Titan Machinery Inc (TITN) 2026 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to the Titan Machinery third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Jeff Sonnek with ICR.

Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you. Welcome to the Titan Machinery third quarter fiscal 2026 earnings conference call. On the call today from the company are Bryan Knutson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bo Larsen, Chief Financial Officer.

By now, everyone should have access to the earnings release for the fiscal third quarter ended October 31, 2025, which is also available on Titan's investor relations website at ir.titanmachinery.com.

In addition, we are providing a supplemental presentation to accompany today's prepared remarks, along with the webcast and replay information which can also be found on Titan's investor relations website within the events and presentations section.

We would like to remind everyone that the prepared remarks contain forward-looking statements, and management may make additional forward-looking statements in response to your questions. Statements do not guarantee future performance, and therefore undue reliance should not be placed upon them.

Forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the forward-looking statement section of today's earnings release and the company's filings with the SEC, including the risk factors section of Titan's most recently filed annual report on Form 10-Kand quarterly reports on Form 10-Q.

These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements, except as may be required by applicable law, Titan assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be made in today's release or call.

Please note that during today's call we may discuss non-GAAP financial measures, including results on an adjusted basis. We believe these adjusted financial measures can facilitate a more complete analysis and greater transparency into Titan's ongoing financial performance, particularly comparing underlying results from period to period.

We includedd reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in today's release and supplemental presentation.

At the conclusion of our prepared remarks, we will open the call to take your questions, and with that, I'd now like to introduce the company's President and CEO, Bryan Knutson. Please go ahead. Bryan?

Thank you, Jeff, and good morning to everyone on the call. I'll start by providing an update on our inventory optimization, progress, and operational focus areas, and then discuss the current environment across our segments before turning the call over to Bo for his financial review and comments on our fiscal 2026 modeling assumptions.

Nine months into the fiscal 2026, we're making meaningful progress on our inventory optimization initiatives, which will position us to emerge from this cycle leaner and stronger. Our team did an excellent job executing in what remains a very challenging market environment. As we head into the final quarter of the year, our focus is on finishing strong and continuing to drive inventory optimization while maintaining the customer relationships and service excellence that differentiate us in the market.

We've made substantial progress through the first nine months of the fiscal year, reducing total inventory by $98 million. As I just mentioned, I'm extremely proud of the disciplined work our teams have been doing all year to move equipment in a very difficult demand environment, and we are confident we will significantly exceed our $100 million full year reduction target.

As such, we are raising our inventory reduction target to $150 million. The quality of our inventory also continues to improve. It's fresher and has an increased mix of more high demand categories. But we're not stopping there. We still have excess inventory in certain seasonal new equipment categories, as well as our overall used equipment level.

Our focus remains on finishing this fiscal year in a healthier inventory position so that we can return to the more normalized equipment margins that we've historically achieved. Regarding equipment margins, they beat expectations for the quarter, driven largely by a more favorable sales mix and our improved inventory position. Bo will provide further details, but I do expect equipment margins to moderate somewhat in the 4th quarter, given less favorable sales mix and additional inventory optimization efforts as we finish the year.

The work we're doing now on inventory optimization is about setting ourselves up properly for next year over maximizing near term margins. Our customer care initiative continues to demonstrate its strategic value and remains central to our operating strategy. While equipment demand remains under pressure at this phase of the cycle, our parts and service businesses are generating well over 50% of our gross profit dollars.

The stabilizing force of our parts and service business is essential in times like these, keeping us closely engaged with our customers, allowing us to add value to their operations, and positioning us well for when equipment demand eventually recovers. This relentless focus on our customers dovetails with our recent activity surrounding footprint optimization both domestically and abroad.

As you may recall, we acquired Heartland Egg Systems in 2022, which allowed us to gain access to the full product line of KIH application equipment, including self-propelled sprayers and fertilizer applicators, along with incremental sales opportunities to the commercial application segment of the market.

As a part of the integration process of that business, we have recently divested certain stores outside of our core footprint and sold them to local CNH dealers in their respective areas. This change will allow us to focus our resources on markets where we can best leverage our broader service network to provide best in class service and support to our customers and deliver improved shareholder returns.

