Taysha Gene Therapies Inc (TSHA) 2022 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Taysha Gene Therapies Third Quarter 2022 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, November 8, 2022.

I will now turn the call over to Dr. Kimberly Lee, Chief Corporate Affairs Officer. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and welcome to Taysha Third Quarter 2022 Financial Results and Corporate Update Conference Call. Joining me on today's call are already session then Taysha's President, Founder and CEO; Dr. Suyash Prasad, Chief Medical Officer and Head of R&D; and Kamran Alam, Chief Financial Officer. After our formal remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. Earlier today, Taysha issued a press release announcing financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2022. A copy of this press release is available on the company's website and through our SEC filings.

Please note that on today's call, we will be making forward-looking statements, including statements relating to the safety and efficacy and the therapeutic and commercial potential of our investigational product candidates as well as the strategic investment by Astellas. These statements may include the expected timing and results of clinical trials for product candidates, our expectations regarding the data necessary to support regulatory approval of THSA-120 and the regulatory status and market opportunity for THSA-120, THSA-102 and patios other clinical programs as well as the potential benefits of the strategic investment by Astellas, including the potential for a cell to exercise any of the options we granted to them. This call may also contain forward-looking statements relating to Tata's growth and future operating results, discovery and development of product candidates, strategic alliances and intellectual property as well as matters that are not of historical facts or information.

Various risks may cause Taco's actual results to differ materially from those stated or implied in such forward-looking statements. These risks include uncertainties related to the timing and results of clinical trials and preclinical studies of our product candidates, our dependence upon strategic alliances and other third-party relationships; our ability to obtain patent protection for our discoveries, limitations imposed by pens owned or controlled by third parties and the requirements of substantial funding to conduct our research and development activities. For a look and a description of the risks and uncertainties that we face, please see the reports that we have filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. This conference call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of the date of this live broadcast, November 8, 2022. Taysha undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this conference call, except as maybe being required by applicable securities law.

I would now like to turn the call over to our President, Founder and CEO, RA. Session the second. RA?

Thank you, Kim. Good morning, and welcome everyone to our 2022 third quarter financial results and corporate update conference call. I am very proud of what the company has accomplished in the past few months. The strategic investment from Astellas and the successfully completed public follow-on offering have strengthened our balance sheet and extended our cash runway into the first quarter of 2024.

We are excited about the recent strategic investment from Astellas to support the development of THSA- 120 for giant axonal neuropathy or GaN and TAS-102 for Rett syndrome. The partnership with Astellas underscores the therapeutic and market opportunity of these 2 programs and importantly, further validates our scientific approach of combining established gene therapy technology with innovative targeted payload design. Under the terms of the agreement, Astellas will make a $50 million investment in Tech in exchange for 15% of tacos outstanding shares, pre-follow-on financing as well as an exclusive option to license the worldwide development manufacturing and commercial rights to THSA- 120 and GaN for a period of time after receipt of the formal Type B end of Phase II meeting minutes from the FDA.

Astellas will also receive an exclusive option to license the worldwide development manufacturing and commercial rights to THSA-102 and RET syndrome for a period of time after we provide Astellas access to certain clinical data from the planned RET female pediatric study. Astellas will also receive a right of first offer related to a change in control of Tasia for a period of time after receipt of the RET clinical data package. To further strategically align the 2 companies, Astellas will also receive one Board observer seat on the Tata Board of Directors, enabling us to leverage Astellas, clinical and commercial expertise. The economics associated with the potential licenses will be negotiated by both companies at a later date, should Astellas decide to exercise any of this option. Next slide.

We believe we have selected the best possible partner in Astellas, a premier biopharmaceutical company that has built global R&D, manufacturing and commercialization capabilities. Astellas is a dedicated leader in the field of gene therapy with large-scale, fully integrated in-house GMP manufacturing. Building upon Astellas' acquisition of Audentes -- this partnership fits strategically within their long-term vision of expanding its gene therapy capabilities and enhancing focus on genetic regulation to ultimately bring new transformative gene therapies for serious genetic diseases with limited treatment options.

We believe Astellas' clinical development and commercialization experience, combined with Taysha's capabilities and know-how and gene therapy will help us achieve our shared objectives. We look forward to this partnership and the potential to bring life-changing treatments to patients around the world. In 2023, we expect to provide an update on the regulatory pathway for THSA- 120 and GaN in January, following our Type B in the Phase II meeting with the FDA. In addition, we intend to disclose preliminary clinical data for THSA-102 from the first cohort of adult patients with RET syndrome and initiate a Phase I/II clinical study for THSA-102 in female pediatric patients with RET syndrome in the first half of 2023.

I will now turn the call over to Suyash to discuss our clinical programs. Suyash?

