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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the TJX Companies fourth quarter and full fiscal 2012 financial results conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder this conference call is being recorded today, Wednesday, February 22, 2012. I would like to turn the conference over to Ms Carol Meyrowitz, Chief Executive Officer of the TJX Companies Inc. Please go ahead, ma'am.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Thanks, Candy. Before we get started, Sherry has a few words.

  • Sherry Lang - SVP, Global Communications

  • Good morning. The forward-looking statements we make today about the Company's results and plans are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results and the implementation of the Company's plans to vary materially. These risks are discussed in the Company's SEC filings including without limitation, the Form 10-K filed March 30, 2011.

  • Further, these comments and the Q&A that follows are copyrighted today by the TJX Companies. Any recording, retransmission, reproduction or other use of the same for profit or otherwise without prior consent of TJX is prohibited and a violation of the United States Copyright and other laws. Additionally, while we have approved the publishing of a transcript of this call by a third party, we take no responsibility for inaccuracies that may appear in that transcript. Please note, that the financial results and expectations we discuss today are on a continuing operations basis.

  • Also, we have detailed the impact of foreign exchange on our consolidated results in our international divisions in today's press release and in the Investor Information section of our website, www.tjx.com. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures we discuss today to GAAP measures are included in today's press release are otherwise posted on our website, again, www.tjx.com, in the Investor Information section. Thank you. Now I'll turn it back to Carol.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Thanks, Sherry and good morning. Joining Sherry and me on the call are Ernie Herrman, Jeff Naylor and Scott Goldenberg, who as you know was promoted to CFO last month. We are very pleased Scott is taking on a bigger role with TJX and will continue to benefit from the combined leadership of Jeff and Scott. Jeff will be reviewing the financials on our call today and going forward Scott will be doing this.

  • 2011 was another great year for TJX. On an adjusted basis, earnings per share increased 14% and our five-year compound annual EPS growth rate is 20%. Consolidated comps increased 4%, on top of 4% and 6% increases in the past two years respectively. We believe that these numbers speak for themselves as to the sustainability and strength of our business model. 2012 is off to a very strong start and we see ourselves as being at an exciting inflection point with great momentum working in our favor.

  • Today we will be keeping the conversation on this call very strategic. We will tell you how we are investing and positioning TJX for the next level of growth and why we are so confident in our short- and long-term future. Importantly, while we are investing more aggressively for the future, we expect our investments to start to flatten out in calendar 2013 and are maintaining our model of 10% to 13% annual EPS growth which assumes a 2% comp increase. We are confident that we will deliver as always and we'll strive to exceed these goals. Before I continue let me turn the call over to Jeff to recap full year and fourth quarter results.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Okay, thanks Carol. Good morning everyone. Up front, let me remind everyone that our 2-for-1 stock split was completed earlier this month, so all of our EPS and share numbers are now on a split adjusted basis. As Sherry noted at the top of the call, we will be referring to adjusted numbers in today's remarks. Which exclude the impact of the AJ Wright consolidation in both fiscal 2012 and fiscal 2011. As well -- and also include an intrusion related adjustments that impacted fiscal 2011.

  • So, let me now turn to the full year fiscal year 2012 results. Our net sales reached $23.2 billion that is a 6% increase over last year. Consolidated comps for our sales were up 4% on top of very strong increases in the past two years as Carol noted earlier. The 4% comp in fiscal 2012 was driven by a balanced increase between ticket and transactions as we continue to grow our customer base. On an adjusted basis, earnings per share were $1.99, a 14% increase on top of the last two years increases of 23% and 48% respectively. Obviously we are very pleased to sustain such strong EPS growth up against very difficult comparisons. Foreign currency rates added $0.01 to earnings per share this year compared to a $0.01 negative impact in the prior year, but had no impact on pretax margins comparison.

  • Now, in our press release today we called out the impact of certain fourth quarter items on EPS and pretax margins in both the full year and the fourth quarter periods. These fourth quarter items include costs related to the closing of the Company's STYLESENSE stores in Canada, an early retirement program, the closure of a European office facility, a separation agreement, and certain write-offs and adjustments at TJX Europe. Those were offset in part by the net benefit of favorable tax adjustments.

  • Now, normally we don't go into this level of detail on operations, but these items which we discussed in prior sales releases and which were significant in the aggregate were not anticipated in our original guidance. They are large enough to impact profit flow-through on year-over-year comparison, so we thought we would call them out and talk to them. Combined, these items reduced EPS by $0.02 for both the fourth quarter and the full year and also reduce consolidated pretax profit margins by 20 basis points for fiscal 2012, and by 50 basis points for the fourth quarter. The majority of this margin impact is in SG&A. So, that's a little bit about the fourth quarter items.

  • For the full year, the consolidated adjusted pretax profit margin was 10.7%. That is a 10 basis point increase over last year, and in line with our prior guidance. Gross profit margins were up 30 basis points but were partially offset by 20 basis points of SG&A deleverage, which was primarily due to the 20 basis point of deleverage from the fourth quarter items I just covered.

  • As to inventories, at the end of the fourth quarter, consolidated inventories on a per store basis including the warehouses, were up 3% for our existing businesses. This is less than the mid single-digit increase we had anticipated and down significantly from the mid teens per store increase at the end of the third quarter. With store inventories down and turning more quickly and forward purchase commitments down significantly compared to last year, we feel very good about the liquidity in our inventories and are in a great position to capitalize on the opportunities we are seeing in the marketplace.

  • In terms of share repurchases, for the year we bought back $1.4 billion of TJX stock retiring 49.7 million shares on a post-split basis which was more than we had originally planned. During the fourth quarter, we bought back $402 million of TJX stock retiring 12.5 million shares again on a post-split basis. So, that is the full year, fiscal 2012 wrap up. Let me now recap fourth quarter results.

  • Net sales were $6.7 billion, that is a 6% increase over last year and our consolidated comps for sales were up a very strong 7% over last year. EPS for the fourth quarter was $0.62. That's a 17% increase, on top of adjusted increases of 13% and 104% in the two prior years respectively. Foreign currency exchange rates negatively impacted current year earnings per share by $0.01 compared to a neutral impact in the prior year and adversely impacted pre-tax profit margin comparisons by approximately 20 basis points. FYI, for comparison purposes, on a pre-split basis Q4 EPS would've been $1.25 or an adjusted 19% increase.

