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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the CS&L third-quarter 2016 earnings conference call. My name is Andrew and I will be your operator for today. This call is being recorded and a replay will be available beginning at 1:00 PM Eastern time today. Both the telephone replay and the webcast will be available on the Company's website at www.CSLREITS.com until December 4, 2016 at 11:59 PM Eastern time.

  • At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Participants on the call will have the opportunity to ask questions following the Company's prepared comments.

  • The Company would like to remind you that today's remarks include forward-looking statements and actual results could differ materially from those projected in these statements. The factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed in the Company's filings with the SEC.

  • Some of the comments today will refer to information posted on the CS&L website at www.CSLREITS.com. This includes information on the acquisition of the NMS Tower portfolio and you are encouraged to reference that presentation. Discussions during that call will also include certain financial measures that were not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly and comparable GAAP financial measures can be found on the Company's current report on Form 8-K dated today.

  • I would now like to turn the call over to CS&L's Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Mark Wallace. Please go ahead, Mr. Wallace.

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • Thank you and good morning, everyone. We have been active on multiple fronts since our last quarterly call with the earlier than expected closing of Tower Cloud, the acquisition of NMS we announced this morning, our successful Term Loan B repricing and pursuing multiple other acquisition opportunities. We certainly intend to continue that momentum as we head into the last few weeks of 2016.

  • We would like to spend most of the call today discussing our acquisition of the NMS portfolio but I will start with a review of our recent financial performance.

  • We are pleased to report that our operating results for the third quarter were again in line with our expectations with consolidated revenues of just over $200 million and consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $175.7 million. AFFO for the quarter was $0.65 per diluted common share. Net loss attributable to common shares after transaction related costs was $4.1 million or $0.03 per diluted share.

  • Leasing segment revenues were $169.5 million with adjusted EBITDA of $165.2 million. Once again our leasing segment benefited from over $41 million of improvements this quarter to our network made by Windstream with our capital. On a cumulative basis since our spinoff, we have benefited from nearly $181 million of tenant capital improvements completed by Windstream.

  • Unity Fiber reported revenues of $25.2 million and adjusted EBITDA of $9.3 million for the quarter. Unity Fiber's results for the three months ended September 30 include a full quarter of operations of PEG Bandwidth as that acquisition closed on May 2, and one month of operations for Tower Cloud as that acquisition closed on August 31.

  • Reported CapEx, reported maintenance CapEx for the quarter was $1.4 million and success-based CapEx was $6 million. We remain confident that we will achieve the PEG Tower Cloud integration synergies previously outlined of $2 million run rate in year one and $6 million of cash run rate synergies in year three. The integration of Unity Fiber has gone smoothly at every level particularly the organizational integration across sales, service delivery, network operations and engineering. While we still have additional work to do on corporate IT systems and other back-office functions, I fully expect these initiatives will go equally well.

  • More importantly, we are also starting to see revenue synergies as we propose on opportunities across markets, focus on cross-sell opportunities and expand our carrier relationships.

  • Unity Fiber continued to see a high level of opportunities for dark fiber and small cell deployments during the third quarter and successfully executed the renewal of three major lit services contracts with a leading wireless carrier covering over 900 backhaul sites. These renewals had contract terms between five to seven years and represented over $100 million in aggregate revenue. In fact, revenue under contract at Unity Fiber is up $125 million or 21% since our acquisition of Tower Cloud.

  • Today Unity Fiber's business spans 19 states with over 5400 connections serving all four major wireless carriers and revenues under contract stand at nearly $725 million with an average term of almost 5.5 years. Kenny will discuss Unity Fiber's recent sales efforts and awards more in just a minute but let me say that we are very pleased with our progress as it validates our initial investment thesis emphasizing long-term contractual revenues with high credit quality customers.

  • Turning now to capital markets, in late October we completed the repricing of $2.1 billion in term loans outstanding under our senior secured credit agreement. The interest rate decreased by 50 basis points to LIBOR +3.5% and should reduce our annual interest expense by over $10 million. As you may recall, our floating-rate term loans are swap to fixed and the repricing lowered the effective fixed-rate to 5.6%.

