WSFS Financial Corp (WSFS) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is (Inaudible) and I'll be your conference operator today.

At this time, I would like to welcome you to the WSFS Financial Corporation Third quarter earnings call. (Operator Instruction).

I'd now like to turn the call over to your host today.

To Mr. David Burg, Chief Financial Officer.

Great, thank you very much and good afternoon everyone, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. Our earnings release and earnings release supplement, which we'll refer to on today's call, can be found in the investor relations section of our company website. With me on this call are Rodger Levenson, Chairman, President and CEO, and Arthur J. Bacci, Chief Operating Officer.

Prior to reviewing our financial results, I would like to read our safe harbor statement.

Our discussion today will include information about our management's view of future expectations, plans, and prospects that constitute forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from historical results or those indicated by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to the risk factors included in the annual report on Form-10k and our most recent quarterly reports on Form-10Q, as well as other documents were periodically filed with the SEC.

All comments made during today's call are subject to the Safe Harbor.

I will now turn to our financial results.

During the third quarter, WSFS continued to demonstrate the strength of our franchise and diverse business model. The company delivered a core EPS of $1.40 core return on assets of 1.40%, and core return on tangible common equity of 18.7%, which are all up versus the second quarter.

On a year over year basis, core net income increased 21%, core PPNR grew 6%, and core earnings per share increased 30%. In addition, our tangible book value per share increased by 12%.

Net interest margin expanded two basis points to 3.91% quarter over quarter. This reflects a reduction in total funding cost of two basis points with a deposit beta of 37%.

Given the September rate cut, our exit beta for September is 43%, which reflects the re-pricing actions taken after the rate cut.

Net interest margin for the quarter benefited from an interest recovery from a previously non-performing loan which added about 4 basis points.

Core fee revenue was flat quarter of a quarter as our results were impacted by two previously announced strategic exits in wealth and trust, as well as the spring EQ earnout from last quarter. Excluding these items, core revenue grew 5% quarter over quarter, primarily driven by capital markets and Cash Connect. Our wealth and trust business continues to perform very well and grew 13% year over year.

Total client deposits increased to 1% in quarter, driven by a commercial business.

On a year to year basis, client deposits grew 5%, driven by growth across consumer, commercial wealth, and trust. Importantly, non-interest deposits grew 12% year over year and continued to represent over 30% of our total client deposits.

Loans were down 1% in quarter, driven by the previously announced sale of the upstart loan portfolio, and continued runoff in our spring EQ portfolio.

Excluding these items, loans were generally flat this quarter, but we saw solid momentum in several areas. Our residential mortgage and WSFS originated consumer loan portfolios both delivered strong growth with link quarter increases of 5% and 3% respectively. These results reflect the momentum of our home lending business as well as the learnings obtained from our partnership with Spring EQ.

In commercial, new fundings this quarter will offset by lower line utilization and the payoff of problem loans which supported improvements in our asset quality. Importantly, our commercial pipeline remains strong across both C&I and commercial real estate, increasing to approximately 300 million.

We saw a meaningful improvement across our asset quality metrics during the quarter. Total net credit costs were $8.4 million this quarter, down 5.9 million compared to the prior quarter. Net charge-offs were 30 basis points for the quarter and 21 basis points when excluding new lane. Importantly, we saw a decline in problem assets, delinquencies, and non-performing assets this quarter. NPAs declined by over 30% to 35 basis points, driven by two large payoffs with no additional losses, while delinquencies declined by 34%.

In each of these areas we are now at or below the lowest level in the past year.

During the third quarter, WSFS returned $56.3 million of capital, including buybacks of 46.8 million or 1.5% of our outstanding shares. Year-to-date, we have repurchased 5.8% of our outstanding shares. Despite these higher levels of repurchase, our capital position remains very strong, with the CET1 of 14.39%, well in excess of our medium term operating target of 12%.

We intend to maintain an elevated level of buybacks in line with our previously communicated glide path towards our capital target of 12% while retaining discretion to adjust the pace of these buybacks based on the macro environment, our business performance, and potential investment opportunities. These results position us well to meet our previously announced full year outlook, even with an additional October rate cut, which was not previously included in our assumptions.

