Third Coast Bancshares Inc (TCBX) 2024 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to the Third Coast Bank fourth quarter and full year 2024 conference call.

At this time (Operator Instructions) this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Natalie Hairston of Investment Relations.

Thank you.

You may begin.

Thank you, operator and good morning, everyone.

We appreciate you joining us for a third Coast bank share conference call and webcast to review our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results with me today is Bart Caraway, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; John Mcwhorter, Chief Financial Officer and Audrey Duncan, Chief Credit Officer.

First, a few housekeeping items, there will be a replay of today's call, and it will be available by webcast on the investors section of our website at ir.thirdcoast.bank. There will also be a telephonic replay available until January 28 and more information how to access these replay features was included in yesterday's earnings release

Please note that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, January 23, 2025.

And therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay, listening or transcript reading.

In addition, the comments made by management during this conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the United States federal securities laws.

These forward-looking statements reflect the current views of management.

However, various risks uncertainties and contingencies could cause actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those expressed in the statements made by management.

The listener or reader is encouraged to read the annual report on form 10-K that was filed on March 7, 2024, to better understand those risks uncertainties and contingencies.

The comments made today will also include certain non-GAAP Financial measures, additional details and reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures were included in yesterday's earnings release which can be found on the third coast website.

Now, I would like to turn the call over to Third Coast Chairman, President and CEO Mr. Bart Carraway.

Good morning, everyone.

And thank you, Natalie.

I'll begin by sharing the key highlights from the earnings release followed by John's review of the financials and Audrey's review credit quality.

After that, I will outline our plans for the future.

There are several things to highlight.

First, we are proud to achieve 14 consecutive positive quarters of net interest income growth in the fourth quarter.

Our net interest income reached $43.4 million, reflecting a 7.6% rise from $40.4 million in the third quarter of this year and a 16.4% increase from $37.3 million in the fourth quarter of the previous year.

Second, fourth quarter loan growth rose by $76.6 million up 2%.

While for the full year loans grew by $327.6 million or 9%.

Third, we increased deposits by $316 million or 7.9% in the fourth quarter.

While the full year they grew by $507.4 million or 13.3%.

Our dedication to customer service has been instrumental in driving this growth by understanding the unique needs of our customers in offering tailored financial solutions.

We have strengthened our relationships and broaden our base of full wallet customers.

A keystone of our strategy is our commitment to operational excellence ensuring we improve efficiency.

As we scale in the fourth quarter, we improved our efficiency ratio to 58.8% for the second consecutive quarter.

We exceeded our initial internal efficiency ratio target of below 60%.

This significant milestone underscores our determined pursuit of cost management and process optimization.

Our 1% improvement initiative has proven to be an effective tool motivating our team to explore innovative ways to streamline operations, leverage technology, reduce overhead and enhance productivity.

These efforts are essential for maintaining profitability as we continue to expand our operations and market presence overall, I'm extremely pleased with the fourth quarter and full year results.

For 2024 our team has shown exceptional focus and discipline in implementing the bank's strategic priorities which has resulted in these tremendous results.

Their hard work not only has driven impressive financial performance, but it has also laid a strong foundation for future successes with that.

I'll turn the call over to John for the company's financial update, John.

Thank you, Bart and good morning, everyone.

As Bart highlighted, we experienced yet another outstanding quarter along with the loan and deposit growth that Bart mentioned, we also experienced significant growth in investment securities which increased $91.9 million.

These purchases were made possible due to the large increase in deposits yields on securities purchased averaged 5.44% and the yield on the total portfolio at period end was 6.31%.

As previously mentioned, deposits drew $316 million in the fourth quarter.

Much of this was seasonal, particularly the large increase in noninterest bearing demand.

We think a better reflection of our deposit growth can be found on page 9 of our press release which has average quarterly balances looking at.

The income statement net interest income was up $3.1 million versus the prior quarter, this increase resulted from a large increase of $347 million in average earning asset and a net interest margin which fell just two bases.

The bank's cost of funds improved materially following 35 basis points following the federal Reserve's rate cuts.

Overall, the net interest margin was better than expected considering a large increase in low margin cash balances.

Without this large increase in cash, we estimate that the net interest margin would have been about five basis points higher.

Furthermore, our net income and other profitability metrics showed consistent positive growth throughout all four quarters of 2024 for the year.

Net income reached $47.7 million translating to $3.14 and $2.78 per basic and diluted share respectively.

This marks a 42.7% increase from the previous year's total of 33.49%.

Other noninterest expenses experienced a modest rise in the fourth quarter, primarily due to increased salary expense resulting from new hires, increased bonus expense and a reduction in salary expense deferral related to loan funding during the fourth quarter that completes the financial review at this point.

I'll pass the call to Audrey for our credit quality review, Audrey.

Thank you, John and good morning, everyone.

We are pleased to report that our thorough underwriting standards and proactive risk management practices have contributed to maintaining strong credit quality for the fourth quarter.

And throughout 2024 our disciplined approach to credit has further enabled us to maintain our well diversified portfolio.

The non-performing loans to total loans ratio increased to 0.7% in the fourth quarter compared to 0.62% in the third quarter.

While we had $6.7 million in loans placed on nonaccrual during the quarter, they were partially offset by $1.7 million in paydowns $1.1 million in loans placed back on accrual and a $690,000 charge off of the loans placed on nonaccrual.

