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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Unum Group first-quarter 2012 earnings results conference. Just a reminder that today's program is being recorded. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions I would like to turn the conference over to the Senior Vice President, Investor Relations, Mr. Tom White. Please, go ahead sir.

  • Tom White - SVP, IR

  • Great. Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone and welcome to the first quarter 2012 analyst and investor conference call for Unum Group. Our remarks this morning will include forward-looking statements which are statements that are not of current or historical fact. As a result, actual results might differ materially from results suggested by these forward-looking statements. Information concerning factors that could cause results to differ appears in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and are also located in the section titled Cautionary Statement Regarding Forward-Looking Statements and Risk Factors in our annual report on form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2011.

  • Our SEC filings can be found in the Investors section of our website at www.unum.com. I would also remind you that statements in today's call speak only as of the date they are made and we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. A presentation of the most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures included in today's presentation can be found on our website also in the Investors section. Participating in this morning's conference call are Tom Watjen, the President and CEO of Unum, Rick McKenney, Executive Vice President and CFO, and also the presidents of our three business segments, Kevin McCarthy, for Unum US, Randy Horn, for Colonial Life, and Jack McGarry, for Unum UK. Now I'll turn the call over to Tom Watjen.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Tom and good morning. While our overall results were somewhat below our expectations, the vast majority of our businesses met or exceeded expectations and I sum up the quarter as follows. First, we grew operating earnings per share by 4.3% with solid performance in our Unum US and Colonial businesses which was offset somewhat by the lower-than-expected performance in our Unum UK and Closed Block segments. While this quarter's growth in operating earnings per share was below our outlook, we expect growth trends to improve throughout the year and we are therefore maintaining our 6% to 12% operating earnings growth per share outlook for 2012, though at the low end of the range.

  • Second, our core business segments generated healthy returns on equity of between 13.5% and 17.5% for the first quarter. Additionally, we are seeing signs of improving growth trends across these businesses. At Unum US, we saw solid sales results in the two segments targeted for growth, our core Group and Voluntary Benefit lines, which were up 14% in the first quarter, an improvement over the 8.3% growth rate in 2011. Colonial Life sales were somewhat below our expectations but we are seeing positive trends in the core commercial market, a targeted market for us, and our overall premium grew almost 6% in the quarter. Finally with firming in the pricing environment in the UK, we are seeing better new sales opportunities in that market.

  • Thirdly, I'd point out that our position remains strong with risk-based capital of 406% and holding company cash and marketable securities of $575 million. This gives us significant financial flexibility, flexibility that allowed us to repurchase $175 million of stock during the first quarter. Since year-end 2007, we have repurchased over $1.8 billion of stock and reduced our shares outstanding by over 20%. And lastly, with our relatively consistent cash flow generation from operations, as you know, we have also established a pattern of returning capital to our shareholders through regular dividend increases. You saw yesterday that we announced a 23.8% increase in our quarterly dividend which brings our cumulative dividend increase since year-end 2007 to over 73%.

  • In summary, in spite of the results in our Unum UK and Closed Block businesses, we continue to feel good about where things stand at the Company. We are growing operating earnings per share, generating attractive returns on equity, and maintaining the financial flexibility needed to consistently return capital to our shareholders. I can assure you that we will be very focused on improving the performance of those areas not meeting our expectations while also though building on the momentum we have established around the rest of the Company.

  • Now, I'll ask Tom to provide an overview on operating results. Tom?

  • Tom White - SVP, IR

  • Great. Thank you, Tom. As we discuss our financial results this quarter, I'll first remind you that prior-period results have been adjusted for our retrospective adoption of the accounting standards update for deferred acquisition costs and also for our treatment of the non-operating retirement-related gains and losses which we now exclude from the operational performance of our businesses. Adjusted prior-period results are available on our website in an 8-K and supplemental exhibit which we filed on April 17. As a benchmark for full-year 2011, our after tax operating income per share -- and this is adjusted for the retrospective adoption of the DAC accounting standards update and excluding the after-tax nonoperating retirement-related losses, after-tax realized investment gains and losses and certain other items -- was $2.98 per share.

  • As you can see from our press release yesterday afternoon, we reported net income of $213.9 million for the first quarter of 2011, or $0.73 per diluted common share compared to net income in the year-ago quarter of $223.6 million or $0.71 per diluted common share. Included in net income for the first quarter 2012 are after-tax, nonoperating retirement-related losses of $7.6 million and net realized investment gains of $8.3 million. Included in last year's first quarter, our nonoperating retirement-related losses of $5.2 million and net realized investment gains of $9.7 million. So excluding these items, after-tax operating income was $213.2 million for the quarter, or $0.73 per diluted common share, compared to $219.1 million or $0.70 per diluted common share in the year-ago quarter.

  • Now turning to the operating segments, operating income for the Unum US segment increased 5.8% to $205.9 million in the first quarter and premium income increased by 4%, driven by positive comparisons in all three lines of business within this segment. Operating income in the Group Disability line was $74.7 million in first quarter of 2012 compared to $73.8 million last year as a 1% increase in premium income helped offset a 1 percentage point increase in the benefit ratio. The increase in premium income, which is the first year-over-year increase in several years, resulted from the recent favorable sales trends, solid persistency, and also a slight benefit we experienced this quarter from employment and wage growth in our inforce customer base.

  • The Group Disability benefit ratio increased to 84.9% from 83.9% in the year-ago period due primarily to unfavorable risk experience in the short-term disability line of business and the impact of the new claim discount rate adjustments that we made during third quarter last year. Within the Group Life and AD&D line, operating income increased 1.6% to $52.4 million in the first quarter, benefiting from an increase of 7.1% in premium income which offset an increase in the benefit ratio to 72% from 70% last year. The increase in the benefit ratio was due to higher incidence rates. In the Supplemental and Voluntary line, first quarter income increased 13.7% to $78.8 million. The year-over-year improvement was driven primarily by solid growth in premium income and favorable risk experience in each of these product lines. Premium growth grew by 6.4% this quarter.

