永利渡假村 (WYNN) 2018 Q1 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the Wynn Resorts First Quarter 2018 Earnings Call.

  • (Operator Instructions) This call is being recorded.

  • If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time.

  • I will now turn the call over to Mr. Craig Billings, Chief Financial Officer.

  • Sir, you may begin.

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone.

  • On the call today with me in Las Vegas are Matt Maddox, Kim Sinatra, Maurice Wooden.

  • Also on the line are Ian Coughlan, Linda Chen, Ciaran Carruthers, Frederic Luvisutto and Bob DeSalvio.

  • I want to remind you that we may make forward-looking statements under safe harbor federal securities laws, and those statements may or may not come true.

  • I will now turn the call over Matt Maddox.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today.

  • Well, it's definitely been an eventful 3 months since we last reported quarterly earnings.

  • So I'd like to start the call by reminding everyone of who we are.

  • We are the leading operator of luxury five-star integrated resorts, catering to the most discerning customers in the world.

  • We are the designers and developers of buildings and amenities that are global international tourist destinations.

  • We're 25,000 professionals, dealers, architects, florists, housekeepers, performers, chefs, designers and thousands and thousands of others that deliver our brand promise to over 20 million customers globally every single year.

  • Together, we are Wynn.

  • Over the past 3 months, those 25,000 people have done what they do best, being in the moment with our customers, paying attention to every detail and delivering the best experience available in the markets where we operate.

  • And the score card's in; record results.

  • Their efforts show immediately right now in what you see.

  • Meanwhile, executive management has not only been focused on maintaining and enhancing the operations of the business and stabilizing the culture, but in reducing the noise surrounding our business.

  • As CEO, I'm not interested in looking in the rearview mirror, it's a guaranteed wreck on the way.

  • I'm only focused on the future.

  • In order to focus on the future, we had to make meaningful progress over the last 60 days, so that on each and every one of these calls, we're talking about our business and we're talking about our people and we're talking about our growth.

  • Just to remind you of a few things that we've done over the last 60 days.

  • Steve Wynn's no longer a shareholder in his business -- in this business.

  • In fact, 2/3 of his stock, or 8 million shares, the company personally placed with 2 long term, institutional thoughtful shareholders, and we're proud to have their support.

  • Galaxy Entertainment, a company that we greatly admire, purchased 920-plus million dollars of Wynn's stock, right under 5% of Wynn Resorts, Limited.

  • And we look forward to working with them in the future.

  • We increased our quarterly dividend by 50%.

  • And we're no longer mired in litigation.

  • 6 years of litigation with Universal Entertainment, billions of dollars at risk.

  • And we were able to solve that by repurchasing the redeemed shares.

  • Effectively, there were 24.5 million shares, at $78 a share.

  • We didn't finance it at 2%, we financed it at 6%.

  • That was the deal we made.

  • It was a great deal for our shareholders and for our company.

  • It was a great deal for Universal.

  • And it's no longer a financial overhang and a significant drag on management time and a distraction.

  • And we wish Universal well in the future.

  • We also resolved all outstanding litigation with Elaine Wynn.

  • 6 years' worth.

  • With no payment by the company.

  • In addition, I'm particularly proud of our board.

  • They began a serious search to refresh and expand our Board of Directors 60 days ago.

  • Started with over 50 candidates using an executive search firm, plus their networks and their connections.

  • I personally interviewed over 10 different candidates.

  • Personally interviewed 10 candidates.

  • And I'm really proud of the nominating committee and our Board of Directors for the 3 people that they chose.

  • 3 new female board members that are going to bring significant skill and experience to our board and to our company as it relates to corporate governance.

  • Strategic communication, hospitality, technology.

  • And what's exciting about these new board members, on top of the great assets that they're going to bring to the boardroom, is that our company is now in the top 40 of the S&P 500 in terms of female representation on public company boards.

  • We've also continued to implement significant initiatives internally to bolster our company's culture and to make sure that it remains strong and keeps growing.

  • I am committed to lead our company and in this industry in diversity and gender equality.

  • And what's great about our company is our base is already so strong.

  • For every job opening at Wynn Las Vegas, we get 110 applications.

  • 110 applications.

  • And that is actually increasing right now.

  • Our turnover rate is less than half of the industry standard because this is the best place to work, and we are going to continue to invest in our people.

  • They are not an expense, they are the asset of the company.

  • And we are really excited about the future.

  • As I mentioned in our March pre-announcement, we're intensely focused on capital allocation to enhance shareholder value.

  • That includes that all future development opportunities in Las Vegas, in Macau and in a region that I'm very excited about, Japan, which we're going to be spending more time and more resources there in the future.

  • Let me give you a concrete example of this approach.

  • Over the last 30 days, we launched a review of our $360 million convention facility to ensure what we were building was exactly right.

  • We were able to identify $35 million of savings by simply consolidating some back-of-house space while only reducing the rentable square footage by less than 5%.

  • The changes actually enhance the customer experience, do not impact the timing, which is scheduled to open in March of 2020; and enhances the EBITDA potential of the project.

  • That type of discipline and focus is something that we are going to bring to everything we do in this company.

  • In addition, I've begun closely working with our global design and development team, which has over 100 employees -- 150 employees and is the best in our industry.

  • Because I want to take a fresh look at the lagoon project -- the lagoon component of our project on the golf course in Las Vegas.

