Unifi Inc (UFI) 2014 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Good morning. My name is Therese, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the Unifi first-quarter earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions). Thank you.

I will now turn the conference over to James Otterberg, Unifi's Chief Financial Officer. Go ahead, James.

Thank you, Operator, and good morning, everyone. Joining me for the call today is Bill Jasper, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Roger Berrier, our President and Chief Operating Officer. During this call, we will be referencing a webcast presentation that can be found at Unifi.com. The presentation can be accessed by clicking the fourth-quarter conference call link found on our homepage.

Before we begin, I need to a first advise you that certain statements included on today's call will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. Management cautions that these statements are based on current expectations, estimates, and/or projections about the markets in which the Company operates. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, and involve certain risks that are difficult to predict. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed, forecast, or implied by these statements. I direct you to the disclosures filed with the SEC and our Form 10-Qs and Form 10-Ks regarding various factors that may impact these results.

Also, please be advised that certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA, will be discussed on this call; and a non-GAAP reconciliation can be found in the schedules to the webcast presentation.

Before we get to the financial details for the quarter, I'd like to turn the call over to Roger, who will provide you with an overview of the Company's markets and raw material trends.

Roger?

Thanks, James, and good morning, everyone. I will start this morning with a few general comments regarding the retail market. Same-store sales during the back-to-school period were considered lackluster by many analysts, and came in below expectations for many retailers this year. Many analysts attribute the slow back-to-school sales to falling consumer confidence in light of worries over the government shutdown, and the fact that consumers continue to focus on bigger-ticket items such as cars, housing, and student loans, versus traditional back-to-school purchases.

Looking ahead, while projections for the critical holiday season, prior to the government shutdown, were generally optimistic, it remains to be seen what the real impact of the partial government shutdown will be on consumer spending. Heading into the holiday period, we are encouraged by the fact that inventories throughout the apparel and furnishings supply chain have remained stable over the past few quarters. Additionally, the region -- which includes NAFTA and CAFTA -- has held its sourcing share of synthetic apparel at a steady rate of 18% for the last five years.

Coupled with a 5% to 7% average annual growth rate of square meters of synthetic apparel sourced from the regions, this has increased demand for our products, and will continue to create future demand based on sourcing from this region. Regional demand for our commodity, specialty, and PVA products continued to create stability and growth opportunities for our core business.

Looking at the automotive segment, which has remained robust for the last three consecutive years, projections are that it will continue to perform well this year, with an annual growth rate of 8% for auto sales and an annual growth rate of 5% for auto production. In terms of polyester raw materials, we saw increased raw material prices in the September 2013 quarter compared to the previous quarter. However, pricing sentiment started to moderate at the end of the quarter.

Based on current visibility of global supply and demand, we expect raw material prices to moderate during the December quarter. The gap in polymer pricing between the US and Asia was approximately $0.12 per pound in the September 2013 quarter, compared to approximately $0.11 per pound in the September 2012 quarter. This polymer gap continues to put pressure on the lower end of our commodity business.

Turning to our business in Brazil, our production volumes and margins were lower in the September 2013 quarter compared to the prior-year quarter. The average exchange rate in Brazil in the September 2013 quarter was approximately 2.29 reals to the dollar, which is an increase from the 2.03 in the previous year quarter, and 2.07 in the June 2013 quarter. While this continues to help steady our business in Brazil, the market is very commodity-oriented, and we are facing significant pressure from low-priced yarn and textile imports from Asia.

The textile utilization rates in Asia are very low. And they are aggressively exporting product into the US, Europe, and Brazil, at the low end of the market price. Conditions in Brazil remain challenging, with slower GDP growth rates, and estimates compared to historical trends and steady inflationary pressure. While we believe that overall business conditions in Brazil are improving, and will continue to get better, it is difficult to tell when the Brazilian economy will turn the corner.

We will continue our focus and efforts on mix enrichment, which has been a key strategy for us globally. And we expect to see continued improvements in Brazil as our initiatives to recover gross profit through pricing strategies, increasing our production volumes, and overcoming the loss of VAT benefits with the reduction in POI import duties. These are our key initiatives in the 2014 fiscal year.

In China, despite generally soft market conditions, we are optimistic about the opportunities that are in development with both current and new customers, and we expect our product mix to contribute to improved financial performance for the remainder of this fiscal year. We are beginning to see the benefits of having a full-time salesperson in Europe who is focused on calling on the brands and retailers in Europe as part of our PVA strategy, since China supplies a lot of demand in Europe.