In that same vein, we have also taken an objective look at our international operations to ensure we are allocating capital to high performing markets. Our German operations have faced challenges that have historically weighed on returns within our year operating segment. And as such, we are in the process of divesting our dealership operations located in Germany, working in close coordination with CNH and local New Holland dealers in the region.

An additional part of our footprint optimization is continuing to build upon the dual brand strategy that we previously implemented in approximately 1/3 of our US store network over the years. For instance, in Australia, we recently gained access to the New Holland distribution rights in 6 of our 15 rooftops.

Well, we're not adding new rooftops in country, we now have both KI and New Holland brands available in these markets, helping us provide better scale and customer service through improved coverage to drive increased market share while capturing synergies from both brands. We remain focused on organic growth through market share gains and focusing on our customer care strategy to drive higher parts and service revenues.

At the same time, we are well positioned to continue to execute on M&A opportunities that align within our strategy that focuses on leveraging our service network to provide best in class customer service while driving scale and efficiencies to achieve higher levels of profitability.

With that, I'll now turn to our segments. In domestic egg, the quarter performed within our expected range despite an environment that remains challenging for our farmer customers. While the harvest season is now largely complete and yields were generally solid across our footprint, farmers continue to face multiple headwinds.

These include depressed commodity prices, which is the fundamental issue pressuring farm profitability, as well as the government shutdown, which slowed payments to farmers, adding to current cash flow challenges, along with higher interest expense. While we have seen some improvement in commodity prices recently, they generally remain below breakeven levels for our customers. And while it's encouraging to see China committing to resume soybean purchases, it's unlikely that this will result in a sustainable inflection in commodity prices in the near term.

Further, while the reinstatement of 100% bonus depreciation is a positive for those customers who find themselves in a taxable position, many simply don't have the income to take advantage of it this year. The bottom line is that without a significant improvement in commodity prices or substantial additional government support, equipment demand is likely to remain at trough type levels for the near term.

Now turning to our construction segment, which continues to face some softness reflecting the broader economic uncertainty. Equipment margins remain subdued. Press by some of the same variables that are impacting our domestic egg segment. Infrastructure and data center projects are providing a baseline level of activity, while the overall demand environment remains somewhat softer than the highs of recent years, but still at healthy levels.

Europe had a strong third quarter as Romania continued to drive segment performance as customers capitalized on EU subvention funds up to the September deadline. However, absent this temporary stimulus, the underlying demand in the region remains soft and is tied to the broader egg cycle. Australia continues to experience a similar backdrop as their domestic egg business, with industry volumes below prior trough levels. However, the third quarter also reflected some difficult comparables relative to the prior year. The market remains challenging, but the fourth quarter revenues should be closer to what we saw in the prior year.

In closing, we've accomplished a great deal over the past year, reducing total inventory by over $500 million from peak levels in Q2 of prior year. This has been a full team effort, and I want to express my appreciation for how our people have maintained exceptional customer service while executing these initiatives by outperforming the market.

The agricultural equipment market remains challenging, and the industry is not expecting a near term recovery. However, we are staying disciplined in our execution, managing what we can control and positioning the business to perform well when market conditions eventually improve.

With that, I'll turn the call over to Bo for his financial review.

Thanks, Brian, and good morning everyone. Starting with our consolidated results for the fiscal 2026 third quarter. Total revenue was $644.5 million compared to $679.8 million in the prior year period. Reflecting a 4.8% decrease in same store sales driven by weaker demand in our domestic ag, construction, and Australia segments, largely offset by stimulus-dn strength in our European segment as Brian discussed earlier.

Despite the sales headwind in the third quarter, gross profit was essentially flat at $111 million compared to $110.5 million in the prior year period. While gross profit margin expanded to 17.2% as compared to 16.3% in the prior year. This was largely driven by a 70 basis point improvement in our equipment margins for the 3rd quarter versus the prior year comparative period.

Notably, equipment margins for our domestic ag segment were 7% in this year's third quarter. Which is a significant improvement from the 3.1% that was achieved in the first half of this fiscal year. This improvement is largely driven by our improved inventory position and a favorable sales mix. But also benefited from a $3.7 million accrual for the manufacturer incentive plans for which nothing was accrued in the first half of the year.