  • Moving to Unum UK, operating income in this segment declined to GBP24.7 million from GBP30.4 million in the year-ago quarter. The benefit ratio increased to 72.4% from 69.3% in year-ago quarter while premium income and local currency increased by 4.2%. And Rick will examine the UK results in greater detail in his comments. Concluding our core operations, Colonial Life reported an increase in operating income of 4.8% this quarter to $69.7 million, driven by premium growth of 5.7%, which offset a slight increase in the benefit ratio to 52.1% from 51.4% a year ago.

  • The results for the Closed Block segment this quarter showed a decline in operating income to $15.4 million from $31.9 million in the year-ago quarter. The interest-adjusted loss ratio for the individual disability block was 83.1% compared to 84.7% last year, while the interest-adjusted loss ratio for long-term care was 91.2% compared to 83% last year. Premium income declined by 2.9% due to the ongoing wind-down of the Individual Disability [loss].

  • For the corporate segment we reported an operating loss of $20.6 million in the first quarter compared to a loss of $21.8 million in the year-ago quarter. Net investment income is lower due to the lower asset levels, a lower proportion of assets invested at long-term interest rate, and an increase in the amortization of the principal amount invested in tax credit partnerships.

  • Interest to debt expense declined to $32.5 million in the quarter compared to $34.9 million a year ago, due primarily to last year's first quarter debt maturity. Expenses are lower than the prior year primarily due to decreases in expense accruals. As previously noted, our after-tax nonoperating retirement-related loss for the first quarter of 2012 was $7.6 million, and for your modeling purposes, you can expect this loss to continue at this quarterly rate for the balance of 2012. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Rick McKenney for further analysis of this quarter's results.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Thank you, Tom. In my comments this morning, I'd like to cover the margin trends we experienced in our business segments this quarter, a view on the growth trends, and will also provide an update on our investment results and capital position. First, on operating results in the first quarter, I'll start with Unum US. It was a very good quarter for the Unum US segment with operating earnings growth of 6% and generally solid risk experience. Sales growth and persistency trends were also encouraging and I'll cover those in a moment.

  • For Group Disability, the benefit ratio remained within the range we've seen over the past two years with the benefit ratio in the first quarter of 84.9%, compared to the fourth quarter ratio of 84.7% and 83.9% in the year-ago quarter. Submitted new claims incidence trends for long-term disability were slightly higher but paid incidence trends were actually slightly lower. Claim recovery trends continued their favorable performance over the past several quarters. These trends were offset slightly this quarter by weaker results in our short-term disability claim experience as we experienced higher paid incidence rates and higher average weekly indemnities.

  • We have already begun taking actions which we believe will firm up the results in short-term disability and we don't expect to see this trending through to our long-term disability results. Additionally, the new claim discount rate adjustments we made in the third quarter last year negatively impacts the benefit ratio by approximately 65 basis points. We made no additional changes in new claim discount rate this quarter and the interest reserve margin remains stable at a spread of 97 basis points. Overall, we were pleased with the performance of the Group Disability line which generated over a 13% return on equity for the first quarter.

  • For the Group Life and AD&D line, the earnings contribution this quarter remained stable at $52.4 million, up 2% from a year ago. Premiums grew by 7% this quarter due to the recent improvement in sales trends, as well as higher premium persistency. The benefit ratio of 72% was higher than we've seen in previous quarters, primarily due to higher incidence in Group Life. The overall margin for this line remains very healthy, generating ROE north of 15%. Moving to the Supplemental and Voluntary line within Unum US, we saw very good overall earnings results again this quarter, which increased 14% due to solid risk experience and strong premium growth.

  • Premium growth was 6.4% in total and 9.2% for the Voluntary benefits product line. The benefit ratio improved to 50.1%, primarily driven by favorable risk experience in the Voluntary benefits life product line and the Individual Disability recently issued product line. The ROE for this business line stands at 13% and remains an attractive growth opportunity for the Company. Turning to the UK, results were lower than we expected with operating earnings declining to GBP24.7 million with lower net investment income and unfavorable Group Life experience. We attribute the results in our Group Life business this quarter to volatility as the increased claims are not concentrated in any single customer or time period when the business was underwritten or sold.

  • To give some context, this is a relatively small block of business at roughly GBP130 million of annual premium income so it's subject to variations in claim activity. We anticipate that these results will return to more normal levels of profitability as the year progresses which would be more on the GBP30 million of quarterly earnings and an ROE of around 20%.

  • Colonial Life produced another solid quarter as operating earnings in the first quarter increased 5% with premium income increasing almost 6%. The benefit ratio was slightly higher this quarter at 52.1% compared to 51.4% in the year-ago quarter and was up slightly in each of the lines. The ROE for Colonial Life remains a very healthy 17.4% for the quarter.

  • To round it out, this is the first quarter after-loss recognition that we have reported our Closed Block with the inclusion of our Long-Term Care business. The results came in lower than a year ago and below our expectations due to higher claim incidence in long-term care. We attribute this to volatility this quarter but we still need to establish a firm run rate in this business under its Closed Block status.

  • Turning to our sales trends, we were very pleased with the trends we are seeing across our business lines. Sales at Unum US continue the strong trend we have seen for the past few quarters with total sales for the first quarter increasing 12%. For the Group Disability and Group Life and AD&D combined, sales increased 11%, with sales in the under-2000 life core market increasing 11.5% and comprising just under 70% of the sales mix.

  • Voluntary benefit sales were also strong, increasing almost 16% for the quarter with positive contributions across all product lines and market segments. Persistency for Unum US was also strong at 91.7% for Group Long-Term Disability and 91.3% for Group Life. Given these strong trends, along with a very slight benefit from the improving employment picture in the US, we produced 4% premium growth for the Unum US segment, its highest growth rate in several years.

  • In the UK, we also continue to see better pricing trends in the UK market, and as a result, new sales activity has rebounded strongly against relatively low sales volumes from a year ago. In addition, persistency is firming up for the Group Long-Term Disability line at 86% compared to 83.5% last year as prices absorbed into the market. Given these trends, premium income in the UK in local currency increased just over 4% in the first quarter.