  • Our guidance on a pre-split basis called for EPS at or slightly above the high end of our $1.19 to $1.23 original range. Consolidated pretax profit margin for the quarter was 11.3% that's a 10 basis point increase over prior year and that is up 30 basis points, if we exclude the impact of foreign exchange. The gross profit margin improved 30 basis points while SG&A delevered 20 basis points. The fourth quarter items I just mentioned negatively impacted pretax profit margins by 50 basis points, primarily in SG&A. It's important to note that merchandise margins were up 10 basis points for the fourth quarter despite the promotional environment and mark downs that were taken to clear seasonal inventories. Now let me turn the call back to Carol and I will recap our first quarter and full year fiscal 2013 guidance at the end of the call.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Thanks, Jeff. So, the major themes I want to highlight are the momentum of our business, how we're investing for the future, our opportunities for growth, and that we are continually raising the bar in every area of the business. Most importantly, I want to reiterate how strongly we believe we will become a Company of $40 billion and beyond. First, we have tremendous momentum. For the third consecutive year, we ended the year with significant increases in customer traffic. We are convinced we will continue to attract new customers as value remains a top priority for our consumers. We are using our off-price platform to deliver outrageous value to our consumers with what we see as the most exciting assortment of brands and fashion setting us apart from other retailers. This is what TJX is all about.

  • Our US divisions continue to outperform in 2011, posting big numbers on top of big numbers. Marmaxx comped up 5%, over growth of 4% last year and 7% the year before that. HomeGoods delivered a 6% increase in 2011, over 6% and 9% increases in the past two years respectively. Both divisions also continue to increase their bottom-line profit and perhaps most importantly, both are entering 2012 with great momentum. TJX Europe is back on solid track with strong operating results in the fourth quarter and we feel very good about this business as we begin a new year and certainly going forward. TJX Canada did regain its momentum at the end of 2011 and we are confident it is well-positioned for 2012.

  • During 2011, we took several actions to set the table for the new year and longer-term future. We closed AJ Wright because it was the right move for the short- and long-term economics of the Company. More recently we closed STYLESENSE as the Marshals shoe business is so strong in Canada. We closed a corporate facility in Europe to better align our business. This is what we do at TJX.

  • We take intelligent risks and do what is right for the business. We test and we test again. We capitalize on what works and move beyond what doesn't. Today, we are one TJX with a no walls environment focused on fewer, bigger businesses. Now, to the strategic investments we're making to support our growth. We have told you that we are confident that we will grow to be a Company of $40 billion and beyond. I remain convinced that we will do that.

  • I'd like to discuss what key investments will help us get there. We are investing significantly in our supply chain and systems. As great as our supply chain is, we have lots of room to improve processes we perform manually now. This will help us get even more pointed in shipping the right goods to the right stores at the right time. We will be investing in a new distribution center on the West Coast. The first new DC for Marmaxx in 10 years. We believe this will lead to even greater ease of shipping freshness and excitement for our customers every time they walk into our stores. We also will be investing in a new data center and systems to support our growing operations. We are making a substantial investment to start up e-commerce which I'll talk more about in a moment. We are, of course, investing in store growth. We also will continue to aggressively remodel our stores to improve customer shopping experience as well as invest in other in-store initiatives. We are investing in talent both our TJX University and our future bench as well as other programs to develop our associates for the future.

  • Lastly, we will be investing in both our corporate and buying offices in order to support our future growth. To help fund our investments and drive profitability and returns to shareholders, we will continue our cost cutting control measures. We are planning cost reductions in the $50 million to $75 million range in 2012. These cost reductions also -- along with expected merchandise margin improvement, will help us deliver our 2012 plan which calls for flat to increasing profit margins on a 1% to 2% comp and Jeff will cover the details a little bit later. Importantly, as much as we believe we must significantly invest in our business in 2012, we are maintaining our 10% to 13% annual EPS growth model and as always we'll strive to surpass it. Again, we expect our investments to start to flatten out in calendar 2013, which should give us an opportunity to leverage even more.

  • Now let me turn to growth. We are more excited about our huge growth opportunities both in the US and internationally. As we have discussed before, we believe Marmaxx will be a bigger business than we thought just over a year ago. And see this chain growing to at least 2,400 stores. We've also discussed that we believe HomeGoods will be bigger than we originally thought. We raised our growth expectations of this chain to 750 stores in 2011. With other major US home retail chains more than twice the size of HomeGoods today, we are very confident in the long-term potential to achieve these numbers. At TJX Europe we are in a good track and see the long-term potential for up to 875 stores in just our current markets with our current concept alone. We will proceed prudently but remain as confident as ever in our huge opportunities in Europe.

  • In Canada, Marshals is another growth catalyst. We see the potential to grow TJX Canada overall to 430 stores and we will be growing this business steadily. E-commerce is clearly in our future. We continue to see e-commerce as a major opportunity for TJX. We see it as a marriage between our stores and the web. We plan to lever our $23 billion brick and mortar business and merchant organization that is over 700 people strong. We expect to offer outrageous value and utilize our flexibility aiming to be a more flexible platform than others. We believe e-commerce will open up a greater landscape for categories. Just think about the potential for us to carry categories online that we wouldn't carry in our stores. We have a strong team assembled, consisting of experienced e-commerce talent and off prices. The more we learn, the more convinced we are of the huge opportunity e-commerce can be for us. That said, we will take our time and we will do it right. We are not ready to talk timing, yet. And we will have more to say as we move through the year.

  • To continue our momentum, we are constantly raising the bar. This is the drive of our management team. We push harder and stay focused on execution in the near-term and position the business for successful growth in the long-term. We are continuously striving for even better execution of all the elements of the model that make this Company great. Above all, we are all about value.

