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  • Operator

  • Mm.

  • 2 Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Village Farms International 3rd quarter 2025 financial results conference call. This morning, Village Farms issued a news release reporting its financial results for the 3rd quarter and its September 30th, 2025. That news release, along with the company's financial statements, are available on the company's website at villagefarms.com under the investor's heading.

  • Please note that today's call is being broadcast live over the internet and will be archived for replay both by telephone and via the internet beginning approximately one hour following completion of the call. Details of how to access the replays are available in today's news release. Before we begin, let me remind you that forward-looking statements may be made today, during or after the formal part of this conference call. Certain materials assumptions were applied in providing these statements, many of which are beyond our control. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in forward-looking statements.

  • A summary of the summary of these underlying assumptions, risks, and uncertainties is contained in the company's various securities filings with the SEC and Canadian regulators, including its Form 10KMDNA for the year ended December 31, 2024, and 10Q for the quarter ended September 30th, 2025, which will be available on Edgar and Cedar Plus.

  • These forward-looking statements are made of today's date and except as required by applicable securities laws, we undertake no obligation to obligation to publicly update or revise any such statements. I would now like to turn the call over to Michael Digilio, Chief Executive Officer of Village Farms International. Please go ahead, Mr. Digigilio.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you, Cherie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

  • With me on the call are Steve Ruffini, our Chief Financial Officer, Anne Gillen LeFevre, our Chief Operating Officer, Patti Smith, our corporate controller, and SAM Gibbons, senior Vice President of Corporate Affairs. I'll begin with a review of highlights from the 3rd quarter.

  • Then Steve will review the financials in more detail before I provide some last closing comments.

  • As we discussed in this morning's earnings release, our 3rd quarter was another one of many records for Village Farms.

  • Our last quarter's call, we talked about our confidence in the sustainability of the positive trends we were seeing across the business as we continue executing and scaling a profitable global enterprise.

  • Today's results, only 3 months later, validate the expectations we discussed, and we remain confident that our competitive strengths combined with the incremental growth catalysts we see on the horizon.

  • Position us for a very strong future.

  • Consolidated net sales increased 21% year over year in Q3, and net income from continuing operations was $10.8 million or $0.09 a share, an increase of almost 10% sequentially compared to the record we set last quarter.

  • For the second consecutive quarter, we also achieved new records for adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin from continuing operations of $20.7 million and 31% of sales, and we continue to see excellent cash conversion with consolidated cash flow from operations of $24.4 million, another record for village farms.

  • Our Canadian cannabis business delivered 29% year over year growth in net sales, reaching a new high of $64.1 million in Q3, driven by strong performance in our targeted channels, improving sales mix, which has led to higher average pricing, and continued momentum in the international medical export division, which we were up more than 750% year over year.

  • What is enabling us to deliver these levels of performance?

  • Well, we believe it comes from 3 critical factors. First is our capabilities as a premier provider of quality and consistent cannabis flour at scale and at the lowest cost.

  • Second is our commitment to manufacturing excellence and our EUGMP capabilities. And finally, it's a tremendous execution of our global team.

  • Our execution on all fronts has been paramount to our success, and all the village Farm team members are worthy of considerable praise.

  • Canadian cannabis retail sales were in line with our expectations with stronger contribution margin from retail branded sales in Q3 driven by our recent success in aligning our product portfolio towards higher margin skews.

  • As a reminder, we first began discussing our plan to realign our product offerings towards the end of last year, as our analyst, analysis and consumer feedback suggested the quality of our flowers should command a higher price point.

  • Since that time, we've observed significant improvements in profitability and because of our deliberate move away from some value-oriented tiers of the market, and our core Pure Sun Farms brand has experienced steady growth in market share since last December.

  • We're pleased to be seeing relative stability and overall share performance as we begin to anniversary the implementation of these changes, and we're looking forward to benefiting from expanded production capacity next year, which will enable us to continue supporting growth in the Canadian market.

  • Our non-branded wholesale channel in Canada continued to show consistent top-line performance as we've observed for the past 7 quarters, and as mentioned previously, our international medical business continued to expand rapidly during the 3rd quarter with over 750% sales growth year over year.

  • Germany continues to be a driver of increasing international demand, and we believe we've expanded market share sequentially in this market during each of the past 4 quarters.