While the path and timing of future rate cuts remains uncertain, it's important to note that the impacts of additional rate cuts on our financial results will not be linear as we continue to manage our margins through deposit repricing, our hedge program, and securities portfolio strategy. As we have done in the past, we will provide a full year 26 outlook in January with the release of our fourth quarter 2025 financial results. We remain excited about the future and committed to continuing to deliver high performance.

Thank you, and we'll now open the line for questions.

(Operator Instruction) Russell Gunther, Stephen Inc.

Hey good afternoon guys.

Hey, Russell, good afternoon.

I wanted to start kind of with the bigger picture question, David, and you kind of touched on it towards the end of your prepared remarks, but that, medium term target on CET1, challenging to hit given just how much money you guys make. So it would be helpful to get a sense just kind of big picture in your mind, what's your base case scenario to achieving that target and sort of what does that assume. For organic growth rates over the next couple of years, acquisitive growth, be it depositories or fee verticals, and then you mentioned potentially flexing the buyback at a, more accelerated clip. Just your base case to get there would be helpful to start.

Yeah, absolutely, Russell. So yeah, look, as you've seen this year, we are buying back on a clip that's significantly ahead of both the last couple of years, we're buying back approximately 100% of our net income.

Given some of the balance sheet dynamics, the sale of the opstart portfolio, for example, the runoff in in some of the partnership portfolios, our RWA has not increased and therefore our capital levels, despite these buybacks, our capital levels are still very high and actually increased since the beginning of the year.

So that's the dynamic and as well as the profitability levels that you mentioned, we do generate a lot of capital.

So I think that if you look forward, even with a robust growth rate on our balance sheet, we still have a lot of dry powder to execute the buybacks at or above the level of 100% of our net income for a couple of years, for two to three years.

And so that's really the strategic. Intention that we have and depending on what happens with the balance sheet, we may accelerate that path. So I can completely see us leaning in more and doing even in excess of our net income on the buyback side.

And obviously, as you said, we look at, we continuously evaluate different investment opportunities, the first priority and the preference is always to invest the capital in the business where those creative opportunities exist.

But after that, we would look to return.

Okay, got it.

Thank you. And then, just second question for me, so.

Asset quality resolution and and trends were really constructive this quarter. You guys have a healthy reserve, and we just talked about the healthy CEP1 for that matter. So I guess how are you thinking about reserve levels here amid what is still a somewhat volatile macro and then could you share, particular sectors of your loan portfolio where you continue to keep a closer incremental eye.

Yeah, I think, on asset quality generally, as you've seen in our numbers, we have good momentum and good progress.

I think I would say a couple of things. I think first and foremost with respect to asset quality, one of the things that we TRY to do obviously is discipline originations.

It starts there and we TRY to have recourse for most of our lending, vast majority of it, and those type of actions to make sure we have good underwriting. And then we also TRY to be proactive around engagement with clients should things, should there be unexpected bumps and bruises, we TRY, we have a very kind of long forward-looking pipeline. We stress our portfolio for higher rates.

And whether there are issues, well we think there are issues at maturity, we TRY to engage very early and proactively with our clients and that's been the key to working through our pipeline and some of the migration that you've seen and theavable trends that you've seen. And so, I think.

Commercial is always going to be lumpy, and there may be, one or two uneven situations, but generally we feel good about our portfolio and we feel good about continuing to make progress on the on resolving and working through the remaining NPAs.

The consumer, asset quality has been very strong both within our home lending business and within the spring portfolio, so we feel good about the trends and we feel good about continuing to make progress.

In terms of our reserve, I would say that we it's, when you look at the pure, when you look at the pure macro data that goes into the model, it would suggest that we have the capacity to release some reserves, but we have conservatively, made some qualitative offsets where we see still potential volatility in the macroeconomy to keep that reserve where it is. So. I think that's purely a function of all the volatility that we see with rates, potential inflation, some of the labor weakness, and us being erring more on the conservative side.

So, hopefully that covers the question, but please let me know.

If I miss something.

That's perfect, David.

Thank you very much, and I'll step back.

Thank you guys.

Thanks, Russell.

(Operator Instruction) Kelly Motta from KBW.

Hi, Kelly.

(Operator Instruction) Christopher Marinac, Janney Montgomery Scott.

Hey, good afternoon.

Thank you for hosting us today. I wanted to dig in further to the wealth and trust business lines and just understand a little bit more about the future growth in terms of new accounts being opened versus just doing more business with existing accounts. I know you called a little bit of that out on the Bren Mar Trust, but I wanted to do more on the other pieces.

