Trevi Therapeutics Inc (TRVI) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Than everyone. Good afternoon and welcome to the Trevi Therapeutics 3rd quarter 2025 earnings conference call. (Operator instructions).

Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in the risk factors section of the company's most recent quarterly report on Form 10k which the company filed with the SEC this afternoon. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent the company's views only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing the company's views as of any subsequent date. While the company may elect to update these forward-looking statements at some point in the future, the company specifically disclaims any obligation to do so if.

Its views change. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Good, Trevi's President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us for our 3rd quarter 2025 earnings call and business update. Joining me today on this call are my colleagues, Dr. James Cassella, our Chief Development Officer, and Farrell Simon, our Chief Commercial Officer. I will make some comments on the business and financial results, then the team is happy to answer any questions you may have.

The first half of this year was a major inflection point for Trevi, with positive data readouts in both the coral trial for chronic cough in patients with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis or IPF, and the river trial for patients with refractory chronic cough or RCC. We recently presented these results at CHS, and it was great to see the interest from leading thought leaders and community pulmonologists.

As a result of these strong data, we were able to raise approximately $115 million in June, giving us cash runway into 2028 and an ability to execute on the next clinical studies for each indication. It is an exciting place to be in our journey, and we have not wasted any time in moving forward. Let me provide a brief update on what the team has been up to in each of our chronic cough indications.

We have recently completed a couple of important phases one studies to advance our IPF cough program. The FDA requested we conduct a drug-drug interaction study looking at any potential PK interactions when nalbuphine is co-administered with pirfenidone or nintedanib, which are antifibrotics and the standard of care taken by patients with IPF and other progressive fibrotic diseases.

We recently received the data from this study, and we are pleased that there were no clinically meaningful changes in the pharmacokinetics of any of the drug combinations used in this study. We will publish these data in the future, but we did not see anything that will impact the dosing in our phase 3 program. We also made good progress on our title study, which is assessing respiratory function and safety of nalbuphine in IPF patients. Recall, this is a study requested by the FDA to investigate if there were any potential signs of respiratory depression in patients with IPF following dosing with nalbuphine. The IPF patients in the study were housed in clinic for 10 days and given increasing dose of drug while having their oxygen, carbon dioxide levels, and respiration rate assessed for periods of time.

A planned review of data by an external safety review committee in a sentinel cohort of patients concluded that there were no safety signals in the study to date. As a result, the committee gave approval to complete enrolment for the study. We will include the available data for both the DDI and respiratory safety studies in the end of phase two meeting package.

As for the end of phase 2 meeting, we expect to request that meeting in the 4th quarter of this year. The key points we are looking to discuss with the FDA are to gain alignment on the phase 3 program for chronic cough in patients with IPF. Get their input on the phase 3 study design and other parameters of the protocol, as well as agree upon any other NDA enabling work which needs to be completed. In parallel, the clinical team has been preparing to initiate the phase 3 program in the first half of next year and is busy lining up key vendors and identifying sites for these global studies.

We have also been preparing for a study in other non-IPF interstitial lung diseases, or ILD. This population will include non-IPF ILD patients that have lung fibrosis and chronic cough. We estimate there are approximately 228,000 of these patients. With 50% to 60% having uncontrolled cough. This more than doubles the market opportunity of IPF chronic cough, and these patients are primarily seen by the same pulmonologists that the IPF patients. This keeps our clinical and commercial efforts efficient and creates synergies. We plan to request a meeting with the FDA after we align on the IPF Pivotal Program to discuss our study design and protocol for this syndication as well. Once we have FDA input, we will be prepared to initiate this study.

Finally, we have been working on the next study in refractory chronic cough. We expect that study to be a phase 2B parallel arm dose ranging study and are planning to initiate that study in the first half of next year. We are drafting the protocol and identifying sites for this study as well. So, as you can see, there's a lot of planning going on at Trevi, as well as preparation work to align with the regulatory authorities and initiate multiple trials in the first half of next year. This takes time to ensure that we get these trials right. We will provide updates on next steps as we gain alignment and have line of sight to study starts.