  • Based on local government data and internal estimates, we believe Village Farms is now the largest exporter of medical cannabis to Europe, and that we're well positioned long-term to continue expanding into new markets as additional countries around the world embrace the many benefits of regulated cannabis.

  • I also want to make clear that international business did not experience any disruptions to deliveries or order flow during the 3rd quarter. And in fact, the German government recently increased its import limit of medical cannabis by an additional 70 metric tons.

  • As a reminder, our Delta, British Columbia facility has been EUGMP certified since 2022.

  • This certification was recently renewed, which underscores our rigorous commitment to our operational excellence and enables us to ship directly to partners across the world who are seeking GMP flour. We have never shipped through Portugal, having identified this as a compliance and supply chain risk some time ago.

  • Our consistent product quality, potency, and reliability of on-time delivery of our products continues to differentiate village farms from our competitors on the global stage, and we expect to expand to multiple new international jurisdictions during the first half of next year.

  • As a reminder to investors who may be new to our story, we are only using approximately 35% of our nearly 5 million square feet of advanced greenhouses in Canada for cannabis production today.

  • We have proven our playbook in scaling out Delta BC production campus partly thanks to our nearly 40-year track record and highly intensive agriculture, and we have a strong labor force that knows how to execute and operate these facilities efficiently.

  • To support continued growth in Canada and abroad, the 40 metric ton capacity expansion project we announced last quarter is now underway, and we anticipate to increase our annual production capacity in Canada by approximately 33%.

  • The incremental capacity is expected to begin coming online in Q2 of next year and be fully ramped in early 2027.

  • At that time, 45% of our greenhouse capacity in Canada will be in full cannabis production, leaving our largest 60 acre Delta One greenhouse facility available for future phased conversion to cannabis beginning as early as 2027 if we deem necessary.

  • As many of increasing global demand for cannabis has currently resulted in a relatively supply constrained environment in the domestic Canadian market for much of the past year.

  • These dynamics have supported an improved pricing environment in.

  • And along with improvements in our operating efficiency, helped us achieve record gross margin with improved profitability in all our various sales channels during the 3rd quarter.

  • Excuse me.

  • Canadian cannabis gross margin of 56% was above the high end of our targeted range due to a variety of factors which Steve will discuss momentarily.

  • Our Q3's sales growth, improved gross margin performance, and continued cost discipline resulted in a 309% increase in adjusted EBITDA in Canadian cannabis to $19.3 million or 41% of sales.

  • We believe this sets an all-time quarterly record in profitability from continuing operations of any public Canadian cannabis company.

  • In the Netherlands, our first facility in Drachton reached full production capacity during Q3 and sales increased 44% sequentially with healthy profitability and cash generation.

  • We also expanded our market penetration in coffee shops sequentially with our products now in 91% of participating coffee shops, and we are continuing to introduce new products including several hash offerings and pre-rolls that we anticipate will enjoy popularity in one of the world's most famed cannabis markets.

  • Construction of our second and large Dutch facility.

  • Which will increase our total production capacity in the Netherlands fold, is progressing on schedule and remains on track to begin operating in late Q1 of next year.

  • We have been increasing headcount in the Netherlands during the fall to prepare for this expansion, and we anticipate incremental operating expenses at Ley Holland over the course of the next few quarters to support this growth.

  • However, as the phase 2 facility comes online, Through the first half of next year, we expect our Netherlands business to be a strong driver of revenue growth for us in 2026 and to help us maintain relative strength in our overall margin performance as compared to a majority of our public cannabis company peers.

  • In our produce business, sales were roughly flat after accounting for sales commissions paid to Vanguard Foods LP.

  • Our ongoing proto segment is now comprised almost entirely of our Delta 1 greenhouse operations, which historically has generated positive net income and cash flow and can still be converted to a cannabis facility in the future.

  • Our second and 3rd quarters will always be our seasonally strongest quarters for produce. Net income improved more than 4 fold in Q3 to $1.3 million and adjusted EBITDan improved nearly 50% to $2.5 million from $1.7 million.

  • Our US cannabis and clean energy segments also performed in line with our expectations during the quarter.

