiple. Sometimes you'd get a handful of different PIs at an institution, different PIs may focus on different things, but for the most part, the experience and feedback we've had from our clinical investigators is they're focused on kind of one study at a time.

And given that, we've been in this Phase 3 program, longer than than our competitors have in terms of their clinical programs right now, I don't think that's having any impact.

I will just comment a little bit on the commercial setting because I think that's a really, that's an important question, when we look at clinical development and the inclusion exclusion criteria. Including the baseline, seizure burden that's necessary to do the statistical analysis and the powering in a clinical study, that's a very different population than what we think about in the commercial setting. And, all of the work we've done commercially from primary market research to feedback from physicians at AES and all of the medical congresses.

Is there's still this 30% to 50% of patients that are not getting good seizure control and are really looking for new therapies. And as we said a number of times, if we look at the profile and the attributes of Azetukalner, we get this really warm reception and excitement about Azetukalner coming to market. It'll be the first time we have a novel mechanism in quite some time. If we look at the placebo adjusted efficacy from X-TOLE, we look at the long term open label data, the no titration, the easy to use attributes, and potentially the benefit on mood, as well as that we see early onset.

And that's kind of a package that I think we haven't really seen in in the treatment of epilepsy and so. I think the commercial excitement continues to be there, and I would actually say the profile of his Azetukalner coming off of AES in Los Angeles a few months ago, AAN and all of our outreach is the profile of the molecule just continues to grow in the medical community.

But Chris, I'll let you handle the second one in terms of the IST.

Yeah, sure. Thanks, Ian. So, and thanks, Brian, for the question. I'm just going to say kind of one make one overarching comment and then I'll answer your question directly. I'm just, I mean, I'd like to kind of zoom out for a second and just acknowledge that, in depression, having one study after the other be positive for any drug is challenging. And what we're sitting on now is the second study. And major depressive disorder using Azetukalner that suggests that this drug may have activity on depression and anhedonia.

That's our X-NOVA James Murro's study that the investigator initiated trial, but then don't forget that there were, there actually, there was another controlled trial. With the zogaine that showed similar results and there was an open label as well. So you actually have 4 studies that are suggesting, two different drugs with the same mechanism of action showing that this mechanism shows promise. So you just on a high level, it's really, I think it's it's just reassuring. I mean, we don't know how the Phase 3 program is going to pan out, but it's reassuring.

To be more specific about your question, they use different criteria to get patients into their study. They, the major enrichment criteria that Doctor Murro and Doctor Matthews used was the clinical global impression of change rather than the handy or any other depression scale. And I should just say this, I mean, Ian and Sherry have been very consistent all along. This study is not ga. We weren't waiting for this data to change anything.

And so, the punch line is that we have no intention of changing anything in the Phase 3 program, but I would attribute the really robust data more to the fact that it's it's two sites, to investigators that the data is very controlled, and then, things get more complex as you kind of blow out to a Phase 3 program with 40 or so sites. So anyway, I mean, it's pretty impressive. We got a separation of active and placebo 4 points at week 6. The Phase 3 program is powered at 2 to 2.5 points. So I think we're in pretty good shape.

And again, thanks for the question, Brian.

Brian Skorney, Baird.

Hey, good afternoon, guys.

Thank you for taking the question. I guess also to follow up on the IST studies as well, maybe you could just kind of walk through the details around the FMRI, primary endpoint, what the neuroimaging expectations were here originally, what the thought process on making that the primary was, and, what we've seen versus other active MDD drugs that are approved on some neuroimaging end points.

Thanks, Brian. Chris, do you want to address the FMRI question?

Yeah, sure, happy to, Ian. Thanks. Thanks for the question. I mean, this, is the, this, these were two academicians, Dr. Murro and Dr. Matthew, who were following up on a study that they had done where the primary endpoint was FMRI with a zogay, and that study had 46 patients, so less than 30 per arm. And yet the results for FMRI were somewhat promising. They were non-significant. In that Azogin trial, but they did appear to be, promising.

And so what they did is they powered a study larger than that, 46 up to 60 and powered the study for FMRI to see if there was a difference, and there wasn't. So I would, I would position this as, I mean, all along we've been really interested in what the clinical scale showed, but, in defense of the approach, it really does ask a very interesting mechanistic question about how is it that this mechanism actually improves depression and there was a hypothesis behind it about the reward circuit, which I'll spare all of you, the details of, but ultimately, as a clinician and as a company, we were really interested in the clinical skills and they showed consistency improvements in, separation between active and placebo for MADRS and SHAPS on the order of what we saw with X-NOVA. So overall, yes, the primary endpoint of FMRI was negative and so I don't don't want to dodge that. But, the clinical scale showing evidence of efficacy, similar to what we're planning on doing in Phase 3 is, I think, a pretty good outcome for us.