  • I've challenged the team.

  • I don't want to focus on the mass market theme park, which is really where we were going before, on trying to attract more the mass market into the lagoon, and really focus on the luxury customer and what it is that our hotel guest wants.

  • And so the lagoon is going to be an amenity for our hotel guest because we are going to reinvent daytime activity for the guest in Las Vegas and continue to make Wynn Las Vegas the best place to stay on the Las Vegas Strip.

  • Lastly, in Las Vegas, we're carefully considering our approach to the development of the lagoon.

  • We're really fortunate to have a large assembly of prime Las Vegas land, and the importance of appropriately sequencing that development cannot be overstated.

  • We look forward to providing more details on these developments in the very near future.

  • Moving to Macau.

  • I have reprioritized and accelerated investment opportunities in Macau.

  • In 2018, we will begin a $100 million investment program at the Peninsula in downtown Wynn Macau.

  • This will include reinvigorating our original casino, we call it the West Casino.

  • Building 2 new restaurants there, taking out a lot of the exterior junket space that's not productive, and making that a vibrant atmosphere.

  • We think the returns to our shareholders will be quite impressive when we're finished with that.

  • We're also going to remodel our Encore rooms.

  • Some of the most popular rooms in all of Macau are going to begin that remodel this year.

  • Moving to Wynn Palace.

  • We opened Red 8 in February to great success.

  • The team is currently working on 2 new restaurant concepts that we plan on beginning construction on this year that will continue to add to the non-gaming amenities at Wynn Palace.

  • In addition, we are conceptualizing what we should be doing with the 11 acres of additional land at Wynn Palace.

  • We're working through what will be best for our company, for our shareholders, and also to achieve the government's vision of increasing non-gaming amenities in Macau.

  • Turning quickly to some of the quarter results.

  • We saw strength across the portfolio.

  • At Wynn Palace, we continued to aggressively take share in the mass market.

  • And it wasn't only in the premium end.

  • In fact, our premium mass was up over twice what it was at this time last year.

  • But the main floor mass market was over -- was up over 70% from last year, so we're seeing strength across the board in the mass market at Wynn Palace.

  • In fact, our mass gaming revenues, including slots, were almost 48% of our gross gaming revenue, and that's compared to just 39% in the fourth quarter of 2017.

  • Our VIP volumes remain strong, up 39%.

  • So everything's working there.

  • Wynn Macau continued to maintain its share during the quarter, VIP volumes were up 29% over the year, and mass was up over 20%.

  • I really want to commend Ian, Linda, Ciaran and Frederic and the 13,000 Macau-based colleagues for delivering so strongly over the past several quarters and their intense focus on the future.

  • In Las Vegas, the property experienced a record first quarter EBITDA.

  • In fact, overall room revenues for the first quarter were a quarterly record for Wynn Las Vegas.

  • And I think what's important is we've seen no degradation of business.

  • In fact, what we're seeing is stronger bookings for 2018 and into 2019 if you look at the same time last year.

  • So what we're feeling and seeing in Las Vegas is continued strength.

  • I am as excited as ever about the future prospects of this company.

  • We have the best assets in the industry, and we will continue to execute on our service and product-led strategy in all of our markets over the coming years.

  • Before we turn it over to Q&A, I'd like for Craig Billings to take everyone through some of the specifics in the press release.

  • Craig?

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • Thank you, Matt.

  • I'll quickly run through some additional points on the quarter.

  • I'd like to start by reminding everyone that like our peers, we adopted new revenue recognition accounting guidance in the quarter that impacts the current and historical periods revenue and expense classifications, but does not impact our EBITDA.

  • While there are a number of reporting changes stemming from the adoption of this guidance, there are 2 key changes I would like to note.

  • First is the elimination of promotional allowances in determining that revenues with comps now directly reducing the revenues of the departments using those comps.

  • And the second is the full deduction of 100% of junket commissions from gaming revenues in Macau.

  • We'll spend some time with the analyst community after this call to help further break down these changes and to distill an apples-to-apples view of EBITDA margins and certain other key metrics impacted by this guidance.

  • As Matt mentioned, Macau was particularly strong this quarter, delivering $421.7 million of EBITDA on $1.3 billion of net revenues.

  • Continued ramping of Palace and improved mass revenues drove operating leverage leading to a record EBITDA margin at Palace, something we are particularly proud of.

  • These results were not materially impacted by hold, but the direct program holding higher than junkets.

  • Bad debt in Macau was $300,000 in the quarter compared to a $4.6 million credit in the prior year.

  • Las Vegas delivered $142.6 million of EBITDA in the quarter on net revenues of $431.5 million driven by strength across the property.

  • Table games hold percentage was on the high-end of our expected range in both the current and prior year periods, driving a little over $10 million of incremental EBITDA in Q1 '18.

  • Bad debt in Las Vegas was $400,000, comparable to the prior year quarter.

  • In Boston, we incurred $241.7 million in total project costs during the quarter, taking the total spend to date to $1.38 billion.

  • We remain on time and consistent with the last published budget.

  • We ended the quarter with total debt of $9.36 billion and total cash and investments of $2.2 billion, including $1.6 billion at Wynn Macau.

  • Those debt and cash balances reflect the payment of the $2.4 billion Universal note and settlement.