Operating expenses were $100.5 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2026. Compared to $98.8 million in the prior year period. Our headcount in discretionary spending is down year-over-year as a result of disciplined expense management. However, the small increase in total operating expense was led by higher variable compensation and some transaction-related expenses.

Floor plan and other interest expense was $10.9 million as compared to $14.3 million in the prior year period, reflecting our continued efforts to reduce interest-bearing inventory over the past year. In the third quarter of fiscal 2026, net income was $1.2 million with earnings per diluted share of $0.05. Compared to net income of $1.7 million. Or earnings per diluted share of $0.07 for the same period last year.

Now turning to a brief overview of our segment results for the third quarter. Our domestic ag segment realized a same store sales decrease of 12.3%. Which took segment revenue to $420.9 million. Segment pre-tax income was $6.1 million compared to pre-tax income of $1.8 million in the third quarter of the prior year. Reflecting the positive equipment margin dynamics that I discussed earlier. As well as lower operating expenses and lower floor plan interest expense as compared to the prior year.

In our construction segment, same store sales decreased 10.1% to $76.7 million. Which was driven by lower equipment sales. Pre-tax loss was $1.7 million compared to a pre-tax loss of $0.9 million in the third quarter of the prior year. In our Europe segment, Same store sales increased 88% to $117 million which includes a $6.1 million positive foreign currency impact. Net of the effect of these foreign currency fluctuations, revenue increased 78%, which was primarily driven by Romania as customers capitalized on EU subvention funds ahead of the September deadline.

Pre-tax income for the segment increased to $3.5 million. Compared to a pre-tax loss of $1.2 million in the third quarter of last year. In our Australia segment, same store sales decreased 40% to $29.9 million. Which included a 1.3% negative foreign currency impact. Net of the effect of these foreign currency fluctuations, revenue decreased 39%. This decrease reflects the continued normalization of sprayer deliveries in fiscal 2026 after having caught up on a multi-year backlog of deliveries during fiscal 2025. Pre-tax loss was $3.8 million compared to a pre-tax loss of $0.3 million in the third quarter of last year.

Now on to our balance sheet and inventory position. We had cash of $49 million and adjusted debt to tangible net worth ratio of 1.7 times as of October 30, 2025. Which is well below our bank covenant of 3.5 times. Regarding inventory, as Brian mentioned, we reduced our total inventory by $98 million through the first nine months of the year to $1 billion. Of that $98 million reduction, approximately $15 million came from equipment sold through three domestic divestitures we completed.

The vast majority of the reduction reflects the disciplined work our team has been doing to move equipment in a challenging demand environment. Our cumulative total inventory reduction from peak levels in Q2 of the prior year now stands at $517 million. Beyond the headline inventory reduction number, we're also seeing a meaningful improvement in the quality of our inventory. We continue to focus on reducing aged inventory. Which we define as equipment that has been on our lots for more than 12 months.

Age equipment inventory peaked in May of this fiscal year. And we have been able to reduce this by a total of $94 million over the last five months. This aged inventory reduction is critical to returning to more normalized equipment margin levels. Given the progress we have made and the programs we have in place to continue to drive sales in the fourth quarter, We have confidence in making further progress on aged inventory and inventory levels overall.

As such, as Bryan mentioned previously, we are increasing our inventory reduction target to $150 million for the full fiscal year. Turning to our fiscal 2026 modeling assumptions. We are refining our revenue expectations for both the construction and Europe segments based on our year-to-date performance. While keeping our assumptions for domestic ag and Australia intact.

We are now expecting construction to be down 5% to 10% compared to our prior expectation of down 3% to 8%. And Europe is expected to be up 35% to 40%. An improvement from a prior range of about 30% to 40%. Reflecting the strong performance in Romania during the third quarter. From an equipment margin perspective, I want to provide some additional context for the fourth quarter.

As Brian mentioned, our third quarter consolidated equipment margins of 8.1%. Benefited from our improved inventory position and favorable sales mix. Given a less favorable sales mix and additional inventory optimization efforts in the fourth quarter. We anticipate consolidated equipment margins to moderate back to approximately 7% for the fourth quarter.

This reflects 3 primary factors. First, the fourth quarter is traditionally a big quarter of delivery of multi-unit deals for larger ticket cash crop equipment, and generally speaking, those tend to have moderately lower margins than other transactions.