Marc Goodman, Leerink Partners.

Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. This is Asma onto Mark. We have a question about the Nav1.1 and syndrome, given the competitive landscape and the multiple ongoing trials and Dravet syndrome, first, we would like to know how would you like to -- what's your plan to assess the efficacy of this asset? And also, since this is the precise approach, are you going to plan to assess behavior and cognition in your trial as well?

Yeah, thank you for the question. Yeah, as you've seen in our prepared remarks and for those that had the opportunity to attend the American Epilepsy Society meeting last December, I think we're generating some really compelling preclinical data and it really gets to the heart of your question both on seizure reduction but the potential for disease modification as well. So yeah, we would agree that there are a number of drugs that are used and have been developed.

To treat Dravet syndrome, but there's been very few that have gotten, really gotten to the underlying genetic cause of the disease. And so we think to our knowledge we're the only company that's developing an oral small molecule that can potentiate the channel that can have an impact not only in these genetic animals, these animals that actually have a 50% loss of function of Nav1.1, which is the human, it really is the human disease, is that we can protect these animals from seizures, spontaneous seizures from sap, and then we can have this impact on long term potentiation.

So that's the real potential here. So it is a little bit early to kind of map out the entire development plan for Nav1.1. But given our approach, we would want to look at in clinical development both seizure reduction as well as some of those end points that you're referring to in terms of disease modification, and we really think that a lot of these pediatric and genetically defined epilepsy, that's where the field needs to go. We need to continue to provide better drugs for these patients both in terms of seizure reduction, but importantly disease modification and that's really what we hope to address with the Nav1.1 program.

Myles Minter, William Blair.

Hey everyone, thanks for taking the question. Just on, the powering, I think you've said it's, for X-TOLE to 99% powered at 25 mg dose, 90% at 15 Ms, for that 360 patient target enrollment. And we did some work. I think if you look at Phase 2, going to Phase 3, the placebo doesn't really change in FOS studies, but the drug effect comes down, and I think it was about a 7% on -- On that medium, seizure frequency. So just wondering, given your comments that you powered this study based on what you saw in exile, which was better than we expected, do you assume some sort of effect size erosion going in a Phase 3? And if you do, are you going to take this as an opportunity to maybe increase enrollment beyond that 360 patient number? Just wondering how you think about that.

Great, thanks, miles. Chris, can I pass this one to you in terms of the modeling for the primary endpoint in the X-TOLE program?

Yeah, I actually, happy to cover this one. So you're correct, Myles, the study is powered at greater than 99% for the 25 mg. It's actually powered higher than 90% on the 15 mg arm. So, and then it's powered for multiple key secondary endpoints as well as we're interested in week one endpoints and patient global impression of change and so forth, trying to get them into the label.

So we think that we're covered from a powering perspective. I do hear what you're saying that conventionally, these studies can be over-enrolled, at times, but, I would say that the study is powered appropriately right now and that we're in general there's a fairly good consistency transitioning from Phase 2 to Phase 3 in epilepsy. And the Phase 2 data was robust and so I think we're in good shape from a from a powering standpoint and enrollment perspective.

Do you want to add to that?

I know, Chris, you covered it. Thank you.

Laura Chico, Wedbush.

Hi, thanks very much for taking the question. This is Dylan on for Laura Chico. So just to clarify, how long do you envision X-TOLE3 enrollment taking relative to X-TOLE2? We're just trying to understand the separation of the readout timing.

Thanks, Dylan. Yeah, we haven't given for the other two epilepsy studies or the depression program, we haven't given specific guidance to topline data. So if we go back and just remind everyone when we transition from Phase 2 [BRXTO] study into Phase 3, we focused on X-TOLE2, and that was based on that being on the critical path to filing the NDA and the regulatory interaction that. We had at that time and so X-TOLE2 was up and running first, and we also prioritized into X-TOLE2 the majority of sites that we had worked with in X-TOLE both from the individual site level as well as a number of the countries that we prioritized. And so there is a delay to X-TOLE3 because it did get up and running later. We haven't given specific guidance on that, but it will be later than X-TOLE2. I think later this year we'll be in a position to give guidance on X-TOLE3.

Paul Choi, Goldman Sachs.

Hi, this is Daniel on for Paul. We are interested about your, trial design for the BPD. Like, do you try to stratify the BPD type 1 and type 2 to in order to increase the detection for the signal to noise ratio.