  • However, it's important to note that several financing transactions were in motion on March 31.

  • Our $800 million bridge facility, used to partially pay the Universal note and settlement, was outstanding at quarter end.

  • Also at March 31, the sale of 927.5 million of stock to Galaxy Entertainment had been arranged but had not yet closed.

  • When that equity transaction closed on April 3, $800 million of the proceeds were used to repay the previously mentioned bridge loan.

  • With that, we will now move to Q&A.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America.

  • Shaun Clisby Kelley - MD

  • Matt, thanks for the run-through on sort of the overview on the strategy.

  • I think it's really helpful for everybody.

  • Maybe wondering if you could talk about, since there's been a lot of press speculation on it, would be Massachusetts.

  • Specifically, I mean, clearly, we got an update on where you stand with the budget, but there has been a lot spiraling around there.

  • So could you just give us any of your latest thinking about potential outcomes and strategy as it relates to that project specifically?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • When we entered that market, it was actually 5 years ago, we were excited about the prospects of that market, the location, and the ability to generate some growth for the company.

  • And 5 years later to today, we still like the Greater Boston area market.

  • We think it is a really good opportunity.

  • However, we're a $30 billion company.

  • And if there was ever any risk due to heightened rhetoric that there could be any contagion from Massachusetts into our $30 billion company in Las Vegas and Macau, we will have to take a hard look at what is best to protect our shareholders and our value.

  • So again, we love the market.

  • We are going to continue to actively cooperate with the regulators there and move forward.

  • But at the same time, we will always be protecting our shareholders and our employees.

  • Shaun Clisby Kelley - MD

  • And Matt, there's been some discussion on like timeline pointing towards maybe not an open-ended investigation, but something that could maybe wrap up a little sooner, possibly as early as early part of the summer.

  • Is that consistent with what your understanding is?

  • Or could you give people an update on just what your thoughts are and maybe having a more concrete outcome there.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • I think that our understanding is consistent with yours that it's in the summer.

  • I wouldn't want to speculate early or mid.

  • But we are actively cooperating with the regulators and it feels like the process is moving forward quite smoothly.

  • Operator

  • Next, we have Carlo Santarelli from Deutsche Bank.

  • Carlo Santarelli - Research Analyst

  • Yes.

  • Matt, you referenced in your remarks earlier the taking out of the promissory note, the 2% note with 6%.

  • I'm assuming that 6% refers to the cost of equity with Galaxy.

  • And if so, what was the decision behind going with an equity investment there?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • So those 2 things are totally separate.

  • What we agreed to with Universal was that from the time that note was outstanding, the $1.936 billion, that instead of it being at a 2% interest rate, it would be at a 6% interest rate.

  • And when you recalculate it over the 5-year period, that's why the number was $2.4 billion instead of $1.9 billion.

  • So the extra $400-plus million was incremental interest expense related to that.

  • Carlo Santarelli - Research Analyst

  • Right.

  • Sorry, that's correct.

  • I remember that now.

  • But just in terms of the Galaxy and the decision to use equity in that transaction as opposed to potentially a lower after tax cost of debt.

  • Could you talk a little bit about the thought process there?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • So what I'm focused on is having long-term strategic partners as owners of this company.

  • The 2 investors that bought 8 million shares from Steve Wynn fit into that category, and so does Galaxy.

  • I've been a long admirer of Francis Lui and what he's done, and they are long-term investors.

  • And so having long-term stable capital in the equity, I think, is a very good move for this company and for all the shareholders.

  • Also Carlo, I'm not a big fan of lots of parent company debt, which is where that $1.9 billion existed.

  • It was the only debt at the parent.

  • So equitizing the parent, getting rid of the $2 billion of debt at the parent, really enhances our flexibility to do more in the future.

  • Carlo Santarelli - Research Analyst

  • Great.

  • And then Craig, if you don't mind, I thought you mentioned that the Las Vegas hold impact was a $10 million benefit.

  • Did -- if I missed it, I apologize.

  • But did you quantify the lower than theoretical VIP hold in Macau?

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • What I mentioned is that it really didn't have a material impact in Macau because we held high in direct and low in junkets.

  • So really, the only impact was in Vegas.

  • Operator

  • Next, we have Felicia Hendrix from Barclays.

  • Felicia Rae Kantor Hendrix - MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Matt, really appreciate the overview and the review of the company's accomplishments over the quarter.

  • I thought that was very helpful.

  • But just to step back, big picture, since this is the first time you're addressing the investment community in this forum.

  • I was just wondering if you could walk us through your vision, both in the near term and the longer term, and if you could frame your response in regards to governments, organic growth, CapEx and capital return, that would be helpful.

  • I mean, obviously, your prepared remarks touched upon it a bit, but just looking forward, how do you see the company evolving over time?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • So the company's current asset base is the best in the business, I believe.

  • And our growth profile is quite strong.

  • And so what we're doing is we're reprioritizing where we want to spend our capital based on where we think we can get more immediate growth.

  • So I have reprioritized spending money in Macau, and looking at those projects and what's going to attract new customers and keep our customers at those properties longer.

  • In Las Vegas, our previous project, it actually -- the budget was over $3 billion.

  • That was not sustainable.

  • And so we are taking a hard look at what is sustainable here and what's going to keep attracting our customer.

  • So we're moving forward with the lagoon, and we're going -- and I'm a big believer in the future of Las Vegas.

