Versabank (VBNK) 2024 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome to VersaBank first quarter fiscal 2024 financial results conference call.

This morning, VersaBank issued a news release reporting its financial results for the first quarter ended January 31, 2024.

That news release, along with the bank's financial statements, MD&A and supplemental financial information are available on the bank's website in the Investor Relations section as well as on SEDAR+ and EDGAR.

Please note that in addition to the telephone dial-in, VersaBank is webcasting this morning's conference call.

The webcast is listen-only.

(Operator Instructions)

I would like to remind our listeners that the statements about future events made on this call are forward-looking in nature and are based on certain assumptions and analysis made by VersaBank management.

Actual results could differ materially from our expectations due to various material risks and uncertainties associated with VersaBank's businesses.

Please refer to VersaBank's forward-looking statement advisory in today's presentation.

I would now like to turn the call over to David Taylor, President and Chief Executive Officer of VersaBank.

Please go ahead, Mr. Taylor.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for today's call.

With me for the first time on these calls as our new Chief Financial Officer, John Asma, who was appointed to that role in December.

Before I begin, I'd like to remind you that our financial results are reported and will be discussed on this call in our reporting currency of Canadian dollars.

For those interested, we provide US dollar translations for most of our financial numbers in our standard investor presentation, which will be updated and available on our website shortly.

Now for the highlights.

Our first quarter results continued to demonstrate the significant and increasing operating leverage in our highly efficient branchless business to business digital banking model. 22% year over year growth in total assets generated 35% year over year growth in net income, marking another new quarterly record for profitability.

And that, combined with our continued focus on management of our fixed costs drove both year over year and sequential improvement in our efficiency ratio to a new record of 40% and 24% year over year increase in average return on common equity to 13.4%.

Notably, Q1 was a solid quarter for our point-of-sale receivables purchase program business, which expanded by a healthy 7% sequentially as the HVAC home improvement sector, which makes up the largest components of our point-of-sale portfolio, continues to see robust consumer activity

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That contributed to another record high for total assets of $4.3 billion, another meaningful step towards our next milestone of $5 billion and the continued outsized positive impact of our efficiency, our profitability and our return on equity.

Taking a closer look at Q1 numbers, even with a continued very healthy year over year growth.

I will highlight that our Q1 numbers were dampened slightly by a temporary contraction of our noncore real estate lending portfolio compared to the end of Q4.

You have heard me say in prior calls that we will always look to be opportunistic with our real estate portfolio, expanding and contracting our portfolio depending on opportunities and risks within the market.

You've also heard me say that we would be happy to trade lower net interest margin for return on equity if such opportunities arise.

Such a situation recently emerged and the evolving regulatory environment has created an opportunity to transition the focus of our real estate portfolio from higher yielding higher risk weighted real estate loans to zero risk weighted CMHC insured real estate loans.

We are trading net interest margin for return on equity.

This is a great example of our ability of our bank to be flexible and agile to drive additional shareholder value.

As we begin this transition in Q1, we saw our real estate portfolio temporarily contract from Q4 as we ran off old loans ahead of deploying capital to new zero risk-weighted loans.

We expect that this strategic adjustment will enhance the return on equity and contribute to stronger growth in subsequent quarters throughout the year.

With our very low cost source of funds throughout insolvency professional deposits, we have a distinct competitive advantage in the CMHC market.

The other item I would note is some ongoing softness in our net interest margin.

This is a natural outcome of the growth of the point of sale portfolio, which has lower margins, but higher risk weighted returns than our real estate portfolio.

So as points of sale portfolio growth, we have less net interest margin, but we make up the profitability on volume.

It's also a natural outcome of the growth of our wealth management deposits relative to our lower cost insolvency professional deposits to fund strong growth in our loan portfolio.

The good news at least for us less for Canadians is that our low cost and solvency progress on deposits as expected are expanding as the number of consumer and small business insolvencies continues to increase and in fact, both the size of these deposits and the number of accounts is now at an all-time high.