Thank you, RA, and good morning, everyone. Our 2 lead clinical programs have generated a significant amount of compelling evidence and have exciting upcoming milestones that could support their potential to make life-changing impacts for patients worldwide. I'll begin with a recent update on THSA- 120 for GaN. Our GaN program includes a comprehensive and robust clinical package that is supported by evidence generated across multiple clinical, functional, neurophysiological and pathological endpoints. These include the MFM32 motor function assessment demonstrating clinically meaningful slowing of disease progression across all therapeutic dose cohorts compared to natural history decline with a durability of effect observed up to 5 years post dosing. The progressive loss in visual acuity towards blindness as assessed by Loma stabilized after treatment with THSA-120. This was supported by the findings in retinal nerve fiber layer thickness or RNFL, as assessed by optical coherence tomography, which demonstrated stabilization and prevention of further retinal tissue loss following THSA-120 treatment.

Electrophysiologic nerve conduction studies support recoverability, stabilization and, in some cases, improvement in sensory response in patients treated with THSA-120. Nerve biopsies confirmed that treatment with THSA-120 result in active regeneration of nerve fibers. And lastly, CMC comparability testing are validated that our clinical and commercial-grade material are comparable via our release assays and next-generation sequencing. We have a Type B under Phase II meeting scheduled with the FDA via teleconference on December 13, which will enable us to have discussions regarding a pathway to a BLA filing. We expect receipt of the formal meeting minutes by mid-January, at which time we will provide an update. Next slide, please.

We continue to work with regulatory agencies with the goal of achieving conditional approval in Europe and accelerated approval in the United States based on EMA and FDA industry guidance for gene therapies in neurodegenerative diseases. Based on key registrational requirements from regulatory agencies, including the FDA and EMA, we have outlined some possible scenarios for approval. In Europe, we believe there is potential to file conditional approval based on current data set for EMAA guidance documents sizes the novel microRNA or mRNA responsive auto-regulatory element platform to regulate transgene expression genotypically on a sell-by sell basis. The totality of preclinical data generated to date for THSA-102 represents the most robust data package supporting the clinical advancement of a gene therapy in res syndrome.

This includes preclinical data and neonatal ret knockout mice, demonstrating near normalization of survival, normalization of body weight and normalization of behavior, as assessed by the Bird score. Pharmacology data demonstrated significant improvement in survival, body weight, motor function and respiratory health across treatment ages and RAGE knockout mice. Toxicology data supported a favorable safety profile of THSA-102 in wild-type wraps up to doses fourfold over the clinical starting dose. Nerve conduction studies remain in the normal range, signifying no evidence of dose root [Gange] inflammation or other neuropathic deterioration. And lastly, toxicology data in nonhuman primates demonstrated that all doses studied were well tolerated while showing broad by distribution to the brain and spinal cord.

Importantly, NHP studies demonstrated that the down regulatory MIRA platform worked well with low levels of RNA and minimal expression of MECP2 in wild-type cells, which have normal pre-existing levels of MECP2. These 4 preclinical studies together represent a comprehensive and robust package supporting the clinical advancement of THSA- 102 for Rett syndrome. Our first-in-human Phase I/II trial of THSA-102 for syndrome, also known as the reveal study is ongoing. Considering our partnership with Astellas and our intent to provide them with a more comprehensive data set, we now expect to report preliminary clinical safety and efficacy data from the entire first cohort that includes up to 6 adult patients with Rett syndrome in the first half of 2023.

We -- also in the first half of 2023, we intend to initiate a female pediatric study in Rett syndrome. As a reminder, THSA-102 has received orphan drug and rare pediatric disease designations from the FDA and has been granted off of drug designation from the European Commission. In summary, we believe we have a compelling and robust clinical package for THSA-120 in GaN and preclinical package for THSA-102 in Rett syndrome. We are extremely excited about the strategic investment and support from Astellas and look forward to providing additional updates in the first half of 2023 for our 2 lead clinical programs.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Kamran to review our financial results. Kamran?

Thank you, Suyash. This morning, I will discuss key aspects of our financial results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2022. More details can be found in our Form 10-Q, which will be filed with the SEC shortly. As indicated in our press release today, research and development expenses were $16.4 million for the 3 months ended September 30, 2022, compared to $39.5 million for the 3 months ended September 30, 2021. The $23.1 million decrease was due to a reduction of $11.7 million in research and development, GMP manufacturing and other raw material purchases. Additionally, we incurred $6.7 million less expense in third-party research and development consulting fees, primarily related to nonclinical GLP toxicology studies and a decrease of $4.7 million in employee compensation expenses.