  • And so what we're going to be coming back to the investment community with later this year is where our next development opportunity will be.

  • Will it be on the lagoon?

  • Will it be on the Las Vegas Strip with the property we purchased in January?

  • Those are things that we are studying now and will spend a lot of time on.

  • In terms of future development, we -- I'm going to be spending more time and we're really enhancing our team to focus on the Japan opportunity.

  • It's something that I think is getting time, is getting ripe for additional investment and we are really focused on that.

  • We think we have a great story there.

  • We're already talking to potential consortium partners.

  • We're focusing on locations.

  • I've dedicated a couple of people there that are full-time, that are developers and understand how to work with the governments in terms of what it is that they want to accomplish.

  • So the vision is we are going to keep developing.

  • We are going to be at the top of the market.

  • We're going to use our 150 people in our design and development team to execute properties at the highest standards that are going to drive shareholder returns.

  • Felicia Rae Kantor Hendrix - MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • Right.

  • And then -- and I assume that the dividend increase is the beginning of kind of a long-term view on capital -- on return to capital -- of capital to shareholders?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • It is.

  • We will consistently review, invest in the ground, pay down debt, buy back stock, increase dividends.

  • Those are something that Craig and his team are going to be reviewing on an ongoing basis and what is going to drive more value.

  • The 50% increase in the dividend is something that was easily sustainable by our business, and we -- our board and management team will continuously be reviewing that.

  • Felicia Rae Kantor Hendrix - MD and Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • That's helpful.

  • And then just switching gears to Ian, and I think you said Linda was on the call as well.

  • I know the question of concessions, the concession renewals in Macau came up last quarter, and I thought Steve actually gave a pretty thorough and helpful perspective on that.

  • But investors continue to ask and be concerned about this upcoming event.

  • So I was just wondering if either one of you or both of you could share your thoughts on what you think the requirements for renewal could be.

  • Most investors think there might be some kind of payment required, some have even brought up the chances of having to bring in partners.

  • So I know there's a dozen different scenarios right now we could discuss, and it's all unknown.

  • But given that you're both kind of there in the heart of it, I just thought I'd pick your brains on this.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Ian, why don't you go ahead and take that?

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • Sure.

  • Thank you, Matt.

  • So we are completely committed to the future of Macau.

  • We continue to reinvest in the properties.

  • Our relationship with government as an industry has always been very collegiate and very engaged.

  • We've, as an industry, created great success for Macau.

  • We've been good citizens.

  • We take great care of our employees.

  • We've got a lot of stability to the economy here, and we have every indication that the process will take place at some stage this year.

  • And we have a future in Macau as an industry, all of the current players.

  • So we're waiting to be given specific detail and there has been a lot of discussion about the need for the marketplace to have more of a non-gaming focus to provide some balance with casino revenues.

  • We're very committed to that.

  • Matt's addressed that in his opening remarks.

  • Like our other concession partners in town, we continue to focus on the future of Macau, reinvest and develop for the future.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is from Joe Greff with JPMorgan.

  • Joseph Richard Greff - MD

  • A couple of quick questions here.

  • One, with respect to Wynn Palace, to what extent were your -- the mass market share gains that you referenced earlier in the call, to what extent were they more second half of the 1Q related due to MGM Cotai's construction project turning into an open property?

  • And just in general, can you just talk about any, I would presume, positive walk-in traffic implications from MGM Cotai?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • I'll take that first, Joe, and then I'll turn it over to Ian.

  • But I think what we're seeing there is we're seeing an increase in the quality of our customers.

  • So we haven't seen a big uptick in foot traffic coming into the buildings, but if you look at the -- what it takes now at Wynn Palace, from an average daily theoretical basis to get a room comp, that is going up quite significantly, which is really a telltale sign of the quality of the customers.

  • So we're seeing premium mass customers that are staying at MGM, walking over to Wynn Palace to enjoy our facilities.

  • And that's, obviously, has an outsized benefit on the revenue line.

  • Ian or Linda, do you want to add to that?

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • So with -- the stickiness with our customers continues.

  • We continue to ramp-up.

  • We've seen a significant gain in what we call our Chairman's Club and our Diamond Club areas.

  • Premium mass customers are beating their way to Wynn Palace.

  • We are using our rooms much more effectively.

  • If you look at quarter 1 '17, 53% of the inventory of the 1,700 keys went to casino customers.

  • In Q1 of this year, 73% of the rooms went to casino customers.

  • So we clearly have even more room to grow there.

  • We have lifted the type of customers that are staying in the rooms.

  • The feel for the first quarter per room on mass tables is up 47%.

  • And for slots it's up 23%.

  • So we're getting better quality customers in the rooms.

  • We've got the finest room product in the marketplace.

  • So people are getting more familiar with the property.

  • The more holidays that happen, the more visitors that are in town.

  • The property's gaining traction.

  • There's still lots of upside.

  • The effect of MGM, MGM will go through the same ramp-up steps that we had to go through.

  • There's no miracles when you open a property.

  • And we have seen increased visitation, as Matt referenced.

  • A small nugget of that is our gondola traffic is up 18% since MGM opened.

  • Visitation to the property is up 7% to 8%.

  • So there are more people on the street.

  • The light-rail has cleaned up significantly.

  • We're waiting for the cross bridge to open between ourselves and City of Dreams.