And this is as we continue to see the significant increase in solvency is based on recent data, which is leading indicator for our insolvency deposits.

Accordingly, according to statistics, Canada insolvencies in Canada in January were up 34% from the prior year and up 14% from December.

We have seen that reflected in our insolvency deposit accounts, which we are opened by trustees, ahead of being filled with actual deposits, which were up 18% year over year and 6% sequentially.

This will go some way towards supporting stronger net interest margins going forward.

As our Canadian point-of-sale receivable purchase program business continues to see steady growth.

We are increasingly encouraged by the very positive feedback we continue to receive from potential US partners for this unique and attractive solution.

In fact, we just returned from the annual KBW Fintech Conference in New York City last week where we once again have the opportunity to introduce ourselves to a number of potential partners.

Our meetings continue to confirm that there is a massive unmet need for our solution and potential partners are eager for us to enter the US market.

With respect to the approval process for our proposed acquisition of US-based Stearns Bank Holdingford, the process does continue to move forward.

We continue to have productive engagement with the US regulators and we remain optimistic as we have been at any time throughout this entire process about the prospects for a favorable outcome.

With three weeks left in the calendar quarter, while we still think it's possible that we could receive a decision before March 31, we have adjusted our expectations for the second calendar quarter of this year.

We continue to do everything we can to advance the process as quickly as possible.

But respect the need for regulators to be thorough and we continue to appreciate the patience of our shareholders.

I'd now like to turn the call over to John to review the financial results in detail.

John?

Thank you, David.

Before I begin, I will remind you that our financial statements and MD&A for the first quarter are available on our website under the Investors Section as well as on SEDAR and EDGAR.

And as David mentioned, all of the following numbers are reported in Canadian dollars as per our financial statements unless noted otherwise.

Now turning to the balance sheet.

Starting with the balance sheet, total assets at the end of the first quarter of fiscal 2024 grew 22% year over year and 3% sequentially.

To a new high of $4.3 billion.

Cash and securities were $260 million or 6% of total assets, down slightly from 7% from both Q1 last year and Q4 of last year.

Book value per common share increased to a new high of $14.46. Our CET1 ratio increased to 11.39% and our leverage ratio was 8.44%, both well above our internal targets.

Turning to the income statement, total consolidated revenue increased 11% year over year, but decreased 1% sequentially to $28.9 million.

The year over year increase was driven primarily by higher net interest income as our digital banking loan portfolio continues to grow, while the sequential decrease was mainly due to the impact of lower gross profits from Digital Boundary Group to a attributable to a seasonally lower service engagements in the current quarter.

Consolidated net interest expense was $12 million, down from $12.3 million for Q1 of last year and $12.4 million for Q1 of last year sorry, Q4 of last year, I'm sorry.

As management continues to focus on managing the fixed expenses line across the business.

Consolidated net income for Q1 increased 35% year over year to a record $12.7 million and was up 2% from Q4 of 2023.

As David mentioned, notwithstanding the healthy growth, Q1 profitability was slightly dampened by the temporary impact of the transition of real estate loans to higher return opportunities.

Consolidated incurred -- consolidated earnings per share increased 41% year over year and 2% sequentially to $0.48 also a record with year over year increase benefiting from a lower number of shares outstanding due to the buyback program we had in place during fiscal 2023.

The loan portfolio grew just shy of $4 billion at the end of Q1, driven once again by our point of sale receivable purchase program, which increased 28% year over year and 7% sequentially to $3.1 billion.

Our point-of-sale portfolio represents 78% of our total loan portfolio at the end of Q1, up slightly from the end of fiscal 2023.

Our commercial real estate portfolio expanded 9% year over year, but was down 7% sequentially to $831 million at the end of Q1, with the sequential decline due to the recalibration of our real estate portfolio.