Thanks for the question. So, I'll give a high level comment and then Chris, I think you can address specifically bipolar 1 and bipolar 2 in terms of the patient population that we're including in the Phase 3 program. But we'll provide when this, when the bipolar registration program gets up and running in the next couple of months, we said mid-year, the first Phase 3 will be up and running. We'll give more detailed information on the Phase 3 design. So stand by for kind of the more granular detail on the endpoints and powering assumptions and sample size, but we can address your specific question on bipolar 1 and bipolar 2 and including both of those in the Phase 3 program, Chris.

Yeah, sure. So thanks for the question. So the bipolar, there'll be two studies in bipolar depression. There'll be a mixture, both studies will be a mixture of type 1 and type 2, as based upon the question that you're asking. So you were specifically asking about stratification. So we as I said in my prepared remarks, we intend to share a lot more information about those studies in the near future. I just suffice it to say that, if you have a primary endpoint and you think that it can be affected by something in the study like a mixture of patients, and stratification is a pretty good question to be thinking of.

And I think, on a theoretical level, there's a reason to think that there could be a little bit of a difference in the response between type 1 and type 2, and there's probably going to be, not a 50/50 mixture of 1 and 2. It will be lopsided and so I think I think you're making, a good point about stratification, something that we're definitely seriously considering and we're going to share all that soon.

Andrew Tsai, Jefferies.

Hey, thanks for the updates. My best wishes to share. I believe that's your last earnings call at Xenon. For X-TOLE2, is the general guidance still to revise the data timing guidance to a specific time point over time, such as a specific month or by chance could you plan to press release or announce when you do in fact complete enrollment?

And then secondly, we know back in the X-TOLE there was a stronger efficacy differential for patients who are on fewer AEDs at baseline. Any color on the enrolled, Phase 3 X-TOLE2 and 3 base, patient type in terms of the number of prior and concomitant AEDs there on that baseline.

Thanks Andrew. Yeah, I can address those. So yeah, as we do with all of our clinical studies, as we get closer to the end, you can expect us narrowing and refining that guidance just so everyone has a really good idea of when the top line data are going to be available. Generally we've just updated enrollment in our quarters, but, as we get closer to top line data, we'll definitely be refining there.

In terms of the patient baseline, kind of the demographics is your question on on fewer AEDs, and I would even broaden out it's more than just fewer AEDs, but I think that's a good one to track and obviously we track all of that, I think what we're, I'm not going to give you a specific number right now because the study, is still ongoing and so those things can change, but we are getting close to the end of the study and so. As you heard in our prepared remarks and in some of the Q&A already, is that we're seeing kind of consistency with the X-TOLE study. So I think the way that you can interpret those comments is that we believe that the patient population overall in Phase 3 will be consistent with the Phase 2 population.

Joseph Thorne, TD Cowen.

Hi there. Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. Maybe the first one on the inclusion of the bipolar 1 patients. Maybe if you could just give us a little bit more detail as to why you decided to include both bipolar 1 and bipolar 2 patients in the study, especially given the biohaven data that came out earlier this year.

And then maybe just a second question on the sini Phase 2, obviously it's small, but I think in that study, the patients were taking two pills of 10 mg, I guess assuming. And then obviously your Phase 2, it was 20 mg once a day. Do you think there's anything in sort of that two tablets versus one tablet that could have led to the the greater results here? And are you thinking about changing anything relative to that? Obviously, no, it's a small study, but thank you.

Thanks, Joe. Chris, do you want to just comment on BP 1 and 2 and just make sure that we're clear that obviously we're not, it's not. A manic patients that were, or patients with mania that were enrolling, so maybe you can just go through a few details there and and also just the clarification on the dosing from the IST.

Yeah, sure. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, what I just said is critically important. So you're talking about, the same patients between the biohan study and ours in the sense that they have bipolar, but they're very different, because of all, those are type 1 by definition because they have these manic episodes. But we're interested in the portion of the disease where these patients are struggling with most of the time, which is depression.

So the underlying pathophysiology of the depression is thought to be pretty similar between type 1 and type 2. And we sought out, advice from multiple key opinion leaders who spend time in this area of research and got a pretty consistent message that it was worth studying both. So we think that the chance of success is good while those patients are, in a depressive state. And yeah, I mean the fact that, the mania study was negative from biohan. I mean, there's been a very limited release of information, so I think it's hard to kind of know what to glean from that.

I mean, one thing that's reassuring is, assuming that placebo and drug behave similarly, it tells us that, the mechanism doesn't exacerbate mania, which I think is somewhat reassuring as we go forward into bipolar depression. But, I think if you take a look at the totality of the data that exists there's a much stronger argument to go forward into bipolar depression, and mania, and I think I actually said the same thing in the last call, which was before those data came out.