  • But in general, the neighborhood is tidying up.

  • We've got Morpheus Tower opening up later in the summer, and then the Lisboa Palace has announced that they will open in Q1 2019.

  • So lots of upside for Wynn Macau, very focused on premium mass customers, lots of rooms to take them in.

  • Linda C. Chen - President of Wynn International Marketing, Ltd & President and ED of WYNN Resort - MACAU

  • I think specifically how we've been able to accomplish all the growth in the mass and premium mass is, first, we definitely grew database through the new aggressive sales that we have added to our team and the current existing sales and the strong relationship.

  • And secondly is what we've done is yield up in the rooms, as mentioned before.

  • So every customer that stay in the room are actually playing more than what we used to have when we opened.

  • And then thirdly is increase the frequency of those guests coming back to our property by doing more events.

  • And whether it's concerts or casino marketing events or even food and beverage events, we have leveraged a lot on our facility to expand on the customer base.

  • And then of course, the casino promotions, we've aggressively addressed those to target each market.

  • The Cotai and the downtown market has different clientele and different (inaudible) through the casino events, and we've addressed that specifically to increase that to both our customers.

  • And the hiring of the sales (inaudible) will be added new sales for both downtown and on Cotai.

  • Joseph Richard Greff - MD

  • Great.

  • And then Matt, I have a follow-up on some of your earlier comments on Galaxy's investment in Wynn Resorts.

  • You talked about the strategic benefits of having a long-term holder and the consequence of having a better capital structure, which I think all of us on this call totally get.

  • Could you help us understand in what other ways is the Galaxy investment in Wynn Resorts strategic?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Because both operators, Wynn and Galaxy, focus on quality and on experience.

  • I think that as international jurisdictions open up, we could potentially work together to jointly examine those.

  • We certainly haven't made any agreements to do that, but our operating styles and philosophies are very similar.

  • And it's something that could potentially be of value to both companies in the future.

  • Operator

  • Next we have Harry Curtis from Nomura and Instinet.

  • Harry Croyle Curtis - MD and Senior Analyst

  • The first question in Vegas.

  • Could you give a sense of how full steam are the Genting and Fontainebleau projects, in your opinion?

  • Are they at 100%?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • I would hate to speculate for them.

  • It doesn't look like 100% from a guy that drives by it every day to go to work.

  • But I really think you would have to ask them.

  • There are some cranes up.

  • There are some people there.

  • So it's not empty at Genting.

  • I'm actually not sure at all about Fontainebleau, but it doesn't feel it's ramped up to 100%.

  • Harry Croyle Curtis - MD and Senior Analyst

  • Yes.

  • I guess, the -- well, and the reason I ask is that there are some concerns about capacity growth in 2019 or '20.

  • But from what we're hearing, there seems to be the image and media discussion about these projects really ramping up.

  • And that's not the sense that I'm getting, and that's -- and I'm wondering if collectively in your room, you would agree that they're not really running at full capacity.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • We would definitely agree that additional capacity in 2019 and 2020 would be a long shot.

  • These projects feel to me like they're much further away than that.

  • Harry Croyle Curtis - MD and Senior Analyst

  • Okay.

  • And then turning to Macau.

  • I thought the -- one of the interesting things in the quarter was that Wynn Macau was proposing to repurchase, what, about 10% of its shares.

  • Who would they purchase it from?

  • And is it possible that they purchase it from the parent company?

  • And is there perhaps a long-term strategy to reduce your ownership in Wynn Macau?

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • Harry, it's Craig.

  • So that's really a routine repurchase authorization that we and all other Hong Kong-listed companies seek every few years.

  • It's much more procedural and is not reflective of any intent.

  • Harry Croyle Curtis - MD and Senior Analyst

  • I see.

  • Okay.

  • Well, then let me ask one other question of maybe Ian.

  • Ian, what's your view on -- again, more of an infrastructure timing question.

  • There have been some disagreements about the timing and the impact of the Hong Kong Zhuhai bridge, as well as when the light-rail system really is going to be operational.

  • I wonder if you could give us your view on those.

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • The general sense in Macau was that it will open for traffic at some stage in the summer.

  • The infrastructure, civil engineering, it's all complete.

  • The bridge people have been doing test driving over the bridge.

  • The issue with the support services, getting everything coordinated, simple things like rescue between 3 different parties, getting customs and excise organized, getting the immigration organized, and then dealing with how the traffic enters into the different points of entry.

  • So that's being worked through with 3 different authorities.

  • It's a magnificent structure.

  • I don't think we'll see a huge impact from it initially.

  • It will certainly ease the burden on the ferry terminal activity, which right now is chaotic over particularly on the Hong Kong side.

  • So we look forward to that cleaning up significantly.

  • The travel time from Central Hong Kong to Macau getting through all the border situations will take an extra degree of time.

  • I think the ferry itself will still be considered very convenient for people.

  • But in time, it will bring extra visitors to Macau.

  • The biggest gain from the integrated result perspective would be the closeness of Chek Lap Kok, Hong Kong's airport, and our ability to get our higher end customers from that airport to the city and to our resort.

  • So we're looking forward to that.

  • Harry Croyle Curtis - MD and Senior Analyst

  • And the light-rail?

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • The light-rail, again, is scheduled for 2019.

  • They have been testing the rolling stock.

