Unisys Corp (UIS) 2011 Q2 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good day and welcome to the Unisys second-quarter 2011 results conference call.

  • At this time I would like to turn the conference over to Mr.

  • Niels Christensen, Vice President of Investor Relations at Unisys Corporation.

  • Please go ahead, sir.

  • - VP of IR

  • Thank you, operator.

  • Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

  • Earlier today Unisys released its second quarter 2011 financial results.

  • With us this afternoon to discuss our results are Ed Coleman, our CEO, and Janet Haugen, our CFO.

  • Before we begin I want to cover a few housekeeping details.

  • First, today's conference call and the Q&A session are being webcast via the Unisys investor website.

  • Second, you can find the earnings press release and the presentation slides that we will be using this afternoon to guide our discussion on our investor website.

  • These materials are available for viewing as well as downloading and printing.

  • Third, today's presentation which is complementary to the earnings press release, includes some non-GAAP financial measures.

  • These have been provided in an effort to give investors additional information.

  • The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures and we have provided reconciliation charts at the end of the presentation.

  • Finally, I would like to remind you that all forward-looking statements made during this conference call are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations.

  • These factors are discussed more fully in the earnings release and in the Company's SEC filings.

  • Copies of these SEC reports are available from the SEC and from the Unisys investor website.

  • Now I would like to turn the call over to Ed.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Thanks, Niels.

  • Hello, everyone.

  • Thank you for joining us today to discuss our second-quarter 2011 financial results.

  • Please turn to slide 1 to begin our discussion.

  • As you saw in our earnings release, we reported a net loss in the quarter driven by the previously announced debt reduction charge.

  • On a non-GAAP basis, diluted earnings per share were $0.93 and we generated adjusted EBITDA of $106 million.

  • We made progress in the second quarter toward our 3 year financial goals despite continued weakness in the US Federal government market and lower revenue in our Technology Business.

  • In our Services Business we continued to be impacted by lower revenue in our US Federal Business due to the ending of the TSA contract and the uncertainties in Washington.

  • Outside the US Federal business, our overall Services revenue was essentially flat year-over-year in the quarter, helped by currency.

  • We were able to improve the profitability of the Services business in the second quarter, even with the lower revenue driven by continued improvements in Service delivery execution.

  • We reported a Services operating profit margin of 7.1%, up from 6.1% a year ago, and up from 4% in the first quarter of this year.

  • As you may recall, one of our goals is to drive a consistent 8% to 10% operating profit margin in our Services business.

  • While we're not there yet, I am pleased with the progress we have been making toward the goal.

  • In our Technology business our revenue in the quarter was impacted by lower sales of ClearPath systems against a strong quarter a year ago.

  • As you know, our ClearPath sales can vary significantly from quarter-to-quarter, which is why we believe the best way to measure this business is on an annual basis.

  • We grew our ClearPath sales in the first quarter of this year and for the full year 2010.

  • For 2011 we continue to focus on our goal of maintaining ClearPath revenue roughly flat with 2010 levels.

  • We also continued progress during the quarter in strengthening the balance sheet.

  • We completed a cash tender offer that reduced our debt by $179 million, another major step toward our stated goal of cutting our debt by 75% from September 2010 levels.

  • The debt reduction actions we took over the past 2 quarters have cut our annualized interest expense in half, which is key to reaching our pre-tax profit goals for 2013.

  • I want to take a moment to highlight the balance sheet improvement we've made.

  • Slide 2 shows the balance sheet journey we have taken over the past 2.5 years.

  • When we started we had $1.1 billion of debt.

  • Today our debt is under $450 million and our financial position is significantly improved, as cash exceeds our debt by $178 million.

  • Turning to slide 3, from a top-line perspective, while our overall revenue declined in the second quarter due to the lower US Federal and Technology revenue, there are encouraging points of progress in the quarter.

  • As you may recall, our 3-year financial goals are based on growing our IT Outsourcing and Systems Integration Services revenue at market rates, adjusted for the fact that we no longer have the TSA revenue in 2011.

  • While maintaining flat Technology revenue over this same period.

  • Against these goals we saw continued growth during the second quarter in our IT Outsourcing business.

  • Outside the US Federal business we grew our IT Outsourcing revenues 7%.

  • This represents the sixth consecutive quarter of year-over-year revenue growth in this business.