General and administrative expenses were $8.7 million for the 3 months ended September 30, 2022, compared to $11.2 million for the 3 months ended September 30, 2021. The decrease of approximately $2.5 million was primarily due to a reduction of $1.3 million in professional fees related to pre-commercialization, recruiting and patient efficacy activities. Additionally, compensation expense decreased by $1.2 million compared to the same period in 2021. Net loss for the 3 months ended Super 30, 2022, was $26.3 million or $0.64 per share as compared to a net loss of $51.2 million or $1.35 per share for the 3 months ended September 30, 2021.

As of September 30, 2022, the company had cash and cash equivalents of $34.3 million, which does not include the recent $50 million strategic investment from Astellas or the net proceeds of $25.6 million generated from the follow-on offering closed in October 2022. We expect that the existing cash and cash equivalents, along with the investment from Astellas and the net proceeds received from the public offering will enable funding of operating expenses and capital requirements into the first quarter of 2024.

And with that, I will hand the call back to RA.

The next 6 to 12 months will be a busy time for Taysha. On December 13, we are scheduled to have a teleconference with the FDA to discuss the pathway to a BLA filing for THSA-120 and GaN. We expect to provide a regulatory update on the program once we receive the final meeting minutes from the FDA, likely in mid-January of 2023. In the first half of 2023, we anticipate clinical data for THSA-102 from the entire first cohort of adult patients with rep syndrome. -- and intend to initiate a female pediatric study in Rett syndrome. We look forward to providing updates on our progress throughout the year.

(Operator Instructions) Our first question is from Gil Blum with Needham & Company.

So maybe one on Astellas here. Can you remind us if Astellas has experience in manufacturing of AAV9-based genetic medicine? I can't remember exactly what the dental sector was.

Gil, thanks for the question. Maybe I'll start and I'll turn it over to Fred because he's had an extensive experience with the gene therapy manufacturing group over at Audentes and actually took a tour of the new manufacturing site in Sanford. So the original Astellas programs in Pompe and in ex tubular myopathy, those are AAV8 programs, not AAV9 programs. But what I will say is the manufacturing is nearly identical. They're using HEK293 triple plasma transfection and suspension just like we are. And as we were actually building our facility that we've now paused, the layout was almost identical. And so we feel like there's a significant opportunity to be able to leverage that asset as the collaboration moves forward. I'll pause there, Fred, maybe you want to give some insight.

Sure. Yes. Thanks, RA. And I certainly agree with you. I think, while Astellas' main experiences in Aviate, the platform manufacturing approach that Astellas is taking, and we are developing attach really complementary. It's our intention that as we move forward our programs that it's really our know-how that will follow these programs through in partnership with Astellas or independently. So I think it's still, again, very well suited to a collaboration. So thanks for the question.

The next question is from Eun Yang with Jefferies.

[Mac Chandler] on for Eun Yang. Just want to know, with the style adoption for Patient 12 available for a period of time following the receipt of those minutes. Are there any specified outcomes from the end of that Phase II meeting or that type 2 meeting with the FDA for Astellas to opt-in? Are you expecting anything there?

It's a really good question. So what we've shared with Astellas is the full data set from that study as presented to the FDA. And we've also shared with them the range of possible outcomes that we've laid out for you guys and what we kind of consider the base case that the -- to dose a few more patients, let's call it 3 to 5 for somewhat of a period of time, hopefully around 6 months or less in order in order to kind of demonstrate clinical comparability. And that's something that we've been consistent with in our communication with them.

One thing I will say is I can't speak for Astellas and how they would make their decision, but this is the way that we frame the conversation with Astellas, and they're fully aware and understand how either one of those scenarios could play out. I think what's most important to them is the fact that this is a severe neurodegenerative disease with no treatment alternatives. The fact that the data set here is as robust as it possibly can get for gene therapy assets.

Also the fact that we have not only long-term safety but long-term durability, long-term efficacy, functional endpoints, pathological endpoints and really one that I think leaves itself ultimately to a high probability of success of an eventual approval. So I think that's the way that they're framing it versus one particular outcome or another. But again, I think that's probably a better question posed to Astellas, but the way that I've laid it out to you today is the way that we framed it for them.

The next question is from Yevgeniya Livshits with Chardan.

Was wondering if you could give some color on how a potential registrational trial design would be similar or different from the ongoing Phase I or II in Rett syndrome in terms of the controlled group patient types and endpoints. And if you have an understanding of among the several functional outcome buckets, if there are any particular ones that carry more weight in the eyes of regulators or experts in this space.

Thank you for the question. I’ll turn that question over to Suyash to discuss how we're thinking about a pivotal design for Rett syndrome. Suyash?

Sure. Thank you for the question. Yes, I think it's an interesting one. We actually know we're moving forward to the adult study. Currently, this clinical trial is ongoing and the intent historic of the pediatric study in the first half of next year. I think a registration-enabling study will really focus on the pediatric population more than anything. I think this is a key population that is of interest. But that also will be applicable to the wider population because we do feel the gene therapy will be applicable to world populations across the age spectrum in Red syndrome.