During calendar year 2014, we have secured two new programs that will come online in China utilizing REPREVE and other PVA products that will provide additional growth for the future. Our premier, value-added products continue to have excellent success, particularly with our flagship REPREVE product. And I'd like to mention a few new or expanded programs that will use REPREVE.

We're really excited about expanding programs at Nike, which will be out for the holidays. REPREVE has also been selected to be part of a new denim and shoe lining program for Timberland. And Haggar is expanding its successful Life Khaki program to include shirts and jackets. And REPREVE will be an important part of this expansion that was advertised in last week's Sports Illustrated magazine by Haggar. Milliken also recently announced that it will convert the entire range of its successful signature line of table linens to REPREVE, paving the way for the first-ever REPREVE-branded napery in the European market.

We also continue to gain momentum on other PVA products, including SORBTEK, which offers inherent moisture management and soil release properties, as well as improved breathability, to products. SORBTEK has been adopted for Reebok CrossFit socks, and Puma will use SORBTEK in a line of golf socks. We are also working with Burlington Industries to provide micro-denier woven polyester fabrics made with SORBTEK to the US Air Force for its physical training shorts.

Based on these programs and others that we have in development around the world, we anticipate that our PVA revenue will achieve 25% of our total sales for fiscal year 2014, which will put us on track to double our PVA volume from our 2010 benchmark.

We continue to look at several strategic marketing initiatives to highlight REPREVE and the importance of recycling. And we will once again partner with ESPN X Games in January 2014, at X Games Aspen.

With that as a backdrop, I will turn the call back over to James.

Thanks, Roger. I will begin the review of our preliminary financial results for the September quarter on page 3 of the presentation, with net sales and gross profit highlights by segment. In the polyester segment, we had a strong September quarter, with sales volume growing 1.5% compared to the September 2012 quarter; and gross profit improving $2.2 million, to $10.4 million. The increase in gross profit is primarily attributable to improved volumes and conversion margins, as well as lower depreciation expenses.

In the nylon segment, gross profit improved $600,000, as volumes increased 3.3% and conversion margins were higher due to the success of new PVA programs discussed earlier by Roger. In the international segment, volumes decreased 5.8% in the September 2013 quarter compared to the September 2012 quarter, primarily due to lower sales volume in China. And gross profit was lower for both Brazil and China.

China's decline in gross profit was driven by lower sales volumes, which were partially offset by improved margins. Brazil's gross profit was unfavorably impacted by a combination of higher per-unit manufacturing costs, due to lower capacity utilization; lower VAT tax incentive benefits; and negative currency translation effects, caused by a weakened Brazilian real versus the US dollar, which were partially offset by slightly higher sales volumes and improving local currency conversion margins.

Turning to the income statement highlights for the September quarter on page 4, the Company is reporting earnings per share of $0.46 on net sales of $168.7 million for the September 2013 quarter. On a consolidated basis, gross profit increased approximately $2 million, and 140 basis points, based on increased domestic sales volumes; higher conversion margins, generated from the Company's PVA sales growth; and mix enrichment efforts and lower depreciation expenses.

SG&A expenses declined $1 million, due to lower costs for sales and marketing activities, deferred compensation, and professional fees. Interest expense decreased as a result of lower average outstanding debt balances and the lower average interest rate due to the Company's deleveraging strategy. Combined with the increased earnings from equity affiliates, pre-tax income for the September 2013 quarter increased to $14.3 million, versus $5.3 million for the prior-year quarter.

Turning to our equity affiliates highlights on page 5, the Company's share of earnings from Parkdale America during the current quarter increased to $5.9 million, versus $42,000 for the prior-year quarter. For the current quarter, Parkdale America's results were favorably impacted by improved sales volume, higher operating margins, and the timing of deferred revenue recognition related to the EAP cotton rebate program. In addition, the Company's share of distributions from Parkdale America totaled $2.6 million during the current September quarter. And for the current quarter, earnings from the Company's nylon POI joint ventures were $200,000.

Turning to page 6, adjusted EBITDA for the September quarter was $14.5 million, which is within the $14 million to $15 million guidance estimate provided on our earnings call in July. Items included in the add-backs to arrive at adjusted EBITDA for the current quarter were approximately $400,000 of non-cash compensation expenses; cost incurred to relocate machinery; as well as amounts provided for severance costs, which are primarily related to the departure of the Company's former CFO during the September quarter.