  • We have done work in recent years to enhance our portfolio of Outsourcing Solutions and to focus on providing world-class levels of service and support.

  • These efforts are paying off in a stronger deal pipeline and improved customer satisfaction.

  • In fact, about a third of the IT Outsourcing orders we've received in 2011 have been for expanded work from existing clients, which speaks to the quality of our Services and our customer relationships.

  • In our project-based Systems Integration business, while we have not yet turned the corner on revenue growth, I am encouraged we have seen 2 consecutive quarters of year-over-year order growth.

  • Our Commercial Systems Integration business has historically been tied to vertical industry Services and solutions based on our own technology and software applications.

  • To grow this business we're making investments in our Industry Solutions while also pursuing new growth opportunities to help clients address and take advantage of disruptive technology trends that are changing the way people work and do business today.

  • For example, in the area of cloud computing, we're applying our expertise in complex mission-critical systems integration to help clients integrate and build their own secure cloud computing environments and applications.

  • As part of this effort, we've recently announced alliances with CA Technologies and BMC to work as their systems integration partner on cloud projects.

  • We're also working to expand the market for our Industry Solutions by offering them through a software as a service model.

  • We have seen success doing this with our cloud-based Air Cargo Solution where we continue to add new clients.

  • We're pursuing similar initiatives working in tandem with our clients for some of our Financial Services Solutions.

  • In the area of security, in addition to the work we do in identity management and credentialing, fraud detection, and airport and seaport security for organizations around the world, we're applying our consulting and integration skills to help clients protect their networks against cyber attacks and secure the exploding number of mobile devices and social applications being used within the enterprise.

  • We also see commercial and government growth opportunities for our Stealth Network Technology, which was recently certified by the National Security Agency as meeting its requirements to protect classified government data.

  • Finally, as I mentioned to you in our last call in April, to drive profitable revenue growth, we're focused on improving our sales execution and productivity.

  • In addition to strengthening our sales leadership, we're adding experienced, talented sales personnel across the world with the consultative selling capabilities needed to represent our enhanced solution portfolio.

  • Year-to-date we have refreshed about 15% of our global salesforce through this process and we anticipate that percentage to grow to 25% to 30% by year-end.

  • In summary, turning to slide 4, in a quarter where we had a challenging Federal marketplace and lower Technology revenue, I am pleased we are able to make the continued progress toward our 3-year financial goals.

  • I am encouraged by the margin improvement we've made in our Services business, further progress in strengthening the balance sheet, and continued revenue growth in IT Outsourcing outside the US Federal market.

  • As we build on our strengths as a mission-critical provider of IT Solutions and Services, we continue to see growth opportunities in the market for both long-term Outsourcing and project-based Services.

  • In our Technology business, we continue to enhance our flagship ClearPath server platform with innovative open system capabilities, and of course we're focused on closing key sales opportunities.

  • During the quarter we announced our most powerful ClearPath models ever, as well as support for mobile devices such as Apple iPads, Androids and BlackBerries.

  • In our US Federal business, while we work through the continued uncertainties in Washington, we're retooling our business model to respond to changes happening within the Federal market in terms of how agencies are buying, and the new types of solutions they need to reduce costs and be more responsive to citizens.

  • We can see this shift occurring for instance, with the government's increasing interest in cloud-based solutions where Unisys is doing innovative work with GSA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and other agencies.

  • As we look to the second half, we're focused on executing our strategy and continuing progress against our stated goals.

  • Thanks again for joining us today.

  • Now, here is Janet to take you through or results in more detail and then we'll be happy to take your questions.

  • - SVP & CFO

  • Thanks, Ed.

  • Hello, everyone.

  • As Ed said, our second-quarter results were impacted by the continued weakness in the US Federal marketplace and the lower year-over-year ClearPath sales.

  • However, we were encouraged by the improving Services operating margins, which improved to 7.1% for the quarter, up from 4% in the first quarter of 2011 and moving closer to our targeted range of 8% to 10%.

  • We are continuing our discipline in controlling operating expenses, which were down 9% from the second quarter of last year, down 14% at constant currency rates.

  • As we have discussed, in April we further reduced debt by $179 million.

  • We incurred a $45.7 million charge in the quarter for the debt redemption.

  • On a non-GAAP basis, excluding the debt retirement charge and the impact of the old Brazilian above-the-line tax item, Unisys had net income from continuing operations of $47 million in the quarter.