  • We were also successful in amending certain provision of our credit agreements to allow the Company to operate through an operating structure in the future. Our liquidity in capital markets access continues to be in great shape. At quarter end, we had $341 million of liquidity consisting of $41 million of cash and $300 million of undrawn borrowing capacity under our revolving credit facility. Our leverage ratio under our debt agreements at quarter end stands at 5.7 times based on net debt to with annualized adjusted EBITDA.

  • Our regular quarterly cash dividend at $0.60 per share was declared last week representing an annual dividend of $2.40 per share.

  • Regarding our outlook for the full-year 2016 we expect AFFO to range between $2.60 and $2.62 per diluted common share. Our current outlook for 2016 includes the following items. Leasing segment revenues are expected to be $677 million including $23 million of non-cash revenue. As a reminder, our leasing segment now includes ground lease and tower rents. We continue to expect our consumer CLEC business revenues to be $21 million to $22 million with an average adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 22%. We expect Unity Fiber to contribute $71 million in revenues and $27 million of adjusted EBITDA during 2016.

  • We increased our Unity Fiber guidance from our last call by $16 million in revenue and $6 million in adjusted EBITDA which is predominantly due to the inclusion of Tower Cloud's results for the last four months of this year.

  • SG&A should range between $36 million to $37 million including $5 million in stock-based compensation expense. We expect maintenance CapEx related to Unity Fiber to be about $3 million for the 2016 post acquisition periods. Success-based CapEx at Unity Fiber for the 2016 post acquisition periods should be approximately $27 million. We anticipate success-based CapEx in the fourth quarter to be approximately $20 million.

  • We continue to expect Unity Towers to invest about $1.5 million related to our tower builds in Mexico under our current awards excluding NMS. Ten sites have been completed to date and we expect a total of 22 towers to be completed by the end of this year. The balance should be completed by mid-2017.

  • We expect $22 million in ground lease investments this year at an average yield of 6%. Interest expense for the full-year should range between $274 million to $275 million including $16 million related to debt discount and financing cost amortization. Our guidance assumes weighted average common shares outstanding for the full-year of 152.5 million and 155.1 million for the fourth quarter of 2016.

  • As a reminder, our guidance for 2016 is based on PEG and Tower Cloud's preliminary purchase price allocation which is subject to change. It does not include the impact of the NMS acquisition or any other future acquisition capital market transactions or integration related cost. We expect to provide guidance for 2017 on our next quarterly call after completion of our annual planning cycle.

  • As we near the close of this year, I am confident we are well-positioned to continue our momentum during the balance of this year and into 2017. We have significant depth in our M&A pipeline. Unity Towers is expanding its scope of operations and Unity Fiber is positioned to capitalize on an increasing number of organic opportunities as well as synergies provided by the combined operations.

  • We have already seen significant interest from M&A transaction counterparties in our up reach structure and we should be positioned to issue operating partnership units and M&A transactions as early as the first quarter of next year.

  • That concludes my prepared remarks and I will now turn the call over to Kenny.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Thanks, Mark. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

  • This morning we were pleased to announce the acquisition of Network Management Holdings or NMS and the formal creation of Unity Towers. I will turn to Unity Towers shortly but let me first comment on NMS.

  • We are acquiring 359 wireless towers in Latin America for $65 million. There are numerous reasons why this portfolio is very attractive to us and furthers our strategic objectives.

  • First, the anchor customer relationships are highly attractive and synergistic with our strategy. 90% of the revenue is with three investment grade international wireless carriers and 60% of the revenue is with an existing CSAL customer in the US. Our agreements with these customers are long-term and highly predictable with average remaining initial lease terms of eight years. All three of these customers have committed to growth and investment and substantial additional mission-critical infrastructure so we believe the opportunity to scale these relationships is material not only in towers but also fiber.

  • Secondly, 75% of the tower cash flow is in high growth and stable Latin American markets. As mentioned in each market there are multiple investment grade international wireless carriers and AT&T is a recent new entrant into Mexico and Colombia. Not only is that move a validation of the growth potential in these markets, we also expect this move to further fuel competition in infrastructure spending in general.

  • 4G is very underpenetrated in these markets. Mexico is at 6%, Colombia is at 8% and Nicaragua at 0% while the average global 4G penetration is 29%. We believe investment is required in towers, fiber and other mission-critical infrastructure to enhance 4G penetration. For example, the average tower per subscriber in these markets collectively is 50% to 80% below the world average.

