Vera Bradley Inc (VRA) 2024 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Greetings, and welcome to Vera Bradley Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2024 earnings conference call.

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Good morning and welcome, everyone.

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I will now turn over the call to Vera Bradley CE., Jackie, Audrey.Jackie?

Thank you, Mark.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call.

I want to start with some comments on the quarter.

We're pleased with the completion of the first full year of our turnaround story.

We've successfully pivoted pivoted the organization towards a bright future and effectively manage both the existing business as well as the turnaround efforts through Project restoration, which will begin to bear fruit in the coming year.

Our teams continued to carefully manage both gross margin and expenses in the fourth quarter, consistent with efforts earlier in the year, we have improved discipline around gross margin management and cost control, a part of our go-forward DNA.

In addition to this discipline, our strategic efforts are focused on stabilizing and growing our sales base.

Our recent sales results demonstrate the need for change in our branding, product assortments and store environments.

The exact areas that project restoration is addressing to position Vera Bradley, Inc. For long-term profitable growth after a year of foundational work or very excited about the customer facing changes through Project restoration that we will unveil this year for the fourth quarter, Vera Bradley brand revenues fell 6.1% with soft sales in all direct channels.

Sales were also negatively impacted by store closures.

Customers responded to some of our latest product collaborations and to our newer product offerings like leather.

But overall, they continue to be more discriminating with their discretionary spending in light of the macroeconomic environment, a bright spot was the November transformation of our online outlet from a flash sale model to every day extension of our outlet stores.

This brought new customers to the brand and helped offset weakness in the outlet store channel.

On the indirect side, our wholesale partners were cautious with inventory buys in the fourth quarter.

Pura Vida year-over-year fourth quarter sales declined 21.6%, primarily due to decreases in e-commerce and wholesale revenues as external marketing costs continued to rise and marketing effectiveness remained challenging.

Our holiday gifts, like our annual Advent box and engraving categories performed best for the quarter.

While we are actively addressing revenue stabilization and marketing effectiveness at Pura Vida, our key focus is managing the business for profitability as a result, we drove meaningful year-over-year operating margin improvement for the fourth quarter and full year.

As I'm sure everyone listening understands a strong balance sheet is incredibly important in retail and especially for Vera Bradley as project restoration enters an implementation stage, we continue to strengthen our already strong balance sheet, adding to our year-over-year cash position while strategically reducing our inventory levels.

We ended the fiscal year with consolidated revenues of approximately $471 million.

We generated GAAP net income of $7.8 million, or $0.25 per diluted share, a return to profitability from a sizable loss last year.

Excluding charges on a non-GAAP basis, net income for the fiscal year totaled $17.2 million or 55% $0.55 per diluted share.

This improved profitability was primarily driven by gross margin performance and disciplined expense control.

Now let me turn to project restoration a little over a year ago, we began a comprehensive review of the consumer brand product and channel components for both of our brands.

This work culminated in our long-term strategic plan project restoration, which addresses each of these four pillars through Project restoration, we are taking targeted and prudent actions to stabilize revenues while remaining focused on strong financial discipline.

We believe execution of this company-wide comprehensive initiative will drive long-term profitable growth and deliver value to our shareholders at Vera Bradley Project New Day launches in mid-July and is the first manifestation of our project restoration work and a full pivot from where we are today.

It includes, among other things, the reveal of our new and elevated full line branding and marketing, product store design and website, our work on this initiative was informed by consumer research and current perceptions of the brand from both buyers and non buyers.

We believe we have the ability to attract new customers while keeping our current fans through product innovations and new marketing campaigns designed to inspire joy and connection.

Our new assortment has broad appeal and uses new higher quality and softer fabrics and styles designed not only to look great, but feel great.

I'd like to give you some more detail on the progress within each pillar for the consumer.

We're focusing on restoring brand relevance targeting casual and feminine 35 to 53 or four year old women who value both fashion and function.

Our focus on the 35 to 54 year old lead us in search of data to understand where and how she shops.

We are using this data to inform product design and development, and we'll continue to use this data to target new customers and embark on new partnerships, licensing deals and collaborations to extend our reach.

We've created a multiyear customer file growth plan with a focus on this core consumer target along with an appropriate level of marketing investment to acquire new customers as we launch new product and our refreshed brand vision midyear for the brand,

we are strategically marketing our distinctive and unique position as a feminine fashionable brand that connects with consumers on a deep emotional level.