Sure. And hi, Chris, thanks for the question. So, as our wealth business is a pretty diverse business, and there are really three business lines within that business. There's the institutional services, there's the Brimw Trust of Delaware, and then the private wealth Management.

And also, about 60% of the revenue in that business is really not AUM based.

Revenue not tied to AUM but really tied to new accounts and tied to transaction activity.

And so we've seen, the places where we've seen a lot of new activity growth, new clients, new accounts have been both on the institutional services side and the BMT of Delaware side. When you look at year over year, institutional services is up about 30% this quarter when you and BMT of Delaware is up about 20%. This quarter and so we're seeing growth in in new accounts and and transactions with existing clients. We're seeing a lot of activity there.

Chris, this is art.

I would tell you on a few things. I mean, the institutional services team just came back from the ABS East Conference in Miami this week, and they're jazzed. I mean, our reputation, our quality of service is really being recognized in the marketplace. There's been comments about deterioration in service with some other trustees and so we're continuing to see a very robust. Pipeline with new clients and and actually becoming the preferred provider for many clients on the BMT of Delaware side, similar thing we we've seen a recent bank acquisition that one of the subsidiaries was a Delaware Trust and we're seeing clients starting to leave that and coming to us. We're seeing opportunities on the international side of that business. So that team's really continuing to look to. To grow its business and then on the private wealth management side, we've, we kind of got past the Commonwealth divestiture, if you will, in the last two months have been net client cash flow positive and we're starting to see very good. A referrals from commercial. We're also really honing in on COIs and really trying to focus on getting more business from some of our COIs. So I think all in all we're, we have a really positive outlook going into 2026 with our wealth and trust businesses.

Great.

Thank you both for that and I guess just to extend, one more thought, you have operating leverage on all ends of the company, but is the operating leverage greater in the wealth space where you can create more earnings from that, versus the the bank operation?

Yeah, I think the, one of the things that it goes to the diversity of the business model, when you look at our profit margins in the wealth business, I would say they're they're higher than the traditional profit margins that you may see in other wealth businesses, and it's really, it really goes to that model. We do have a lot of operating leverage and a lot of opportunity for scale there for sure. Particularly institutional services and BMT of Delaware.

So I definitely would echo that that comment.

And I think you can see it in our deposit base that comes out of the trust business because it's large deposits. They're not using our branch network. They're not using ATMs. It's a very scalable business for us.

Great, thanks again for taking our calls today.

Yeah, thanks Chris.

(Operator Instruction) Janet Lee from TD Bank.

Hello.

Hey Janet.

Hi, on Cash Connect business.

As rates, if rates were to come down, I would expect the revenue to get compressed, but then I believe that the funding side of it could offset. In terms of the NII benefit coming from the Cash Connect, how do you guys forecast in terms of the potential financial benefit coming from Cash Connect increasing or is it more compressed?

Yeah, Janet, I'm happy to to answer that. So I would say a couple of things on Cash Connect. One, I think the way you described it is exactly right.

The Cash Connect revenue, the pricing is tied to interest rates, and so as interest rates come down, we would expect a reduction in our fee revenue and Cash Connect, but that would be more than offset in a reduction in expenses.

And so, basically from a profitability perspective, we do benefit from rates coming down and you can think of it as roughly for every 25 basis points, about a $300,000 kind of pre-tax profitability benefit.

So that's, as we've seen that play out over the last couple of cuts and as we have the cuts, September is really not in the numbers yet, but as we have September, potentially the cut next week in December, all of those will flow in into the beginning of next year.

I would say that's one dynamic with Cash Connect and we drive towards increasing profitability. The other thing, which is if you look at our second reporting in Cash Connect, one of the things we've been talking about is increasing. The the profit margins in that business in general, and that's not just because of rates, but also because of pricing leverage that we think we have in the market, given our market share, that's also on the expense and efficiency side. So there are a few different levers to that and that's been playing out nicely so far. If you look at year over year, the profit margin in that business was about a little bit under 6% and this year we're over 10%.

Last quarter it's important to note that there was an insurance recovery last quarter, which, so the margins look a bit elevated, but if you normalize for that, last quarter was about 8%. So we went from kind of 6 to 8 to 10, and that's trajectory that we were looking for and that's, so we're executing against that strategy.