  • Finally in Colonial Life, premiums grew 6%. New sales in Colonial Life were relatively flat with new accounts increasing 3% but a smaller average case size compacting the total new account sales volume. Moving on to the balance sheet and the investment portfolio, we continue to be pleased with the trends we are seeing. The credit quality of our investment portfolio remains excellent with a net unrealized gain position of our fixed maturities securities portfolio at $5.5 billion at quarter-end, and our watch list of potential problem credits continuing at historically low levels. Net realized after-tax investment gains and losses excluding the embedded derivative in the reinsurance contract, was essentially break-even this quarter.

  • The ongoing low interest rate environment continues to be challenging and additionally, the tightening of credit spread throughout much of the quarter made for an even more difficult quarter to put money to work. By being selective in our asset purchases, we were able to achieve new money rate, which is hedge-adjusted of 5.4% for the first quarter. As a result, the overall portfolio yield held up relatively well at 6.62% comparing to 6.67% at year end. Given the environment we saw in the first quarter, we did run a cash balance higher than usual which creates a drag on our net investment income. Given lower amounts of cash flows in the second quarter we'll look to catch up in the second quarter while continuing to be opportunistic.

  • Our capital position continues to be strong. While statutory net income for our traditional US life insurance companies was down slightly from a year ago, our run rate continues to support our capital model that generates about $500 million of free cash flow per year. The weighted average risk-based capital ratio for our traditional US life insurance companies remains at approximately 406%, above our 2012 target range of 375% to 400%.

  • Holding company cash marketable securities totaled $575 million at quarter end and we continue to expect it to be within the range of $500 million to $800 million by year-end 2012. During the first quarter we took advantage of a lower share price and our share repurchases totaled $175 million of our planned total of $500 million for the year.

  • We also announced yesterday that we increased the dividend for the fourth straight year and this year, notably at a more rapid rate. We see this as reflective of our cash flow characteristics and a positive way to return money to our shareholders.

  • In closing with a comment on our outlook, despite the volatility we have described and pressure on the investment side, we continue to see 2012 operating earnings per share growth in the lower end of the range of 6% to 12%. Now I'll turn the call back to Tom for his closing comments.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Rick. In closing, despite the unfavorable result in a couple of areas which we recognize we must address we continue to grow earnings per share, generate solid ROEs in our core business segments, grow our business in our target markets, and generate capital which has allowed us to continue to buy back stock and raise our dividend. As Rick said, we're maintaining our outlook which continues to call for operating earnings per share growth at the low end of our 6% to 12% range.

  • This completes our prepared comments. Operator, let's now move to the question-and-answer session.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Chris Giovanni, Goldman Sachs.

  • Chris Giovanni - Analyst

  • I wanted to see, regarding Long-Term Care and the incidence levels that you talked about, I believe your book is at a relatively younger age maybe versus some of your peers. Curious, if we should be worried that this higher incidence levels this early on could lead to the need to maybe strengthen reserves in the future?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Two questions embedded in there, Chris. Why don't we ask Kevin to speak a little bit to some of the incidence and claims trends; then, obviously, Rick can speak so to our confidence in the reserves.

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Good morning, Chris. You're right -- our average age is probably lower than our competitors, primarily because we have about 50% of our book of business in the Group Long-Term Care business, and that average age is in the mid-40s. The expected levels of incidence at that age would be quite low, so even small upticks in incidence would generate the appearance of a fairly significant higher percentage.

  • That said, the block of business isn't sizeable enough to not have volatility, and I think this kind of volatility that we experienced in this quarter isn't atypical of this kind of business.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, you want to speak to the financial side of that?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I will. As I noted in my script, what we saw in the higher loss ratio in the first quarter is a reflection of the quarter, with regards to claim incidence we saw in LTC, and not what we would expect longer term in this business, as Kevin just referenced. So if you look at the Closed Block in aggregate, we're running around $30 million, if you look over last year. It's come down a little bit as we look into this year, and we're running probably in the $25 million to $30 million range; and we were lighter than that by a $10 million pre-tax. I would chalk that up to volatility.

  • You mentioned the reserves -- we did take action at year end, but those actions were much more about our long-term assumptions, and as Kevin said, this incidence we saw in the quarter is not our long-term expectation.

  • Chris Giovanni - Analyst

  • Okay. And then Kevin, the commentary in the release was pretty positive around the competitive environment in Group Disability, and you talked about some pickup from employment and wage increases. So wanted to see, one, if you could talk about expanding the competitive environment. And in the past, you have talked about $80 million in premium from natural growth from expanding wages and payrolls. So, wanted to see how much of this you think you're capturing today.

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • First, let me address maybe the competitive pricing environment. I would say that, generally speaking, a number of companies over the last year have announced in one way or another either price increases or renewal programs. I think we've seen some uptick in premiums per life across the industry, which is a good solid trend. There are always a few competitors where that's not the case. But in general, it's been an uptick in PPL; and in general, we've seen fairly stable pricing, especially in the smaller case end of the marketplace through the end of last year and into the first quarter of this year.

  • In terms of a 4% earned premium growth overall in Unum US, very little of it is from natural growth. I think there are encouraging signs in the economy other than maybe this morning's payroll -- employment report. But in general, I think the signs have been encouraging. But that only accounts for less than 0.5% of the overall growth. The primary driver of growth was solid sales year in 2011 and really solid persistency levels.

  • Chris Giovanni - Analyst

  • One last quick one on capital management. Back at the 2010 Investor Day, you talked about potentially being able to do up to $900 million of share repurchases a year, and you backed away from that last year due to some of the economic headwinds. But curious if you would be willing to upsize your buyback this year in order to achieve your EPS growth target?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, you want to talk that one?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I would like to talk about that one.

  • I would agree with the numbers we laid back out in 2010; we got off of that track last year as we saw challenges over the course of the summer with what was going on in the euro zone, et cetera. As we came into this year, our 2011 Investor Day, we talked about $500 million of repurchases over the course of the year. We did a little bit more than that run rate in the first quarter, but we're sticking to the $500 million for the full year.