In terms of differences between registration-enabling pediatric study and an adult study, the buckets are the same, the buckets of assessments and the same, i.e., one big bucket is looking at seizures, how frequently the seizures, how severe are they? How long are they? And can we reduce the burden there. Another bucket is looking at specific rep-type behavioral assessments such as the Bret syndrome hand function cell, the resend behavior questionnaire and there's 2 or 3 embers that we included in with the adult in the pediatric study. Another big bucket is looking at autonomic features of disease, i.e., the respiratory outcomes, which we've demonstrated very clearly an improvement in the animal studies and which we know from a patient family perspective is incredibly distressing to both adults with the disease and children with the disease.

We're also looking at communication capability as a bucket and also a mix of different biomarkers, whether exploratory CSF or blood-based biomarkers or EEG, neurophysiological biomarkers. So the buckets of the sand from the adults to the children, some of the specific assessments are a little bit different, i.e., there are some specific assessments that are more relevant for children than for adults. One example would be the Babies development pediatric study that is not in the adult study. So I think there's a lot we can learn from the adult study that moved into the pediatric study. I do think that the like hood is a registration-enabling study, and we're looking a long way out now here. I registrations will most likely be in the pediatric population. But the buckets endpoints are generally the same. I'll stop there.

Next question is from Joon Lee with Truist Securities.

This is Mahdi on for Joon. Congrats on [Montara] and the deal with Astella. So about the buffering capacity of the MI rare system, what is the range of tolerated viral copy numbers per cell? And basically, what is the expected translatability of the outcomes from adult patients to pediatrics with the same dosing be used in this group.

Thanks for the question. I'll ask Suyash to answer the question. And so just to clarify, I think the question was, is there a limit in cell copy number or kind of genomes per cell and the MI rare platform and how that actually responds would be the first question. The second question would just be the translatability from a dose perspective from the adult population into the pediatric study?

Sure. Got it. Yes, 2 very, very good questions, I have to say. The first question is a really interesting one. The way the contract was designed, it was still overengineered. So there are 6 microRNA binding sites in the actual construct itself, plus an additional 3 in the untranslated region of the construct. These are binding sites to down regulatory microRNA. Now you only need one to be frank, to be able to keep the level of MECP2 within the appropriate physiological range. But because of this issue of maybe a target in 2, 3 or 4 coffees, Steve Gray, our Chief Scientific Adviser, in partnership with [Sara Senart], built in kind of an overabundance of these down regulatory microRNA binding sites in order to make sure we really are truly going to make sure that we do not overexpress any MET P2. Now the exact number of gene and copies, we don't know that.

What we do know from the toxicology studies is that we've given a fourfold dose over the initial starting dose, the initial start this is a 514 total VG and in both NHPs and in racks over a 3- and 6-month period, we gave -- we gave 3 doses in both toxicology study all the way up to 215 human equivalent. And so we know that sort of fourfold over dosing of the initial clinical starting dose, you actually see minimal adverse -- well, no adverse Tosco logical findings. And we know that there's high numbers of gene copies getting to calls with an intrathecal dose of that high. So we have absolute confidence that going into the 514 level in the humans, which is far below the highest dose given the toxicology studies is not going to result in overexpression. I hope that answered your first question.

The second question about dose translatability from children to adults or from adults down to children in this case. It's very interesting. Most of the time, when you give a drug systemically, i.e., into the vein, you have your dose on a VG per kilo basis. So for example, a 6-year-old boy will generally weigh 20 kilos. So if you're giving on the 114 BG patella, you multiple that by the 20 kilos the ways. And obviously, a larger boy or girl a 12-fold or may wait 30, 35 kilos and that on a way, 60-70 kilos. So you multiply that number and do the dose translatability on the weight. It's different for a CNS delivered drug and intermed delivered drug because you're giving the gene therapy into a very limited space. And the other thing that's different is that as children develop from babies through toddlerhood into teenage years, their organs all grow at different rates.

And all the growth the fastest, the almost the biggest in proportion the rest of the body is the brain. And so dose translatability is only really an issue between the age of about 0 and 4. Once a child hits 4 years of age, the CSF volume and grain volume are pretty similar to adults. And so we've done a lot of animal modeling, and we've done a lot of looking at the literature and we've got an approach for kind of moderating the pediatric and the adult doses. And after the age of about 4 years of age, we give every patient, whether a child and adult the same dose. -- below the age of 4, we ratio the dose down dependent on both the CSF volume and the brain volume.