  • We generated positive free cash flow during the second quarter of 2011 and ended the quarter with cash net-of-debt of $178 million, a $518 million improvement from June 30, 2010.

  • We ended the quarter with $625 million of cash.

  • I will now provide some more details on our second-quarter results.

  • We ended the second quarter with $5.7 billion in Services backlog, which was down 1% from December 31, 2010, and about 5% on a constant currency basis.

  • Year-over-year, Services backlog was up 3% but down 5% at constant currency rates.

  • Second-quarter Services orders declined by double-digits versus the second quarter of 2010.

  • This decrease was attributable to lower year-over-year orders in Outsourcing.

  • These declines more than offset orders growth in Systems Integration and Infrastructure Services.

  • In the terms of geographic trends, in the second quarter we saw year-over-year Services order growth in our North America region, excluding US Federal and in our Asia Pacific region.

  • Orders in our US Federal business and other geographic regions were down versus the second quarter of 2010.

  • Slide 5 highlights our financial results in the second quarter.

  • At the top-line, we reported total revenue of $937 million in the quarter, which was down 10% year-over-year.

  • This decline was driven by lower revenue from the US Federal government and in our Technology business.

  • Currency had a 5 percentage point favorable impact on our revenue in the quarter.

  • Based on today's rates, we anticipate currency to have about a 5 to 6 percentage point positive impact on revenue in the third quarter of 2011.

  • We reported an operating profit of $48.1 million in the quarter compared to the year ago's operating profit of $106.5 million, declines in our gross profit margin related to the lower Technology revenue, which more than offset improved gross margins in our Services business and continued reductions in operating expenses.

  • As a result, our operating profit margin was 5.1%, down from 10.3% a year ago.

  • Other expense for the second quarter of 2011 was $49.4 million, which included the $45.7 million charge related to the April debt reduction.

  • For the second quarter of 2011, our pension expense increased $9.9 million compared to the second quarter of 2010.

  • We continued to expect approximately $33 million in pension expense in 2011 compared with pension income of about $3 million in 2010.

  • At the tax-line we had a $9.2 million tax benefit in the quarter compared with a $13.3 million tax provision in the year ago quarter.

  • The second-quarter 2011 tax benefit reflects the impact of settling 2 European tax cases, which benefited our tax provision by $30.3 million.

  • Offsetting these favorable events is the negative impact of not reporting a tax benefit on losses for some of our legal entities that have full valuation allowances.

  • In addition, as I have said previously, our tax provision continues to be highly variable from quarter-to-quarter depending upon the geographic distribution of our income.

  • We reported a net loss from continuing operations before preferred stock dividends of $7.6 million in the quarter, versus net income of $59.2 million in the year ago quarter.

  • Excluding the impact of the $45.7 million debt reduction charge and the $13.5 million charge related to the Brazilian tax case, Unisys generated adjusted EBITDA of $105.5 million for the quarter.

  • The second quarter 2011 loss per common share was $0.27.

  • Excluding the impact of the debt reduction charge, and the Brazilian tax item, our non-GAAP diluted EPS was $0.93 per share.

  • In the second quarter of 2010 we reported diluted EPS from continuing operations of $1.36.

  • Moving to our second-quarter revenue and margins by portfolio.

  • On slide 6, Services revenue declined 6% year-over-year.

  • Outside of our Federal business Services revenue was essentially flat.

  • Currency had a 6 percentage point favorable impact on revenue in the quarter.

  • Improved Service Delivery execution across our Services business drove higher gross profit margins as a percentage of revenue.

  • Services gross profit margin increased 80 basis points year-over-year to 20.1% from 19.3% in the second quarter of 2010.

  • Reflecting the higher gross margins and lower operating expenses, our Services operating margins improved by 100 basis points year-over-year to 7.1% and was up sequentially from 4% in the first quarter of 2011.

  • Systems Integration and Consulting revenue declined 15% year-over-year.

  • Within Outsourcing, ITO revenue was down 3% versus the second quarter of 2010.

  • ITO revenue from the US Federal government was down for the quarter, principally due to the loss of revenue from the ending of the TSA contract, which ended effective November 30, 2010.

  • The TSA contract represented 10% of our ITO revenue in the second quarter of 2010.

  • Outside of our business with the US Federal government, ITO revenue rose by 7% year-over-year.