Turning to the working capital highlights on page 7, adjusted working capital increased $5.6 million during the September 2013 quarter due to an increase in inventory units, both domestically and in Brazil; and due to the timing associated with declines in payables and accrued expenses. It is the Company's expectation that adjusted working capital will decrease during the upcoming quarter.

Turning to the capital structure highlights on page 8, the Company ended the September 2013 quarter with total debt of $97.3 million, and net debt of $87 million. During the current quarter, the Company generated $9.3 million of cash from operating activities, which was used to repurchase 249,000 shares of the Company's average stock at an average price of approximately $23 per share, and make $5.7 million of investments in new capital expenditures.

As of September 29, 2013, cash on hand was $10.3 million. And $39 million was available under the Company's ABL revolver.

Before I turn the call over to Bill, I would like to provide an update on in approaching deadline. We expect to file our Form 10-Q for the September quarter on or before the filing deadline, which is Friday, November 8.

With that, I would like to now turn the call over to Bill.

Thanks, James, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased with our results for the first quarter. Despite weakness in our international businesses, we increased revenues domestically and maintained strong margins in both polyester POY and DTY; had strong results in our dyed yarn, beam yarn, and nylon businesses; and saw continued strong shipments into the CAFTA region. In addition, I am confident in our PVA strategies, and expect sustained growth through this fiscal year as several new programs come online, as Roger mentioned, adding to our sales in this important segment of our business.

I have been disappointed in the results of our Brazil business, which has suffered from a sluggish local economy; high inflation; the loss of a VAT benefit we previously enjoyed; and a weakened currency. We are, however, seeing improvement in our results there, which we expect to continue as we take advantage of lower duties on imported POI to increase the sales of our higher-margin manufactured products; increased sales of PVA products; and aggressively manage price to overcome inflationary cost increases. In the longer term, we are taking action to ensure we are well positioned to profitably grow, as the economy improves and the textile consumption increases in the years ahead.

I remain confident in our China business model and am encouraged by the any new PVA sales opportunities in the pipeline, as well as increased activity and opportunity in Europe that Roger mentioned.

Turning to our balance sheet, we have seen a temporary increase in working capital related to timing in our accounts payable, as well as an increase in inventories. Some of this inventory increase is driven by one-time preproduction purchases related to a new high-value PVA business. In addition, we reacted slowly to the loss of some low-end commodity business, and produced beyond demand for a short time. We expect inventories to reduce through the current quarter and expect to be at goal levels by December.

Despite the increase in working capital, we generated sufficient cash to fund $5.7 million in capital expenditures, including the purchase of nine texturing machines from a recently closed competitor. These machines, now being installed in Yadkinville, will increase our capacity, flexibility, and efficiency. We also committed $5.8 million to purchase nearly 250,000 shares of our stock, as James mentioned, while maintaining our net debt and liquidity at better-than-target levels.

Over the past few years, we have discussed on this call the recent stabilization and growth of the US and Americas region textile industry. I feel it may be helpful to delve into the details for a few minutes to better explain our continued commitment to this region.

As I'm sure most of you are aware, over 70% of our revenues come from sales into the NAFTA/CAFTA region, and we have invested in growth here over the last few years. However, as the industry shrank under the onslaught of cheap Asian apparel imports over the last decade, there have been misconceptions about the demise of this industry in this region.

I feel it's important to clear up these misconceptions with some facts about our industry. The US textile and apparel industry employs over 500,000 people, mostly in manufacturing jobs, providing better pay and benefits than many service industries such as retail and food services.

In addition, we estimate there are from 1 million to 1.5 million jobs in support industries -- like trucking, packaging, and chemicals -- that are directly dependent, here in the US, on the US textile industry. Compare this to about 800,000 jobs in the US auto industry -- which includes auto-parts workers -- and 150,000 jobs in the US steel industry, and it becomes obvious that the US textile industry is still large and important.

In Mexico and Central America, we estimate there are an additional 1.5 million textile workers. And the industry is an important engine of growth in many emerging economies, like Honduras and El Salvador, while providing well-paying jobs and adding political stability. Textile and apparel exports are often, far and away, the largest export commodity of many countries in Central America, and supply much-needed income and capital to their economies.