And we've got a very thoughtful way of doing this, and it's been discussed with the FDA and other regulators, they are very much an agreement. But as I say, I think the vast majority of patients who will be enrolling in the pediatric study will probably be over the age of 3 or 4. And it's likely we're not going to change that dose therefore because the size of a 3- or 4-year old by the time child reaches 3 or 4 years of age, they've reached a brain size of adults. So it's likely to be the way the current pediatric protocol is designed, it's going to be the same 514 total BG starting dose. Sorry, there were 2 long answers, but hopefully, I gave you get your conference about to your questions.

The next question is from Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs.

This is [Mason] on for Salveen. Along the endpoints that are given for the first clinical data in Rett, what's your view on the bar for success? And what threshold you would view as clinically meaningful?

[Mason], thanks for the question. Maybe I'll just give a start and then we'll turn it over to Suyash to give kind of a more detailed answer. I think the way that we've looked at these initial clinical studies is certainly, safety is going to be extremely important and more so important in the RET population. The way that the construct is designed and Suyash went into this in great detail, is to really make sure that patients get the level of MECP2 that they need and actually to see not only a significant improvement across kind of the spectrum of disease, but also make sure that we are able to do that safely in the presence of wild-type GP2. And keep in mind, these patients with red syndrome or mosaics, meaning 50% of their cells are normal, and 50% of their cells are kind of know or not producing MECP2.

And to also give you a little bit further detail in the disease is too much MECP2 is toxic. And so the way that the construct was designed is to express the level of MECP2 that's needed in a genotypic manner on a cell-by-cell basis. And so most importantly, confirmation that the construct is doing that, the way that it's been proven in the animal models, both the knockout mouse the rats as well as in NHPs is going to be extremely important. And I think as we look across the spectrum of disease from an efficacy perspective in the initial study, it's really going to be the totality of data across the spectrum. And so yes, laid out some of those key end points that we'll be looking at. But for us, it's kind of holistically the study, safety, making sure that the down-regulatory microRNA construct is working well and then the totality of efficacy. I'll pause there, but Suyash, maybe you have something to add.

I could add a little bit more color. I mean everything you say is absolutely accurate. And thanks for the question is it's exactly the right question to be asking. First and foremost, we've got a clearly bar of safety as are says. Secondly, we do -- we are expecting to open to see preliminary efficacy. What I will say, the second expectation is that when you look at adult versus children, we expect the children do better than the adults from an efficacy perspective. And we say that for 2 reasons.

First of all, in general, treating a development brain seems to result in better clinical outcomes and also functional outcomes in animal studies than an adult brain. And also from our animal studies where we did a very large pharmacology study looked at dosing many different ages of retinomycin. It was clear that the younger mice performed better than the older mice. So that's one thing -- one important point I'll make. But I think from a clinical meaningfulness perspective, we spend a lot of time talking to patients and families. And it's clear that subtle improvements some of which, if they're translated in the adults -- front of the animals to the humans will be beneficial. For example, we've -- I've already mentioned the autonomic dysfunction is breathing dysrhythmia that both children and as with the rat have, and it's due to autonomic function in the brain.

We have these alternating periods of very rapid breathing, which is correlated with high loans of anxiety and then hypoxic excess where I don't believe at all for a while and start to go a little blue of cynos. And this causes incredible stress to the family. And so anything that can help moderate even that dysfunctional rhythm in a subtle way and which we saw significant improvements in the animal models, I think will be clinically meaningful for the patients and the families. In addition, if we can reduce the seizure burden at all or even bring in some functionality, a modicum of functionality in hand function, for example, all these things will be clinically meaningful. But I think another way to look at it is we're looking at many, many different outcome measures because this is a global neurological developmental disease. And even the subtle change across several different outcome measures will be very, very impactful to the patients and the families.

The next question is from Mike Ulz with Morgan Stanley.

Just given the importance of the pediatric RET data to the Astellas decision, can you maybe comment on what the trigger is to starting the pediatric study in the first half of 2023. Just curious if you're looking to the adult study in terms of a certain number of patients or a certain level of follow-up prior to deciding to start the pediatric study?

Maybe I'll just start and maybe I'll just take that question in the interest of time. I think ultimately, the main trigger for starting that pediatric study is really getting some level of patient experience and follow-up in the adult study. And for us, we don't think that, that's a large number of patients. But we do want to make sure that, that level of experience is going to be for multiple months of follow-up. And really, for us, it's a safety issue. We want to make sure that, that down regulatory microRNA, those binding sites and that construct, the MI rare platform is doing exactly the way that we designed it in the way that it's performed in the preclinical studies. That's essentially what we're looking for.