  • We are pleased with the incremental net income that clean energy contributes to the company, and we continue to believe that these segments, despite being small portions of our business today, there is meaningful potential for both of these businesses to provide investors with additional upside which we further believe differentiates Village Farms as an attractive investment opportunity.

  • As a reminder for anyone new to our story, we still have certain greenhouse assets in West Texas that we believe offer us a clear opportunity to replicate our success in Canada if and when US regulations allow.

  • Finally, as noted this morning on this morning's earnings call, we closed the quarter with approximately $88 million in cash on our balance sheet, reflecting an increase of nearly $23 million since the end of Q2 following another quarter of strong free cash flow generation.

  • Finally, our significantly improved cash flow generation profile and balance sheet strength gave our board of directors confidence to implement a share purchase repurchase program at the end of September as part of our balanced approach to capital allocation to drive shareholder returns.

  • We believe we are in an excellent position to continue growing and investing behind our business, and we see significant opportunities for us to continue profitably scaling our global cannabis enterprise in 2026 and beyond. I'll turn the call over to Steve to review the financials now. Steve.

  • Stephen Ruffini - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Director

  • Thanks, Mike. As a reminder, as of May 30th, some of our produce assets were privatized and are now classified as discontinued operations. Reported financial results for comparative prior periods have been adjusted accordingly.

  • I'll start with a review of our consolidated results. Consolidated net sales increased 21% to $66.7 million, driven by growth in our Canadian cannabis segment, as well as the second full quarter of contribution from our recreational cannabis sales in the Netherlands.

  • Net income from continuing operations improved to $10.8 million or $0.09 per share compared to a net loss of $800,000 or $0.01 per share in Q3 of last year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations was $20.7 million compared with $4.7 million in Q3 of last year, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 31% in the quarter compared to 8.5% in Q3 of last year.

  • Our cash flow from operations improved to $24.4 million compared with $6.1 million in Q3 of last year.

  • Turning now to our segmented results, I will start with Canadian cannabis, which I will discuss in CAD for comparative purposes.

  • Total net sales were $64.1 million for a 29% increase versus Q3 last year. The year on year improvement was driven by strong performances in our targeted channels, improved pricing, and continued momentum in our international medical exports, which increased 758% from Q3 last year to $16.3 million.

  • Canadian retail branded sales were $37 million in line with our expectations following the realignment of our product portfolio to higher marginskis.

  • Canadian cannabis gross margin was 56%, up from 26% in Q3 last year.

  • And well above the high end of our target range of 30 to 40%.

  • As Mike mentioned earlier, our improved gross margin was helped by favorable pricing as compared to the prior year, and we also benefited from increased international export sales, lower packaging inputs, improved productivity, and higher crop yields during the past summer growing season.

  • SGA SG&A expenses as a percentage of sales were 20%, an improvement of 22% last year as we continue to drive efficiency throughout our Canadian cannabis operations.

  • Q3 adjusted EBITDA for Canadian cannabis improved 309% year over year to our strongest performance ever at $26.6 million, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 41%, which was more than triple the 13% of last year.

  • Cash flow from operations increased 339% to $26.8 million, our strongest quarter of operating cash flow since we expanded into Canadian cannabis in 2017.

  • Finally, as we do each quarter, I will point out that in Q3 we paid Canadian excise taxes on our retail branded sales of $21.6 million, nearly 40% of retail branded sales and almost double our SG&A costs.

  • Turning now to our recreational canvas business in the Netherlands.

  • Q3 saw our second full quarter of sales from our Leey Holland operations. Sales were $3.6 million with the Josadi Bada of $1.3 million. Both meaningful increases quarter over quarter and firmly in line with our expectations.

  • With our phase 1 facility now operating at full capacity, we expect our Netherlands sales performance in Q4 to be similar to Q3, although with increased operating expenses, which Mike mentioned, we'll be rising into Q1 as we get ahead of our larger Phase 2 facility.

  • Turning now to our US cannabis business, Q3 sales of $3.3 million continues to reflect the impact of various state actions dealing with the ongoing proliferation of unregulated hemp products.

  • Gross margin was down slightly year over year at 60%, resulting in a small negative adjusted EBITDA for the quarter.

  • Having stabilized this business.

  • Amidst strong regulatory headwinds, we are working on a number of initiatives to invigorate sales of our responsible GMP produced natural hemp products.