NAFTA and CAFTA sourcing share of US synthetic apparel has remained stable, at 18% for the last five years. And supply in units has grown by 5% to 7% annually over the last two years, as US retail has grown. In the US over the past 12 months, there have been about 20 new textile plant openings and expansions. And many large new investments have recently been announced for 2014. In CAFTA, over the past 12 months, an additional 10 new plant openings or expansions have occurred.

Apart from apparel, regional production of items consumed at US retail is important in many textile segments. For instance, 60% of pantyhose is still produced in this region; 32% of socks; 60% of upholstery for furniture; 90% of mattress fabric; and 80% of light vehicle upholstery are all produced in this region. The US textile and apparel industry generates over $70 billion in revenue, exports $23 billion worth of goods, making the US the third-largest textile exporter in the world, and has invested over $16 billion in new equipment in the last 10 years.

As wages increase in major Asian textile-exporting countries, as safety and environmental standards there increase in response to some horrific tragedies in their garment industries, and as costs and efficiencies improve in this region through growth in production capacity, we expect to see continued competitiveness and growth here in NAFTA/CAFTA.

Now, one potential threat to this region's industry is the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact currently being negotiated, which includes Vietnam. Vietnam's state-supported -- and, in many cases, state-owned -- textile industry has significantly grown exports to the US over the last few years, primarily at the expense of China and other Asian exporting countries.

However, a poorly negotiated agreement could be harmful to this region. The US industry has been working closely with the United States trade representative and the Commerce Department to assure a strong set of trade rules, including a yarn-forward rule of origin; reasonable market access conditions; strong customs enforcement; and strict, fair, and consistent industry standards for all participating countries.

Our aim for this agreement is for an agreement that does little damage to the growing textile industry in this region and provides export opportunities for all participating countries, including the US. As negotiations move forward, we will continue to provide updates.

Turning back to our business, I will provide a brief update on REPREVE Renewables, our biomass joint venture. REPREVE Renewables has continued to improve planting technology, and has demonstrated costs and efficiencies which we believe are considerably better than our in-kind competition. In addition, we have identified several sales opportunities for the spring 2014 planting season, and are negotiating potential initial contracts. We will update you on our progress during our next conference call.

Finally, looking ahead, based on expected stable to slightly easing raw material prices and consistent sales volumes, we expect our second fiscal quarter to be comparable with the first quarter, though with one less shipping week due to the holidays. With that in mind, we expect adjusted EBITDA results to be about $13 million. As we expect our domestic business to remain strong, and should see improvements in our international businesses as the fiscal year goes forward, our annual guidance remains in the mid- to high-50s.

With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

(Operator Instructions). Chris McGinnis, Sidoti & Company.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations on the appointment, James.

Morning, Chris. Thank you.

I guess just quickly, Roger, you talked about some positives in the domestic region, but you also talked about maybe a little bit of a consumer demand maybe starting to slow here. Can you maybe just walk through -- is it the newer programs on the REPREVE side that give you the confidence for the outlook of the year?

Yes, I think when we talk to our customers, and also the brands and retailers, they are very cautious about the upcoming holiday season. And they are very nervous about providing us any long-term forecasts for volumes, and making any commitments to those volumes. But, again, they see some stability, and we're certainly feeling the stability in our production volumes. But it just makes us hard to forecast out that volumes will increase over the next six months. So we are, as Bill mentioned I think for the second quarter, our forecasts -- we're looking for more stability in volumes. We are cautiously optimistic about the holiday season.

And one thing that we pay attention to is the inventories in the supply chain. And we see them being relatively flat for the last few quarters, so any pickup at retail, we should immediately feel the impact. As you mentioned and we discussed on the call here, our PVA strategy continues to be very positive for us. We continue to get more and more placement for REPREVE and SORBTEK and our other PVA products. So we projected out that we were going to double our PVA from our 2010 baseline; that we would achieve that by the end of this fiscal year. And we're on track to do that, so it's very encouraging.

We announced various CapEx plans to support our PVA strategy. And we're in the middle of making those purchases, and we'll be installing the additional equipment in the third and fourth quarter this year. So that plan remains on track.

And then just quickly on the international division in China. Was the weakness attributable -- was it one customer? I remember in the past that there was one large customer that could weigh on the volumes there. Is that reflective of the weakness?

Well, in previous calls, we -- specifically in China, when we talk about our international segment -- we did have one major customer in China that was off. They are still moderately off. They did come back into the market, but they are not back to where their historical norms would be. They service heavily into the European market, and that European market just hasn't rebounded fully to where the US market has recovered somewhat. So we're still missing some volume at that one customer.