What I'll also say for the pediatric study is the pediatric study is going to be a global study. The goal is to do this study in multiple countries around the world. And for us, it's really going to be around laying out kind of the right sequence of the filings of both CTAs and then the IND in the United States will also kind of play a role for the way that different sites come online. But for us, really, the main kind of gateway to us is just getting some level of follow-up. And we've kind of detailed this internally, and we haven't disclosed this to -- the Street. But some level of follow-up for multiple months. from a few patients in the adult study would give us the confidence to include that into the data package to include that into the data package for the pediatric study. And so we're well on our way to doing that. And we feel good about the guidance that we've laid out with initiating that study in the first half of next year.

So we're really excited about it and the fact that this is a population with significant unmet medical need. There's a large number of patients out there. So recruitment should not be an issue. The Red Advocacy Group puts the prevalence of rent worldwide at somewhere of around 350,000 patients worldwide. We've calculated in the U.S. and Europe. -- somewhere between around 25,000 to 35,000 patients just in those 2 geographies. So the issue around enrollment is a nonissue. It's really for us to make sure that we're getting meaningful data from both the adult study as a gateway into the pediatric population. Hopefully, that answers your question, but thanks for the question.

The next question is from David Hoang with SMBC.

I just had one -- in the case of Rett syndrome, if you were to get MECP2 overexpression to a toxic level with the construct. Can you just give us an idea about what that toxicity might look like based on your animal studies? And then how quickly and definitively would it manifest?

Thanks, David, for the question. Maybe I'll start and I'll turn it over to Suyash. So we didn't see that in our animal studies. And again, I think Suyash laid out kind of the extensive package that we put forward to both the regulators up in Canada that we'll be putting into the follow-on CTAs and INDs to expand the study geographically. But for us, I think what we saw was the fact that we were able to dose up to really high doses, and we've kind of stopped at fourfold over what the human equivalent starting dose would be at 2E to the 15%. We just did go above that. because we would never be dosing theoretically above that level, but we didn't see any type of toxic effects. I think what we can probably do and have Suyash answer the question theoretically of what you would see, and this is really informed by the experience of MECP2 duplication, most likely.

So yes, do you want to kind of comment there? Yes. I would just reemphasize that we gave very high doses in the toxicologist -- so there saw no evidence of any toxicity due to overexpression and in fact, measured in all the tissues in the animals, DNA, RNA and protein, we've got high levels of DNA, meaning we're getting good distribution of TAS-102 into all the tissues in the NHP but very low levels of RNA and correspondingly levels of MECP2 meaning the down regulatory system is working well. Having said that, it's a very good question to ask. Just in the -- in case you see some kind of neurological toxicity that's totally unpredicted that's totally not predicted. What might that look like? And in theory, there's 2 ways of really drawing that parallel. The first is by looking at what happens in the clinical situation and the second is looking at the animal situation. So in the clinical situation, there is a condition that is ME2 duplication syndrome, where children inherit 2 copies of the KP2genes.

So they have doubled the amount of MTPI -- and they have associated neuro-behavioral and neurological issues relating to that. And in fact, it doesn't look that different to Rett syndrome. These are children who -- it's actually a little more severe than RET and the symptoms come on a little earlier. But basically, you see a whole host of evidence of developmental regression, a lack of milestones to get seizures, problems with auto nervous system dysfunction as well. So from a clinical perspective, you see neurological and neurobehavioral outcomes of our global in nature. And that's also true for the animal situation where you encourage overexpression of MECP2 in a mouse model, for example, you will see significant neurobehavioral toxicity and also a drop in survival. Once again, I'll emphasize, these are highly theoretical. We've not seen anything of that nature whatsoever in our rat or toxicology studies even when we've been given very high doses.

The next question is from Jack Allen with Baird.

This is Benjamin Paluch calling in from Jack Allen. How quickly could you begin dosing patients with the commercial product of Tasia 120? And will the commercial product require a new IND.

Thanks for the question. Maybe I'll start and we could turn it over to Suyash to kind of talk about the regulatory pathway. So as we've disclosed, we plan to have a teleconference with the FDA on December 13. This was a Type B in the Phase II meeting. And the goal of this meeting is really to lay out in detail the regulatory pathway to approval. What we've also disclosed is significant clinical safety and efficacy data across a number of meaningful functional pathological endpoints as well as really nice safety over the history of the study. And the study has been ongoing. This -- keep in mind, this is the first intrathecally-dosed gene therapy study in history. The study was initiated in 2015. So we're going on the seventh year of the study, and there was a run-in study, a natural history run-in study that initiated 2 years before that in 2013, that all patients that were dosed in the interventional trial rolled over from.

So we really have discussing the totality of the data effect as well as the manufacturing overview of the clinical trial material and the commercial material with the FDA. And we presented data on the commercial grade material by all of our key quality attributes and release assays as well as the next-generation sequencing, the product is biologically indistinguishable. And we're really excited about the work that Brad and his team performed on the commercial product. So that product is available and ready to go. What we would do is we're taking the full analytical comparability data set, including the validated potency assay to the FDA for a meeting in December, along with all the clinical data that we've laid out before. And we're putting that in front of the FDA to really ask the question that are we ready for prime time.