  • Structural-wise, it's getting very close to completion.

  • The drag on the light-rail was the depot which had some contractual disputes.

  • And the government have done an excellent job in getting that fired back up again very quickly, and I think that they're now gaining extra speed.

  • So we hope to have it open next year.

  • Clearly, it's a huge opportunity for Wynn Palace in particular, with the station right outside our property and it traveling on 2 sides of the property.

  • So again, a great thing for the neighborhood.

  • Operator

  • Next, we have Stephen Grambling from Goldman Sachs.

  • Stephen White Grambling - Equity Analyst

  • I just have a few follow-ups.

  • I guess first on Japan, given some of the rules have seemingly solidified a bit.

  • Can you talk to your latest thoughts on how big of an opportunity that market could be, how you would think about capital allocation there, and what your willingness is to lever up a little bit versus partner with someone such as Galaxy as I think you mentioned earlier?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • So we're big believers in the Japanese market.

  • Everything that Japan stands for in terms of tourism, which is the best hospitality in the world, some of the finest food in the world, architecture that is hands-down some of the best in the world, all of those things, we think, really fit with what we do, which is the luxury experience in integrated resorts.

  • And more and more people from all over the world, and in particular in Asia, are traveling to Japan every year.

  • So we would be -- we're going to be very interested and looking at a large scale opportunity there.

  • We will be working with a consortium of companies.

  • But it's one of the moments that in our industry you do not want to miss.

  • And so, we'll clearly always watch to make sure that the rules and regulations are conducive to good operating environment, but it's one that we're very focused on.

  • Stephen White Grambling - Equity Analyst

  • And I guess a follow-up question for you, Matt.

  • In your prepared remarks, you mentioned stabilizing the culture.

  • Can you clarify that?

  • And as we look to the future, what changes do you want to see and how do you think about creating your own legacy throughout the organization?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • So there's just been an onslaught of negativity from the media.

  • And what that does is that destabilizes people because they read that things are for sale or there are problems.

  • And so I've actually been hosting town halls for all employees, about 15 of them, and I think I've seen almost 15,000 employees so far, talking about the future of the company and how bright it is and how we're not for sale, and what it is that we're doing and how we're focusing on who we are and we're going to keep reinvesting in our people.

  • We immediately implemented some initiatives that had been a long time coming, like paid parental leave.

  • It didn't exist in Las Vegas.

  • It should have.

  • And so there are simple things like that, that we've initiated.

  • We've initiated some leadership development programs for line level staff that want to then make it to supervisor and supervisor to manager.

  • We've rolled that out in a big way because we want to continue to provide opportunities for our people to grow.

  • So really, what we're doing is just reminding everybody that we are Wynn.

  • We're very strong.

  • And the future is better than the past, no matter what the media likes to say.

  • Stephen White Grambling - Equity Analyst

  • That's helpful color.

  • One last one, if I can sneak it in for Craig.

  • On the Vegas strength, can you provide any additional color on what drove the, not only the quarter, but as we look further out, whether it's by, I guess, in the quarter, the types of game or customer base, for example.

  • Is it primarily baccarat or international customers versus leisure, or convention spillover?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Actually, I'd like Maurice Wooden, our property president, to grab that.

  • Maurice L. Wooden - President of Wynn Las Vegas LLC

  • So I mean, yes, just to continue on from first quarter strength to the rest of the year, we have a very, very healthy convention base throughout the rest of this year.

  • And actually, if you look at 2019, we're significantly outpacing 2019 numbers already.

  • As far as the business goes on the casino side, we continue to see great strength on the international front, especially in our Far East and our European markets.

  • We're very stable in our domestic markets.

  • And last year, we had a record slot performance with respect to our slot numbers on the casino floor, and we're pacing very similar to last year's performance.

  • So our business trend here looks very healthy.

  • And our base of business is very healthy from this year forward and into 2019.

  • Stephen White Grambling - Equity Analyst

  • All super helpful.

  • Best of luck this year.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • One other thing I'd like to point out in Las Vegas.

  • If you look at our non-gaming numbers, and it doesn't look like that the other piece outside of hotel is up very much, there's a reason.

  • Our retail revenues were down almost 20%, but that's because of a change in strategy.

  • We've been moving out of operating unprofitable retail stores and moving into experts in retail and leasing that out.

  • So while our revenues in retail were down almost 20%, our operating income in that department was up almost 10% for the quarter.

  • So those are things that wouldn't be transparent in the press release, but moves that we continue to make internally.

  • Operator

  • Next we have Mr. David Katz from Jefferies.

  • David Brian Katz - MD and Senior Equity Analyst of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure

  • I wanted to ask about Macau specifically, and just not the capital allocation strategy.

  • There was a press report, and I'm not asking you to confirm or deny it, but it did suggest a share repurchase effort.

  • If you could talk through your capital allocation priorities, specifically in Macau, because you did indicate in your prepared remarks about some spending on the Peninsula, if you could talk through those, that would be helpful.

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • David, it's Craig.

  • I'll start, and then I'll pass it to Matt.

  • So I mentioned earlier in the Q&A, that share repurchase authorization that we're seeking is purely procedural and is done by most all Hong Kong companies and is not reflective, in any way, of intent.