Second, we continue to work through aged inventory as part of our optimization efforts, and third, We anticipate some moderation in Europe following the September expiration of subvention fund availability in Romania. Consistent with our prior expectations, operating expenses are expected to decrease year over year on an absolute basis.

And I continue to expect them to be approximately 16% of sales for the full fiscal year. Low plan and other interest expense is expected to continue to decline as we make additional progress on inventory reduction and mix optimization. And we should see some of those benefits in the fourth quarter given the reduction in aged inventory we have seen in recent months.

As a preface to our earnings per share expectations, I want to call out the anticipated recognition of a non-cash valuation allowance that is expected to be recognized in the fourth quarter and result in an increase in our reported tax expense by approximately $0.35 to $0.45 per share, reflecting a variable that was not considered in our previous assumptions.

This is dictated by accounting guidance and is influenced by the degree to which our profitability is being impacted by the broader cycle. It's something that we had to recognize in the prior downturn as well, and then subsequently reversed as the industry recovered from the prior trough. I expect a subsequent reversal at some point in the future this time as well.

However, this will result in an increase to tax expense for the time being. Based on guidance from regulators, we do not plan to adjust this incremental tax expense out of our presentation of full year adjusted earnings per share. So I mention it here so you can better appreciate the magnitude that the underlying equipment margin improvement is having on our results in the second half of the fiscal year. To be clear, our margin improvement is being negated by this valuation allowance, and as a result, we are reaffirming our adjusted diluted loss per share guidance in a range of a loss of $1 to $2.

In summary, we are pleased with the progress we have made in a challenging demand environment with industry volumes below prior trough levels. And we are poised to make further progress in the fourth quarter. Our team's hard work advancing our inventory reduction and footprint optimization initiatives are positioning the business for improved financial performance as we move into fiscal 2027.

This concludes our prepared comments, operator. We are now ready for the question-and-answer session of our call.

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Liam Burke with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning, Brian. Good morning, Bob.

Morning. Morning.

We saw very nice results on parts and service up on parts, excuse me, Service was down 4%. Is that just normal quarter to quarter seasonality, or is there something within that number on that down year over year number, that, that's influenced it?

Yeah, so there's some noise there from a quarter to quarter perspective. The way service is reflected does get impacted by how much, new equipment we're delivering and how much of their labor is going towards PDI, which ultimately shows up as whole good versus service revenue.

Overall, and big picture, service generally speaking, flattish this year in a world where a large egg, new equipment is down about 30%. Pretty happy with that certainly driving initiatives and expecting over the long-term and as we've talked about for a while now to. To be able to drive sustainable growth, but again, stability in this environment, we'll take for now as we work on some underlying things such as driving higher take rates on extended warranties, preventative maintenance agreements, and the like to really help us accomplish what we want, and that is to see something more like mid single-digit growth on average over a longer period of time.

Still feeling good about all that.

Great. And then, on the construction, same store still just don't seem to be recovering, more in line with ag.

We would think that, there'd be less decline, but it seems to be either the same or no getting worse when most of the larger infrastructure players and larger construction players are doing okay.

Yeah, the first thing I would say, and I'm sure Brian will add to it as well, underneath that for us I'd say that there's some specific factors that aren't necessarily reflective of the market. Specifically last year was a big year for us recovering. And catching up on the delivery of wheel loaders that extends back to the production or COVID production supply chain constraints.

So last year we received a lot in, we delivered a lot of them. Q3 was a big quarter for that specifically. So that was less about the market conditions and more about catching up on that backlog, underneath that we do see more stability ourselves and kind of reflective of of what the overall market environment is like. I don't know if you wanted to add anything.

Yeah, just as it relates maybe to the overall infrastructure impact, we certainly, don't play as much in that market as, say, a Caterpillar would, but, a good, a better portion of our business is tied to egg in general, with, as Bo mentioned, wheel loaders and a lot of material handling equipment, as well as res which, with the interest rates where they are, has still been lagging.

But we are certainly seeing some good stability and, data center projects up here in the Midwest, and, again it, it's basically hanging in there mainly what you're seeing in the comparables is what Bo mentioned with just the year over year comparison to the change in the wheel loader backlog shipment that we had, but, we're expecting.