We think that we are based off of their recent guidance that was finalized about a week or 2 ago, which is the development of gene therapy for neurodegenerative diseases. Our program across both the CMC section across the clinical section, checks all the boxes. And it's really to kind of outline the path forward to approval. That's really going to be the key question. So I think any time after that meeting, we're ready to go to dose additional patients if that is the need, but that may not necessarily be the need, but we have to wait -- we'll have to wait on that conversation with the FDA in order to inform you guys further. What we would go back to is our base case is kind of scenario 2, which means we would need some level of minimal clinical comparability, call it 3 patients for 6 months in order to demonstrate clinical comparability.

The goal would be -- is to file some sort of rolling submission as we're generating that data. Because keep in mind, the CMC data is not changing. The clinical data for the most part, is not changing. And certainly, the preclinical data is not changing. And there's a lot of data to put forward in a submission. So we'll inform you guys more post that meeting sometime in January when we have those official meeting minutes in hand. But our base case is kind of the -- providing some level of clinical comparability, most likely 3 to 5 patients, 6 months in that range. Operator?

The next question is from Yanan Zhu with Wells Fargo.

So on the Rett syndrome, could you talk about from this panel of endpoints, which might be the earliest from which you expect to see signals? And also if the adult study 3+3 design in that you have the opportunity to expand the treatment cohort should you see any safety events. And lastly, is there a prespecified duration at which point the placebo or the delayed treatment patients are supposed to be crossed over to treatment.

Thanks, Yanan, for those questions. And unfortunately, we're not only going to be able to take a couple of those questions to probably, I'll do the first when we talk about the design of the study. And I just want to keep in mind, the design of the study for the first quarter is up to 6 patients, somewhere between 3 to 6 patients will be included in that first cohort to just be clear. And that would be patients on treated drug as well as a delayed treatment patient. On your first question, I think it was more so around what do we hope to see first from an efficacy perspective in adult patients that would give us confidence that, that would translate into the rest of the population. And so for that question, Suyash, I'll turn it over to you, but maybe it's helped informed by what we saw in the animal studies.

Yes. Just to clarify, Yanan. The way the Pecos desired, RA is quite correct that we're having up to 6 patients in the cohort. However, there is a proviso to extend that further if indeed there is some kind of adverse events, which, as you know, is a relatively common provider in most of these Phase I/II clinical trial. So that provider is there as part of the adaptive study design. In terms of endpoints that might improve, I think that it's an interesting one. I think for the animal studies, what we expect to improve quickly are the -- is the breathing dysfunction that I've already mentioned previously. There is the alternating patterns of rapid and shallow breathing. And in our animal studies, we saw that improve relatively quickly. So that's one possibility. Although, frankly, we'll wait and see what happens. But we assume that's one of the changes that may happen relatively quickly.

The other point I will make is that the other precedent is in the -- if you look at the ecadiatrofenatide study where they use an analog of IGF-1 to try and encourage the growth of signups in the brain, which are missing in Rett syndrome, as you know. They saw changes in the clinical global impression of severity scale. And in the RSBQ, which is a tag of a rated Rett syndrome general development question. And both of those showed improvements relatively quickly within about 4 to 5 weeks, you could see the separation from placebo. So I would say what we'd be looking for are the physiological changes in breathing and some of the global render behaviors improving within a few weeks after dosing. What I will say is in comparison to the Acadia trofinetide data is that don't forget, with the gene therapy to wait about 2 or 3 weeks to get maximum transgene expression. So it may not be quite as rapid as an IGF-1 analog being dosed, but I still think it's going to be -- we're going to see potential signs within a matter of weeks. I'll stop there.

The next question is from Sami Corwin with William Blair.

This is Tiffany on for Sami. For the GAM 120 program in sort of your base case scenario outcome for the FDA meeting where you dose more patients for comparability. Could you provide any color on maybe how quickly you might be able in all these patients? Have they already been identified? And also like what sort of range of follow-up could you imagine you might reasonably need to demonstrate comparability? And just as a quick second, do you still have any plans for filing MMA with the EU.

Tiffany, thank you for the question. So I could probably answer this relatively quickly. So the way that we're thinking about this -- the way that we're thinking about Casa 120 in GaN and kind of what the next stage of development would actually look like. These patients have all -- essentially from the interventional study have all rolled over from the natural history study. And so we've dosed 14 patients to date, 12 of those patients in the therapeutic doses. And all of those patients rolled over from the natural history study. So what's really nice is you actually have, call it, 1 to 2, even 3 years of pretreatment experience or kind of natural history decline. And you're able to compare that with the post-treatment intervention and kind of this ongoing stabilization in disease, which was really clear across a number of the key endpoints, not only clinically meaningful, but statistically significant. We're talking about the MFM32. We're talking about visual acuity. We're talking about retinal nerve fiber thickness.