  • And to your last point, we don't think about it from an EPS perspective. We think of it much more on the capital management side as returning capital to our shareholders, doing it as a good use of the excess capital we generated, and we'll continue to do it that way.

  • The last point I would make is a lot of the numbers we put out back in 2010 still hold, so when you think of the excess capital that we still have out there on the balance sheet, both in terms of cash as well as RBC in excess of our expectations over the longer term, that dynamic still exists; but we're going to wait until we see a better market and a better environment on the horizon before we bring out some of that capital.

  • Chris Giovanni - Analyst

  • Thanks so much.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Chris.

  • Operator

  • Mark Finkelstein, Evercore Partners.

  • Mark Finkelstein - Analyst

  • To get to the low end of the range of 6% to 12%, does that assume full recovery in UK and LTC earnings?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Sure. When you think about the lower end of the range, the 6% to 12%, we've talked about two dynamics there. We really have mostly talked about one, which is the pressure we've seen from the lower interest rates and the higher cash balances that we're holding. I think our expectation, as we've said in earlier comments, is that over the course of the year, that the volatility that we saw in both LTC as well in the UK will dissipate, so when you take those together and a whole lot of other things that will happen over the course of the year, it leads us to the conclusion that we're still within our range of 6% to 12%.

  • Mark Finkelstein - Analyst

  • Okay. I guess just going back to the incidence on LTC -- the interest-adjusted loss ratios really did pick up quite a bit. Are there any metrics you can give us that show it really was a blip in incidence, and not a continuation of a negative trend, albeit much more magnified this quarter? Are there any sequential actual expected metrics, or anything that can tell us how much of an anomaly this was?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Kevin, you want to talk about that, because you guys obviously monitor the business on a really regular basis?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Good morning, Mark.

  • We've seen this kind of hiccup in incidence before in disability lines, in long-term care lines. The claim volume was a little bit elevated in the first quarter. We've seen other quarters that were somewhat similar. We typically see some seasonality in the business as well, particularly after the holidays in the first quarter.

  • But like I said earlier, this kind of volatility -- we track it, and we see it from time to time. From a claims management standpoint, though, we're pretty active about making sure that we understand where claims are coming from and what we can do about it. We can't do much about the incoming mail, but from there we can actively manage the claims, and we've taken a couple actions since the end of the year to shore up and strengthen our long-term care active management.

  • I'll give you a couple examples. We did appoint a new senior financial executive to oversee the business. We did put in place a regular internal audit-type peer review of claims activity, and we did put in place an inventory management system around claims similar to what we executed in long-term disability that served us so well in that line of business. I think, as Rick said, we would expect this volatility to happen from time to time, and we would expect it to dissipate.

  • Mark Finkelstein - Analyst

  • Okay. Then just finally with you, Kevin -- I think Rick made in opening remarks suggesting that the STD incidence shouldn't travel over to LTD. What gives you that confidence?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Couple of things. We track something that we call the flow-through rate, the rate at which STD claims become LTD claims; that's not moving at all. In fact, if anything, it's slightly declining. Secondly, duration days -- the length of time that STD claimants stay on claim -- has been incredibly stable over a long, long period of time. So when I take a look at what's going on in STD, I think, again, we have got an uptick in incidence, we're addressing that with pricing actions, and we don't see flow through to LTD.

  • Mark Finkelstein - Analyst

  • Okay. All right, thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Mark.

  • Operator

  • Ed Spehar, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • I have two questions. I guess the first would be, if the earnings run rate continued for long-term care at the 1Q level -- so I think you said about $10 million less than what you thought -- what, if anything, would that imply for reserves?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, I think that what you're talking about, though, and it is a little bit speculative, is that higher incident rate persists for a long period of time. And so if it's a long period of time, it's something you have to address. But I'd very quickly say that we don't expect that, as Kevin said and as I've said. So I think it does not have the impact on reserves; it is more volatility intra-quarter, which is an income statement issue and not a balance sheet issue.

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • Okay. I appreciate that, but if there's -- if it did, just some sort of sense as to how big of a deal it would be, if this number was $10 million a quarter worse than what you're thinking? Is it a reserve issue at all? I guess my point is, is it a reserve issue at all, or is it just that earnings would be coming through $10 million less a quarter every quarter going forward?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I think we're speculating a little bit here and so what --

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • That's right. We have to do that, though, unfortunately, Rick.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • What we're talking about is short term trends versus long-term trends. We're saying this is a short-term trend and it will be earnings impact in the current quarter, which we've shown you. If it happens again, it will be earnings impact in that quarter. And then longer-term, if we see that as a trend, we will have to reflect that into our reserving processes. But that's a long way off from what we've said here today.

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • Okay. A related question is, have you considered that there's any possibility that there was an acceleration of submitted claims in Long-Term Care simply because of your decision to exit the line? Is there any reason to think that, from either a customer or distributor standpoint, that you might have had some upfronting of claims?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Kevin, you want to take that, actually, because we've looked at that very carefully?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Good morning, Ed.

  • First of all, I think it would be way too soon. We didn't make the announcement till the first week of February, something like that. It would be way too soon for that sudden influx of mail to come in. So no, I don't think there's any evidence of that. Like I said, we do a lot of internal review of incoming claim volume. We want to make sure whenever we see an uptick in incidence that there's no sort of new thing happening to us, and we didn't see any evidence of that. Like I said, I think it's just volatility.

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • Is there any reason to think that that could have an impact in subsequent quarters, just the announcement that you're getting out?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • I don't think so. I mean, think about the definition of disability. I'm hard-pressed to see people deciding that they've got multiple ADL losses, activities of daily living losses, just because we made an announcement. Either they have it or they don't.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • I think Kevin, you mentioned, too, one of the things we have done since the announcement is shore up a lot of our resources, actually supporting this business, made a number of adjustments in personnel and things like that. So to the extent we do get a higher level of claims, we have the resources to be sure we are only paying the ones that should be paid.