As a reminder, our real estate portfolio is primarily mortgages and construction loans for residential properties, we have very little exposure commercial use properties.

Turning to the income statement for digital banking operations, net interest margin on loans that is excluding cash and securities was 2.63%.

That was 40 basis points or 13% lower on a year over year basis and 6 basis points or 2% sequentially.

Net interest margin overall including the impact of cash and securities and other assets decreased 35 basis points year over year or 12% and decreased 6 basis points or 2% sequentially to 2.48%.

As David discussed, Q1 net interest margin was lower primarily due to the strong growth of the POS financing portfolio, which is comprised of lower risk weighted lower yielding, but higher return on common equity assets than commercial real estate, as well as the trends transitory impact of the transition of the real estate loans to the higher return opportunities.

With respect to cost of funds, cost of funds for Q1 was 3.99%, up 104 basis points year over year and up 13 basis points sequentially.

Cost of funds again was somewhat elevated in Q1 due to the elevated rates for term deposits.

Going forward, we expect to increasingly benefit from the continued expansion of our insolvency professional deposits as insolvency activity in Canada continues steadily increase.

Our provisions for credit losses or PCL in Q1 remained negligible at negative 0.01% on average loans compared to 0.05% last year and with a 12 quarter average of 0%.

I'll now briefly turn to DRTC.

On a stand-alone basis, Digital Boundary Group Q1 revenue increased 24% year over year to $2.9 million and gross profits increased 31% to $2.1 million, both due to higher service engagements.

DBG also remained profitable within DRTC.

Total DRTC revenue, including that from services provided to digital banking operations increased 36% year over year and down -- and was down 32% sequentially to $2.5 million. DRTC's

net income of $435,000 was an improvement over the net loss of $516,000 a year ago, but down from a net income of $1.2 million in Q4 of last year.

I'd now like to turn the call back to David for some closing remarks.

David?

Thanks, John.

Building on 2023, which was by far our best year in the history of the bank, fiscal 2024 is off to a very solid start.

The year is unfolding slightly ahead of expectations for our point of sale receivable purchase program providing continued confidence in our ability to surpass our next total asset milestone of $5 billion during 2024 fiscal year and the efficiency and return on equity that naturally fall out of that as we hold increases on our fixed costs to more or less in line with inflation.

Notably, we should achieve this $5 billion milestone before any potential contribution from the broad launch of the RPP in US, should we receive favorable regulatory approval for our proposed US acquisition.

While we do continue to see some signs of potential slowdown in the broader economy due to the current interest rate environment, we are seeing resiliency in the sectors in which we participate.

Hence, our confidence in our growth outlook for this year.

Q1 positions VersaBank for another year of healthy growth and profitability.

As I mentioned earlier, we expect to recapture the dampened profitability in Q1 throughout the year as we capitalize on the zero risk weight is CMHC insured mortgage opportunity.

Again, we may trade some net interest margin for return on equity.

The more successful we are with the zero risk weighted CMHC loan program, the more we still continues to have by far the highest net interest margin amongst Canadian banks.

And unlike our peers, we give nothing back for loan losses.

And as noted earlier, we expect some favorable impact on cost of funds as the increase in solvency activity should drive continued expansion of this low-cost deposit source.

Provisions for credit losses should of course, remain low with the start of the year tending to a negative provision as a result of our highly risk-mitigated lending practices.

In particular, the holdback model for the point of sale receivable purchase program and loans and leases.

Finally, we are seeing solid momentum in our cyber security services subsidiary, which we expect to continue throughout the year.

This remains tremendous opportunity in a rapidly growing market, and we expect continued growth and success going forward.

With that, I'd like to open the call to questions.

Operator?

(Operator Instructions)

David Feaster, Raymond James.

Hi, good morning, everybody.

Good morning, David.

I just wanted to start out maybe with all the moves that you guys have done.