And Janet, just as a reminder.

The way we account for the bailment business, the benefit that David is talking about won't necessarily flow through NII. It's a combination of fee income and non-interest expense.

Thank you.

And just on so you maintain your low single-digits, all guidance, including the low single-digit commercial loan growth for for the year. So that includes the problem loan payoff that you experienced in the quarter.

And also, could you help me, help us size the, or size the pace.

Of the payoffs coming from the consumer partnership going forward, should it decelerate from the current like 140 million levels? How should I think about the total impact of the payments and the trajectory there?

Yeah, so.

Janet, let me take the consumer first and then I'll circle back around to the commercial question.

On the consumer side, we had two things happen this quarter, and it's important to separate them. One was we closed the sale of the upstart portfolio, and that was about $85 million that came off our balance sheet at the beginning of the quarter. As that was a a non-strategic portfolio that was in runoff.

It had some elevated net charge-offs and so. We made the strategic decision to exit that portfolio and we're also able to release some reserves based on that transaction.

So that that's the upstart portfolio. Beyond that, the remaining runoff that you see is really in the spring EQ portfolio.

And that runoff for the quarter was about $50 million. And so that's the pace more or less that that we would expect coming somewhere in the 15 to $17 million per month is what we would expect in that in that runoff of Springy Houston we expect that to continue.

However, we, one of the, I think one of the areas where we've been leaning into and we think we have, we've had good momentum and we think we have continued momentum is in our home lending business. Which is our mortgage business and ours originated consumer loans which are primarily POC lines of credit and installment loans, and we've had really annualized double-digit growth for a few quarters there and that's really more than offsetting kind of the spring EQ runoff that you see. So, we think we have, we think positively about that growth continuing. We think we have some differentiated origination capabilities in that mortgage business. We've been growing our origination officers, and so we feel good about leaning into that, to that area.

That's on the residential side, on the consumer side rather. On the commercial side, this quarter, as you said, this quarter was really impacted by a couple of things. One was the work, the payoff of the problem loans, which obviously, is a good thing. We like to see that and that supports our asset quality improvement. We also saw line utilization being down this quarter, that's Kind of a bit of a volatile number that moves up and down that there's some of the economic uncertainty plays into that, but generally that's just a function of kind of business activity. But generally, if you kind of separate that, we feel, we continue to feel good about our pipeline altogether, across the board, including C&I. I would say, we're focused on definitely making a creative and profitable originations.

There's a lot of competition in C&I. We don't want to be the low, we're not the low price point in the market. We want to be very thoughtful about our profitability. We want to be very thoughtful about underwriting. But having said that, we feel very good about our pipeline.

Our pipeline now is at a higher level than it's been in a number of quarters at about 300 million in total. So we feel good about our pipeline, and I would also add that we're continuing to win talent in the market, which gives us a lot of confidence, for example, we had, we recently announced the new Philadelphia market President, who was the market President for one of the major super regional banks in the area for Philadelphia. And so I think winning talent like that. Gives us confidence and I think demonstrates the confidence that others have in the franchise as well. So yeah, we feel good about, it's hard to predict quarter of a quarter, but we feel good about being able to grow that business and continuing to lean in to C&I, and that's really the relationship engine that that we want to anchor to.

Thank you.

(Operator Instruction) Kelly Motta from KBW.

Hey, good afternoon. Sorry about the technical difficulties and thanks for the question.

Hey Kelly, no problem.

Maybe just piggybacking where where you left off last you noted, recruitment of a Philly market President clearly organic growth is a focus. Where are there other areas where you're looking to add talent where you think, you know. There's room to bolster up either in terms of, product line, wealth or or the core bank or parts of the geography that look like, attractive growth opportunities and places where you could, add some folks.

Yes, the answer is yes. So we're, just like I mentioned, the commercial example, we have other relationship managers joining the commercial team that continues to be an area that we're looking to continue to increase and so that is an area of focus as well as the wealth business.

You know that's been an area of focus all along. We've had some very successful lift outs of teams in the last 12 to 18 months there that are that are really starting to bear fruit and play out the thesis, but that's another area where we're continuously looking at talent.