Potentially here rate cut in December which could be positive news and a lot of our contractors are, I'll say, cautiously optimistic here as they start to look to, at their 2026, schedules and so, we're looking at, potential uplift for next year in that market.

Great. Thank you, Brian. Thank you both.

Thank you. Our next question comes from line of Mick Dolbrich with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, and congratulations on really good progress, your team seems to be making here. So, I guess my first question, I'd like to talk a little bit about Europe and appreciate the guidance raised here, but if I heard you correctly, the tailwind in Romania from those subsidies that is going to dissipate, went away in September. What are you seeing, in that region more broadly?

Is, and I guess really the answers to my question is, at this point, all of us really kind of focus on fiscal '27, the current fiscal year is pretty much done. What's the right way to think about this portion of the business for fiscal '27 recognizing that the comparisons here are really difficult.

Yeah, no, I appreciate the question and for sure, Romania, this year, essentially doubled up year over year and kudos to the team for executing on that and capitalizing on all the opportunity that was there.

First of all, just in terms of what we're seeing in the region, both for Romania and Bulgaria, I would say they haven't had the best weather conditions in both calendar 2024 and 2025, so whereas more broadly in Europe some of the yields were better, they weren't as well off there, so that's a bit of a headwind. Obviously the funds kind of helped us, mask some of that and overperform there from a next year backdrop perspective, I would say, and again this is directionally speaking because we'll provide guidance when we get on our March call, but.

For Romania to pull back, 30% to 40%, we'll sharpen our pencil on that, but that's not out of the range of reasonable given the backdrop that they have and the significant growth they had this year. For Bulgaria and Ukraine, I would say more stable and opportunity for growth. So ex Germany, of course, which we're talking about divesting of. Mix all that in, you're talking about something, again, directionally speaking, we'll sharpen the pencil, but some high 10s, maybe 20% down year over year for Europe or for Europe ex Germany.

That's really helpful, and you know you guys are not hearing of any other. Stimulus packages or anything of the sort that might be going on in that region outside of Romania, Ukraine as well, obviously those guys have been through a lot.

So it does actually continue a bit and again we'll continue to sharpen our pencil, but there are still funds in play, even in Romania through 2027 for certain categories of equipment. They're pretty prescriptive. We feel like we're in a decent position to continue to take, to execute on those opportunities, so we'll continue to sharpen our pencil and provide more clarity, but again, I would say, an amazing job by the team to double up the business year over year.

Some pullback expected. We'll continue to sharpen. Funds are there, maybe not as significant as we saw this year.

Sure, reverting back to the US business, it sounds like you guys are doing some work on the footprint, which you, you've done in prior downturns as well. I guess the commentary as I heard it from BJ in the prepared remarks was pretty subdued as we think about. Fiscal '27 and again directionally I'm sort of wondering a couple of things here.

Should we plan for another year of decline in fiscal '27 based on what you know today about your North American business? And if that's the case, what's the right way to think about margins, as you've reduced the inventory, are we to the point where we can see on the equipment side more normalized margins. Even if we have to deal with another year of top-line or volume compression, and then I'll have one final follow follow-up.

Yeah, from a margin perspective, and then I'll turn it over to Brian to talk more about just about footprint in general there. So yeah, back half of the year, obviously you saw pretty significant inflection. So I'm talking domestic ag here, setting aside the other segments which haven't had as much volatility.

First half of the year, equipment margins were about 3.1%. Back half of the year, equipment margins about 6.5%. If you set aside manufacturer incentives, which we're generally accruing and recognizing in the back half of the year as we gain certainty, but the back half of the year margins would be more like 5.25%. So if we go into next year and there's an assumption that, industry volume is down again and kind of setting a new historical low, at least for the past couple of decades, that 5.25% is maybe be a decent proxy to start with for the first half of next year. And then continue to see us driving improvement from there. I don't know if you wanted to add any on the industry in general.

Yeah. Maybe I'll maybe just add a little bit on footprint and then secondly on the industry next year. So with footprint, we work very hand in hand with CNH. They don't get surprised by any acquisition we do, nor do they with any divestiture that we do. And so we've done a lot of work in recent years here on our strategic plan and we're just really continuing to work that plan. So if you look at some of the larger acquisitions that we've done and as we refine those now such as some of the divestitures we've done related to our.