I will now provide a quick review of the financial results for the quarter. The full financial results for the three months ended September 30, 2025 can be found in our press release issued ahead of this call and our 10 which was filed with the SEC today after the market closed.

For the third quarter of 2025, we reported a net loss of $11.8 million compared to a net loss of $13.2 million for the same quarter in 2024. R&D expenses decreased to $10.1 million during the third quarter of 25 from $11.2 million in the same quarter last year. The reduction was primarily due to decreased clinical trial work in which those trials were actively enrolling in the prior year and reported data in the first half of this year.

This was partially offset by increased costs related to our recently completed phase 1 studies and personnel and related expenses.

G&A expenses increased to $3.8 million during the quarter, third quarter of 2025 compared to $2.9 million in the same quarter of last year, primarily due to an increase in professional fees and personnel and related expenses. The increased professional fees were primarily due to increased costs as we continue to prepare for compliance with SO 404B regulations.

As of September 30, 2025, our cash and investments totalled approximately $195 million. Our cash and investments give us cash runway into 2028, subject to finalizing the development for each of our indications. We expect to be able to fund two phase 3 trials of Haduvio for the treatment of chronic cough in patients with IPF, along with a long-term extension for those trials. Our planned phase 2B3 trial in chronic cough in patients with non-IPF ILD, our next trial in patients with RCC, and our ongoing phase 1 supportive studies.

So in closing, Trevi is positioned with strong data in 2 serious chronic cough conditions and is preparing to advance into the next stage of development for each of the 3 chronic cough indications. Chronic cough is a debilitating condition for which there are currently no FDA approved therapies. Also, the company is financially strong, with enough cash to complete the next stage of development work to potentially advance these therapies closer to the patient.

We believe we are well positioned to execute our strategy and create meaningful shareholder value over the next couple of years. This concludes my prepared remarks. Jim Farrell and I are now happy to answer your questions. I will turn the call back over to the operator for Q&A.

We will now begin the question-and-answer session.(Operator instructions).

Ryan Deschner from Raymond James.

Hi, thank you very much for the question. Have you narrowed down more of what inclusion exclusion criteria you would target for the non-ITF ILD study, maybe in terms of, in particular, what constitutes chronic cough in those studies, and would you exclude any ILDs from an initial study in the space off the bat? Thank you.

Hi, Ryan, this is Jim. So, thanks for the question. So, the, we had some good discussions with our KOLs for the non-IPF ILD study. I think you can imagine that there's going to be a lot of similarity in the underlying lung disease. We'll define that in a certain way. Chronic cough, I think we're going to go in with the standard criteria. Typically, we look at some minimum.

Amount of cough in terms of maybe 10 coughs per hour. So, it'll be very consistent with what we're looking at in the rest of our program. So, I think that those are narrowing down rather nicely. I think the important point to remember about that type of trial is that while there's going to be patients with lots of other comorbid conditions, we're really focusing on the entry criteria. Being related to the amount of cough that they have and the amount of lung damage, lung fibrosis that they have. So those are going to be the defining features for the inclusion, and then there'll be other things to manage around their comorbid conditions.

And Jim, anything we're carving out.

At this point in time, we're not really carving out anything. We're going to base it on those, basic criteria. So of course, it's a broad swath of conditions. And as we get closer to that, inclusion, or it's closer to defining that protocol a little bit more in depth, we may carve out one or two, but for the most part, it's going to be based on lung disease and amount of cough.

Excellent. Thank you very much. And maybe quickly just on the DDI study, would you anticipate, needing to do any more studies like that for a trial like this or subsequent trials outside of IPF, chronic cough and RCC?