  • You can actually look at our peers and their filings and see very, very similar proposals.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • So the capital allocation strategy in Macau is to continue to focus on investments in non-gaming amenities that will drive additional customers to Macau, and accelerating the design of those and those investments, because we feel like there's great opportunity there.

  • And we'll continue to always revisit our dividend policy there relative to our free cash flow.

  • David Brian Katz - MD and Senior Equity Analyst of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure

  • Right.

  • And just one more.

  • Given the strength in Las Vegas and your outlook in Las Vegas and the opportunities that you have there, some of which are underway and others that are land across the street.

  • How are you thinking about your domestic presence, and specifically in Nevada, relative to the other opportunities that are out there?

  • How would you sort of qualitatively rank that?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • So we're internally big believers in Las Vegas.

  • I think the future of Las Vegas is very bright.

  • What it is that we build will be consistent with the Wynn brand and with luxury and with the customer that we have been focused on for the last 15 years.

  • So we're moving forward with the lagoon.

  • And we are reevaluating what our next development opportunity should be.

  • But we are moving forward with ideas for a new development opportunity, whether it's on the lagoon or across the street, because over the next number of years, we are believers in Las Vegas.

  • What we've done in Macau is just accelerate a lot of the ideas that we've been working on and begin to try to move that forward in a more expedited basis.

  • And then we're always looking at international developments.

  • So if something comes up like a Japan or pick another place that has great rules and regulations and is a large opportunity, and is potentially better at returns, then the company will have to look at and shift its focus.

  • But for now, we're monitoring all 3 and aggressively pursuing all 3.

  • David Brian Katz - MD and Senior Equity Analyst of Gaming, Lodging & Leisure

  • Right.

  • And if I can just ask one housekeeping question, Craig.

  • Are we going to get at some point sort of 2Q and 3Q, 4Q pro formas under the new format?

  • Is that something that may appear in the Q or in an 8-K, or...

  • Craig Scott Billings - CFO & Treasurer

  • David, we'll talk to you after this call about that.

  • We're going to walk you through the changes and give you a sense for what it does, primarily to EBITDA margins where it has a modest kind of 100 to 200 basis point impact in Macau.

  • Operator

  • Next, we have Robin Farley from UBS.

  • Robin Margaret Farley - MD and Research Analyst

  • Great.

  • Most of my questions have been asked already.

  • Maybe just to clarify, because in your opening remarks, you talked about March 2020 still being the date.

  • So it's -- the only thing going forward right now as planned in Vegas is the convention center.

  • And then you're kind of stepping back from active construction on the lagoon to kind of reevaluate the scope and timing and budget, and that may or may not -- in fact, that could end up falling behind doing something with the former [land] Parcel.

  • Is that the right way to think about what's sort of actively going forward versus just kind of actively being considered?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • No, no, that's not the right way to think about it.

  • So the convention center's underway.

  • We cut $35 million out of that budget and enhanced the customer experience.

  • The lagoon is underway.

  • So that is going to be targeted as an amenity for our 4,700 rooms here at Wynn Las Vegas that will reinvent daytime activity in Las Vegas.

  • I don't say that lightly.

  • We're going to have watercraft and great water sports, beachfront, we're going to have some restaurants and some bars.

  • It's going to be a really fun place to be for our customers.

  • The next multibillion-dollar development of new hotel rooms, new restaurants, the full integrated resort, that is what we are examining right now.

  • Before, that was on the lagoon and being programmed as Phase 1b.

  • That's what we're re-examining to decide.

  • Do we want to focus there or do we want to focus across the street for the next resort?

  • Robin Margaret Farley - MD and Research Analyst

  • Okay, great.

  • No, that's helpful.

  • And then for the lagoon that is going forward, is the budget and time frame for that the same as when it was last discussed a few months ago?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • It is.

  • It is.

  • Operator

  • And next, we have Thomas Allen from Morgan Stanley.

  • Thomas Glassbrooke Allen - Senior Analyst

  • So on the Macau accelerated investments, how are you thinking about the return on investment on those dollars spent?

  • And then will there be any, for modeling purposes, will there be any renovation impact for the short term?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • So we're not going to quantify what the returns on those will be, because it's really about adding to the overall integrated resort and keeping our customers longer.

  • Clearly, we think the returns are going to be strong.

  • In terms of renovation, I know the team's working carefully with the Encore room tower remodel, because it's one of the most popular room products in all of Macau, to ensure that we're not jeopardizing business.

  • I mean, that tower runs at over 95% occupancy.

  • So taking rooms out to remodel is a delicate dance.

  • And we're working through that now to try to make sure we minimize the impact on the business.

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • It's also a soft refurbishment, so we can manage that very effectively.

  • We did it with the Wynn Tower.

  • We don't foresee it hurting occupancy too much.

  • Thomas Glassbrooke Allen - Senior Analyst

  • Very helpful.

  • And then just a follow-up on Macau.

  • How are you thinking about continuing to ramp-up that comp mix at Palace?

  • Where do you see the potential opportunity?

  • And any other metrics you could give us around -- you talked about bringing in even higher-quality customers than you had been bringing in.

  • So any more color there would be really helpful.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Sure.

  • Linda and Ian, why don't you talk about the comp mix in the hotel?

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • Well, as I addressed earlier, we've listed the number of rooms at Wynn Palace that are casino-related, some 53% in the first quarter last year to 73% in the first quarter of this year.