  • Other retailers are getting it and talking about value now. It has been our mission since day one. We are no longer satisfied with offering customers great value, we have focused on offering outrageous value. We will be pursuing untapped customers with our values. We have made significant gains in the US market but our research tells us that only 25% of US adults have shopped TJ Maxx or Marshalls in the last year which is much less a number than have shopped department stores. With four powerful business, we still have tremendous opportunity to market even harder and bring new customers into our stores. This is even before incorporating e-commerce which will only add more customers. We increased our marketing impressions by 30% this past holiday season to 1 billion impressions.

  • In the aggregate, our brand -- our websites averaged over 4 million -- well over 4 million visits every month and this is without selling merchandise online other than a small amount in the UK. Our brilliance is our brands and we believe we will make our brand's penetration even stronger. Our vendor universe now numbers over 15,000 vendors as we continue to expand our global sourcing. We plan to continue opening more new vendor doors and building even stronger vendor relationships. As I said earlier, I believe we can get even better at delivering the right goods to the right stores at the right time. We dramatically decreased store inventories over the last two years and turned them faster leading to both stronger sales and margin. We also have a significant opportunity to further reduce inventory and turn them even faster.

  • Another factor that gives me such confidence in our future is our financial strength. Our business continues to deliver superior financial returns for our shareholders, some of the highest in all of retail, and generates an enormous amount of excess cash. For 2012, we plan to continue to balance the use of cash between investing in the profitable growth of our business and distributing cash to our shareholders through dividends and share buyback. On the investment front, we are making significant investments to support our growth and plan to increase capital spending to $875 million to $900 million range and Jeff will cover the details in a moment.

  • Even with this increase, we still intend to buyback $1.2 billion to $1.3 billion of TJX stock and expect that our Board of Directors will increase our dividend by 21%. This would mark the 16th consecutive year of dividend increases and reflect a compound annual growth rate of 23% for that period. Even with this level of shareholder distribution, we still plan to end fiscal 2013 with approximately $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion in cash which provides significant financial flexibility.

  • We split the stock 2-for-1 earlier this year. Since our last stock split in 2002, TJX share price has more than tripled. Over the past 1-year, 5-year and 10-year periods, our total shareholder returns have significantly exceeded both the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones apparel retail Index. TJX is a Company with tremendous financial strength. All of this underscores the reasons for our confidence in the business and our ability to continue to deliver significant increases in sales, earnings, and cash flow to generate superior financial returns. In closing, I feel so good about where the Company is today, this business has so much promise. 2011 was another great year that reinforces all the points of our amazing business model. With strong execution, our flexible model plays well in almost any environment.

  • It is our future that excites me the most. The year is off to a very strong start and we believe we have great momentum for 2012 and beyond. We are excited about our growth prospects and confident that the investments we are making to support our growth are the right ones. I love the Management team we have in place which has amazing talent, knowledge and ability. Beyond this team, TJX has a deeply experienced bench from which to draw the future leaders of our Company. We are focused on seeing people grow successfully within our Company. We are motivated and ready to move forward in growing TJX to $40 billion and beyond. Now, I'll turn it back to Jeff to go through our guidance and then we'll open it up for questions.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Okay, before I get to guidance I wanted to touch on the flow-through we saw in the fourth quarter. So for the quarter, we had a 7% comp store sales increase. Ordinarily, we would expect about 80 to 90 basis points of pretax margin improvement at this level of comp. Now, the actual pretax margin improvement was 10 basis points which raised the question of flow-through. There were two factors here, first, excluding FX for foreign exchange, pretax margins were up 30 basis points. So, FX had a 20 basis point impact on our year-over-year margin comparisons. Second, we had the impact of the fourth quarter items which negatively impacted pretax margins by 50 basis points for the quarter. So, these two items explain the flow-through and why there wasn't as much leverage as we'd normally expect.

  • Importantly, our model for fiscal 2013 -- I'm going to get that in a moment, reflects the profit margin that is flat to slightly up over LY on a 1% to 2% comp. So, clearly we are confident in the flow-through of our model looking forward. By the way that model includes the incremental vestments to support the growth that Carol talked about earlier. One other point, some of the fourth quarter items also impacted Europe's performance. So, while fourth quarter segment profit was up 89%, at TJX Europe, and segment profit margin was up 220 basis points -- actually it is up 280 basis points ex currency, the fourth quarter items had a negative impact of almost 200 basis points on the European profit margins. So that's some important color around Europe's results.

  • Let me begin guidance by just briefly touching on our three-year outlook. The three-year growth model is unchanged and continues to call for compound EPS growth of 10% to 13%. The components also remain unchanged reflecting a 2% comp store sales increase, square footage growth in the 4% to 5% rate, 1 to 2 points of EPS growth coming from further improvements in pretax profit margin, and 4 points of EPS growth coming from the buyback. So that's the three-year model.

  • Now to fiscal 2013 guidance. As you can see from today's release, we provided fiscal 2013 guidance on both a GAAP basis and an adjusted basis. The adjusted basis as always excludes the impact of the AJ Wright consolidation on fiscal 2012 and I'm going to speak to the adjusted numbers today.

  • So, let me begin with the full year. For the full year we expect diluted earnings per share in the range of $2.21 to $2.31. Which represents an 11% to 16% increase over the adjusted $1.99 in fiscal 2012. Now this guidance includes a 53rd week in the fiscal 2013 calendar which we expect will benefit the full year and the fourth quarter by approximately $0.07 per share. On a 52 week basis, excluding the $0.07 benefit, full year EPS would be $2.14 to $2.24. That is up 8% to 13% over the adjusted $1.99 in fiscal 2012 and obviously very, very much in line with the three-year model.

  • Now to some of the components of the guidance. Our EPS guidance assumes consolidated top line sales of about $24.5 billion to $24.8 billion, a 6% to 7% increase over last year including the 53rd week. We are assuming the 53rd week contributes approximately 1.5 percentage points of this increase. For comp store sales we're assuming a 1% to 2% increase on both a consolidated basis and at the Marmaxx group and the comps by definition excludes the 53rd week.