  • Thirdly, the NMS Tower portfolio is very high quality with substantial lease up potential. The average number of tenants per NMS Tower is 1.2 with three to five large tenant options across these markets. Most of the towers are positioned in dense urban areas and are less than three years old reinforcing their mission-critical nature.

  • Next, this acquisition reinforces the attractive valuation and return profile available for mission-critical communications infrastructure in Latin America while getting customer credit, quality and stable geopolitical environments comparable to the US. The NMS investment alone should generate unlevered IRRs of over 20% before any scale and synergy benefits.

  • Lastly, we will operate this portfolio by leveraging our existing Latin American platform which we acquired with our acquisition of Summit Infrastructure earlier this year. This platform not only gives us the expertise of operating in the region but also gives us scale benefits and additional developmental capabilities. NMS for example has an additional 114 towers in development that we expect to acquire upon completion.

  • Speaking of our existing platform, let me now turn to Unity Towers. Going forward our combined US, Latin American Tower and tower real estate assets will operate under the brand of Unity Towers. The Unity Towers strategy will be to acquire and construct tower and tower real estate in the US and Latin America. We will focus on markets with strong macroeconomic fundamentals, politically stable environments and strong underlying communications growth trends. Specifically we will focus on competitive communications in markets where numerous investment grade and international wireless carriers operate and where there is strong communications infrastructure potential due to underpenetrated 4G or even 3G technology.

  • A key part of the Unity Towers strategy will also be to provide build to suit tower opportunities as a unique new entrant in the tower industry, both in the US and Latin America. Particularly with the entrance of AT&T into Latin America, we believe that our strategy of focusing on fiber and towers in the US and Latin America is highly synergistic and will drive incremental attractive growth opportunities.

  • Lawrence Gleason has been named President of Unity Towers. Lawrence joined CSAL when we acquired Summit Infrastructure earlier this year. Before being CEO and Founder of Summit Infrastructure, Lawrence was with the large tower company for 13 years where he managed over 20,000 towers. We are pleased to have Lawrence in this role and look forward to growing the business under his leadership.

  • In a short period of time we have already made great progress on our Unity Towers strategy. Pro forma for the NMS acquisition, we will be approaching nearly 600 macro towers in over 1000+ ground lease or macro tower ready locations. As mentioned early on, providing CapEx for our customers was a core part of our strategy and as previously discussed, we are building towers for a major international customer already in Mexico.

  • We also believe the build to suit opportunity in the US over the next five years could be well over 20,000 towers in aggregate and we expect to capture a percentage of that opportunity. The return profile on these towers and bundling opportunity with backhaul present outstanding opportunities for CS&L. We expect to have more to say on this topic over the coming months. But as I mentioned, having a multi-market and multi-asset strategy will benefit us greatly. Our team is in place and our infrastructure is highly scalable for substantial organic and M&A growth.

  • Let me now turn to Unity Fiber. Despite our great progress and potential in towers and tower real estate, fiber will continue to be our principle focus and the majority of our capital will be deployed in fiber. During the quarter, we closed our $250 million acquisition of Tower Cloud and pro forma for that transaction we now own over 4 million strand miles and nearly 90,000 route miles of fiber which we believe makes us one of the top five owners of fiber in the country.

  • The integration of Tower Cloud with our previous acquisitions is going very well and is on track with our expectations. Receptivity to our model by our customers however continues to exceed our expectations. We are seeing a steady increase of new wins including dark fiber and our pipeline of awarded sites pending contract is growing.

  • During the quarter, Unity Fiber closed dark fiber transactions with a major wireless carrier for Davenport, Iowa; Peoria, Illinois, and Rockford, Illinois that will support that carrier's C-RAN architecture. Davenport and Rockford are new markets to tie nicely to our Midwest cluster and the Peoria transition allows us to convert the current lit backhaul service to a 20-year dark fiber infrastructure transaction. We have also closed a significant lease-up transaction related to the dark fiber build currently in progress in Jacksonville and other parts of North Florida for two to four strands of dark fiber across the entire 1100-mile backbone build.

  • This transaction with a regional carrier includes an upfront payment that will offset our CapEx on the project by about 9% as well as provide a 20-year recurring maintenance charge and opportunity for future follow-on sales.