Yeah, so that's great, Ryan. Thanks. So, the study we got done was a DDI looking at our drug with [prophenidone and tenib] as the key antifibrotics in this space. There will be other DDI studies that will be having to do based on the mechanism of drug metabolism. We are metabolized by shift primarily the 2C9, 2C19 species. So, there will be a DDI looking at probably a 2C9 inhibitor. These are things that we'll talk with the FDA about, but it's, it is expected that we will have to do a couple more phase one studies and at least one more DDI study.

Thank you very much.

Annabel Samimy from Stifel.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I was just wanting to clarify for the respiratory study, you have, you had interim results from the DSMB saying that you didn't have any issues. Do you need to complete that study before you have the end of phase two meeting with FDA and. Is there any other, hurdle that you need to get past for that specific meeting, and then separately, if you could just share a little bit of the feedback that you've been hearing from chess, the chess meeting at this point, how are the pulmonologists looking at this and how do you, start thinking about targeting, the market that you're that you're looking at? Thanks.

Sure. Hi, Annabelle. So, on Tidal, we had a sentinel cohort of 4 subjects, that we completed, and the plan was to have our data monitoring committee review those subjects. That all went fine. There was no safety issues identified, so we continued on. To answer your question. We will have the available data when we submit the package. We don't have to complete that study before we submit for the end of phase two meeting, and, our intention is that we'll have all the data by the time we have the meeting.

Yeah, and I'll just jump in at the beginning of the second question, and then Farrah, I'll have you take on how it targets the market. But I think Annabelle, we presented, we had our data presented at both chest and ERS.

It was very well attended. We had one poster at ERS. You could barely even get near the poster. A lot of interest. It was interesting. There was a lot of our investigators that were very interested in the full data, and they've got their patients, coming back to them wondering when we're going to start our next trial. So I would say people understand cough is a big problem and there's been a lot of work done in antifibrotics, but there really hasn't been a lot of work done on things that matter day to day to the patient.

So we're getting a lot of attention in our sessions. The data's gotten a lot of attention, and we also hosted a reception one night that was very well attended by US investigators interested in getting into our study. So really encouraging. Jim and I were both there and quite busy the whole time. I think so I'll let you take on sort of based on the feedback how you might be thinking about targeting the market with any of the feedback.

Yeah, thanks, Annabelle, for the question. When we look at the market, we do need to raise the burden of the disease, and that's work that's undergoing that we're continuing and we'll launch next year. There's also just targeting in terms of how we look at segmenting this market. It's work in which we'll start next year just to make sure that we have appropriately sized our field force to target the key prescribers in this area. So that's some of the work and then we're continuing to always do physician and payer research to understand how our new target product profile based on the positive poll results are seen by physicians and payers within this space.

Great, thank you.

Thanks, Annabelle.

Lilian Gerchel with Oppenheimer.

Oh, great. Thanks for the update and taking the questions. Just a couple, I joined a little bit late, so my apologies if you may have covered, but as you head into the end of phase two meeting, Jennifer, are there any particular questions or issues that you would like to address or clarity on? And I also want to ask on the drug-drug interaction side, is there any need for Trevi to run, interaction studies in patients who may be on other opioids commonly? Thank you.

Wait, this is Jim. So, in terms of the end of phase two meeting, our standard questions are going to be related to the protocol design, end points, or duration of the study, really nuts and bolts around the phase 3. We'll be submitting a full final draft protocol to them, so they'll have the protocol, with them in hand. And we will guide some of the more important questions regarding the design, patient inclusion, exclusion criteria, our statistical approach, pretty basic things that are really important to narrow down at this meeting. So we will have absolute clarity on what we need to do for the phase 3, coming out of that.

Safety database size too is an important one.

Safety database size, we'll be discussing the extent of, any long-term data collection. And we'll also be, as we talked about the DDI study and, we did talk that we may need to do some more work in the phase one world on wrapping up things for the NDA submission. We will probably do another drug-drug interaction study. That encompasses our mechanism of drug metabolism, which is through SIP systems and 2C9, 2C19 in particular. So, we'll be asked to do a drug-drug interaction study with drugs that are inhibitors of that system to understand what the effects are on pharmacokinetics. There might be some other phase one studies that we're anticipating that we will discuss with the FDA at the end of phase two meeting as well.