  • Infrastructure Services revenue increased 13% compared to the second quarter of 2010, due to deal-specific third-party sales and new business wins in our Private Label Maintenance business.

  • Core Maintenance revenue declined 3% year-over-year.

  • Business Process Outsourcing revenue declined 5% versus the second quarter of 2010.

  • Approximately $750 million of the June 30, 2011, Services backlog is anticipated to convert into third-quarter 2011 Services revenue.

  • Over the past 10 quarters, we have typically between 87% to 93% of our quarterly Services revenue in our opening backlog.

  • The balance of our Services revenue comes from Sell and Bill business during the quarter.

  • Moving onto Technology on slide 7, Technology revenue decreased 35% due to lower ClearPath sales.

  • We reported a Technology gross margin of 49%, down from the prior year principally because of lower ClearPath volume.

  • Our Technology operating margin declined to 2.4%, compared with 26.8% in the second quarter of 2010.

  • As we have said previously, because ClearPath sales can vary greatly from quarter-to-quarter, we believe the best way to measure this business continues to be on an annual basis.

  • We remain focused on achieving our goal of maintaining essentially flat ClearPath revenue compared to 2010 levels.

  • Slide 8 provides more detail on the performance of our Federal government business over the past 6 quarters.

  • As a reminder, our Federal Systems business serves 3 primary sectors of the US Federal government, Civilian, Homeland Security, and Department of Defense.

  • Civilian agencies represent our single largest revenue base within the US Federal government, accounting for about 50% of our overall US Federal government revenue in the second quarter.

  • Revenue from agencies within the US Department of Defense and various intelligence agencies represent about 28% of our overall US Federal government revenue, or about 4.5% of overall Unisys revenue.

  • With the end of the TSA contract late last year, revenue from Homeland Security agencies has declined significantly as a percentage of our total Federal revenue, and in the second quarter of 2011 represented about 22% of our overall US Federal government revenue.

  • As you can see in the slide, our overall US Federal revenue declined $62 million, or approximately 29% in the second quarter of 2011 to $152 million, with about half of that decline due to the end of the TSA contract.

  • We were also impacted by the continued weakness in the US Federal government marketplace.

  • We ended the second quarter of 2011 with about $300 million of US Federal Services backlog, which was down 17% compared to the second quarter of 2010.

  • Excluding the impact of the TSA contract, Federal Services backlog declined by about 8.5% year-over-year.

  • Slide 9 shows our second-quarter revenue by geography and industry.

  • Our North America revenue represented 40% of our revenue in the quarter and declined 19%.

  • Within North America, our revenue from the US Federal government represented 16% of our total Unisys revenue in the second quarter.

  • And as we noted earlier declined 29% year-over-year to the absence of our TSA contract revenues, as well as the impact of the challenging US Federal marketplace.

  • Excluding the US Federal government business, our North America revenue declined by 10%, due to lower Technology sales.

  • International revenue declined 2% in the quarter due to lower revenue in our Asia Pacific and European region.

  • On a constant currency basis, international revenue was down 12%.

  • From an industry perspective, Public Sector remained our largest single industry revenue source.

  • The 9% decline in Public Sector revenue year-over-year was driven by the decline in our US Federal government revenue.

  • The balance of our Public Sector business grew 9% compared to the revenue in the second quarter of 2010.

  • Revenue from Commercial Industry customers was down 16% versus the prior year and represented 34% of our second quarter revenue.

  • The Financial Sector, which had flat year-over-year revenue represented 22% of revenue.

  • Turning to slide 10, you can see our revenue mix as we reshape our business.

  • As we leverage our capabilities in Systems Integration, IT Outsourcing and Technology, and continue to invest in those areas, our goal remains to drive growth at market rates in our ITO and Systems Integration business, adjusting for the ending of the TSA contract while holding Technology revenues stable.

  • Please turn to slide 11 for an overview of our cash flow performance in the quarter.

  • We generated $36 million of cash from operations in the second quarter of 2011, compared to $52 million in the year ago quarter.

  • As part of our ongoing focus to reduce the cash requirements of our business model, capital expenditures were $29 million in the second quarter of 2011, down $19 million from $48 million in the second quarter of 2010.

  • Our free cash flow was $7 million in the second quarter of 2011, versus $4 million for the same period last year.

  • Depreciation and amortization was $50 million in the quarter, down from $63 million in the second quarter of 2010.

  • For the full-year 2011, we expect depreciation and amortization of around $200 million.