But we have replaced some of that volume with some new programs, and we have secured a couple of new programs in China that we've not started shipping against yet. We'll start shipping against those programs in the third and fourth quarter. I think Bill mentioned that we anticipate our international operations to start rebounding in the third and fourth quarter, to provide better financial results. So that led us to that comment.

And then just lastly on Brazil, what inning are you in -- if I could put it that way, maybe -- with the REPREVE rollout or the PVA rollout? I know it's seemingly becoming more important to roll that out, just the timing of it.

Yes, I think in Brazil, we've talked to several customers down there about REPREVE and some opportunities around recycling. And I think PVA and REPREVE is in its early stages in Brazil. The Brazil market is very commodity-oriented. We are really in the very beginning stages of introducing our mix enrichment strategy there, as far as REPREVE and SORBTEK and some other higher-value products. So that is an initiative that we keep referring to that we are aggressively pursuing there with different customers; getting involved with different brands and retailers in Brazil.

So, in your question about what inning we're in, we're probably in the early innings in Brazil. But when you look at the US market, CAFTA, NAFTA, and then China, certainly we're in the middle innings. And we see a lot of growth opportunities continuing with our PVA. We referenced Europe. We just put a full-time salesperson that's dedicated to call on brands and retailers in Europe. With the success that we've had with REPREVE with the brands and retailers here the US, we're starting to cross over now and get recognition in Europe. And they are asking questions about how they can incorporate REPREVE in some of their products.

So we felt it necessary to have a constant face in that market, with dialogue with those brands and retailers. And that's what we have implemented for the last 12 months. And we're starting to see some dividends from that investment.

James, just a couple questions on the income statement. One on the SG&A. Is that a consistent number to think of throughout the year? Or is that going to be volatile due to the sales performance?

I think the underlying spend is consistent. I think you highlight a perfect scenario, where if volume increases internationally overseas, as we expect, some SG&A will increase. And then as Roger and his group continue to identify the marketing programs to help us -- and initiatives in the X Games, and other things to help us with the PVA goals -- that some of that SG&A spending will obviously pick up. Most of the spend for that is expected to happen in the second half of our fiscal year.

So, yes, you can see an increase in the future. But a lot of it will be tied to volume, and a lot of it will be tied to those unique initiatives such as the X Games.

Great, thanks. And then just one last question on REPREVE Renewables. At the Analyst Day, you talked about the bedding opportunity; and that you should be able to, by the end of the year, hopefully maybe see some traction -- or, at least, understand your traction in that market. The question I have is, if you have the ability to provide the Miscanthus, do you have enough acreage at this point to supply that already?

Well, we certainly have enough acreage of rhizomes that we can harvest and plant to easily meet the needs of any contracts we're anticipating next year. We've not planted any acres for that business yet today. But we would anticipate to plant anywhere from 700 to maybe 2000 acres in the spring planting season, this coming spring, and have more than enough rhizomes to do that.

Great. All right, I'll turn it over, and I'll jump back into the queue. Thank you very much.

Allen Zwickler, First Manhattan.

Close enough. How are you guys?

Good. How are you?

To very quick questions. One is just to CapEx -- obviously, you bought those textile machines. But could you just update, if there is such an update, on what your CapEx is going to be for the year, please?

Yes, sir. Good morning, Allen. This is James. Yes, I would anticipate that our CapEx for fiscal year 2014 will be between $17 million and $18 million -- $7 million of the normal CapEx; $7 million being the amounts that we talked about in our Analyst Day, of the new expansions in PVA programs; and then the additional $3 million is the nine texturing machines that we referenced earlier in the speech. So $17 million for the year, fiscal 2014.

Okay. And if one were to look at the following year -- I know it's very early -- but that's higher than normal, correct? That's not the number that you would expect to be --

It's slightly higher than normal. Your memory is very good. In the Analyst Day, we talked about fiscal 2015 being $7 million of normal, ongoing CapEx.

Right.

And then the following $7 million to complete the recycle center capacity expansion and PVA programs that we outlined; so for a total of $14 million for fiscal year 2015.

Okay. So a new expansion is two parts -- this year and next year. Is that correct?

Correct.

Just to be clear.

The projects will straddle the fiscal years. You're exactly right.

Okay. And that's particularly for PVA, correct?

Correct.

And, as Bill referenced, those nine machines are going to increase our capacity some, and also provide us some flexibility around product diversification, which also feeds our PVA strategy.