  • So we continue to have space in the property to bring more high-end customers in, casino high-end customers.

  • So that's our opportunity.

  • As the property gets more familiar with players, we have a lot more repeat business, new customers are being introduced, all the marketing efforts we're making are bearing fruit.

  • So we just continue the things that we're doing.

  • We believe that we're still on liftoff and ramping up.

  • Linda C. Chen - President of Wynn International Marketing, Ltd & President and ED of WYNN Resort - MACAU

  • Also, actually, the quality of our room product is really the top in the market.

  • So we're able to progressively move our customer up to even the next level of (inaudible) products that they haven't experienced before.

  • So we have the penthouse and the villas, and those are actually new, if you may, experience for a lot of the premium mass customers.

  • So we've been able to progressively increase their play based on the better facility that they get to experience.

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • It may be a good opportunity for Ciarán to talk about the strength of mass at Wynn Macau as well.

  • One of the key focuses is to not cannibalize Wynn Macau.

  • Ciarán Pearse Carruthers - COO - Wynn Macau

  • So at Wynn Macau, we're obviously seeing continued growth in the mass business despite the gravitational pull of Cotai's product segment.

  • We've done that -- obviously, we've been running fairly high utilization of our room product by the casino for a long time where about 94% or 95% of our rooms are used by the casino.

  • So really, for us, it's been about yield and the quality of the customers there.

  • And the marketing team has done an exceptionally good job in the optimization strategy, getting better and better quality customers into that room and moving a lot of the business that we had previously seen not lodging with us staying in these -- into the hotel rooms.

  • And it's been key to us not to cannibalize our business, not moving anything across to Wynn Palace unnecessarily.

  • We have a lot of customers that have gone across there, and now have customers that enjoy both properties, customers that have been Cotai customers that have now moved to Wynn Palace, enjoying the Wynn experience and have moved them across the Wynn Macau.

  • So for us, it's really been about utilizing and optimizing the quality of the customer in the room.

  • Linda C. Chen - President of Wynn International Marketing, Ltd & President and ED of WYNN Resort - MACAU

  • Also, where we actually experienced downtown at Wynn Macau is we've been able to leverage the facility at Wynn Palace to reactivate a lot of our inactive customers that we lost from Wynn Macau to the Cotai market.

  • So once -- after our Wynn Palace property is available, we actually have been reintroducing our company and brand to those customers.

  • So now, they've come actually across both properties.

  • So Wynn Macau has experienced a lot of, if you may, reactivation customer that hasn't visited us in the past couple of years.

  • Thomas Glassbrooke Allen - Senior Analyst

  • If I could just ask one quick follow up.

  • So I guess, Ian, you said 73% comp [mix too], but Ciaran highlighted that at the Peninsula, it's 94% to 95%.

  • I mean, is that the long-term opportunity?

  • Ian Michael Coughlan - President of Wynn Macau Limited

  • That is the long-term opportunity.

  • If every room at Wynn Palace goes to a casino customer and one with a high feel, that's where we want to be.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • But the Cotai mix is different than Peninsula.

  • So we're not going to start setting targets for the Cotai room mix to be the same as the Peninsula.

  • That, as you know, Thomas, is the wrong thing to do.

  • So we'll continue to increase our room mix in an appropriate way so that we're maximizing the bottom line.

  • Operator

  • Next, we have Anil Daswani from Citi.

  • Anil Jeevan Daswani - MD and Head of Global Gaming Research and Hong Kong Country Research

  • A couple of things.

  • First of all, could you give us an update on any timelines for the 11 acres of additional land that you guys have over at Wynn Palace?

  • Is there any timeline that you could suggest or CapEx that you could suggest for what you plan to do with that?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • No.

  • Too early.

  • We are in the beginnings of the conceptualization phase.

  • We're actually bringing in some of the leading global designers and people in the animatronics world that we've worked with in the past, that were actually responsible for the Lake of Dreams here in Las Vegas and the Prosperity Tree in Macau, to start to conceptualize some really interesting non-gaming amenities.

  • But we're at the beginning of that, and it will be a number of quarters before we're able to articulate it.

  • Anil Jeevan Daswani - MD and Head of Global Gaming Research and Hong Kong Country Research

  • Okay.

  • And the second thing, Matt.

  • Could you give us some more granularity on Japan?

  • Are you looking at Osaka?

  • Are you looking at Yokohama?

  • What type of CapEx are you guys thinking you'd be willing to commit?

  • I know a couple of others have already commented that they're prepared to invest up to JPY 1 trillion.

  • Is it a similar commitment that Wynn's prepared to make to that Japanese market?

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • So we never lead with a number without knowing the location, all the rules in play, what the consortium looks like and what the expected returns are.

  • So clearly, I think anybody could throw out JPY 1 trillion and back into an ROI that makes sense.

  • But until we know those things, we're not going to be putting out budgets based on thin air.

  • So what we're doing is working carefully with the cities in the Tokyo Bay region and in Osaka, explaining our qualifications, what it is that we do, and working on partnerships to move forward in either one of those markets.

  • Operator

  • And there are no further questions.

  • Matthew O. Maddox - President & CEO

  • Okay.

  • Thank you very much, everybody.

  • We look forward to speaking after the call.

  • Operator

  • Thank you all for participating in today's conference.

  • You may disconnect your line, and have a great day or a great evening.