  • We contributed $20.6 million in cash principally to our international pension plans in the second quarter of 2011.

  • For the full-year, we continue to anticipate contributing approximately $115 million of cash to these pension plans.

  • Our cash balance of $625 million at June 30, 2011 -- our cash balance of $625 million at June 30, 2011, was up $128 million from June 30, 2010, with $389 million less debt at June 30, 2011, compared to June 30, 2010.

  • Turn to slide 12 for an update on our balance sheet, capital structure, and liquidity.

  • During the second quarter, we took a significant step towards our debt reduction goal with the use of $221 million of cash on hand in April to complete a tender offer for some of our high coupon debt.

  • We remain focused on our 3-year goal of reducing debt by approximately 75%, or approximately $625 million from September 30, 2010, levels.

  • Our long-term debt levels are now about 53% of what they were at September 30, 2010.

  • Through the first half of 2011 we have achieved about 60% of our 3-year debt reduction goal.

  • Lower leverage was one of the key factors cited by both S&P and Fitch for raising their credit ratings to BB minus during the second quarter.

  • We view this as positive evidence of our continuing success in strengthening the balance sheet.

  • The initial benefit in lower interest was evident in the second quarter results, as we reported interest expense of $13.3 million versus $25.3 million of interest expense in the second quarter of 2010.

  • Our first half 2011 actions to reduce debt have reduced our annualized interest expense by approximately $53 million.

  • We expect about $37 million of interest expense savings in 2011 from these actions.

  • From a cash perspective, this benefit is partially offset by the payment of $16 million in dividends annually on the mandatory convertible preferred stock during the 3 years until it converts into common stock.

  • On June 23, 2011, we entered into $150 million 5-year secured revolver that replaces the backup liquidity provided by our former accounts receivable securitization facility.

  • This revolver is secured primarily by our US accounts receivable and has a junior interest in certain other assets of the Company second to the 2014 and 2015 secured notes.

  • Similar to our prior accounts receivable securitization facility, the borrowing limits are based on the amount of eligible US accounts receivable and interest is based on LIBOR and prime rates.

  • In addition to providing additional liquidity as a loan facility, the revolver also allows for the issuance of up to $100 million in letters of credit.

  • Our former accounts receivable securitization facility did not allow for the issuance of letters of credit.

  • This will enable us over time to free up the cash collateral currently securing existing letters of credit.

  • We are pleased with the level of interest from the bank and their level of support, some of whom are long-term customers of Unisys.

  • In closing, this was a bit of a mixed quarter.

  • We had continuing weakness in the US Federal government market and a different quarterly pattern of ClearPath revenue as compared to last year.

  • But we made important progress towards our 3-year goal.

  • The Services operating margin was up sequentially and year-over-year to 7.1%.

  • We demonstrated continued discipline over operating expenses which declined again.

  • We generated free cash flow and we strengthened the balance sheet.

  • We remain focused on making quarter-by-quarter progress towards achieving our 3-year financial goals.

  • Thank you for your time.

  • Now I would like to turn the call back over to Ed.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Great.

  • Thanks, Janet, very much.

  • Operator, we would like to open the call up to questions at this point.

  • Operator

  • Joe Vafi, Jefferies & Company.

  • - Analyst

  • Wondering if we could just start on the margins.

  • Obviously some good progress there on Services.

  • Janet, was there any boost to the Service margin due to less mix from the government or was it really mostly efficiency gains?

  • Or did lower government revenue actually become a margin head-wind for Services?

  • - SVP & CFO

  • Joe, as we look sequentially between the 4% first-quarter Services operating margin and how we improved going into the second-quarter operating margins of 7%, our Federal revenue was down slightly, so I think that's a good comparable to talk about where our business is and where the improvements came.

  • About 2 points of that improvement in Services operating profit from the 4% to the 7% came in the gross margin line, and that clearly came from 2 items, continued Service execution -- quality service execution delivery, and then additionally we had some time to adjust our Federal cost base for the declining revenue.

  • The other point came from continuing reduction in the operating expenses, so as we look at the Services operating profit at 7%, it is improved 2 points in the gross margin line from Service Delivery execution improvements across the business, as well as the benefit of being able to have some time to adjust the Federal government cost-base for the lower revenue, and then an additional 1 point coming from the focus on reducing operating expenses in the business.

  • - Analyst

  • Very good.