Vera Bradley is a strong brand with tremendous brand recognition, and we're going to make it even stronger by telling a new story about it.

We are refocusing our marketing efforts and shifting more marketing dollars to increase reach in a more precise way through the right media mix.

Our initiatives will include more creative campaigns, enhanced digital reach, increased public relations and innovative store efforts to drive interest and gain new customers.

We're also very excited about our new celebrity partner or chief Joy officer, who we will announce this summer.

And we are continuing to shift our focus from channel specific customer acquisition to an omnichannel perspective for increased media effectiveness for product.

We're refocusing our core categories and items we are best at by innovating and expanding within our core products.

We are elevating our colorful feminine heritage, keeping it distinctive, but more trend-right and modern through updated prints, colors, styles and designs.

And we will continue to enter into strategic adjacent lifestyle item introductions that makes sense for our customers.

We had the benefit of a strong brand with high brand recognition, and we'll be offering something new in the full line accessories space under a good, better, best Halo model.

These changes were derived carefully after extensive customer data analysis, there is more attention to key items like travel bags and the smaller items that fit inside bags like wallets and pouches that allow her to customize for look and personalize her organization.

Products are curated to meet the needs of our customers, offering superior quality and fabrication components and overall craftsmanship.

We've improved the quality of most of our fabrics, while keeping our commitment to increase use of preferred fibers and our retail price structure is unchanged.

Although the assortment will look new is unmistakably Vera Bradley and our existing customers will still recognize their favorite styles and our distinctive colors patterns and quilting.

The reception from our wholesale customers who have seen our new products at the Dallas Atlanta and New York markets has been extremely positive.

I just mentioned leather, our revamped leather collection of bags, wallets and restless and other accessories debuted last fall.

Leather performed well and the initial collection mostly sold out.

We built on this success and developed a major expansion as part of New Day, our outlet stores and outlet website will get new made for outlets, styles, prints and collaborations, as well as the benefit of select merchandise transferred from full-line stores throughout Q3.

Product collaborations will always be an important part of our brand expression.

We continue to see stronger response from partnerships with Disney, hello, Kitty and peanuts, and those will continue in all channels.

And then finally, for the channel, we're building a balanced footprint, think more clearly differentiates our full line and outlet assortments and experience.

We will accelerate our digital first focus and online reach while maintaining brand-right wholesale relationships, exploring partnerships that will help us acquire new customers.

Delivering growth in our e-commerce channels is a key priority.

We will accelerate this digital first focus and elevate our online presence to include more consumer focused features, storytelling and personalized experiences.

We are improving our online shopping experience and elevating creative flex offering our outlet assortment online on Vera Bradley outlet.com.

For the first time ever, we are doing a deep dive into our real estate strategy.

Our full line fleet is 80% in malls and not all of them are A. malls.

Traffic is declining in some locations and we need to adjust our strategy to optimize the fleet of both full line and outlet stores.

We will explore opening new formats entering new markets, relocating stores where needed and increasing penetration in existing markets.

We have already taken several expense, disciplined steps to improve the profitability of our full-line stores.

We will update our entire existing full-line store fleet with new branding and an improved shopping experience.

The stores will reflect a more modern, less cluttered and easier to shop experience with new fixturing and lighting, allowing the product product to shine our current year capital budget of $12 million to $14 million is triple last year's spending, and much of this is attributable to these remodels.

In addition, we plan to open two full-line stores this year and are in the process of identifying prudent, modest store expansion plans for the future.

We are also exploring new full-line formats with a focus on lifestyle centers.

We're also taking a comprehensive approach to addressing the trends in Vera Bradley's outlet channel.

We are reviewing all aspects of the outlet operating model for changes and improvements.

Keep in mind that the outlet channel remains highly profitable and we will open one new outlet store this year.

Maintaining brand-right wholesale relationships are important, and we are actively working with new specialty retailers where we know our customer is shopping.

As you can see, there's a lot going on at Vera Bradley.

Now let me turn to Pura Vida where we are shifting our focus to delivering profitability and balancing the e-commerce business with wholesale and retail stores.

Pura Vida's revenues have declined the last two quarters, largely as a result of increased digital media costs that led to new to lower customer acquisition.

We diversified our marketing spend and are making additional efforts to retain customers while continuing to work on each pillar of project restoration for the consumer we're sharpening our focus on the 18 to 24 year old collegiate girl.

We will shift our marketing strategy to increase appeal to Gen-Z based on our most recent research for the brand.