  • In our continuing produce operations, sales decreased 10% year over year to $12.8 million, although this is a result of incurring a sales commission in 2025 to our privatized produce business. In previous years, we were the exclusive sales agent for our produce as well as for others.

  • However, our net income from continuing operations was up $1 million to $1.3 million with our adjusted EBD margin improving to $2.5 million.

  • I will remind investors that our produce operations in Q3 and through the remainder of this year reflect contributions from our Delta 1 greenhouse and half of our Delta 2 greenhouse. The Delta 2 tomato crop is being pulled this week for us to commence the conversion to cannabis production, which will bring our total operational square footage of cannabis production in Delta to 2.2 million square feet.

  • Turning to consolidated cash flows in the balance sheet, total cash flow from operations was $46.7 million through the first nine months of the year. We ended Q3 with cash of nearly $88 million which includes restricted cash of $5 million with a net cash position of $53 million.

  • Our total debt at the end of Q3 was $35 million. As noted in our 10 this morning, in August we paid down $3 million of US term debt as part of the produce privatization transaction. We had a blended borrowing rate of approximately 6.5% at the end of the quarter with additional debt capacity as we evaluate the most efficient ways to fund our growth.

  • Our healthy cash flow and strengthening balance sheet will enable us to continue supporting future expansion projects and as Mike mentioned, we'll also support the $10 million share repurchase program that our board approved at the end of September.

  • The program provides for the purchase of up to just under 5.7 million common shares, or 5% of our issued and outstanding shares as of the date of the announcement. Our management team and board believe this reflects a prudent and balanced approach to capital allocation to drive returns to shareholders. I will now turn the call back to Mike for some closing comments.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Well, thank you, Steve.

  • And thanks and congratulations to all the village team members around the world whose hard work, tenacity, and integrity are continuing to raise the bar for ourselves and our industry.

  • In addition to delivering record profitability in the Canadian cannabis industry, our performance this quarter also surpasses the profitability of any US operators who have reported thus far in this current earnings seasons. Village Farms is now one of the most profitable cannabis businesses on planet Earth, and we remain highly motivated to exceed our own expectations.

  • We are growing our business organically, funding our growth with our own cash generated from operations, and we believe we still have a considerable amount of future organic growth catalyst on our horizon.

  • We are confident in our ability to continue driving growth in revenue and EBITDA supported by our proven operational and manufacturing expertise, our culture of cost discipline, and continuous improvement, and of course, through the continued excellence and leadership of our people. I'm incredibly proud of all the progress our teams have made together this year.

  • And know that we are all looking forward to another strong year of growth in 2026.

  • Operator, that includes our prepared remarks and we'll take questions now.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press 11 again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one f question.

  • You may then return to the queue. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.

  • And our first question will come from the line of Erin Gray with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open.

  • Aaron Grey - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning.

  • Thank you for the questions and congrats on the strong quarter here.

  • First question for me, I want to talk a bit about cannabis gross margin 56%. I talked about some of the year over year improvement, but I want to talk even sequentially, right, some very strong improvement. So some of the drivers you saw there, we think about international mix, it's pretty similar quarter over quarter, but still saw, some pretty meaningful. Expansion there so is there some improvements in pricing and mix within international was some of the more meaningful operating efficiency? So just some of the specific drivers in in terms of some of the sequential trends there and then how best to think about that gross margin going forward and how sustainable gross margins, more close to these levels are.

  • Thank you.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thanks, Aaron. So, overall, we had improved efficiency, 11 of our DNA KPIs is continuous improvement on cost and efficiency. So that improved efficiency and productivity. We had higher crop yields we normally do in the summer than the winter. Favorable pricing as I mentioned compared to the prior year tied to mostly a function of, Skew mix which mentioned on the call.

  • Lower packaging inputs and improved margins and of course, international export which has solid margins. Those were key drivers to those results and you want to add some color? I think you covered it.

  • Thank you.

  • As far as gross margin, we, as we said, our sweet spot is always 30 to 40% because you have to look long-term. There's always different.

  • Ebb and flows in the market, but, we are always trying to exceed that, but we're not really changing, that guidance between 30 and 40. This was a strong quarter for us and we'll certainly take it and we're going to always strive to exceed, but we're going to stick to those, that sweet spot we mentioned, consistently over the last few years.