  • These transactions are examples of our objective of winning anchor metro market deals for dark fiber infrastructure and following them up with additional lease-up business to improve yields over time by taking advantage of continued long-term fiber demand we are seeing across a spectrum of customers.

  • On the lit Ethernet backhaul side, Unity Fiber has closed renewal and return transactions in three regions covering 923 sites that extend those contracts to a new five- to seven-year term with a total contract value of over $100 million, all of which was in line with our expectation on acquiring PEG and Tower Cloud. These transactions derisk the portfolio and provide greater stability of future lit backhaul revenue while we expand our dark fiber and small cell infrastructure businesses that typically have 10- to 20-year contract terms.

  • Similar to Unity Towers, our Unity Fiber team and infrastructure are in place and are highly scalable for organic and M&A growth. We believe there are many commonalities between fiber and towers and for that reason have now achieved our earlier stated goal of establishing a fiber and tower operating platform. Both assets are mission-critical to next-generation wireless broadband. Both are 50+ year lived assets, both have similar economics including initial yields, average contract length and substantial lease up potential and the sales cycle with wireless carriers are very similar and therefore the bundling potential is substantial.

  • Today we are currently providing fiber or tower infrastructure or both to all of the major wireless carriers in the US.

  • Looking forward, we are in very active dialogue for putting additional capital to work to acquire mission-critical communications infrastructure. Unity Fiber and Unity Towers collectively are excellent growth engines with 95% of the existing CapEx being success based but importantly collectively these businesses have another $400 million of identified organic success-based capital projects that they are pursuing.

  • While these two organic growth engines -- with these two organic growth engines, we are ideally suited to own large portions of the impending 5G infrastructure that is being deployed and will endure for the next several decades.

  • Despite these very attractive organic growth engines, we still expect the majority of our capital will be put to work on M&A. The recent pickup in M&A activity in the sector has actually driven more opportunities into our funnel especially sale-leasebacks. More and more companies are looking for ways to participate in M&A and as we mentioned early on, sale-leaseback transactions with us in conjunction with M&A are a tax efficient and value enhancing way for some companies to participate that otherwise could not.

  • Given the stage of our various discussions, we would expect both whole company acquisitions and M&A sale-leaseback announcements in the coming quarters. Ultimately whether it be acquisitions, sale-leasebacks or organic CapEx through Unity Fiber, our goal is to own fiber. The number of opportunities for us to use our capital in value accretive ways has never been better.

  • With that we will now open it up to your questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Phil Cusick, JPMorgan.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • Thanks. A couple if I can. First, can you give us any kind of multiple on the Tower deal? You talked about a 20% IRR, what does it take to get there and can you give us a day one yield?

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • Yes, so this is Mark. So the multiple is 18 times on the local country tower cash flows so it represents on a US dollar basis about a 5.5 initial yield on the current operating portfolio.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • And do you have a hedge on the Mexican currency or you said there is some sort of collar on the currency?

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • There is a collar in terms of how far exchange rates can fluctuate before the parties have an opportunity to renegotiate the price. So it is a 15% fluctuation on the Mexican peso and a 20% fluctuation on the Colombian peso.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • Have we already broken through the Mexican side?

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • No, it is a 10-day average and it is a 10-day average between signing and closing.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • Okay. Can you talk about interest in doing more in the US of tower overbuild model maybe in partnership with a particular carrier?

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Phil, first, let me hit the last part of your first question which was the 20% IRR. So a couple of things. There are contractual attractive escalators built in across the markets in our customer relationships. So that is a driver. But then beyond that, we have very modest lease up assumptions which again I think are conservative, appropriately so, but conservative. So we think those returns are very achievable.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • So I am just curious how you get to 20% IRR with that structure when you paid 18 times walking in.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • We can walk you through the math off-line, Phil. But we are confident in the math. But to your second question I think the answer is yes and I think one of the appealing things about this NMS transaction and what we have been doing in Mexico in general is growing closer to some very important customers international and US customers on the tower side and we do think that there is a very, very nice opportunity in the US and we expect to continue focusing on that and I think we will have more to say on that in the coming months.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • And this sort of goes to the same question but I struggle with the Company's value-add in towers. It seems like the tower market is A, very transparent and B, structured with a bunch of people who also don't pay taxes and so your unique advantage in other areas doesn't really come to bear here. Aren't there other places where you would have a more unique ability to deploy capital?