Both from a lift that perspective as well as, we look at, potential RAA acquisitions that we've done in the past and so we continuously evaluate talent across our footprint. And we think we have a lot of opportunity there and I mentioned earlier the referrals, but that's something that we really think, is there's a significant amount of opportunity in the referral pipelines across our businesses. That's between wealth and commercial. It's between small business, it's between our home lending business and each of those. So there, there's really, a lot of untapped potential there as well.

Got it. That's helpful, and then maybe turning back from the margin, I apologize if I missed this, but you guys have done a really great job, managing the margin, keeping an overall relatively level, high level of margin and neutralizing some acid sensitivity. If you get a couple cuts here again this quarter, do you think you have enough flex in the deposit base to off to absorb some of that or could there be some near term pressure in that margin ahead?

Thank you.

Yeah, Kelly, happy to go into work through that a little bit. So I think there's, I'll give you a short-term answer and a longer-term answer.

From a shorter term answer, we do have sensitivity in our net interest margin, as you mentioned. I would characterize that as about 3 basis points per 25 basis point rate cut.

So that that's really the near term impact. So when you think about the net interest margin this quarter, we were 391. We had the one interest recovery.

If you kind of normalize for that, we're in the high 380s, and so with a couple of a few rate cuts that go into the fourth quarter, we would tick down to maybe about 380.

Around kind of in that ballpark, but the, I would say the longer-term answer is that we have a number of tools that we use to offset that sensitivity, after the initial impact and the best evidence that I can give you of that is if you look at what's happened over the last year, where we've had, as 125 basis points of rate cuts, but our margins are up year over year over 10 basis points. And so that sensitivity that I mentioned of about 3 basis points per cut, will go to 1 to 2 basis points as we are able to take the actions that we take. And those actions are one is the deposit repricing that you mentioned. We continue to our exit beta for the quarter.

The cut obviously happened at the end of September, but if you look at the exit data at the end of the month, it was about 43% in the low 40s.

We're going to run, a similar playbook for the other cuts, and we think that we can be kind of in that low 40 beta, for each of the upcoming cuts. That's number 12 is we have, as the hedging program, where we have 4 options, that mitigate and neutralize some of the asset sensitivity. We have about 850 million of those that are in the money right now.

And with the next rate cut, another 250 million would come in the money. And if we have three more cuts, you would have the entire 1.5 billion program actually in the money. So that would neutralize essentially 1.5 billion of variable rate loans and, essentially neutralize that to look like fixed.

So that's something that we continue to deploy. We're going to continue to utilize the program. Throughout 26, we're thoughtful about maturities there, making sure that full $1.5 billion is going to be deployed. And the third thing, I would say that we, the third tool, actually two more things. The third tool that we've been using is obviously new to the extent that we've been growing new deposits and we're able to reinvest it and you think about A steeper yield curve going forward and you're able to originate those deposits and the low cost deposits that we've been able to have and then reinvest them at the higher yields. That of course takes some time to play out, but that's a big supporter of the net interest margin. And the last thing that I will call out is our securities portfolio, as our securities portfolio yields south of 2.5%. And it rolls off, we have about 500, about $500 million of cash flow every year that comes off that security portfolio that then we reinvest either into loans or potentially other securities.

We reinvested and we pick up a lot of yield. There's 4basis points to 5 basis points of annual yield pick up from that rollover. So the combination of all of those things, it's what allowed us to really mitigate the impact more than what, the kind of the paper math would suggest, and we'll continue to lean in and deploy those tools.

Great, I really appreciate all the color on that. That's really helpful and will be helpful to go back to just one point of tying up the loose ends of clarification, just, can you remind me how much floating rate loans you have and maybe index deposits just just to help, manage our margin with that component.

Thank you.

Yes, so our floating rate, our loans, our floating rate loans are a little bit over 50%, and so, our loan beta is about 50%, but when you incorporate the hedges, the loan beta drops to a little bit over 40%.

So, and that's really, and so when you think about our deposit data in that range as well, that's really, that's how we TRY to neutralize the portfolio.

That's how we think about it. So, and on the deposit side, we, as we have the CD book, which is the time maturities, that most of that CD book is in kind of the 6 months with a little bit of 11 months.

And so that kind of matures on its cycle.

The other deposits are mostly non-indexed. We have about 7 to 800 million of kind of indexed deposits.

Thank, thanks again for all that, David. That's helpful step back.

(Operator Instruction).

Okay, thank you very much everyone for joining the call today. If you have any specific follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to investor relations or me. Have a great day.

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