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Absolutely.

  • Ed Spehar - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Good, thanks, Ed.

  • Operator

  • Jay Gelb, Barclays.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • What's the sensitivity to Unum's sales in the US from a pick up in improving wage numbers and employment?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Kevin, you want to take that one?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Sure. I don't know if I could quantify it for you, Jay, but certainly an uptick in wage inflation, if you will, would increase covered payrolls, which in turn would increase the dollar volume, if you will, of sales, pretty linearly. And then I think an increase in employment would be similar. If companies started to grow, instead of covering 100 people, the company would be covering 105. I think it's a very linear relationship. If we see an uptick in wage inflation, and we see an uptick in employment, we'll see an uptick in the dollar value of sales of premiums.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Jay, I must say that we're not expecting significant improvement in the economic environment, actually; so the growth that you've seen in the last year or two, which we reported here in the past quarter, is more driven by basic fundamentals. It's either a combination of competitive dynamics improving; obviously our reach and touch in the marketplace continues to expand. We've had great stability in this Company in terms of our sales and service organization, I think, Kevin, which actually is probably more behind the growth that we've seen and probably what we're expecting the rest of this year.

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • The other thing I'd say, Tom, is that any improvement in the economic environment with respect to wages and employment probably reflects itself more in what we call MBOC. In-force customers beginning to grow again, and we did see an increase in MBOC during the end of last year and into this quarter. Reflects confidence.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • On a separate issue -- the drop-off in Unum UK net investment income quarter-over-quarter was pretty significant. Was there any specific driver to that? Or was that the right run rate going forward?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Tom, you want to take that one?

  • Tom White - SVP, IR

  • Yes. Jay, basically what happened is, in last year's first quarter we had a bond call. I think it was about GBP2.7 million, and actually, it is a little unusual for us to have that. So we had that working against us. We didn't have any bond call premium this year, so about a GBP2.7 million swing year-over-year because of a bond call last year.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • It was down from GBP50.5 million in the fourth quarter of '11.

  • Tom White - SVP, IR

  • What we're saying is we'll get some adjustments and some noise with the inflation. Keep in mind, with our Group Disability policies over there, about 30% or so have an inflation rider, so as inflation moves up and down, we'll have some movement in the net investment income, which actually gets offset on the reserves and flows through the benefit ratio. So it doesn't have any impact on overall income, but we can get some noise with how inflation moves around in the UK.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • They're index-linked gilts that we're invested in over there.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • What do you feel the right run rate is for net investment income in Unum UK?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • It's going to move around. You have to -- I can take you offline and we can talk through what some of the trends have been, but it's going to be heavily dependent on the direction of inflation and how that flows through the investment income line.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Tom, maybe also to point out, too, that the movement in rates and inflation affect also the benefit cost. So there's a linkage (multiple speakers) So actually, just focusing on the investment income is a piece of it but it's also a benefit-cost connection, as well.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • All right. Then on the Closed Block, the impact of the Long-Term Care business going forward -- I know you're trying to figure out where the run rate is there, but maybe you can give us a bit more sense in terms of how we should think about it.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • No, we are trying to establish a run rate there, as I mentioned. But I think I also mentioned in my earlier comments, we would expect the $25 million to $30 million range is probably more realistic for this Closed Block going forward. As I mentioned, that's slightly down off of the run rates we were seeing last year as we've taken the entire business through the Closed Block process.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • That would be considering no other unusual impacts, correct?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • That's our expectation.

  • Jay Gelb - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thank you, Jay.

  • Operator

  • Tom Gallagher, Credit Suisse.

  • Tom Gallagher - Analyst

  • I just wanted to come back to Long-Term Care for a minute. And Rick, I just want to make sure I'm doing the math correctly. So, if I overlay your interest adjusted benefit ratio with what I think is a reasonable other expense line, it looks like you lost a slight amount of money in Long-Term Care this quarter, and you made money in the Closed Block Individual Disability. Is that correct?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I think that's pretty close, yes. We don't split out those results but I think that's directionally correct.

  • Tom Gallagher - Analyst

  • Okay. If I extrapolated -- and I know this is making an assumption -- but if I assume that claims do remain elevated and I had just a moderate loss on a GAAP basis for the next three quarters heading into year end, would that precipitate another reserve charge, to get back to Ed's questions? You know, if you strung together four quarters in a row, or is that still too early to determine that the reserves are inadequate? Or you just can't make a determination? I'm just curious how you would think about that.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Sure. I think I would point you back to the underlying causes that brought that into a lower earning position over the next three quarters; and then we have to take those causes, which in this quarter would be claim incidence, and whatever that cause might be, and you take those new levels and put that through the reserves and see if you're adequate on that basis. And there's other offsets going the other way that would change over the course of the year as new premiums come in from pricing and things like that. So you take all that together and evaluate reserves in that process.

  • But I think you have to go to the underlying causes, not to what the earnings run rate is. The earnings run rate can differ from what your long-term expectations are of claims incidence or any other factor behind the business.

  • Tom Gallagher - Analyst

  • And then, I guess my other question would be, on a related note -- even though you did take a Long-Term Care reserve charge on GAAP, there wasn't much of a statutory impact from it last year. So it really has had minimal impact on capital management, which you've been able to still do in a fairly robust way. If there was a Long-Term Care issue on claims incidence, would that also be a stat issue? And would that potentially change the outlook on capital management? And then just a related question -- has there been a corresponding statutory impact, now that you've seen some softening on GAAP on Long-Term Care this quarter?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Lots of questions in there.

  • If you take what happened in the quarter from a statutory perspective, we did [have] higher incidence or pay on more claims, so we'll have a little bit less of a run rate on the statutory side. Once again, we don't expect that continue, so we'd expect our statutory earnings to go right back to our model that we're expecting longer term in the Company.

  • We mentioned at year end that our GAAP reserves are similar to our stat reserves today; but those are two fundamentally different bases of accounting, so you have to build up from the underlying assumptions and how that might change your view around both GAAP or stat. If we do see pressure in this business, ultimately we could see pressure on the statutory side as well, but we don't see that today, so we will have to see how that plays out.