You talk about kind of shifting towards lower risk, lower yielding, but lower risk, less capital intensive lending.

You've done a great job driving operating leverage and taking expenses out.

Just kind of given the scalability of the platform, I'm just curious, how do you think about the profitability profile as we look forward in the next year or two.

Where do you think profitability kind of shakes out?

Well, it probably growth at the pace that you've been seeing in the last year and this quarter improved somewhat.

The ROE will increase fairly dramatically, we're shooting for about 16.5% once we get to the $5 billion milestone.

And that's because these CMHC mortgages absorb no capital and they're easily matched against the insolvency portfolio.

The insolvency portfolio is priced at approximately prime minus two, and the CMHC construction mortgages average around prime minus -- 25 basis points.

So it nets the bank 175 basis points with a perfect match and that's sort of free from a return on equity point of view.

That's helpful.

And then maybe just touching on the point of sale growth, growth accelerated this quarter.

Curious if we could talk maybe a bit about some of the drivers behind that.

How much is demand from existing partners adding new partners, additional growth in the US and just kind of any health color on the health of the consumer in Canada and kind of how you think about the break down between Canadian growth and US growth, even exclusive of Sterns.

Well, that was primarily from existing partners in Canada and the biggest driver was the HVAC home improvement area, which tends to be super prime or prime Canadians looking to replace inefficient furnaces and such with the new energy efficient furnaces and more insulation.

So it's about 70%-odd of our portfolio and our flows from that area.

And that's what sort of dampened the impact of sort of recessionary time or higher interest rates, folks are still quite rightly believing that they should it makes economic sense to replace an old furnace, so that's helped.

Now this is normally a down quarter for us on point-of-sale and in Canada, there's a little less activity when it's winter than there is in the spring, summer, and fall.

So this bodes well with the 7% sequential growth quarter over quarter and we're not into the springtime warmer climes, that tend to bring people out to used car lots and new car lots and all the things you buy in the summertime.

So it bodes well, but that's strictly the Canadian market.

We haven't done much in the US market, we're just sort of waiting patiently for our US banking license.

So that we can expand that market.

Good job.

And then just wanted to get an update on DRT Cyber.

It sounds like revenues are seasonally slower as expected, less a little less inter-company work.

But curious how the pipeline is, how is demand trending and just any new products or additions or just kind of expansion of that business that you're working on.

In the cyber security business it is growing 20%, 30% and with the rate we're at now, it probably end up in around USD10 million in revenue this year.

It's getting pretty close to that in a down in the seasonally down quarter.

We always working on improving our product offering the cyber security area, but there are some products that we have in DRT Cyber, such as VersaVault that we talked about a few years ago.

I think we're the first in world to create a digital vault that's ideally suited for storing crypto currency keys and such a Bitcoin keys.

And that is empty, the Vault is empty in that we see that as being incompatible business with our from our banking operations.

But that Vault is, if it was to be used by somebody else perhaps, it would be ideal for this resurging interest in Bitcoin.

That's what it was designed for to facilitate the storage of those, what are getting to be very high value digital assets.

That's great.

Thank you all.

That's good, David.

Thank you.

I'm in Florida, by the way.

I'm in your neck of the woods.

(Operator Instructions)

Mike Rizvanovic, KBW.

Hi, good morning.

Just wanted to start on the right

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Good morning, Mike.

Good morning, David.

A quick question on the POS in Canada and thanks for the color.

I think you've given us a pretty good sense of demand and how trends are moving directionally.

But just in terms of your partnerships, do you have capacity to add anything that would be meaningful?

I'm just thinking through perhaps a potential slowdown with your existing partner base.

Can you supplement that with some sort of growth that comes from additional partners or have you sort of run the gamut on that and you're saturating the Canadian market?

No, we think there's some ideal partners that should be dealing with us that aren't yet.

So I'd like them to sort of tried and see if they like it and has been in the past with the others they probably will like it and start utilizing us, but there's still some partners left in Canada for us to deal with.