We are resetting our brand ethos on living life to the fullest sharing real moments, places and faces in our marketing campaigns and sharpening our focus on Gen-Z.

We are more analytical using our newly implemented comprehensive customer data platform to more strategically target customers and potential customers with a focus on acquisition, but especially on repeat purchases and retention.

This significantly enhanced customer reporting and increased analytics have made us smarter and analyzing challenges.

And we are investing in new tools to A/B test and improve the site experience and conversion for products we are focused on delivering unique, fun, playful designs that are affordable and accessible with a dominant emphasis on bracelets and jewelry as well as other strategic adjacent categories.

We will continue to innovate around string bracelets and our other jewelry and accessory categories.

Our custom bracelets from Harper charms to craveable items to building your own bracelets are popular and continue to be a big growth opportunity.

We will continue to pursue high-profile collaborations like Hello Kitty, Shark Week and Harry Potter, which are always fan favorites and bring new customers to the brand.

Social responsibility is important to the Pura Vida customer, and we backed this through our charity program, which supports dozens of causes.

And finally, for channel, we continue to have strong focus on restoring e-commerce growth with a greater focus on repeat purchases as well as strategic growth of sale.

Additionally, our success in retail stores has driven us to find new store locations for this year and beyond, we expect to open at least two new additional stores this year.

Now let me turn the call over to CFO, Michael Swindle, to review the financial results Michael.

Thank you, Jackie, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

Before we open for questions, I have a few highlights for the fourth quarter and the full year to cover for the sake of clarity.

The numbers I am discussing today are all non-GAAP in nature and exclude the charges outlined in today's press release.

A complete detail of items excluded from the non-GAAP numbers as well as the reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP can also be found in the release.

Beginning with our fourth quarter, consolidated net revenues totaled $133.3 million compared to 147.1 million in the prior year.

Consolidated net income totaled $3.5 million or $0.11 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $1 million or $0.03 per diluted share last year.

The current year fourth quarter consisted of 14 weeks compared to 13 weeks in the prior year fourth quarter.

The full year of fiscal 24 consisted of 53 weeks compared to 52 weeks in the prior fiscal year.

Comparable sales discussed by Jackie and myself during this call were calculated based on 13 weeks in each of the fourth quarters and 52 weeks in each of the fiscal years.

The additional week contributed approximately $6 million in net revenues and increased earnings per share by approximately one penny for both the current year fourth quarter and the fiscal 2024 year.

Current year fourth quarter Vera Bradley Direct segment revenues totaled $93 million, a 6.6% decrease from $99.5 million in the prior year fourth quarter comparable sales decreased 10% from the prior year, largely driven by weakness in the outlet and full line channels.

Total revenues were also impacted by store closures over the last 12 months, including eight full-line stores and one outlet store.

While we also opened three outlet stores over the last 12 months, Vera Bradley Indirect segment revenues totaled $16.1 million a 3.7% decrease over $16.7 million in the prior year fourth quarter.

The decrease was primarily related to lower sales to certain specialty partners and key accounts.

Pura Vida segment revenues totaled $24.2 million, a 21.6% decrease from $30.9 million in the prior year fourth quarter, primarily a result of declines in e-commerce and wholesale sales.

Fourth quarter gross margin totaled $69.6 million or 52.3% of net revenues compared to $60.7 million or 41.3% of net revenues.

The current year gross margin rate compared to the prior year rate was favorably impacted by lower year-over-year inventory reserve charges lower inbound and outbound freight expense, lower supply chain costs and sell-through of previously reserved inventory, partially offset by increased promotional activity.

Prior year gross margin was materially impacted by inventory reserve charges and high inbound and outbound freight expense as well as overhead costs.

Sg&a expenses in the fourth quarter totaled $65.7 million or 49.3% of net revenues compared to $64.4 million or 43.8% of net revenues in the prior year fourth quarter.

Vera Bradley's current year non-GAAP SG&A expenses were higher than the prior year quarter, primarily due to incremental marketing expenses in the quarter, partially offset by savings from company-wide cost reduction initiatives.

Fourth quarter consolidated operating income totaled $4.1 million or 3.1% of net revenues compared to consolidated net operating loss of $3.5 million or 2.4% of net revenues in the prior year.

Now turning to the full year results, our consolidated net revenues for the year totaled $470.8 million compared to $500 million last year.