  • For the year, we expect pretax profit margins to be 10.9% to 11.2%. This represents a 20 to 50 basis point increase over the adjusted fiscal 2012 pretax profit margin of 10.7% with approximately 20 basis points of this increase due to the benefit from the 53rd week. So, that implies that pretax profit margins on a 52-week basis will be flat to up 30 basis points and that is on a 1% to 2% comp. So, actually a little better than we would expect on a 1% to 2% comp. We're planning gross profit margins to be 27.6% to 27.9% which is up 20 to 50 basis points over the adjusted 27.4% in fiscal 2012. The majority of this improvement is driven by merchandise margins with approximately 10 basis points due to the 53rd week.

  • In terms of SG&A, we expect SG&A to be approximately 16.6% as a percent of sales versus the adjusted 16.5% in fiscal 2012. The 53rd week benefits SG&A expense ratios in fiscal 2013 by approximately 10 basis points and the non-anniversarying of last year's fourth quarter items has a 15 basis point benefit. However, these two items are offset by the incremental investments in our business that Carol outlined earlier and which negatively impact SG&A ratios by about 25 basis points. So, the remaining 10 basis point increase in SG&A is about what we would expect on a 1% to 2% comp.

  • Foreign exchange rates assuming current levels are not expected to impact full year EPS growth. In terms of capital spending, it's expected to be in the $875 million to $900 million range. The increase over prior year levels reflect similar levels of spending on new stores and remodels, but investment in the new Marmaxx DC, investments in new systems -- including the data center and investments in e-commerce. So that's the reason for the CapEx increase. For modeling purposes we're planning net interest expense in the $30 million to $31 million range. A tax rate of 38.5% which is up 50 basis points due to the favorable tax adjustments in the prior year and a weighted average share count of 741 million shares.

  • Now the first -- so that's full year guidance. Now let me turn to the first quarter guidance. As you can see from the release today, we expect earnings per share to be in the range of $0.45 to $0.47 that is a 15% to 21% increase over last year's adjusted $0.39 per share. In terms of the components of that, we're assuming a first quarter top line in the $5.5 billion to $5.6 billion range. This is based on comp sales growth in the 2% to 4% range on a consolidated basis and 2% to 3% at the Marmaxx group.

  • At the monthly comps for February, we're planning comp sales increases of approximately 7% on a consolidated basis and at the Marmaxx group. For the combined March-April period, we are planning on comp sales growth in the range of 1% to 3% on both a consolidated basis and at Marmaxx. In March, we are planning comps to increase 1% to 3% and in April flat to up 2% on both a consolidated basis and at Marmaxx. S In terms of margins, pretax profit margins are planned in the 10.1% to 10.4% range for the first quarter, up 50 to 80 basis points over the adjusted margin in the prior year. We are anticipating the first quarter gross profit margin in the range of 27.5% to 27.7%, that is up 60 to 80 basis points versus the adjusted 26.9% gross profit margin in the prior year. That is up due to strong merchandise margins as well as the non-anniversarying of last year's 30 basis point negative mark-to-market impact. So, those are the two factors behind the gross profit margin increase.

  • We are expecting SG&A as a percent of sales to be in the 17.2% to 17.3% range. That's a 10 to 20 basis point increase over last year's adjusted ration of 17.1%. First quarter SG&A ratio comparisons to prior year are impacted by the timing of our investment spending which didn't ramp up until the back half of last year, leading the less favorable year-over-year comparisons in the first half of fiscal 2013. In terms of foreign exchange rates, assuming current levels, FX is expected to have a neutral impact on EPS this year compared to $0.02 negative impact on EPS in last year's first quarter. For modeling purposes, we're anticipating a tax rate of 38.6% and net interest expense to be the $7 million to $8 million range. We anticipate a weighted average share count of approximately 753 million shares.

  • I'll wrap up the guidance with our store growth plans for fiscal 2013. On a consolidated basis we plan to add approximately 160 new stores, with approximately 10 planned closings. This will result in 150 net new stores for a total of 3,055 stores by year-end, increasing square footage by approximately 5%. In the US, with the continued very strong performance at Marmaxx and HomeGoods, we will continue to aggressively expand these businesses. Our plans call for 85 new stores at Marmaxx and 40 new stores at HomeGoods. Internationally we will continue to grow our store base steadily. At TJX Canada we plan to add 15 new stores in fiscal year 2013 including 9 Marshalls stores. At TJX Europe we expect to add 10 new stores this year.

  • We will now open the call for questions. We ask that you please limit your questions to one per person to keep the call on schedule. We would appreciate if you could cooperate with this limit. Thanks and we will take questions now. We'll turn it back to Candy.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Stacy Pak.

  • Stacy Pak - Analyst

  • I guess a couple of quick ones. One is do you think that the AUC pressure that the industry faced in 2011 had any negative impact on you and do you expect any positive impact going forward simply from the AUC changes we are seeing in the industry? And then second of all, can you comment on how you view every day low prices in your competitive set versus department store sale price and does that change the way you think about your business at all?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes, Stacy, look, I'm going to come back to who we are and that is the distance between us and everyone else. In terms of cost -- it's the way we buy. We are an off-price Company. We buy very close to need. You could not have a more promotional environment -- I don't think I have ever seen it this promotional -- as in December and not only were we able to keep our margins, but we had a very, very strong comp. So my answer really to both those questions is our model works, if we execute our model every day, whether the prices go up, or whether people go every day, the model works that way.

  • Operator

  • Rick Patel.

  • Rick Patel - Analyst

  • Can you just talk a little bit about segment profitability for TJX Europe? It seems like it improved pretty nicely in the fourth quarter but you still seem to be below peak levels. Are there any structural reasons why margins can't get back up to the peak levels that you were at a couple years ago? And what should we expect for the next year?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Okay, I'll have Jeff go through the year model. But we feel in Europe, we're certainly going to increase I think we're planning like 280 basis points for the year or something. A pretty strong increase, Jeff will go through the exact numbers but we feel that we are in a very good place going forward. We are being cautious. We feel that it is a pretty big jump from this year. We certainly have good infrastructure built in. We are planning on only adding 10 more stores next year. So, we think this is a really good sensible, viable plan. Going forward, we still see it as an 8% model. I think this year will be a very good year for us to really see how strong we can be.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Yes, I think if you look at the -- I'll talk to the fourth quarter and then fiscal 2013. So in the fourth quarter, we saw the margins at Europe go from 3.4% to 5.6%, so that is a 220 basis point increase. That was suppressed a bit by FX, so if you adjust for FX, that 5.6% would have been 6.2%. We actually had a 280 basis point increase. The other factor there is that 280 basis point increase the fourth quarter was also negatively impacted by the fourth quarter items. There was about a 200 basis point hit to Europe in the fourth quarter from those fourth quarter items. So we would've had explosive margin growth in Europe in the fourth quarter if it weren't for the fourth quarter items having a 200 basis point impact and currency having a 60 basis point impact. So we feel great about the track that we are on.