  • Tom Gallagher - Analyst

  • Understood. Last question, just on the UK.

  • Last time we had a blip in the UK, you guys had talked about, in the month following the close of that quarter, things had gotten a bit better. Do you have any early read as to how things are playing out thus far into 2Q in the UK?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Jack, you want to cover that, and maybe even just step back a little bit, and again, in your own words, describe a little bit what we saw here this past quarter?

  • Jack McGarry - President, Unum UK

  • Yes, you know it is different that the blip in the UK in the third quarter was a disability blip. This is clearly a Group Life and dependence blip. So we don't have a read on where it is in the second quarter. It is more volatile.

  • To kind of put it in context, our entire Group Life block in the UK is smaller than a quarter worth of Group Life business in the US. And actually, average sizes, because the standard plan design here tends to be four times salary, tends to be even higher, so we expect volatility in it. We don't have a good read, but we've had blips in the past. The first quarter tends to be a little worse than other quarters, and we put some solace in the fact that we had very good Group Life quarters in the three quarters leading up to this one.

  • Tom Gallagher - Analyst

  • Got it. Thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Tom.

  • Operator

  • Steven Schwartz, Raymond James & Associates.

  • Steven Schwartz - Analyst

  • A lot of follow-ups, but thanks for that on the UK in April.

  • I'm wondering if you could talk about maybe April and -- if it's possible to talk about April -- in Long-Term Care and STD. And also with regards to STD, you're raising prices. Is that going to take a couple of years to get through like it might in Group Long-Term Disability?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Kevin, you want to pick up on both of those? Obviously --

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • I would hesitate to say anything about the second quarter right now. Just as we say the first quarter is volatility, and one quarter doesn't make a trend, I'm reluctant to speculate on one month being a different trend. I think we'll just have to let it play out. As Rick said, and as I said earlier, we expect volatility; it's happened before; we expect it to dissipate throughout. I'd rather wait to see it happen than speculate about it.

  • With regard to STD -- in terms of renewals, it will take roughly two to three years (technical difficulty) it runs through the block as that business has either two- or three-year rate guarantees. We're talking about a mid-single digit rate increase. But of course new sales would flow through right away. We're raising prices on new STD sales as well, also in the mid-single digit range. So as sales flow through, that will help the block as well.

  • Steven Schwartz - Analyst

  • Okay. I'll leave that dead horse there. If I could, a couple more questions.

  • Rick, you mentioned cash drag in the quarter. I was wondering if you could possibly put a number on that, since it sounds like you'll be fully invested at least some point during the second quarter.

  • And then I was also wondering -- a competitor mentioned this, and I was wondering if you had seen this -- Social Security Administration delays, maybe a lengthening in the time it takes for a decision, and if you've seen that, how it affects you?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, why don't you take the cash piece, and then Kevin on the Social Security offset piece.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • On the cash -- what we saw in the quarter was a few hundred million, so you're looking $300 million-ish type range of excess cash that we wanted to put back to work. As we look out at how much we actually did put to work, it was a fair bit. Second quarter is a lot lighter in terms of income and cash flow that we have coming in, so even if we do slightly less than we did in the first quarter, we'll be caught back up. Sitting on that cash even for that short period of time does cause a little bit of drag, and we'll just have to work our way through that. But we expect to be caught back up, mostly because of the volumes that we see of cash coming in, in the second quarter, and our expectation that our team will continue to be opportunistic and get that out over the course of the second.

  • Steven Schwartz - Analyst

  • On Social Security?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Good morning.

  • With respect to Social Security, this is a trend of higher rates of approvals by Social Security over the last several years, and that's reflected in our strong offset performance. We haven't seen, really, anything with respect to, generally, delays in awards and the recognition of those awards. And in any event, from a pricing and reserving standpoint, we plan for that anyway. So even if the awards were delayed, they would be awarded retroactively, and as long as that occurred according to our pricing assumptions, it would make no impact at all on our financials.

  • Steven Schwartz - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Steven.

  • Operator

  • Randy Binner, FBR.

  • Randy Binner - Analyst

  • I wanted to hit on STD again. I haven't heard in all these questions if there was an explanation of what the dynamic was with the higher claims there. And also I was curious beyond raising pricing if there's any actions you're taking on the claim side to try and mitigate whatever the trend there is.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Kevin?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Yes. Couple things.

  • What we've seen is a general creep in incidence and prevalence in STD over the last several years. It was a little more visible this quarter. As I said, the length of STD claims hasn't changed at all, flow through to LTD has not occurred; and so what I would conclude from that is that it's maybe a higher volume of very short term, short-term disability claims.

  • That makes it somewhat harder to manage, because we're not trying to manage the recoveries. A lot of times we get short-term disability claims that are so short that by the time we find out about them, the person is already back to work. That said, we are taking a look at whether or not we can do something around the very front end of short-term disability claims to monitor the incoming to see whether we can get our arms around that to see whether there's anything we can do about that. At the same time, I think the more practical answer is, we just need to raise prices to reflect the incidence and prevalence level we're seeing.

  • Randy Binner - Analyst

  • That's across job classes, across geographies -- there's no trend in that?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • No trend that I can point to at the moment.

  • Randy Binner - Analyst

  • Okay. That makes sense.

  • Then just one more higher-level question -- net investment income. I think people have hit it in different areas. It was a little bit light versus our model, and I appreciate the comments on putting cash back to work. But I guess there's -- just kind of clarify, or make sure, there's nothing you're going to do in the portfolio to take additional action, kind of different investment strategy, different asset allocation? It's the same asset mix and strategy you're looking for in the portfolio? Just trying to get more cash to work, is that right?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • That's absolutely the case. I think we know the asset classes that we like, and on a relative asset basis we'll shift from one asset class to another, whether it's private placements or corporate bonds, or commercial mortgage loans, and we'll go where we see relative value. But you won't see a move in the overall portfolio. It's been stable over the last several years and you can expect it to stay there. It will be marginal moves in each of those product lines or those asset classes, depending on what the environment looks like.