Consolidated net income totaled $17.2 million, or $0.55 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $3.2 million or $0.10 per diluted share last year.

Vera Bradley Direct segment revenues for the current year fiscal year totaled $309.9 million, a 5.6% decrease from $328.2 million in the prior year.

Comparable sales for the year declined by 7.1%.

Vera Bradley Indirect segment revenues for the fiscal year totaled $73.8 million, a 0.7% increase of $73.3 million in prior year, primarily reflecting an increase in certain key account orders, partially offset by a decline in certain specialty partner revenues.

Current year pure Vida segment revenues totaled $87.1 million, an 11.5% decrease from $98.4 million in the prior year, reflecting declines in e-commerce and wholesale sales, partially offset by growth in retail store sales.

Gross margin for the current fiscal year totaled $256.4 million or 54.5% of net revenues compared to $240.5 million or 48.1% of net revenues last year.

The current year gross profit rate compared to the prior year was favorably impacted again by year over year.

Inventory reserve charges, lower year-over-year inbound and outbound freight expense lower supply chain costs and sell-through of previously reserved inventory, partially offset by increase in promotional activity.

For the fiscal year, SG&A expense totaled $234.7 million or 49.9% of net revenues compared to $245.3 million or 9.1% of net revenues in the prior year.

The decline in the current year.

Expenses was driven by company-wide cost reduction initiatives.

For the fiscal year, the Company's consolidated operating income totaled $22.6 million or 4.8% of net revenue compared to consolidated operating loss of $4.4 million or 0.9% of net revenues in the prior year.

That Turning to the balance sheet, our fiscal year end cash and cash equivalents totaled $77.3 million compared to $46.6 million at the end of the last fiscal year.

We continued to have no borrowings on our $75 million ABL facility at year end.

Total fiscal year end inventory was $118.3 million compared to $142.3 million last year.

We have taken strategic actions to reduce our inventory levels and believe we are appropriately positioned as we head into spring and prepare for our new product launches in July.

In fiscal 2024, we purchased approximately 360,000 shares of common stock at an average price of $6.10 per share for an aggregate of approximately $2.2 million or $25.5 million remains under our $50 million repurchase authorization and that expires in December of 2024.

Now looking forward to our guidance for fiscal 2025.

Our estimates for fiscal 2025 are based on current macro economic trends and expectations as we begin to unveil the results of project restoration and the launch of new day midyear.

As a result of this timing, we expect to continue to experience some revenue challenges in the first half of the fiscal year and see improving sales and profitability trends in the second half of the year.

We expect to continue to take advantage of gross margin improvement opportunities, and we'll manage our expense structure diligently.

As a reminder, our forward-looking guidance numbers are on a non-GAAP basis.

For the full year fiscal 2025.

We expect consolidated net revenues of $460 million to $480 million.

As a reminder, net revenues totaled $470.8 million in fiscal 2024 we expect the Vera Bradley brand sales to grow by low single digits for the year, with accelerating sales in the second half as we launch new products, branding and marketing, we anticipate Pura Vida brand sales will decline in the mid teen range as we continue to manage the business for profitability by addressing marketing efficiencies, impact e-commerce sales, which we partially offset by increased retail sales.

We also expect consolidated gross margin of 54% to 55% compared to 54.5% in fiscal 2020.

For the fiscal 2025.

Gross profit rate is expected to be relatively flat to last year due to product margin improvements and lower supply chain costs, offset by increased shipping costs.

Consolidated SG&A expense is expected to range from $229 million to $239 million compared to $234.7 million last year year over year.

SG&A expenses are expected to be relatively flat to last year, driven by incremental marketing investments associated with the new DES launch, offset by company-wide expense reductions and lower period expenses this results in anticipated consolidated operating income of $21 million to $24.5 million compared to $22.6 million in fiscal 2024, along with diluted earnings per share of $0.54 to $0.62 compared to $0.55 last year.

We also expect net capital spending of approximately $12 million to $14 million versus $3.8 million last year.

This spend reflects investments associated with new and remodeled stores as well as technology and logistics enhancements.

As a result, our free cash flow is anticipated to be approximately $10 million in fiscal 2025 compared to $44.2 million in fiscal 2024.

And that concludes our formal remarks.

So Sherry we'd like to open up the call for questions.

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Our first question is from Joe Gomes with NOBLE Capital.

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Good morning.

Me go.