I would just add though, Leland, and I think you specifically asked about other opioids. They are contraindicated. We have excluded them because, as our mechanisms immune antagonists. So if you're on other opioids, it will put you into opioid withdrawal, which is obviously super helpful from the addiction side and labelling side, but we do contraindicate that in our trials and will be in our label.

Right, helpful. Thanks very much.

Yeah, thank you, Leland.

Judah Farmer with Morgan Stanley.

Yeah, hi guys, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe could you help us with the latest thinking on potential to incorporate the non-IPF ILDs into the phase 3 program for IPF. Will you get any clarity on that at the end of phase two, do you think, or do you have to wait for that subsequent interaction and then what are your thoughts on.

Launching with both indications in the same label versus SNDA, and then secondarily, obviously very high level, but any thoughts on changes in CER leadership and impacts of the programs, thanks.

And I'm just going to comment on strategy. We could probably both do this, but I think Judah, we made a decision, that we're going to go in with sort of our strongest foot forward and do the end of phase two meeting. Jim's got a lot of data, robust data. We want the FDA to catch up with where we are, all the studies we've done, the data we've generated, and we will tease up there that ours. Broader program includes both RCC but importantly non-IPF ILD which we think shares a common biology.

So we will tee that up but you only get one hour in this meeting and we don't want to get distracted debating non-IPF ILD there because to Jim's point, we need to walk out with clear guidance on our phase 3 program. So really trying to protect that. Keep it whole as soon as we feel we have alignment with the agency, we're going to be prepared to submit a protocol and non-IPF ILD and request a Type C meeting.

Hopefully that's a pretty easy ask coming off the heels of the IPF and the phase two. So that was sort of a strategy point because we could have jumped in earlier but thought we wanted our strongest foot forward. I mean, as far as the sort of cedar change in leadership, and I'll let Jim add any colour as well. I mean, obviously new person named this week, oncology person.

I don't know how much that's really affecting the divisions we've had. I mean, baffling to me, finally feedback on time. Clear communications. I don't know how the FDA is holding it together. Kudos to them. So, I don't know how much those levels are affecting things when you're in a clinical trial mode. I'm sure at the point in time they look at your NDA, it does, but it hasn't seemed to impact what we're doing. I don't know, Jim, do you have anything?

No, nothing to add to that other than. I think the surprise factor of how responsive they've been is, has been high on my list. It's like this is very unusual for me to get this kind of responsiveness, so very pleased about that.

Yeah.

Great.

Thank you, Judah.

Serge Belanger from Needham & Company.

Hi, good afternoon. I think in the past you've discussed the potential of Haduvio being eligible for orphan drug exclusivity and IPF COO.

Just curious if you have any updated thoughts on that and whether that's something you will seek, like an orphan drug designation in the upcoming, and a phase two meeting with FDA. Thanks.

Jim's laughing because he made me promise we are going to request orphan drug for IPF. I do always warn people that, I don't want people to put too much in that. Although I IPF has gotten orphan drugs. This is cough in IPF, and cough is a broad problem, so. We'll see what they have to say.

So we will apply. I think it's an answer we should know. Jim made me promise that we wouldn't do that until after we went through our end of phase two meeting. He doesn't want them distracted on any other side questions. So, I think on the heels of end of phase two, we'll go ahead and submit for that and find out their views on Cop and IPF.

Got it. Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Roanna Ruiz with Leerink Partners.

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. So, a couple for me, first one is, given the evolving IPF landscape with recent positive data from United Therapeutics Teton study, I was curious, how could that impact how Haduvio fits into the prescribing approach and treatment algorithm of physicians?

So, you want to take that or I can as well?

Yeah, happy to. Thanks, Roanna, for the question.