Heartland application business we'll continue to refine that and again we're working hand in hand with CNH and our fellow CNH dealers on that and and we believe that's a great solution for our customers in the end and we're we're very pleased with with that acquisition and again as we continue to refine it.

Secondly, is, just continuing to get ready for additional acquisitions that will be accretive and in line with our strategic plan and so we'll continue to refine our footprint and optimize in the areas where, we perform the best and can really maximize our customer care strategy. And then third, you'll see us, doing a lot with the multi-brand strategy with CNH as you saw we just. Added the contract at 5 or 6 of our rooftops in Australia where we didn't actually add any rooftops, but we added the new holland contract to 6 of our 15 as well as we've got a third of our North American footprint that's dual branded and there's a lot of value there that we can unlock for our shareholders and for our customers and give better customer service as we do that so we're going to continue to. Execute on that strategy as well. And just with the overall demand, I mean, I think as there's.

A lot of variables in play. Here, we'll see, what continues to happen with soybean sales and soybean consumption, so really on the demand side and as we continue to look at stock to use ratios here also with, ren fuel standards as we get into January here, I think we'll see some further development on that. Things around, E15 and biodiesel especially, and then, really if you look at the government stimulus is going to be the big wild card here. So with the shutdown, no assistance came, we'll see what comes yet in, 2025. Of course we're running out of time in the calendar year and so 2026, I think that's going to be the big question as that today's. Commodity prices, even though we've had a recent uptick, many of the farmers are still not at profitable levels here, even with the good yields that we had. So that's going to, I believe, be another big wild card for next year here that we should get a lot more color on here, especially the February was the report comes out and as insurance rates get locked in at the end of February and so forth.

All right, and then my last question, you, from an inventory standpoint. Maybe you can comment a little bit as to how you think about that. I, and I know I've asked this question before that you report dollar inventories, right? But I, we got to sort of keep in mind that the price of the equipment that you have in inventory has gone up a lot over the years and you know your store count has increased as well. Is there a way to maybe help us understand or maybe frame for us where you are in terms of unit counts of inventories and. Maybe relative to the prior cycle or really any way that you think shareholders might find it helpful.

Thank you.

Yeah, and to start with, certainly inventory being a big topic, trying to think about, the best ways to provide transparency without overcomplicating things there, and certainly super impactful to talk about the price increase, over the last year we had talked about the cost of the four wheel drive going up more than 80% since 2024, we've talked directionally speaking, again in the last year as we versus where we started last downturn we had about 1/3 as many, used combines, which is, an indicator, an important indicator in terms of how much work there is to be done on the used equipment side of things.

So we'll keep working on, the best ways to portray that info, but I mean it's pretty, easy to quickly just think about it in terms of like half the number of units, and yeah, we are much better positioned than we previously were, and you know and that's really shown in just what happened with our equipment margins in Q3 for example versus the first half of the year. Our stance has been to. Aggressively manage our inventory, including the value in which it sits on our balance sheet, that's pulled forward some of that P&L pain, and that's where we saw lower margins than we had seen historically. But then you saw that significant inflection here in the 3rd quarter. We feel really good about where things are priced.

The number of units we still have to move, and exactly what we need to continue to accomplish, this year to set ourselves up for success next year we feel really good about where we're going to be to end the year and then in a -- a market where North America is potentially down a bit again from there, it's going to be a continued focus on managing that aging profile, or we're just going to be in a lot better position to execute at the market instead of trying to be more aggressive out there. And so we should continue to see progress on those equipment margins and of course on that reduction in floor plan interest.

Yeah, M, I would just add, good point on your part. As you said, as we've had equipment prices, per unit in some categories nearly double in less than 10 years here, dollars is not, in and of itself a good way to look at it purely and as you mentioned, also increasing our store count as well, so. As inventory turns is a is a really good way to look at that and also interest expense in general, so, those are some of the key things in in for us is just as we go forward to manage our interest expense.

Mitigate that as much as possible, maximize our manufacturer floor plan terms, etc. And ultimately pre-sell with customers, so the high dollar, cash crop, high ticket equipment, is pre-sold and not sitting on our balance sheet for any longer than possible and especially accruing interest expense. So you know we'll continue to monitor, turns and interest expense are a couple big indicators there.