So just Jack, you talked about a lot of changes coming on both of the brands in calendar year 2024, you've been there for 18 months, Michael, you've been there for about a year from you've talked about project restoration for roughly years that the challenge of turning around that, just that much bigger than you originally anticipated?

Or is there just things that are occurring that it's taking you a long, relatively long period of time to get your hands around it in order to come up with the changes here that you've outlined today.

That's a great question.

Joe. And the the short answer to that is no.

We are absolutely on track in terms of our efforts in our IT to turnaround the business are the first thing that we really had to deal with was our very long product life cycle.

So I've been here about 15 months and our product lifecycle is roughly 18 months.

So you don't kind of getting into seat and then hiring the team to be able to do this level of transformation.

We're right, really where we need to be in terms of launching all of this in the middle of the year.

And I would say further that to that, that it is and this is a it's a big change and it's the one thing over the years.

Many people have followed the brand, and there's been a lot of things that Vera Bradley specifically that we've done.

This is a different effort.

This is a very comprehensive effort.

That's really and on your outlined by project restoration, it's not just one part of the pillar.

It's the entire pillar.

So So this was a bigger effort.

And then I expect to see that in the middle of the year when we launch new day for Vera Bradley, that we'll see and we'll see some some really good results on the Pura Vida side of different, definitely different issues.

And we're seeing some other external issues that have really kind of cause us to say, You know what, this is a business that we're going to manage for profitability.

And we did that this year.

We did that for the year.

We did that for the quarter.

And so I feel our plans are really on track.

Okay.

Thanks for that.

Appreciate that.

In the comments today, you talked about improving the quality of the fabrics with unchanged retail price.

Does that have any margin impact or edge got to the point where margins that would that won't impact margins by improving the quality of your fabrics, but maintaining price?

Yes, that's a that's a great question, too.

And we kind of expected that that one today.

But we still it's definitely a good short answer to that is no, we are actually expecting our product margins to be about the same or a little bit better, and we have there.

And that's because of mix shift for sure, is one element.

And then another element is just the designs that we've we've just been able to design into them into styles that can highlight the fabrics of the new and improved fabrics that we're using and with less mix.

Okay.

Thank you.

And you also talked about the new full line format with a focus on lifestyle centers.

And I was wondering if you could just kind of give us what you meant by that or what you mean by.

So it just it is really just the alternative to our and in-mall format, which is currently the majority of our fleet.

And we would we would like to mix up that ratio and be in a little more lifestyle center.

So places that our shopping centers that are anchored with and Whole Foods and places where she's going all the time.

So you're all of this is is really centered around for Vera Bradley centered around the customer and understanding where she shops, not only from a specialty or lifestyle retailer point of view, but where she's going every day and how do we just get in more in the front of her mind and consideration set.

Okay.

And one more, if I may so 25 fiscal 25 is based on your guidance today, kind of going to be a replay of 24 from a financial point of view.

And I was just wondering what what do you think or what do you see could occur that might make 25 a better?

I'll come up from a financial point of view, then 24

Yes, Michael, you can take that number is going to Japan first.

I think the first and the biggest of this would be customer reaction on the other side of new day Com, we are being pretty diligent and judicious in our expectations, making sure that we've got an organization that's focused on delivering.

So to the extent that consumer reaction is obviously better than what we had planned.

That would obviously be better results as well.

I think additionally, as I mentioned in my forward-looking comments, we are anticipating some continued overhang, economic macroeconomic overhang we saw over the course of 2024, and we talked about this on prior calls, we saw sequential declines in traffic patterns across most of the year that continued through into the fourth quarter as well.

And that's reflected in a lot of other retailer results that have been released over the last week or two.

So we have continue to anticipate that some portion that's going to continue to hang over into 2025.

So if that outlook gets better, then, of course, the rising tide lifts all boats on that as well.

Great.

I appreciate you guys taking my questions and look forward to and interesting 2025.

Eric Beder with as CC research.

Good morning.

Morning AG, Florida and Palm.

So you've made tremendous progress in terms of reducing inventory levels.

And I gather from what I'm hearing in your guide that's going to start to level off?

How should we be thinking about the inventories going forward?

Broadly, as we guided broadly, we're expecting inventory to be relatively flat on a year end of year end basis in fiscal 25.

However, given what's going on underneath the surface that that will actually represent a bit of an improvement, we are doing a fairly substantial merchandise shift across our channels as part of launching new Dave, which will happen midyear.

Additionally, there there might be some additional unit, improved unit turnover improvements that I think will be under the surface beyond that as well.