If anything, it probably, it doesn't really change much for us when you think about chronic cough, the high burden of disease among these patients. Physicians look at this as either first- or second-line therapy, and that can be before an antifibrotic or after an antifibrotic is initiated. When you look at the drugs and the new approvals that are already coming to market. They're still slowing the progression of the disease and they're not having a positive impact on the cough, so there's still a very high place for chronic cough therapy and concomitant therapy with these anti-fire products that are on the market or potentially coming to market.

And so I would just add too, I've heard a lot of discussion about, with improvements in therapies and treatments for patients, it probably just improves the diagnosis, the patient groups will start to grow. I think people are focused on, this disease a little more. Hopefully cough comes to the forefront when we actually have something for treatment. So, it's obviously great for the patient to have options, but I just think overall it probably grows the market as well.

Yeah, makes sense. And a quick follow-up about the title study. What do you hope to see in the results in terms of a best case scenario now that you can complete enrolment and any sort of thoughts on how that might impact the end of phase two discussion with the FDA?

Yeah, hi, this is Jim. So, we are looking at basic respiratory function, CO2, and respiration rate. So, the FDA was interested in a study like this just to make sure that we don't have any blatant signals regarding respiratory depression. So, we're taking a very fundamental approach on key respiratory parameters and looking at those. The ideal outcome for the study and the data has been great so far is that there's no findings here.

There would be no findings, meaning that there's no changes on any of those parameters. We are dosing at night, looking at these IPF subjects while they are asleep, which is considered a conservative way, most sensitive approach to this. So that's the nature of the study to really pull out if there's anything there. So, obviously, clean results and no impact on the program is the ideal outcome here. Jim.

I would just add we've obviously had this in what, 200 people now, IPF patients clinically, and never seen any signal. So, I think this will just sort of go hand in hand with the safety database that they look at as well.

Makes sense. Thanks.

Thanks, Roanna.

William Wood with B Riley Securities.

Alright, thanks and thank you for our questions today. So, a couple from us kind of focus on the phase three. It sounds like from what I can tell you, you've essentially got your sort of phase 3 package sort of put together in terms of how you want it. Obviously that's got to be discussed with the FDA and approved or at least agreed upon, but I was just curious if you could walk through sort of maybe what you're thinking.

Looking at a high level in terms of doses and or timing titration you're looking to take forward and maybe just remind us, are you going to allow patients to use background antifibrotics in the study and will you be looking at biomarker, fibrotic, biomarker improvement within the study? And then lastly, just briefly, would this be conducted in the same, sites that your, other phase twos were, or will you be branching out further?

Sure, I think I can remember all those.

I got them.

I got them down. So, William, so thanks. This is Jim. So, in terms of doses, we did, coral was a great study for us because we learned a lot from it, including, that was our definitive dose ranging study. So in terms of dose going forward, we did a lot of work over the summer.

We, interrogated the 54mg and the 108mg dose group and because of the titration up, we were able to determine in, individual subjects and looking at dosing groups that the 108 really didn't add any significant value to the 54mg bid dose. So 54mg BID will be our top dose going forward. The 27mg BID dose is a titration dose. We identified that as a minimum effective dose in the Coral study, so it will not be considered a treatment dose, but it will be considered a titration dose.

What we also learned from the Coral study. Is that when we do our titration, as we've done in all of our programs to date, we see that most of the adverse events that we see typical for this compound, which are mostly GI and CNS in nature, most of those come on with the initiation of dosing. So, what we're going to do is extend a little bit further the, once a night dosing under the 27mg dose, go into 27mg BID and then get into our 54mg bid treatment dose. So, we will extend that titration period a little bit to mitigate some of the earlier, side effects that we see with the compound. And just a reminder about the nature of the adverse events that we see with nalbuphine is that we typically see some GI and some CNS. These are typically transient, and these are typically things that you tolerate out over time, and that's why we're going to extend that titration period.