  • Aaron Grey - Analyst

  • Okay, great, appreciate that and then on the international front, we're thinking about the top-line, can you mention in terms of the competitive environment maybe some of you mentioned that you haven't had as many issues but have some of the supply challenges from some of your peers you're hearing about or some of the quality issues has that provided you, more of an opportunity to take meaningful, share gains within the past two quarters and, how it seems like you think. That's pretty sustainable over the near to medium term, with Delta, second half of Delta 2 coming online and even some emphasis to potential for Delta 1 coming online, in 2027. So maybe talking about some of the dynamics you're seeing internationally and what's making you so constructive, at least in the near to medium term for some continued opportunities there. Thanks.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, well, I think, it's still an asset industry. I mean, when I look at the cannabis business 10 or 15 years from now, it's going to be interesting to see how it segments from commercial side, innovation side to cultivation, but at this stage, cultivation rules, I mean, at the end of the day, you have to be able to consistently perform super high-quality every single day.

  • And we always strive to do that at the lowest possible cost. Our original business model, was based on that, and, the team is executing.

  • So, without having consistent, solid, good quality, nothing else really matters. That coupled with EUGMP, the team has executed brilliantly. We had a, renewal after our 1st 3 years with flying colors and we're actually expanding that whole EUGMP processing side for the future. And then, First, and then coupled with, it's not so much of, as I said in my comments, 123, you have to have all three, sort of like a three-legged stool. If one of those legs fall off, you topple over and the final one is the execution of the team, both on the commercial, international side and on the cultivation manufacturing side. And I think that's what we've communicated from day one when we got into cannabis and it's a matter of how well you can execute.

  • Aaron Grey - Analyst

  • Okay, great, appreciate the call. I'll go ahead and jump back in the queue.

  • Operator

  • One moment for our next question.

  • That will come from the line of Federico Gomes with ATB Capital Markets. Your line is open.

  • Frederico Gomes - Analyst

  • Hi, good morning. Congrats on the outstanding quarter here. Thanks for taking the questions. First question on the Netherlands, very strong performance, and I just hit it out there. So I guess just two questions there. One is, gross margin declined a bit sequentially. So could you talk about what drove that decline if it's related to mix or or investment or something else. And then second question on the Netherlands as well. I know that you have a 30 to 40% gross margin target for Canadian cannabis, but I'm curious about if you have the same sort of target for the Netherlands, long-term. Thanks.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Hi Fre Federico, yeah, we absolutely have the the same goals on the gross margin long-term for the Netherlands. It's a, it's a startup. I mean, we just started producing in the end of the 1st, second quarter. So, when you really look at some of the competitors and taking years if not decades to ramp up their business, I think we've done pretty well within. The 1st year, it hasn't even been a year of cultivation, so you'll definitely see some lumpiness as we get stable going forward. So I think that shouldn't reflect that we're coming off on gross margin in any given quarter over the long-term.

  • Frederico Gomes - Analyst

  • Thank you. And then second question on Germany, you mentioned you you gained market share sequentially there in each of the past four quarters. So, could you provide maybe, a number in terms of where you think your market share is right now and, whether you think that, market share momentum is going to continue, in terms of gaining shares sequentially over the next few quarters.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Well, I'm never going to, first of all, we're not putting out what we think the market share is, but I.

  • I wouldn't be surprised if we're #1 in whatever that market share number is and the reason I don't want to comment it is because there really are no clear statistics as of yet, so I would be just surmising it at this point, but I believe we're by far the number 1 market share in Germany and I think for the reasons I mentioned earlier and in my remarks, well, and to answer Aaron's question as well. I think that we took an approach.

  • And let's control what we can control, and that's where we believe we differentiate ourselves. We didn't look at Portugal. We thought Portugal was a risk and a liability both in supply chain regulatory side. So we just built our business for Europe based on our own production, our own people direct to our customers. And I think that seems to be a winning formula at this point in time. And I believe the German market's going to continue to grow, as well going forward.

  • Frederico Gomes - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • One moment for our next question.

  • And that will come from the line of Pablo Zuanic with Zuanic and Associates. Your line is now open.