And it was more to see as we go forward broadly, you should start to see sales and inventory patterns run similarly on the other side of that, but can we think that it will actually at year end flat will be actually some structural improvement under that.

Okay.

Tom, you talked about looking at the while you're adding storage is also talked about looking at the composition of the stores you have, what do you have in terms of lease expirations and flexibility to do that now and going forward?

That's a great question.

We have, gosh, every year we have a body of stores come up for renewal as we are approaching landlords at this juncture, we are finding a lot of receptivity to renegotiating lease terms as we as we move forward on broadly, there's a couple of closures that will happen this year on the full line side but broadly, we're very happy with the fleet as it is and are looking to continue to extend our stays that,

as Jackie mentioned, there's a body of work that we will be doing in our stores this coming year as part of New Day.

So there will be a lot of refreshing going on in our stores.

So that's part of the conversation as well.

And we've had we've started to have initial conversations with landlords.

And I think the landlords are excited about what we're doing and the outlook on both product and store refreshes.

Great.

Is the goal to have the refreshes done at the start of new day, or is that going to be an ongoing process?

I should be thinking about that.

I think the short answer to your question is yes, this is one of those that with all of the different refreshes across all of the different stores, it will not all exactly synchronize to the day of product arriving in the stores.

But we're working very diligently as a team to make sure that everything is coordinated as tightly as possible.

Okay.

And when we look at you've kind of hinted around this.

What should we be thinking in terms of the categories that are going to be in the stores are I think are you are we going to see less categories and a deeper focus?

I think you've kind of implied that, but I'd like to get kind of a timeframe and beyond travel, what are the key core categories that you want to be in?

Yes, that's a that's a great question, Eric.

And I think it's going to it'll vary a little bit from on the outlet the outlet segment to the full line segment.

So in outlet, and you'll largely see that the categories remain unchanged.

And you know, we're looking obviously, we have a lot of tests that are going on right now from a marketing store, merchandising, price points, discounts, everything a lot, a lot of tests around the outlet fleet now.

But largely you won't see a lot of difference in terms of product category breadth, and you will likely see some difference in offer breadth and reduction there.

And then on the full line side, really in the stores and there will be more of a focus on travel and bags on really that's where we looked at the data on.

That is the place where we're really owed businesses, bags and not as much backpacks.

And in backpacks, we kind of and maintained our business over the years.

But but true handbags, belts, bags, some of those little little more fashionable items, and we have not been as strong.

So you'll definitely see our commitment to travel, which is really the core of our brand, but then some extension into bags and then potentially some unproductive categories moving out of the full-line stores.

Okay.

And last one on Pura Vida.

So you mentioned opening some more stores in pure Vida.

Obviously, the sales have been tough.

So are you still seeing this strong results in the stores that you have opened, the mix and I guess the surrounding areas to justify more stores and what would be different on the stores you're opening now and the ones who did the first two or three?

Yes, that's a great question.

I'll take the first part and then I'll let Michael add if there's anything on.

So we still see that this is a pure Vida performance is largely it you can it's almost three different businesses in terms of the category results.

Our the channel results and retail is still strong and very profitable.

And e-commerce really is because so much of the business is in e-commerce.

And um, you know, the minute that we hit increased costs that that affect our new customer acquisition rate.

You definitely see challenges in the top line.

So but we still feel strongly about the stores and some of the stores that we opened last year are really good.

So we're kind of looking at how do we take that specific model and find the places on that are going to produce the same results.

So that's really what we're doing right now.

Anything to add,

I would add that we've seen some really good success in tourist oriented areas.

And as we look forward and are mapping out the next couple of stores.

That's a bit where focuses.

I think the upside from that from a broader branding and business perspective is it gives you a much bigger footprint national than it does just in the local market because you're tapping and people are coming into that area from all over the country.

Correct.

But guys look forward to seeing this all in July.

Thank you.

Thanks, Aaron.

And Dirk, as a reminder, it is star one on your telephone keypad.

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We will just pause for BOWMAN to see if there's any final questions with no further questions, I would like to hand the conference back over to Jackie for closing remarks.

Thank you, Sherry.

Our entire team is dedicated to returning the Company to profitable growth and generating strong cash flow through Project restoration, which should deliver value to our shareholders over the long term, we are on track with our project restoration initiatives.

Thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to sharing our progress with you on our first quarter earnings call on June 12th.

Thank you.

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