Okay. Well, that was my second question was do those machines have the capability of running that yarn? I have only known the polyester business for 50 years. But the machines you're buying, are they capable of running any kind of yarn? I know you're buying them from an older company, so -- or does it matter?

The machines that we purchased, those nine machines, it adds to our flexibility. They were a little more flexible machines than some of the machines that we have. So we saw that as an opportunity to take those nine machines; bring them into Yadkinville. We're in the middle of installing them now. And that's going to add to our ability to service that PVA growth and provide that flexibility that our customers are demanding from us.

Okay. And secondly, on the share repurchase, is that more of just an ongoing -- that you're buying a certain amount every month? How should one view you buying any shares? Is it -- some days you're in there; some days you're not? I'm just not clear as to what the strategy is. And, lastly, if you don't mind, on Parkdale -- are they just doing better, or is it just timing?

This is Bill. I'll answer both those questions. But before I do, let me go back to your first question, just to clarify one thing. Even though we are showing $7 million of spending in our 2015 fiscal year, I want to make it clear -- our recycle center capacity expansion will be completed in this fiscal year. What we're seeing is a little bit of a payable spillover into the next year, as well as some of our flexibility capital, which is going to be spent next fiscal year. But the recycle center expansion will be completed late this fiscal year, and we expect to have that running probably in the May timeframe.

Okay.

Going on to share repurchases, I think through the first quarter, we pretty consistently bought throughout our in tire open window, every day. And we will probably -- as we are generating a lot of cash, we will probably continue to do that once our window opens again. Now, certainly, we are looking for other strategic expansion opportunities to use our capital for, so that could certainly change what we're doing. But right now, I would foresee us buying a small amount every day, after our window opens, on a pretty consistent basis, as we are generating a lot of cash.

As far as Parkdale, I think what you're seeing there is a little bit of a pickup in business for them, as well as some margin improvement, as cotton prices have moderated; as well as some of the EAP pickup that they typically have -- not typically -- but, actually, atypically have. It's not something that as consistent. They recognize those revenues as they spend capital. So I think what you saw there was a fairly large chunk of EAP benefit being recognized as they spent some capital in the quarter. But, overall, their business is doing quite well.

Okay. Thank you very much. Good luck.

Thanks, Allen.

Eric Pisauro, Regency Group.

Good morning. Are you giving any financial guidance for this fiscal year, adjusted EBITDA or otherwise?

Yes, I've given guidance for adjusted EBITDA of mid- to high-$50 million range.

That's fairly similar to last year, or the previous year. It's sort of persistent. Is that accurate?

It's a little better than last year.

Okay, thank you.

(Operator Instructions). Mike McGinnis, Sidoti & Company.

Hello, it's Chris. Just a quick question, to follow-up on the last question here. It would be improvement in the mix -- if you think about this year as, say, mid-50s, what do you think the potential is for the Company now in terms of an EBITDA range? Is it above $60 million once you complete the 25% mix? Can you maybe talk a little bit about that?

Yes, I can do that. I think what you're seeing is, certainly, we have very good results domestically; probably better than we have for the last four or five years, because our margins have gotten better as we've improved our mix, as we've got better at strategically pricing across all of our product lines. What we're seeing today is a little bit of weakness internationally, which we expect to correct itself.

So I think the expectation, at least in my mind, is as we continue our mix enrichment, as we continue to see recovery, we ought to be at a rate that's somewhat better than the mid- to high-50s the second half of this year. And certainly if we continue to grow our PVA business, I would have expectations that our EBITDA will continue to get better in succeeding fiscal years.

Great. Thank you very much. Thanks.

Thank you. And at this time, there are no further questions. I would like to turn it over to Bill Jasper for closing remarks.

Okay. Well, I want to thank Chris for the lead-in to my closing remarks, actually. Honestly, we're very, very encouraged with our results so far, and with our future over the next several years. We're encouraged with stability in this region and, actually, growth in this region. We are encouraged with improvement we're seeing internationally; growth in our PVA business, which is beginning to accelerate. And, really, the positive cash and earnings effects we're seeing as a result of our successful deleveraging strategy.

So we feel our balance sheet is very, very strong right now. We figure our prospects for growth in PVA and mix enrichment are good; and, overall, looking forward to building on the momentum we started for this fiscal year. And, with that, I thank you all for your interest, and have a good day.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining today's conference. That concludes the conference. You may now disconnect.