All right, very helpful.

Thank you guys.

Thank you, man.

Thank you. Our next question comes from a line of Ted Jackson with Northland Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. Good morning.

Good morning.

Morning.

So I wanted to start out and just kind of ask a few questions around inventory, just to make sure, I kind of understand everything and it'll drive a few other things. So you commented, so your inventory year-to-date is down $98 million, but it would be down $75 million if you hadn't done the divestitures, is.

That correct?

Yeah, that's correct.

Okay, so.

So when I think about the, and that's fabulous progress, by the way, so I wanted to make sure to say that, but when I think about the 150, guidance that's been put out, if you hadn't done any divestitures, What would that guidance.

Be? Well, and there's a couple of, through the end of the year, right, essentially what I'm saying is the Australia acquisition that we did will largely offset those divestitures. Then the other wrinkle I guess we have is the Germany divestiture that will be helpful there as well, but yeah, I mean.

Somewhere in the 130, 140 range, but again there's some offsetting impacts. The other thing that was against us from a dollar perspective is just the FX on the Europe side which added to inventory without actually adding units and last thing. I would say just to gauge the progress and again this is dollars so it's not exactly units but in the last down cycle it took us two years to decrease inventory $348 million. It took us three years to decrease inventory $543 million you know we're going to go past that in an 18 month period of time here, again it just speaks to the approach that we're taking and to manage this down, faster, to get position heading. Into the next year.

So putting it into.

Like context of, when we were talking about inventories before and units and everything, the the 150 to 100 on a unit basis what I mean, even if like if you make it organically, you're taking up your view in terms of what you're going to be able to take your inventory numbers down, let's call it on a unit basis, at, regardless of the divestitures that, you, it's indeed a.

A change, you see what I'm saying, it's not being driven by a change in your footprint, it's being driven by a change in your view with regards to what you're going to be able to.

Oh yeah, absolutely, and I mean the biggest thing that's been reduced here to make sure that you're appreciating it is aged used equipment which is, the biggest risk in terms of evaluation. So just I mean couldn't be happier with the progress the team has made excited about the additional progress we're going to be able to make. It reflects on the balance sheet in a given quarter. The reality is. That this is something that we, we've been at for more than two years now as we've seen how things have been evolving with lead times, when we're getting stuff in from the OEMs, how we're digesting that. So, really great progress, and we look to make more here, in the next couple of months.

And then with regards to the change with your outlook for inventory, is it, is there, is there, is that change by chance being done because you have a more pessimistic view of how, about this goal ;26.

Looks to be, or you, do you understand what I'm saying? I mean, is it, like you, if your view is that, the market going forward is weaker than I expected, so I don't need as much inventory, so I'm going to try to get rid of more inventory. Do you struggle with that. Is it a change in terms of, how you kind of view the macro, or do you still kind of feel like, well, we're bottoming out and, in what's called calendar '25, and we should have a more stable market in '26 and that view that. It's been, generally expressed across.

The ag market, the ag players for the last, several quarters is still intact. Does that make sense?

Yeah, big picture wise, I don't think that things have shifted drastically. I mean, the, and the OEMs in the general space have been talking about North America potentially down somewhat next year, but not so much that it changes, our trajectory of where we want to go. It's more a reflection of the work that we still feel like we have and can accomplish for the year. I would say though. That as we flip the calendar into next year, so we're going to get to a pretty darn good spot ending this year, all things considered.

We do absolutely expect some seasonal build in the spring, kind of refreshing some, categories ahead of the selling season, so I wouldn't expect further reduction in the back half of next year, but getting to a good spot at the end of this year, seasonal build in the first half of next year, and then depending on where we see the market shaping up, probably, taking it back down a bit, in the direction of kind of where we ended this year, that's kind of my base case scenario that I would lay out for you.

Yeah, and Ted, I would just add, if we go back to the earlier discussion with Meg there around, we, for our growers next year, we, unless we see a significant uptick here in commodity prices or again the wild card with, government assistance, next year, looks like it could be challenging again for our growers, so we want to be. Prudent about how we're, stocking our inventory accordingly and then also as we talked about interest expense, with interest rates as high as they are, it's important that we're mitigating the interest expense and then the third thing I would say for next year and going forward is just again a strategic change for us and.