  • Now as we look forward, we planned the European business on a 4% to a 5% comp next year. And last year, we had a 2.4% segment profit margin, this year we are planning at 4.9% to 5.4% and that is with 20 basis points of benefit from the 53rd week. So if you adjust out the 53rd week it would be 4.7% to 5.2%. The 53rd week in general will benefit our pretax -- our margins in total TJX and our business by 20 basis points next year. So, Europe goes from 2.4% to 4.9% to 5.4% with 20 basis points of benefit the 53rd benefit week included in that number. So we feel good. That will be strong, steady growth obviously a higher level of comp would get us a higher level of bottom line margin improvement. As Carol mentioned, there really are no structural regions that we can't get back to 8% and above on the segment profit margin for Europe.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Stein.

  • Jeff Stein - Analyst

  • Okay. Carol, you teased us a little bit with your comments on e-commerce and I'm wondering is e-commerce part of the discussion for 2012? In other words can you launch this year and if not, what's preventing you from getting there? It seems like the team has been together now for quite some time.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes, again we'll give you a little more color as we get through the year. We learned a lot in the past. We learned a lot from Europe, even when you look at Marshalls in Canada we're going slow and it's tremendously strong and we want to make sure that we do e-commerce right. So, we are -- in our 3-year model, it's a tremendous opportunity and we, again, I'm going to just keep coming back to, we want to do it right and then we can accelerate it. So, when we get all our ducks in a row we will be very happy to tell everyone what is going on and report to you.

  • Operator

  • Adrianne Shapira.

  • Adrianne Shapira - Analyst

  • Carol, I just want to use the word outrageous value several times. And it's interesting is we get that obviously it is an evolving competitive landscape, but I'm just wondering how do you reconcile what outrageous value means and how that is different from the type of value we have seen in the past with the fact that merchandise margins are planned up 10 basis points in 2013?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Adrianne, it has to do with raising the bar every year and the messaging with the team. Ernie has spent a lot of time strategizing with all of our divisions to absolutely leverage, to really maximize our off-price model, to keep our inventories even leaner next year and to increase our brand relationships and make them even stronger. So, we're pretty excited about it. Ernie?

  • Ernie Herrman - President

  • Adrianne, I would say it also winds up with the liquidity and inventory turns that we have been maintaining. We are making sure that we are really buying hand to mouth and the environment seems, to across all the markets whether the better markets or the moderate markets and in all categories within the store seems to have a fair amount of goods. So, again, that kind of fits the model and allows us to, I think ramp up the exciting values that we have and get them to that outrageous level.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • And, Adrienne, as always, we have a few new interesting initiatives up our sleeves and we are always testing things. Jeff wanted to make a comment on the margin, also.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • I guess just to set the record straight, the margin is up more -- the margin was up 10 basis points in the fourth quarter as we look at fiscal 2013 for the full-year our gross profit is planned up 20 to 50 BIPS, basis points. 10 of that is from the 53rd week. The balance is all coming from merchandise margins. So the implied merchandise margin increases in fiscal 2013 are in that 10 to 40 basis point range. The third component of the gross profit margin buying and occupancy we've got planned flat but you'd expect that on a 1% to 2% comp. Obviously we would expect to get some leverage if in fact the comp were to exceed the level that we have in our plans. So, but I think the point of the call here is merchandise margins are being planned up 10 to 40 basis points next year, so we have put some improvement baked into our full-year model.

  • Adrianne Shapira - Analyst

  • Yes, so that is my point, Jeff, I'm just wondering in terms of the merchandise margins, 10 to 40 basis points, maybe help us think about is that more of a liquidity issues, what sort of turn expectations we could expect because again it sounds like --

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • That is a big piece of it and as I said before, as we get better, we talked about systems and we talked about a lot we do manually. If we are, again, very focused on the right goods at the right store at the right time and I've said it a few times, that we have still lots of opportunity there. A big chunk of our investments for 2012 are in systems to improve for the future. We are going to have another DC on the West Coast in the future so we're putting investment in but we see certainly opportunity for this year and hopefully even going forward a greater opportunity as we get some of these things really up and running. But we're far from at the end of our game.

  • Operator

  • Kimberly Greenberger.

  • Kimberly Greenberger - Analyst

  • Carol, I'm wondering if you can talk to us a little bit about your business in Canada. The sales numbers really turned around in the fourth quarter relative to the comps they had been producing in Q1, 2 and 3, but the operating margin fell in Q4 and it had been relatively stable in the second and the third quarter, are there some anomalies in there that you could address and what would your expectation be for Canada here in 2012?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes, well first of all, Canada, we closed STYLESENSE which is a piece of the fourth quarter and a little bit of merchandise margin due to cold weather merchandise that we wanted to clean out and we had an increase in advertising. So really those three factors are what hit us in the fourth quarter. But I think Ernie should give you some color because I think he is feeling and we're feeling pretty good about Canada.

  • Ernie Herrman - President

  • Yes, Kimberly, I think a couple things we focused on up there is at one point in the first half into the third quarter, we were a little concerned with the values and how we were stacking up against the competition up there. So going into the fourth quarter we felt much better about what type of values we are delivering across the store there. Secondly and we've talked about this before, our ladies business which is obviously a core component of our winters business was something where we thought we had execution issues early on, and we feel we made a lot of inroads there and if you look in the fourth quarter, we don't get specific, but we did have an improvement in our trends in the ladies business and even more recently into January. So, that's always good bell weather for us going forward as we enter 2012. Also a great job on inventory control and liquidity and with the momentum going to the new year, all those components are making us feel pretty good. I think Jeff wanted to talk to the guidance a little bit, here?