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Yes, I think there's a couple of things, Phil. First of all, we have talked about this and I think it will become more apparent over time but we do think that the tower business and tower real estate are complementary to our fiber strategy and they drive more business towards our fiber strategy. So although towers are important to us they are not our focus; fiber is our focus and we are looking for ways to scale that business. We are looking for ways to drive more opportunity into that business and towers are a way to do that in addition to getting closer to our customers, there are bundling synergies both real and intangible.

  • So that is one point. These are important for driving business to the fiber side of our business.

  • But secondly, we are a new entrant into the tower industry and we are not -- and that gives us a lot of flexibility on structuring transactions and opportunities that are not only good transactions for us but are also good transactions for the carriers. And so I do think there is a bit of a unique opportunity for us that others don't possess and again I think there will be more to be said on that in the coming months.

  • Phil Cusick - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Barry McCarver, Stephens Inc.

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. Good quarter and thanks for taking my questions. First off, Mark, in your prepared remarks I think you said that since the close of Tower Cloud, Unity Fiber has seen revenue grow 21%. Were you implying an organic growth rate for that business and what is a good outlook if that is not the case?

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • Barry, so what I said was revenues under contract. So if we look at -- so what I said was the revenue under contract that we have so that would be revenues that exist that are contractual for the future that will be recognized over the next 5.5 years. So it is really a reflection of backlog that is growing and contracts as I mentioned that were renewed and therefore the contract length and the contract value is now longer.

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • Okay, that makes sense.

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • If you remember, that was one of the key metrics that we gave out in our original IR presentations on both the Tower Cloud and the PEG Bandwidth acquisition.

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • Okay. And then for the 114 towers under development at NMS, what is the timeline for completion and what do you expect kind of the run rate of new deals there to look like once you get that closed?

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • So those will all be completed within a year and I actually expect that they will be completed inside of a year so maybe within the next nine months or so. So should be a relatively short term.

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • Any guess on the pipeline of new bookings there?

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • New bookings in NMS you mean, Barry?

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • Correct.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • I think we sort of look at it independent of NMS frankly. We do think there is more build opportunities in Mexico in particular and we haven't said what we think those numbers are. But I do think there is more to come in Mexico in particular.

  • Operator

  • Very good. Thanks, guys.

  • Barry McCarver - Analyst

  • David Barden, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • It is Josh in for David. Thanks for taking the questions. I just wanted to ask about the fiber net deal that was announced about two weeks ago and just wanted to see if you guys had looked at it or kind of how that valuation impacts new deals that you see in the pipeline? Thanks.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Good morning, Josh. So we obviously saw the deal, very interested in it. It was not a transaction that was in our pipeline for a variety of reasons so we didn't consider it a loss. I think the valuation was very -- it was a strong valuation which from our perspective we think validates our thesis on the mission-critical nature of fiber but it also we think reinforces the underlying net asset value of the fiber that we own, 4 million plus strand miles, 90,000 plus route miles.

  • So I think the other thing that I mentioned in my remarks but really important is the pickup in M&A activity around fiber in particular has been very good for us. So on the one hand there is more competition for assets but on the other hand and certainly outweighing that is the activity itself is good in the sense that we have more opportunities for partnering on sales leasebacks and whole company acquisitions ourselves.

  • So I think that deal was just one of a series of deals all of which have built up a lot of activity in the space which we are excited about.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Great. Thanks for taking the questions.

  • Operator

  • Frank Louthan, Raymond James.

  • Frank Louthan - Analyst

  • Great, thank you. Talk to us a little bit more about the fiber opportunity in Latin America and give us an idea of what you think that opportunity can be. And then just on the revenue coming from the Latin American acquisition, I assume none of that is in US dollars but if you could clarify that that would be great.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Yes, Frank, I think when you look at Mexico in particular we think there could be 70,000, 75,000 new towers coming as the infrastructure investment there really kicks into high gear particularly with AT&T's entrance there and the competition that we think is coming. So it is a lot of towers and similar to kind of the land grab that happened in the US around backhaul a few years ago, we think that could happen in Mexico.