  • Randy Binner - Analyst

  • All right. That's great. That's all I have. Thanks.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Randy.

  • Operator

  • Eric Berg, Barclays.

  • Eric Berg - Analyst

  • Thank you very much.

  • I wanted to return to the Long-Term Care area, and I guess my first thing is, I wanted to clarify that the incidence, the pickup in incidence that you experienced in the March quarter is different from the issue that you addressed fundamentally in the large reserve increase that you took to exit the business. In particular, my understanding is that when you booked the large charge to exit the business, that was fundamentally about how long older people are living in, or remaining in, nursing homes -- essentially they're staying alive -- but before the claim ends due to death at a nursing home, that this was really about the length of stays in nursing home.

  • And so my question is, first, are we really talking today about a new aspect to the claims? People entering nursing homes, the number of claims, as opposed to the length of claims? That's my question.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Sure. We think about that, I'll take you back to year end. There were two fundamental things that we highlighted. One, which you referenced, which was termination rates -- how long people are staying on-claim, and what our long-term view is of that. The second is interest rates. So we did adjust for what our perception is of interest rates drifting down here over the next three to five years, and those were the two big aspects of that.

  • What we saw this quarter is different than those items on the incidence side; and it's different from what we've seen over the last several years. If you look back to some of the increasing loss ratio we had in the past, it was much more about lapsation or persistency of people staying on their products as opposed to the utilization and incidence which we're seeing here.

  • We did see that blip up in the quarter and we'll certainly keep a close eye on it, but at the moment we think it's volatility.

  • Eric Berg - Analyst

  • Let me just ask a second and final question on this topic. It is the same question, but asked differently from the one that was asked, I think, by Ed and Tom. And it's this.

  • Let's say you continue to experience elevated incidence. I know you don't; you said that repeatedly; you're calling this volatility. But let's say you did experience it. My question -- what would cause you not to have to take a reserve charge in the face of ongoing elevated incidence? The other fellows asked you, wouldn't that lead to a reserve charge. I'd like to know, what would be the set of facts and circumstances under which, faced with higher incidence on a continuing basis, you wouldn't take a reserve charge? Thanks very much.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I think that incidence is one attribute of the product line, and so we would have to take a look at all the other pieces, including the ones we adjusted at year-end to see if they play out that way. And the other thing that's important is, we are able to increase prices in this line, so we are actively continuing to raise rates in this line to reflect the characteristics of that loss and certainly an increase in incidence and utilization as brought would correspond with us continuing to raise rates. So I think that's -- you mentioned what's the one offset? I'd probably highlight that as an important factor.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, bring into that the fact that we have really brought in some people into this exercise to be sure we've got resources behind this, including a very senior addition to the team. So, Eric, we just aren't taking the issue of how we reprice and rethink that block of business casually. There's an active process in place, as Rick said, to be sure that we're being as aggressive and as appropriately aggressive as we can be on pricing and repricing.

  • Eric Berg - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Eric.

  • Operator

  • John Nadel, Sterne Agee.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Good morning, everybody.

  • I guess, to beat the Long-Term Care horse to absolute death, can you just update us, Rick -- you mentioned pricing. Can you update us on where you stand with respect to the pricing actions? Maybe give us an update on state-by-state approvals, the expectation for impact, the premiums over what period of time again?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Yes. Take you through what we've seen with regard to our filing process on individual Long-Term Care. Plan is still on track. I wouldn't give you much more update than take some time to implement those once they've been approved and it goes to process notification, et cetera.

  • I would say, going forward, we're going to see where we stand, but it will be much more on a continuum. These aren't going to be initially waves of pricing; these will be ongoing discussions that we have with states, with regard to the particular block of business that they have there. And so to go through a process of an update and status check, I think will be different. We'll certainly let you know as the premium starts to flow in, and what our expectations are around that going forward.

  • So far, we're still on track. I'd take you back to the metrics we saw in the fourth quarter, and they look very similar to that.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Okay. Helpful.

  • I guess, separately, the change in your definition of operating earnings and treating these pension-related costs as a nonoperating item -- I'm just curious what precipitated that, and why are you making that adjustment? I'm just trying to understand the theory.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Sure. When you look at the operations of our business, we certainly try and be consistent across the board; and I would say, this item we are talking about, we're not talking about our total pension expense. We continue to have the service costs running through, which reflects the increasing level of our pension. What we're talking about here is the movements in the actuarial gain or loss, which is very similar to capital gains and losses in the portfolio, and it will get marked and it will change and we'll see gains.

  • That today comes through the income statement, although over a longer period of time, but we think it looks much more like capital gains and losses. We have other companies out there that do something similar, and we thought that was appropriate for our business.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Can you give an example of a couple of companies you've seen do this?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • GE, IBM.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Okay -- so nobody in the peer group, though? I don't believe there's anybody that I cover who's done this.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • No, I don't believe there is. So they're looking at it, but I would say there's an awful lot of folks out there that do look at capital gains and losses, or things that are similar to that, as nonoperating items, and we put this in that category.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Understood. Okay. Two quick ones, then.

  • Did you see any benefit in the quarter from prepayment income? Was it in line with expectations? Above, below?

  • Kevin McCarthy - President, Unum US

  • Yes, I think, John, it was pretty consistent with what we saw in the first quarter last year, relative to the fourth -- actually it was a little bit lower than last year and pretty much in line with what we saw in the fourth quarter. The thing about it -- it varies by line of business. It just depends on the bond that's called and what product line and portfolio we're holding it in.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Okay. The last one is -- last one is more for Tom Watjen.