In the States, there's a huge number sort of lined up at the door.

The KBW conference that you guys sponsored and thank you for the invitation in New York City.

I must have met at least a dozen ideally suited partners that, some are actually very optimistic with our operations in Canada and are keenly interested.

So in Canada, we've still got some room to grow with partnerships and in the United States, we have a tremendous opportunity.

Okay.

But is it fair to say that you're not really seeing anything in the near term in the pipeline in Canada, you're sort of running with the existing partner base.

That's true.

We are working on some new partnerships that actually are in the states they are sort of keen, that despite us not yet have in the US license we're sort of cobbling together a Canadian solution for them, even despite them offering in the states.

Okay, that's helpful.

And then just one quick one on Sterns and the timing of the close.

And I fully understand why there has been such a long delay just given what happened last year with the US regional banking sector.

And I'm just wondering you sound confident on the closing and I appreciate the conservative viewpoint on saying that it probably lands in the second calendar quarter.

But is there any risk at all that this does not get approved in your view.

I'm not sure if you can even make that commitment on that commentary.

But is there any potential roadblock could derail the acquisition altogether?

Well, I'd never say never, I think there is tiny risk that it wouldn't close.

But being a sort of a quantitative guy go 99.9% chance it will close.

I don't know of any impediments to close.

I think the product we're offering to United States is unique and will have a huge benefit for the US economy, the point-of-sale companies that we're talking to provide a good portion of point-of-sale financing in the states, and what we're providing them with is an economical alternative source of funds.

They already have sources of funds, of course, but ours is kind of new mousetrap.

It's efficient to probably have to have less equity and less liquidity and that we can buy loans and leases and return almost a real time basis.

So it's very attractive product.

I think the US regulators realize that, we're bringing something to their economy that they'll be very helpful.

And you'll find in the final analysis, it means some more economical pricing for small businesses and consumers as our funds flow through the model.

Appreciate that.

I'll take that 99.9% to reflect a very confident view at this stage.

Thank you, David.

Yeah, that's -- like I said in the banking world, you don't ever want to say 100%, right.

I would say it's pretty close to that.

I can't think of any reason why the US regulators wouldn't want us to present this product to their consumers and small businesses.

It's worked well in camp for the last dozen years and they work for just as well, maybe even a little bit better given the size of the market and the solution that we're providing has been refined over the last few years.

Thank you, David.

I really appreciate the color.

No problem like good.

It might drop in Toronto, right don't feel bad, but I had to come down here to Florida to catch up on a few things.

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(Operator Instructions)

Stephen Ranzini, University Bank.

Hi, David congratulations to you and your team on another great quarter.

I was just curious if you could provide some color around the status of getting approval for buying back more shares.

Well, Steve, it's not on the list of our things to do right now.

We put that program on pause in that term as our share price tends is tending to go over book value.

The great opportunity we had in the past three quarters of book isn't there anymore and it's quite likely I think, I'm little bit prejudiced on this.

I think the stock price should continue upward to well over booked up value.

Secondly, we're sort of in a static scenario, while our applications is sent to finish the purchase of Stearns Bank Holdingford and not looking to enter us another variable into our capital.

All right.

Thanks so much, David, and keep up the great work.

Well, thank you, Steve.

It's hopefully, it's warming up in Michigan.

Well, it was 75 the other day, is like summer in the middle of the winter.

Bringing on that global warming.

Very, very unusual weather.

Yes.

We will take it.

Well, it's cool.

Every day in Michigan that it doesn't snow is a good day.

Indeed.

Well, good talking to you, Steve.

Thank you.

And there are no further questions at this time.

I will turn the call back over to David for closing remarks.

Well, thank you again for everybody for signing in to join us for this call.

And I look forward to speaking to you at the time of our second quarter results.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today.

We thank you for joining, and you may now disconnect your lines.

Thank you.