In our balance sheet management and and really as we talk about our footprint optimization, one of the benefits of that is we continue to refine and get our tighter contiguous footprint which allows us to leverage that footprint and leverage our scale and and share inventory more freely amongst our stores and still be able to, capture every sale that's still the ultimate goal and keep our customers up and running and and satisfy their equipment needs and make them more efficient. So to never miss a sale but to do that with leaner inventories and so that's where we're headed.

Okay, and then my last question, it, it's maybe more of just like ask for a little color. So, I mean, a big thing with CNH is they really want to get, their brands consolidated into, under one roof, and you made a comment that in Australia 6 of your 15 roofs now, take both, Case and New Holland equipment. I was kind of curious when, if you could provide a similar kind of.

Metric for the other reasons and maybe talk about.

Well, maybe it's too much, but area, like how many, when you think about that, like is it first of all, how much of your footprint at a region is that consolidation already taking place and I don't know, maybe to the extent that you can, how you think you're positioned for.

Further consolidation of.

Of rooftops for CNH because it's such an important longer-term strategy for them. That's my last question.

Yeah, thank you, it is for sure and so we're very much aligned with CNH and our fellow dealers in that strategy and we think there's a lot of value for our customers and our shareholders again there and we can, it gives us an additional scale. It gives our customers, most importantly, a lot of benefits as we do that and allowing us to give them quicker response times and less downtime ultimately. So we're very focused on that. We have been for a long time, we like that that we've seen that, growing, additional energy around that strategy, again from other dealers and from CNH collectively, and we're going to continue to push on that. You asked, how we're sitting now, so that's that.

6 of 15 obviously brings us to just over a third in Australia and we're going to keep pushing there. We are just about a third in the US and we'll keep doing the same there. And then in Europe, again you're seeing that in kind of the earlier stages, so working hand in hand with CNH in in Germany, in that case, we ended up selling and we'll look to. Again, in other areas, be a buyer as, things continue to move around here and, we leverage that that strategy. So, that's also part of again our strategic plan as we get some dry powder ready here and and look to continue to execute on that strategy in coming years.

Okay. Hey, thank you very much for taking my questions.

Is that.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Steve Dyer with Craig Hallam Capital Group. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, thanks, this is Matthew Rob I for Steve. Just want to go back to the government payments. Are you starting to see that flow through to your farmers in the footprint, or is it just too early to tell? And then I guess with that, was there any impact in the quarter or on order books, given those payments?

So earlier in the year they they received some and then they received a little bit more in in early summer and then as we speak they're receiving a little bit more which is the final 15% they received the 85% of some of the first assistance back in approximately June and now they're receiving the last of that however you know there was up to nearly $10 million. Discussed for soybean assistance we have not seen that yet. There's a verbal agreement with China that would potentially return them to above $25 million metric tons annually, which is about what they've historically produced or that's about in line with their five year average.

So, we'll see if if it looks like they're going to execute on those purchases. Then maybe we see prices come up and and those funds don't need to come through and vice versa so I think the government will continue to monitor that again as we look at what's left here for 25, not optimistic about a lot more getting into our growers' hands other than what's already in motion, but certainly for 26 I think there's a lot to.

To look at their, when you look at the pricing levels where they're at today, especially with the current price of of wheat and corn and soybeans as an example, but really generally most of the commodities are pressured right now and and again it it does come back to that supply and demand ratios.

Understood. Thank you. And then, on the footprint optimization, and then really think about Germany, maybe Bo, any sense you can give us in the overall contribution Germany was to the Europe segment from the top and and bottom line, standpoint and then I guess with that any is that enough to move the needle as we think about next year, and what that could mean from a sales perspective.

Yeah, so overall for Germany over the last several years, they have averaged roughly $40 million, low $40 million-line and pre-tax loss of somewhere in the $4 million to $6 million range, so beneficial to transition that off from a bottom line perspective in the context of our total whole goods revenues, not a not a massive impact there.

That's great. Thank you very much.

Thank you. That concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn the floor back to management for any final comments.

Well, thank you everybody for your time this morning and we. Look forward to updating you on our next call.

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