  • Where are we now in terms of continuing to talk on some of that cost reduction in Services?

  • And where are we in terms of personnel and lower cost geographies now?

  • And is there still some room to go here in 2011 on that front?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Joe, we ended the quarter at 29% of our headcount in the low cost, lower cost labor pools.

  • We got up as high as 30% at the end of April; we reduced that a bit based on some work going away in South America back to 29%.

  • But we still think that there is room to improve there.

  • We still look at the competition and see our competitors in the 35% to 40% range and that's where we fully expect to get.

  • What will take us there is new work.

  • The biggest driver for us to increase that percentage is winning new Outsourcing contracts.

  • - Analyst

  • And then it does seem like outside of government you're definitely making some progress here in terms of getting the growth in the Services business.

  • How do you feel, Ed, about some of your lines of business that aren't maybe as -- the highest focuses as maybe some of your Outsourcing lines of business or your ITO business let's say in terms of stabilization in those businesses as we look forward into -- towards the end of this year and into next year?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • I think the 2 major groups that we think about are the IT Outsourcing business and the Systems Integration business.

  • The 6 consecutive quarters of year-over-year growth in ITO makes us feel like we're on the right path there.

  • The SI business is getting stronger, but as I mentioned we still haven't turned the corner there to hit actual growth in that business.

  • Some encouragement this past 2 quarters, that orders have grown year-over-year 2 quarters in a row in the SI business, but we still have work to do there.

  • Again, our goal is to grow that business as well at industry rates and we think that's probably in the mid-single-digits.

  • So we have work to do there, but I am feeling better about the focus that we have on the Solutions that we're bringing to market and again I think we're seeing some signs in the order rates that says that we're on the right track.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Then just finally, just how you're seeing the macro IT spend environment right now just as we're here in the middle of the year, it seems like there is kind of some mixed commentary coming out of management teams this earnings season on budget available but now not being spent as much as it was or how are you seeing it?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • I think the way we thought about this at the beginning of the year is probably still pretty solid, at least the forecast that I have seen would say mid-single-digit growth in the ITO business and the SI business is reasonable growth for 2011.

  • I think Gartner just raised their estimate to I think between 6% and 7% for IT Services for the year, so I think it is still in the range where we expected it to be.

  • - Analyst

  • Great.

  • Thanks a lot, everyone.

  • Operator

  • Ned Davis, William Smith & Company.

  • - Analyst

  • I just wanted to try to get a little bit more color on the comments you made about changing the way you're approaching the Federal government business.

  • I know you mentioned that this involves trying to win business in the cloud area and things of that sort.

  • Can you give a little bit more color and then what your expectations are for what the metrics might be for that over the next 3 or 4 years if you are successful?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • The primary thing that we are referring to -- one was the kinds of services that the Federal government we believe will be buying and certainly cloud, and moving to the cloud is the major initiative of many of the government agencies today.

  • And we're pleased that we're perceived in acting as a leader in that part of the business particularly with the work we're doing at GSA and NOAA.

  • The other part of the comment I was making in terms of how we're retooling the Federal business is to change the way we operate a bit from focusing the business on large multi-year programs, which have difficulty in getting funded, to more tactical task order kind of business, shorter term projects, smaller transactions and projects that we see are getting funded.

  • So that forces us to change a little bit how we think about selling to the Federal government, as well as the back office processes, sales operations processes to support those efforts.

  • We think there is more business being done in smaller transactions perhaps than has been in the past.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Just one other thing.

  • Could you give us any kind of update on some of these partnership initiatives, particularly Computer Associates and Google, Apple, is there any specifics that you can give us on any deals or progress there?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Certainly the Google relationship is an important relationship for us.

  • And as we've announced, the GSA movement to the cloud is being done in a partnership between ourselves as a prime and Google as a service provider, so we're very pleased with that relationship, and think that there is opportunities in the future to do more work together.

  • Likewise, with Apple, CA and BMC, these are all important relationships to us.

  • We think they're good relationships, and we're working hard to deliver additional business to the Company through them.

  • As we have wins that we're able to announce and can announce, we certainly will do that.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • I show no further questions at this time.

  • I would like to turn the conference back over to the speakers for any additional or closing comments.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Thank you all for being on the call.

  • We certainly appreciate it and look forward to our next call when we report our third-quarter results.

  • Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Once again that does conclude today's conference.

  • We thank you all for joining us.