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Yes, as we look forward, so we would right now embedded in our full-year guidance Canada's in the 2% to 3% comp on top of the minus 1% from last year. In terms of bottom line, we have them planned right now 13.6% to 13.9% on top of the 13 -- I'm sorry, I'm reading the wrong number there -- we have them planned at 12.9% to 13.1% on top of the 13% last year. Canada benefits 10 basis points from the 53rd week, but they are getting hit by 20 basis points in terms of foreign currency at current rates. So, if you take all that out, Canada we would have planned up 10 on a 52 basis flat to up 20 basis points on a 2% to 3% comp. That is about what you would expect; right? A flat to 20 basis point improvement in your bottom line margin on a 2% to 3% comp. I think which really underscores our believe that the business is back on solid footing and we are confident in the profit and the profit flow-through.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • I think the other point, Kimberly, is again learning from the past, Ernie has put a pretty strong team together for Marshalls. So, we have invested in some bench strength so that we get ahead of Marshalls as we go forward. We're only planning on six additional stores next year, but excuse me nine additional stores, but that's really going to set us up for the future so that when we start to really accelerate were going to be in great shape and we won't skip a beat.

  • Operator

  • Paul Lejuez.

  • Paul Lejuez - Analyst

  • Jeff, can you talk a little bit about new store productivity at Marmaxx now that you're opening more stores in some densely populated areas. I would have expected productivity to move higher. My numbers don't show that but it is always hard for us to get at it exactly, so I'm just wondering what your numbers show and then also can you maybe just share with a share assumptions for HomeGoods comps and profit margin assumptions for 2012? Thanks.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Okay, so in terms of the productivity, while we are opening in densely populated urban areas with Marmaxx we are also opening a lot of stores in more rural markets. Where the store we'll open in maybe in a $4 million to $4.5 million sales range which is well below the average. That said, we place significantly less in rent and can deliver four-wall contribution that is in dollar base is just slightly below the average but on a percentage basis actually is as strong or stronger than the average. So we've got a really great opening program going in smaller markets and the productivity in those stores will have strong contribution margins, strong ROIs, the sales tend to be less than the average and that is really counteracting or balancing out the benefit in terms on a terms of sales per store that we're getting from those bigger stores.

  • In terms of the guidance, since I have given Canada and Europe, why don't I just give Marmaxx and HomeGoods. You asked for HomeGoods, so I'll start with that. The HomeGoods we have planned the comp up 1% to 2%, the four-wall profitability we have planned 10.7% -- I'm sorry four-wall profitability -- the segment profit margin we have planned at 10.7% to 10.9% and that is again with a 20 basis point benefit from the 53rd week. Marmaxx we have planned the comp up 1% to 2% and we have the profit margin planned at 13.6% to 13.9% and again that is with, in the case of Marmaxx that is 10 to 20 basis point of improvement due to the 53rd week. So you can see in the case of Marmaxx we are planning the pretax margins down slightly to up slightly on a 1% to 2% comp, again what you would expect and in the case of HomeGoods same thing on a 52-week basis, down slightly, to up slightly on a 1% to 2% comp.

  • Operator

  • Evren Kopelman.

  • Marianne Casper - Analyst

  • It's [Marianne Casper] in for Evren. Just quickly, it's clear that your businesses does very well in both healthy and challenging macro environments. So we're wondering, in your opinion what do you view as the biggest risks to your business?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • The business risk is always us not executing. That is always the biggest risk. If we do what we do best then we will end up beating and if we don't, it's all on us.

  • Operator

  • Jennifer Davis.

  • Jennifer Davis - Analyst

  • Congratulations on a very good end to the year. Can you talk a little bit about -- what your research shows in terms of traffic? Are you getting new customers or is your customer coming back more often or is it a combination of both? And then what are your expectations for traffic and ticket for 2012? Thanks.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Okay, well, for the year we're up slightly in traffic and in basket. We ended the fourth quarter very strong. We had tremendous momentum from our tri-branding which is pretty exciting because we ended the year going in with a lot of new customers for the new year. Our marketing plans for next year are, we have an increased dollar versus last year. We will increase our impressions and more than likely we will be on network TV a couple of more weeks this year than we were last year. We keep learning more and more about our marketing and it is pretty exciting. So, we're just going to keep bringing in new customers and that's a big part of our growth vehicle. As I said before, our penetration is a lot less than typical of department stores so we have a long way to go.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • It's hard to determine exactly the extent to which the increase in transactions is being driven by new customers versus existing customers. All we can really do is look at that penetration stat from the percentage of new customers that shop our chains this year versus last year and what we've seen over time is that's been inking up as we've moved over the last several years and we think that will continue to do that going forward given the importance of value to customers.

  • Marianne Casper - Analyst

  • All right, great. Thanks. Can I throw in one more? You don't have to answer if you don't want. Merchandise margins --

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Or we're not allowed to -- (laughter)

  • Marianne Casper - Analyst

  • Can you talk a little bit about your merchandise margin expectations by division for 2012?

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • No, we don't provide that.

  • Marianne Casper - Analyst

  • All right, worth a shot.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • It was a good try, Jennifer.

  • Operator

  • Daniel Hofkin.

  • Daniel Hofkin - Analyst

  • Very nice end of the year as well. I just wanted to come back to the earlier question for a second about Europe and just understand the progression going forward that you would tend to expect. I know in the past it was highly seasonal in terms of profitability to the fourth quarter, do you expect it to be smoother going forward than let's say it was in 2009, a relatively normal year, that would be the first question?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes, well we are giving full-year guidance, but what I will say to you is that I think it just reads of opportunity. We did -- we have a lot of the percent of profit in the back half is almost 85%. So both Ernie and I just look at that and say this is an opportunity and that is the way we approach it. So, our goal is to get it back. We wanted to be an 8% model, we're working towards that. We like the chain very much and we are really heading in the right direction.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • I don't have this here in front of me, Dan, but I suspect that the pattern is probably not that much different than what we would have seen in 2009, maybe a little bit less weighted towards the back half but still more weighted towards the back half than our North American business.