  • Pablo Zuanic - Analyst

  • Thank you and good morning everyone. Look, my question is, really a three part question on Texas. I mean, obviously in my interpretation, the regulatory changes in the medical program there are quite favorable, especially for the 3 incumbents there, right? There may be 15 more licenses issued, but.

  • There will be a bit of a lag, a a time lag for those new licenses, not even clear when they will be issued. So I just want to have a sense of how aggressive is Village Farms willing to be in Texas, in terms of M&A activity. And what could that mean for your NASDAQ listing? How would you think about that? Because when we look at, canopy growth of SNDL, it seems that other companies have not been willing to give up their NASDAQ listing. But I mean, what can you say publicly on this topic?

  • Thank you.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Well, good morning, Pablo.

  • I'm going to first let Steve answer a couple of the first points on Texas and then we could kind of come back to some others. So, regarding the Republic of Texas, Steve, comments? Yeah.

  • Stephen Ruffini - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Director

  • We're certainly anticipating, and excited, and understand that the Department of Public Safety is still online to issue its licenses.

  • In on December 1st, so we should hopefully know something, but.

  • Unidentified Company Representative

  • That would be 12 additional, yeah.

  • Stephen Ruffini - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Director

  • 12 additional, so you know we'll see if they keep on their timeline. We've heard nothing to the contrary of that.

  • Texas has improved its medicinal. Definition, and expanded the illnesses that, can access the system. That being said, it's not quite as open as something like Florida, but we are certainly excited about the opportunity.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Yeah, and I think regarding NASdaq, we feel very confident that we can find a suitable structure going forward. We've been working on that for a couple of years. So, when and if we'll probably move forward but we're not going to jeopardize at any time on NASDAC listing problem.

  • Pablo Zuanic - Analyst

  • Okay, no, that's good.

  • Thank you, understood. And then the second question just regarding Quebec, the province of Quebec, I think you've said in the past it's about 4 40% of your revenues. I don't know if it's 40% of your Canadian. Domestic earnings on the cannabis side, but, there's been some regulatory changes there. Vape is allowed now. I think there were other regulatory changes on caps, maybe more stores, what's your outlook for Quebec province and how are you positioned to benefit? And if you can correct me if I'm wrong in terms of, the percentage, the relevance of Quebec to your business, on the recreational side.

  • Thank you.

  • Unidentified Company Representative

  • Pablo, good morning. It's Anne. Quebec's very important, but your numbers on the high side. It's not 40% of total cannabis. We've traditionally been a little bit higher than the spread of, revenue across provinces just to give you some sense of that. There are some changes coming. Vape is one of the big changes we think the SQDC has done a great job of assessing where they're, not able to grab the listed or legacy market share, and that was this is going to be a big form factor to move into the private market or sorry, the, legal market, and we are participating in that as we go forward.

  • Pablo Zuanic - Analyst

  • Right, thank you. Look, I'm going to ask, add a 3rd 1. I know it's only 2, but let me break the rule this one time. On the Dutch side, I know that there's 10 licenses on the production side, but it seems that not all of them are up and running. Some of them have had problems. It seems that you are one of the few. That's actually expanding capacity in this case about 5 times. So it seems that you're in a very good position, right? And that other people that maybe started first are in a weaker position now. Do you want to comment on the competitive landscape on the production side in Holland right now?

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Sure. Well, I think 8 are in production, 2 more will be coming on in the next, quarter or so. I think of the 10, 1 will probably be more of a light asset model. There are issues with others, quite a few that I've heard of. .

  • But that can always be an opportunity for us, but, we're very focused on, getting, as I said, this next facility will increase our capacity fivefold. So our focus is getting it up and running.

  • Called walk run, and then, we'll see what opportunities lie ahead and we're very excited about those opportunities in the future in the Netherlands for us as well, Pablo. Okay.

  • Pablo Zuanic - Analyst

  • All right, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you.

  • Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at the in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Gilo for any closing remarks.

  • Michael DeGiglio - President, Chief Executive Officer, Director

  • Thank you. Okay, thank you again for joining us today and we hope you have a wonderful holiday season. We look forward to our next update for year end in March.

  • And wishing everybody a happy New Year as well.

  • Thank you, operator.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's program.

  • Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.