  • Now to what extent we participate in that still remains to be seen. We have a lot of very attractive fiber opportunities that we are prioritizing here in the US but we do like opening up the potential investment channel in Mexico particularly with AT&T there as it relates to backhaul. So more to come on that as we continuously prioritize our investment opportunities but we do think there will be a big opportunity there in general.

  • Frank Louthan - Analyst

  • Okay. And just another clarification. You describe the M&A activity and looking at potential (technical difficulty) brining you a lot of opportunities for sale-leaseback. Can you just walk us through some of the discussions you are having, what does that exactly look like and how prevalent is this in the M&A activity out there? Is it a couple of folks on the fringe trying to make a deal work or how significant of an opportunity is it for you to participate tangentially in some of this other M&A?

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Well, I can't mention specific names obviously but what I would say is over the past 18 months since we became public, we have had discussions with a spectrum of potential partners on M&A including new entrants into the industry such as private equity buyers and existing strategic players in the industry looking to make acquisitions. And when you think about fiber acquisitions and whether it be pure fiber companies or potentially companies that are a combination of fiber and ILEC businesses, there are a lot of opportunities for consolidation. And so many parties that we have talked to look at our structure as a way to provide a tax efficient separation of the underlying telecom real estate from the operations but at the same time locking in exclusive use of the underlying real estate and potentially getting a value or multiple arbitrage based upon how we can value the real estate versus how they would value it on their own.

  • So the longer we have been public and the more people have become comfortable with our structure in addition to the improvement in our cost of capital and the recent wave of activity in the space have all kind of led to a lot more conversations and a lot more serious conversations around this alternative.

  • Frank Louthan - Analyst

  • So my guess is sort of been the case for a while is your sense that the transaction you participate in is a lot more imminent now than say it was a year ago?

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Yes, I think more actionable for sure.

  • Frank Louthan - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Greg Williams, Cowen and Company.

  • Greg Williams - Analyst

  • Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Can we just talk about these sale-leaseback conversation a little bit further. Would an EarthLink sale leaseback carve out be part of that conversation or are you looking to more diversify your revenue streams from one tenant? How would you weigh that decision?

  • My second question is just around that IRR of the Latin American assets. What kind of SG&A can we expect either from a dollar amount or percentage of revenue and what could we expect in terms of AFFO accretion? Thanks.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Sure, I will let Mark take the second question but on your first question, I think obviously we are very focused on the EarthLink transaction, we think it is a really good transaction for Windstream. We think it is credit enhancing. And I know when Tony was asked the question about a sale-leaseback, he answered that it could be an option that they are interested in pursuing. And what I would say is if that is an option that Windstream wants to pursue, we are very happy to engage in discussions around that to see if there is something that makes sense for both of us.

  • I think that in general if we can find ways to help our largest customer and to do things that are credit enhancing for our largest customer, we are going to look very, very hard at that. But as we have mentioned before, our goal is to diversify and we will always look at potential sale-leaseback options, additional sale-leaseback options with Windstream in the context of other options that we have and we will prioritize those appropriately at the time.

  • Mark Wallace - EVP, CFO and Treasurer

  • This is Mark. On your question about SG&A because we are leveraging our existing team, my guess would be that the incremental SG&A for NMS will be somewhere around $0.5 million to $1 million per year.

  • Greg Williams - Analyst

  • Okay, great. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • Simon Flannery, Morgan Stanley.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Hi, it is Spencer for Simon. Can you just quick update on the pipeline mix in terms of fiber, tower ground leases etc.? And then also on the deal size mix as well. I think earlier you guys had mentioned there was the amount of bigger deals was increasing.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Sure. So on the asset type, more than 60% remains fiber focused, a little over 20% is towers and about 13% ground leases. And again, this is a snapshot in time, this changes but that is a snapshot in time.

  • In terms of the deal sizes, roughly 60% of the deals are less than $250 million and over 20% -- almost 25% are deals of greater than $500 million. So the trend of looking at bigger deals is continuing and I continue to expect that number to grow over time.

  • Unidentified Participant

  • Okay, great. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that now concludes our Q&A session. I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

  • Kenny Gunderman - President and CEO

  • Thank you all for joining us today and we look forward to talking to you on our next call.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you again for your participation in today's conference. This now concludes the program and you may all disconnect at this time. Everyone have a great day.