  • Daniel Hofkin - Analyst

  • Okay, I guess just related to that, what you give us the fourth quarter adjusted margin for Europe, from the table it shows 5.7% was there an additional adjustment that brought it to the 6 -- I think you said 6.2% or 6.5%?

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Yes, the currency had an impact in the fourth quarter of -- hang on one second, let me just get it in front of me. Currency had an impact in the fourth quarter in Europe of about 50 basis points.

  • Daniel Hofkin - Analyst

  • Okay, I'd guess, I thought that was already captured.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • (multiple speakers) If you look at the -- we have tables that are on -- we put the tables on the Web that give you the sales and marketing comparability with and without currency. So, the reported numbers we went from 3.4% to 5.6% in the quarter, Dan, so that's up 220 bips, if you adjust for currency, it would be going from 2.9% up to 5.7% or a 280 basis point increase. So that was the difference. And then on top of that there is the 200 basis point hit we are getting for the fourth quarter items which would have taken you even higher had we not incurred those items in the quarter.

  • Daniel Hofkin - Analyst

  • Got it. Just quickly the other question was regarding the opportunistic buys that you did last year. Obviously the year-to-year inventory change came down significantly by year-end. How would you assess overall the sell through in terms of traffic and margins on that opportunistic buys relative to the original thought?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes, I know I think you're trying to get at pack-aways, I assume?

  • Daniel Hofkin - Analyst

  • Yes.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • We are in very good shape. We are always within our number. We have more pack-aways than last year because there was just an abundance of fabulous cold weather in brands. So, again we have more pack-aways than last year, still within the range that we always are but our inventories are pretty lean and were nice and liquid. We're really in great shape.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • And we don't comment on the margin on pack-away product versus the margin on other product. Again, while we've been increasing the mix towards closeout over time, we've never in our MDNA called out that mix as a factor in merchandise margin increases year-over-year. We get very, very good merchandise margins out of our incentive buys as well. But again it is not -- we really don't comment on pack-away versus other forms of purchased goods.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • The key is our inventory in stores is way down. We are very, very liquid and there is a very plentiful market out there.

  • Operator

  • Richard Jaffe.

  • Richard Jaffe - Analyst

  • Just a couple of follow-on points. The first on e-commerce and the opportunity to move more quickly on that, that is, say in the calendar 2012 and to use that more aggressively as a marketing vehicle as well as a sales tool and just your further thoughts on e-commerce if you would? And then if you could provide specifics regarding the European growth to 875 stores, wondering how that breaks out by country or by region?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Okay, you guys keep asking me about e-commerce (laughter) and I'm going to say it 9 million times, we know all the opportunities and we know how many people come to our website and I guarantee we will do it right, but as always, we want to do things planning in a conservative way, putting in most of our cost factors, certainly from what we can see and doing it right. The reason we look long-term and see it as just a tremendous vehicle is just that leveraging of the platform and the opportunity to even sell product that we don't have in our stores today to sell product that we have in our stores today. So, we will get there and we will do it in the right way. In terms of the European growth --

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • The stores, the 750 to 875 breaks down as follows Richard. We have about 300 to 325 stores potential in the UK, 250 to 300 in Germany, 100 to 150 HomeSense stores and 100 stores in Poland. So it just reflects the markets that we are in currently and the concepts that we have currently. So we obviously believe that there is potential beyond those numbers, but our mantra right now is go slow, build the infrastructure, and then once we've got good solid -- once we've reestablished very strong performance in the division which we believe we are on the way to do, to accelerate at that point in time.

  • Operator

  • Roxanne Meyer.

  • Roxanne Meyer - Analyst

  • Congratulations on the continued momentum in your business. Can you talk about how the converted AJ Wright stores are performing and your learnings there? Then as it relates to the supply chain initiatives, what inning are you in, in making those investments and when do you think you could begin to benefit? Thank you.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • I'm sorry, the second question the inning on what?

  • Roxanne Meyer - Analyst

  • On the supply chain investments that you're making? And when do you see the benefits?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Oh, the supply chain. Okay, in terms of the supply chain, we are kind of in the first inning.

  • Roxanne Meyer - Analyst

  • Okay.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • We are really looking at this as probably a two to a three year project with more investment in 2012. Then it starts to flatten out. In terms of AJs, we really have the benefits that we talked about from a year ago but more importantly it is really what just allows us to grow the Marmaxx chain and the HomeGoods chain. We see the increase in number of stores and obviously both those businesses have much stronger margins than our AJ Wright chain did. So there is the opportunity. That's why we keep increasing the number of stores because we've really learned how to exist in lower demographics, in high density, lower income, variety, we've learned a little bit more about the diversity piece of it. So, this is what is just allowing us to really grow those chains. That was the idea initially, is to leverage for big businesses and not be as spread out. So, we feel very good about going forward.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Weiner.

  • David Weiner - Analyst

  • Hopefully it's Dave Weiner. So I want to ask my five Internet questions. (laughter)

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Come on. Give me a break.

  • David Weiner - Analyst

  • Just, Jeff, really I guess a lot of questions have been asked but just a question on the buying and occupancy. What is the sensitivity for every comp point you comp instead of total Company for every comp point you come in above your plan. How much will that leverage the B&O?

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Every comp point above plan will leverage expenses by 20 basis points.

  • David Weiner - Analyst

  • 20 bips, and that's consistent --

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • It will leverage the bottom line by 20 bips and we really don't break that out between B&O and SG&A.

  • David Weiner - Analyst

  • Okay, that's fine. That's consistent with, I've asked this question before, I just want to make sure, is this consistent with what -- has that changed over the last --

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Well, that assumes no merchandise margin expansion.