So yeah, just on the number, yeah.

Yeah, the quick answer is, don't think that that should make any difference whether they're taking 2/10s or 120, same formulation. The drug has, a long, elimination half-life and so it probably makes very little difference whether the drug is being taken, once or twice and whether you're taking it as 210 tablets or 120. So I don't think that explains any of the differences. I think, look, I mean, again, zoom out.

Like there's a consistency of separation between drug and placebo on the SHAPS and the MADRS and two controlled studies with the Azetukalner and with supporting data from Zoga and you're talking about small studies, right? Zog being 46 patients our study had about 55 patients per arm, and then this study, the investigator initiated trial was about 30 patients per arm. So there's small studies and I think you're going to end up with, variability, and I wouldn't, I would be cautious to kind of overinterpret a point here or a point there.

But Chris, just to, I just want to be clear, I know they were taking 2/10 mg, but it was QD dosing in the I, yeah, in the IST. So Joe, just to be clear, that was just based on on drug supply that was available, but it was, 2/10s versus 20, but it was QD, not BID, and so we wouldn't have expected any differences in any of the results based on a change in dose.

Jason Gerberry, Bank of America.

Hey, good evening. This is Gina on for Jason. Thank you guys for taking our question. First one, apologies if a similar question might have already been asked, but, can you just remind us for X-TOLE2 where seizure freedom measure kind of fits into the statistical hierarchy and if you have any assumptions for how seizure freedom rates will kind of shake out. Relative to the, of course that high single digit percentage that we saw in X-TOLE, and then for XEN1120, just how are you guys thinking about lead indication selection and you can maybe speak to what you're hoping to see from the drugs pharmacology profile and in Phase 1 testing.

Thanks, Gina. I'll do Chris, why don't I do the XEN1120 question first and then maybe I can start on the seizure freedom question and then please provide your perspective as well. So on XEN1120, so yeah, really great progress. I'm overall incredibly pleased with the progress that we've been making on our discovery portfolio. I mean, if you just think about it, we're in the last couple of months, Nuroren filed the CTA for 355, which is a molecule that we synthesized. That's this Nav1.6, 1.2 inhibitor.

We have filed a CTA or in first in human for 11 -- XEN1120, and in the next couple of months we'll be in the clinic with a Nav1.7. We finished the GLP in life for that. So 3 INDs in a pretty short period of time for. For the early stage portfolio, so I think it's really exciting times. The first in human for XEN1120 to answer your specific question will be a traditional healthy volunteer study.

Where we're going to want to see a number of things we're going to look at obviously the pharmacokinetic profile as well as the adverse event profile at a variety of different dose levels. And then as we think about future development, what we said in our prepared remarks is we'd like to take this molecule into a proof of concept study in pain. We think there's good, clinical, validation and rationale to go into pain, and I think that would really broaden out the applicability for the mechanism and so that's the current plans for XEN1120.

On your question on on the epilepsy program in terms of seizure freedom, when we think about seizure freedom, it's I'll just make kind of some global comments because I think it's important to set context and then Chris can get into his perspective and some of the details is, I wouldn't say there's a standard definition for seizure freedom, but generally, when we talk to clinicians, they really think about The patients over a one year period. So have they had any seizures over one year?

So obviously, that's something that's not tested in the double blind portion of a clinical study because the double blind portion, is 8 weeks or 12 weeks depending on the study. And so you really are following those patients in open label extension and seeing how they're doing over a longer period of time. And that's what's really important.

As we look at that kind of 100% reduction in seizure burden, and that's why the open label data, that we continue to generate and we continue to present in medical congresses as a reminder, we started with a one year open label ex. Study for X-TOLE we extended it to 3 and then 5, and now it's a 7 year study. So we have patients that have been on on his calendar for many years, and we can look at those seizure freedom rates, which we've published, which we think are really impressive over time.

But Chris, maybe just talk about, that 100% of seizure reduction in the double blind period.

Yeah, sure. I mean, I think that, it's worth emphasizing that the epileptologists, when they think of seizure freedom, they're looking over a really long time horizon, not, 8 weeks or 12 weeks. Specifically, the question was about whether, seizure freedoms in the statistical hierarchy. It isn't. We're interested in the rapidity, the onset that we saw in X-TOLE and so the week one time point. It is in the statistical hierarchy, but not seizure freedom and where we're really focusing on the seizure freedom is the the data that we're seeing over several years in the X-TOLE and then obviously, eventually in the Phase 3 open label as well.

Thanks for the question.

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