What's also really interesting is the fact that we have biopsies. And this is really kudos to the NIH and the fact that they just designed a very robust study. And the fact that they were able to take biopsies pre and post -- so predosing and then after dosing up to 1 year. And we see the -- clearly, the -- in a statistically significant manner, the regeneration of nerve clusters and kind of this active regeneration, which is really exciting. So again, functional endpoints, pathological endpoints we feel really good about the data set. And you couple that with the fact that we have commercial scale material that's biologically indistinguishable from our clinical trial material.

So again, I think all things considered, we feel pretty good going into that meeting and about proposing what an accelerated pathway could look like to approval. Patients have been identified because keep in mind, we've only dosed 14 patients over the history of the study, and there's around 50-plus patients in the natural history data set right now. And so essentially, we could roll patients over from that natural history study into the clinical trial in order to meet whatever the requirement the FDA has laid out for us in order to generate the data needed for regulatory filing.

We'll know more here relatively quickly. The meeting is in December. We'll get the meeting minutes in January, and we'll provide that guidance. But I think if you look at the recent finalized guidance that the FDA has laid out around the development of gene therapy for neurodegenerative diseases. And you look over this program, both from a safety and efficacy perspective as well as a natural history perspective, the program checks all the boxes. So that takes you’re that -- hopefully, that answers your question in the U.S. In Europe, it is absolutely our intention to eventually file an MAA in Europe.

We do think that pathway will be further -- that pathway will be further clarified based on our conversations with the FDA because whatever you would do in the U.S., you would want to also have that agreement with the regulators in Europe, so you're only doing it once in order to support that MAA. But we see the pathways on almost a parallel kind of parallel path. But we would certainly want to make sure whatever we would need to do that would support registration in the U.S., that would also be an agreement that we could get with Europe. Hopefully, that answers your question.

The next question is from Whitney Ijem with Canaccord Genuity.

Follow-up on the RET study update in the first half of next year. I guess, can you talk about what you mean when you say complete cohort that we'll be getting? Is it -- or I guess, is there a specific amount of follow-up you're waiting for in all of the patients? Or are we waiting for early data from the delayed treatment controls? Or just kind of help us understand what you think or what you say when you say complete what you mean when you say complete cohort.

Sure. Thanks, Whitney, for the question. So what I will just reiterate is the fact that, that first cohort is up to 6 patients, most likely somewhere between 3 to 6 patients. And what we're trying to make sure is that we have enough patients and enough robust follow-up from those patients in order to inform the initiation of the pediatric study. That's really what we're trying to define here, and that's kind of how we see complete. And that's somewhat of a subjective answer. But the way that we're looking at this is 3 to 4 patients, including a delayed treatment patient that could act as kind of a real-time level of control.

Keep in mind, the natural history in Red syndrome is probably some of the most well-characterized natural history data out of any disease. And the patient advocacy groups who led the way here have done a fantastic job. So you also have that data set. -- to compare to. But really for us, it's getting to 3 to 6 patients, including a delayed treatment patient, enough data, enough follow-up in order to inform the initiation of the pediatric study. And for us, we feel like we'll have enough comfort for that to file the INDs or CTAs for the pediatric study to initiate that study in the first half of next year.

That's all the time we have for questions. I'll turn the call back over to Mr. Session for closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. And again, I just thank everybody for joining the call this morning. It's been a quite interesting quarter for Tasha and the company. I couldn't be prouder of the way that the company has responded. That's a very tough market, and I think we could all agree, it's quite an interesting market, and we've been into this cycle for over a year now, almost 2 years. And I just couldn't be prouder of the resilience of the employees of Tasha, the resilience of the patient community, the fact that they've supported us, been with us, encouraged and we really want to thank them. And so I think we're starting to now see the tie turn. We're starting to see that Taysha’s spirit rise, and we're really excited about the next few months. and what that has to offer for Taysha.

Starting with the Type B in the Phase II meeting, we'll have in December with the FDA. We're quite excited to go into that meeting and to get that -- to get those meeting minutes to be able to share early next year as well as continued generating -- generation of data in our red syndrome program and the initiation of the pediatric study in the first half of next year. And what we're also excited is to now be able to share this with a wonderful partner in Astella it's one that has a real commitment to patients, but a commitment to gene therapy, the modality and also innovative medicines. And so we're really excited to be embarking on this new journey with our partners, Astellas and look forward to a very fruitful partnership with them. With that, I wish you guys a wonderful day. Go vote, vote, go vote, and we'll talk to you guys soon.

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's presentation. Thank you once again for your participation. You may now disconnect.