  • David Weiner - Analyst

  • Yes, that's right.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • That is just the expense leverage that we would expect. So, if you've got merchandise margin expansion on top of that, we've obviously gotten a lot of that over the last three years, you'd expect it to be more. So you really can't say, a point of comp equates to 20 basis points on the bottom line because it really depends how we manage our inventories and the quality of the goods that we are buying, the turns, et cetera and how those impact merchandise margin. But what you can say is a point of comp is worth 20 basis points on the bottom line and that is mix between G&A and buying and occupancy. So there's a spread between the two but we get that you'd expect bottom line to see 20 bips.

  • Operator

  • Mark Montagna.

  • Mark Montagna - Analyst

  • Two questions, first on Canada and then general corporate expenses. With Canada this past fiscal year, you had a segment margin of 13% and despite some poor execution I'm just wondering why you're not raising the ceiling on that potential to closer to 14% because once you really start executing this year, it seems like there's a lot of upward opportunity? And then just general corporate expense, what is driving the increase and should we expect it to be similar in the new fiscal year as it was last year?

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Okay, I'm going to turn it over to Jeff in a moment but I just want to make a comment on Europe --on Canada, rather. I think we have a very prudent plan in there and we are also investing in our business going forward so that is a piece of it, but I think both Ernie and I are very, very comfortable with our plans and I think it makes a lot of sense on a 2% to 3% comp. So Jeff, do you want to through --

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Yes, on Canada on a 2% to 3% comp you wouldn't expect a lot of expense leverage. We are making investments and we clearly have had some hits this year that have been related to getting the margins, improving our margin and getting it more aligned with the market. So, they -- we feel comfortable with the way we set the plan for next year. In terms of corporate expenses, we would expect a lower increase this year than last. So if you look at this year we had a 100 -- the corporate expenses were $228 million against $169 million last year. About a 0.25 that are the fourth quarter items and a write-off we took earlier this year associated with moving one of our buying offices. A little more than 0.5 of this is investments in talent, bench, including TJX University, investments in new systems and e-commerce. The balance reflects normal growth.

  • For fiscal 2013, we're expecting the corporate expenses to be on a 53-week basis, $270 million to $277 million and on a 52-week basis that is $268 million to $276 million. So that is up about $40 million to $45 million, almost all of that is the investment in our data center, e-commerce business, and other investment that Carol mentioned partially offset by the fourth quarter items that go away. We had a voluntary retirement program, a separation agreement and that flowed through the corporate items, so the net of all of those really explains the lion's share of that growth next year. We would expect that growth really to level out once we get to fiscal 2014.

  • Operator

  • Dana Telsey.

  • Dana Telsey - Analyst

  • Congratulations on a very solid year. As you think about inventory turns in the efficient supply chain, you've always talked about store level inventory turns around 10 to 11 times. How do you see that developing or changing given the inventory plans and then just two other quick things, number one marketing spend, how you're thinking about it for 2012 versus 2011? And lastly, on remodel stores, how's the performance and how is the occupancy cost? Thank you, bye.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Dana, that is three questions. I don't give you specifics on inventory turns, I can tell you as I said before it is one of our biggest investment going forward. We are sort of at the beginning of the game. This year we still will decrease our inventories in stores and we will turn faster, but we don't know the endgame of the opportunity because we are going to see how it yields, but we just see a lot of things that we think we can do better for the future. So we are pretty excited about that. The marketing spend, what I said to you is we are up in dollars versus last year, we will be up in dollars this coming year. We will be on network TV at couple of more weeks and we more than we were a year ago so the impressions will be up but more importantly, we are leveraging all of our businesses together and we think we have some very, very strong campaigns going forward and I think each year we get better and better at this. In terms of the remodels, we really don't discuss the specific numbers. We like it, were happy with it. And next year, we are planning to do over 300 along with that we are always looking at the next generation and other in-store initiatives that can -- to drive sales for us in the future.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • A couple of financial factoids here, on the remodels, the recent performance, the lists we are seeing are very comparable to the lists that we were seeing in earlier classes of remodels. And on the marketing, the dollars will be -- spend will be up in line with sales and our ad to sales ratio, right now we are planning basically flat although we reserve the right to change that as we can move through the year.

  • Operator

  • Jeff Black.

  • Jeff Black - Analyst

  • Congrats to Scott and congrats on a good quarter. (laughter0

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • Yes.

  • Jeff Black - Analyst

  • Jeff, maybe you could help us. We've had a lot of talk about it, but what is the magnitude of the inventory improvement you're talking about? Can you framework it in reference to turns? Are we looking as another turn is possible or in the amount of inventory that you think you can take out of stores and maybe tack on how the DC in California helps with these efforts? Thanks.

  • Jeff Naylor - Senior EVP, CAO

  • Yes, yes, I think as we look at turns, we're reluctant to quantify what it is going to be going forward. When we look at store turns in the past three years, we've gone from turning three years ago, we used to say we turn eight to nine times a year, now we're saying we turn 10 to 11. We have some divisions that are turning faster than others. We have disclosed that HomeGoods is in that 14 to 15 range. So we think there are opportunities across a couple of our divisions and systems are only going to help us do that. The other thing that helps us is our DC productivity. We've invested in engineering standard. So when Carol says we're at the first inning, we are in the first inning of our systems investments, but in terms of some of the investments we've made in Engineered Standards and our distribution center, those -- we're pretty far along we're more like in the sixth, seventh inning.

  • Those have yielded huge results. It's not insignificant that we have had 10 years of growth in Marmaxx in terms of comp and new stores without having had to add a DC and a lot of that is coming from the productivity that we are seeing and a lot of that is coming from Engineered Standards. So we think there's opportunity going forward, we don't want to cap our thinking on this but I would tell you we are very proud of the increases we have been able to generate at store level. We think the investments that we have made have yielded very strong results and we are excited about the future (inaudible) that we are making that should yield additional benefits. I just don't want to put a number on it, Jeff, this point. Clearly we have some of this baked into our plan with a 10 to 40 basis point improvement in merchandise margin next year. We will see where we are as we go.

  • Carol Meyrowitz - CEO, Director

  • I want to thank everyone and we are looking forward to reporting to you on the first quarter.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen that concludes your conference call for today. You may disconnect. Thank you for participating in today's call. Thank you for participating in today's call.