In regards to your question about allowing background antifibrotics, over 80% of our subjects in the coral study were on either [natenib or prophenidone], so yes, we are going to allow approved antifibrotics as background medication.

In terms of biomarkers, we don't have any intention of looking at those, in any, well, we're not going to look at those. And in terms of the sites, if you recall in Coral, we were running that study, that study XS. We will be going back to the more successful sites in that region. And we will also be bringing in a large number of US centres. The great thing about the Pulmonary fibrosis Foundation is that there are over 80, excellent, care, excellent care centres, and we are talking to them about, conducting our trials. So, we will be bringing it in a major way US centres, as well as Canada and Europe.

Got it. That was very. Helpful. Thank you for all this quick, answering all my questions. Very briefly and lastly, the end of phase two package, once you actually get that submitted and discussed, will you be relaying that to us and or investors, the public or is that just, how will that be, Dispersed I guess.

Yeah, no, it's a good question, William. I think typically you do the meeting and then you wait 30 days for the minutes. Usually, you want to wait to see the minutes so that what we think we heard we actually see in writing when we get it. When we have that information, we'll definitely give an update to the street. I mean we probably won't put out a separate press release. I think on one of our earnings calls or some venue we'll use it to update people, but yeah, it's important information for sure.

Got it. Helpful. Thank you very much, and I'll hop back in the queue.

Okay, thanks, William.

Kaveri Pohlman from Clear Street.

Hi, good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. So, my first question is about, how well do the current trial match the real-world patients considering things like, the inclusion, exclusion criteria, comorbidities, or use of other drugs. And for future trials for both, IPF and RCC, do you plan to make the eligibility criteria broader to include a more diverse population or will they stay the same?

Yeah, hi, this is Jim. So, we will keep this population for the phase 3 as broad as possible. We are really trying, not to make it strictly a clinical trial population, but we want to keep it broad. So, we are working with the KOLs to really refine our inclusion exclusion criteria to make it definitely more real world. So, we will have few restrictions other than they need to be diagnosed with IPF they need to be, have some other things that make them relatively healthy that they can actually be involved in the study. So, I can promise you that it will be as broad as possible as real life as possible.

Not too much different than our 2B.

Not very much different. In fact, we're actually, we're finding a few things to broaden it from our 2B. We will allow basically, unless something that is going to Interfere with our ability to measure cloth, or we'll have a direct impact on cloth in the trial. Their con meds will be allowed to, for normal. And I don't know if there's any, what else did you, was there anything else that you asked? I think I covered those two things. Okay.

Right. Yeah, that's helpful. And, I also want to understand for the RCC phase 2B trial, do you plan to study the same dosing regimen as it was in the phase 2A or you plan to kind of test QD options also since the drug seems pretty safe?

Yeah, we're actually going to, probably, eliminate the top 108 dose in that trial and, we will be exploring, QD dosing, once a day dosing, in that trial as well as BID, as well as the BID. So, we'll probably add a 27 qd arm in there because if you recall the data, our 27 BID dose was, about as effective as the two higher doses.

Got it. And maybe just like the last one. So respiratory safety study, it was surprising that the FDA needed that after you showed 200 patients' worth of data, but I still want to understand, do you, will you be assessing long-term effects? Do you need to keep patients on to provide that data or it's not required?

So I think the FDA is curious about doing a very specific study. I've been in this situation before where they like to see a more directed controlled study, just rather than collecting adverse events. So, I think it's, their prerogative to ask for a study like this, I think it's going well. I'm sorry, what was the second part?

We will do long-term, data collection in our phase three program. The anticipation based on previous FDA experience here is, they'll be looking for something like 52 weeks of safety data.

All right, thank you.

Thanks Kaveri.

I'm not showing any further questions. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jennifer Good for closing remarks.

Thank you. We appreciate you joining us for today's call. I know this is the end of earnings season, so you're all probably happy as well. Enjoy the upcoming holidays, and we are available after the call or tomorrow for any follow-up questions that you may have. Thank you.

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.