  • Just looking at the sales results in Unum UK -- and if I go back in time when you made the management changes there, I think at least in part, one of the things that you highlighted was, you weren't all that pleased with the mix shift that had been occurring in the UK away from disability toward Group Life. And yet, this quarter I see a dramatic increase in Group Life sales year-over-year. Not that disability didn't grow, either; but is there anything we can take away from the quarter's results in that regard?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • No, I don't think so. I think we said across all of our businesses -- obviously, there are parts of our business that are opportunistic, and occasionally we are going to see things that, if we can price the business properly, we're going to be opportunistic. And I think you saw that to a degree in the UK results in the quarter. There are a few cases, for example, that aren't reasonably large, but ones that again, we could obtain on a very attractive price. And as Jack mentioned in his comments, other than this quarter, we have had a pretty good run of three quarters of pretty good results in the Group Life line in the UK.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Yes.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • I think that discipline you referred to, we're very much staying with. Across all of our business we can see opportunistic things come look along which can cause spikes. At Unum US, for example, you'll see the spikes in large case when you see those kinds of opportunities. So nothing has really changed there.

  • Again, our fastball and our presence in the UK is dominated by our disability franchise, and we really have, with Jack's leadership, I think, really brought more focus to that. We're very engaged in the public policy debate in the UK about the role private disability can play in the broader public policy arena. So, please don't misread the quarter in terms of a shift back to some things that I think, as you rightfully point out, we were trying to move away from.

  • John Nadel - Analyst

  • Okay. That's great. Thanks for the update.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, John.

  • Operator

  • Sean Dargan, Macquarie.

  • Sean Dargan - Analyst

  • Following up on the UK -- I think the consensus now is that the UK is in a full-blown double-dip recession. Does that change either the top line or bottom line guidance that was given for 2012?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • No. Jack, maybe you can speak a little bit again to just how, if at all, you're seeing the recession impact your business.

  • Jack McGarry - President, Unum UK

  • Yes, clearly the interest rate environment is having an impact on our business. Natural growth is weak in the UK as it is in the US, and isn't -- we didn't get the 0.5% lift in natural growth in the UK.

  • I think a full-blown double-dip recession is a little harsh. There was a small two-quarter decrease, but it was like 0.2% dip. They expect low, but growth for the remainder of the year.

  • But actually, in getting back to John's question as well, I think the recessionary pressures are more than offset by a better competitive environment in the UK. We felt much better about the 40% increase in our GIP sales than we did about what happened in Group Life, which was opportunistic. But those sales were actually across the board in all size levels.

  • We've seen in the UK, particularly in the financial services industry, several major banks come out and request proposals to insure all of their bank employees, which is something that's new to the UK, and a very positive sign for our business, because that's the direction our strategy is going. And a lot of companies look to what the banks and other major employers in the UK do as they're thinking about their own benefit designs. So we think that's a positive movement. We've begun to have some success in selling and convincing in-force customers to insure additional employees under their schemes, which is a real positive sign, again, consistent with our strategy.

  • And so in the UK our growth area isn't necessarily as focused on the economy growing as it is focused on expanding the number of employees that employers choose to provide coverage to in the UK.

  • Sean Dargan - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • And then just one quick one on Colonial Life -- the sales in accident, sickness, and disability were maybe a little lighter than I was expecting. Is there some change in the competitive environment in that line?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Randy, you want to pick up on that; and even, as Sean indicated, talk a little bit about the environment in addition to that one particular product.

  • Randy Horn - President, Colonial Life

  • Be happy to, Tom. Good morning, Sean.

  • Not seeing any significant change in the competitive environment. It's been intense for some time now. And our real issue in the first quarter was on the new account sales side of things, where we just had smaller average case size on average, where we were very pleased with our sales in all of our product segments in terms of existing account sales. Those were up nicely. So we're staying very focused on our core commercial market and in public sector. We have excellent opportunities there, Sean, and really not seeing anything new there that's causing us not to be optimistic about the future in those lines.

  • Sean Dargan - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thanks.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Sean.

  • I think actually operator we'll maybe move to our last question. I think we're bumping up against our time limit.

  • Operator

  • Ryan Krueger, Dowling & Partners.

  • Ryan Krueger - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. Sorry to ask yet another question on Long-Term Care.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • No, no problem.

  • Ryan Krueger - Analyst

  • I'm not sure if you said this on the call. If so, I missed it. But was incidence elevated in both the group and individual businesses? Or was it more pronounced in just one area?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, you want to take that one?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Yes, certainly. It was actually on the individual side, which you would expect. We talked a little bit earlier about the age differential in the two block, so that's what you would expect, and it was primarily on individual side.

  • Ryan Krueger - Analyst

  • Okay. And then just a general question on statutory reserving. Outside of New York when you look at reserves at the end of the year and run cash flow testings for any business, do you then always compare on a holistic basis the reserve adequacy of the Company, taking into consideration short falls in some businesses and redundancies in another? In other words, if you determined at the end of the year that you maybe should add to Long-Term Care reserves, but then you thought some of the other businesses were redundant, would that necessitate an increase on a stat basis?

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Rick, you want to pick up on that?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I don't to want to end on that, but I think that -- (laughter)

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • I'll ask you a question. (laughter)

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • Let me talk a little bit about that, which would be very similar to what we talked about at Investor Day, which is this is a entity by entity view of the business. In some entities -- and the practices are slightly different -- and some of the entities you are able to look across the Company; and when you do cash flow testing as you would expect, because there are offsets that obviously happen. And some entities, you do product line by product line, cash flow. So you will come up with different answers in terms of how you go through that. I think as you look at our year-end results and how we go through, we're certainly feeling good about how our statutory earnings are flowing across the board and we expect that to continue.

  • Ryan Krueger - Analyst

  • And just to clarify, is New York the only subsidiary where you do look at it on a exact line by line basis versus consolidated?

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • I hesitate to be sure in aggregate, but that's certainly one of the entities that they do look on a line-by-line basis.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • It's not us, but that's their regulation.

  • Rick McKenney - EVP and CFO

  • That's their regulation; that would be true of everybody.

  • Ryan Krueger - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Tom Watjen - President and CEO

  • Good, thank you. And thank you all for taking the time to join us this morning, and this will complete the first quarter 2012 earnings call.

  • Operator

  • And again, ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's conference. We would like to thank you all for your participation.