One commercial loan relationship represented $5.4 million and has a combined loan to value of 35%.

We do not anticipate losses on these recent nonaccruals.

The bank reported net charge offs of 879,000 for the fourth quarter or 0.09% of average loans compared to $1.5 million or 0.17% of average loans for the same period.

Last year, the loan portfolio continued to be well diversified with percentages remaining consistent with previous quarters.

C&I loans stayed at 38% of total loans, construction development and land loans held steady at 22% while owner occupied and nonowner occupied CRE stayed near prior percentages at 11% and 16% of total loans respectively.

Office represented 3.3% of total loans with approximately 59% being owner occupied medical office was another 1.3% of total loans.

Consistent with previous quarters, the office portfolio generally consists of class B with some owner-occupied C space and is all located in our Texas footprint.

The average LTV of our office portfolio is approximately 68% and the average LTV for medical office is approximately 60% multifamily represented 3.3% of total loans and has an average LTV of 57%.

We remain dedicated to maintaining a balance between expanding our portfolio and upholding our strict credit standards.

This approach allows us to adjust to evolving market conditions, helping us to capitalize on new opportunities while safeguarding the integrity of our portfolio.

With that, I'll turn the call back to Bart.

Thank you, Audrey.

We entered the fourth quarter with strong momentum allowing us to close out 2024 with impressive results.

We are executing exactly as promised when we became a public company with our strategy and priorities focused on aligning efficiency and profitability to provide even greater value to our stakeholders.

It's truly remarkable to be where we are today.

Given the challenges of the last three years, we have navigated a global pandemic participated in PPP, endured extraordinary Texas weather events dealt with macroeconomic tensions, experienced bank failures that impacted our industry and weathered a liquidity crisis.

Yet we are, we are surpassing our projected figures.

This achievement reflects the passion and commitment of our talented team, their resilience and dedication to doing what's right for our customers and for our company is truly inspiring.

Looking ahead, we are excited about the opportunities. 2025 will bring, we are confident in our ability to navigate the ever-changing financial services landscape in terms of operational excellence, excellence.

Our priorities include continuing our 1% improvement initiative, which I'm proud to say has truly become a cultural cornerstone of our company.

This commitment is now integrated into nearly every task and project we pursue as we consistently seek ways to improve our operations while controlling spending and further improving our efficiency ratio to ensure it remains below our 60% target in terms of growth and expansion.

Our plans include strengthening our relationships with customers and increasing our share of deposits while we anticipate some fluctuations particularly typical seasonal dip in the first quarter.

We are optimistic that deposits will grow throughout the course of the year.

With the launch of our new core and improved product and service offerings sustaining our loan growth targets of$50 million to $100 million each quarter for the full year.

We expect 2025 loan growth of approximately 8% or roughly $325 million par with 2024 when it comes to profitability and performance.

Our goals include maintaining our return on average assets target of 1% or better and upholding our strong credit quality.

Our unwavering commitment to these strategic objectives will ensure that we remain a trusted and reliable financial partner for our customers, as well as an attractive investment for our shareholders.

Dicot is well positioned to achieve these goals and capitalize on the opportunities that lie ahead ensuring our company's continued success.

This concludes our prepared remarks.

I'd like to now turn the call back over to the operator to begin the question-and-answer session operator.

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Woody Lay with KBW.

Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys.

I Wanted to start on the fourth quarter loan yield.

I thought the beta was pretty impressive.

Given the floating rate loan exposure.

Could you just walk through that loan yield and any expectations going forward?

Yeah, we have outperformed a little bit on both the yields on loans and the cost of funds.

And you know, I don't think we really have a great explanation for it because we are very rate sensitive.

You know, very floating on both sides of the balance sheet.

But it's just the new loans that we have been putting on the books have been at better spreads and has made up the difference.

And that's, that's one of those things that it's kind of hard to predict.

It depends on the volumes that we have as to whether they're enough to make a difference, but they did in the fourth quarter.

So, we were very happy with both loan yields and the drop in the cost of funds.

We're both a little better and I think we talked about this a little last quarter, that relative to the modeling that we're doing, we outperformed on both of those sides versus our Assumption.

Yes.

And part of it's not accident.

I mean, we have some very dynamic discussions internally between, loan committees and sales committees that we have internally about, what those full wallet relationships and the discipline around, pricing in both loans and deposits.

So I think those discussions have been healthy and contribute to part of that spread as well.

Yeah, that, that's good color.

Maybe a follow up there a any color you could give on the spreads of new loan production?

And are, are you seeing those spreads impacted by loan competition at all?

Feels like across the industry, everyone's talking up a greater appetite for growth or?

So, are you seeing that play out in the competition?

Yeah, I mean, part of me and John can tag team a little bit on this from what I'm seeing in terms of the market is, we have some really good bankers that are on board and because of that, I think we have a pretty strong pipeline but, even with that, we're very selective, it's got to meet not just the credit hurdles, but it's also going to hit a lot of others, including the pricing.

One of the things that John and I and Audrey have been very disciplined on is making sure that, if it's a good deal that we try to maintain $300 million over SOFR for that and you know, this occasionally will go under that.

But for the most part, we will probably turn around a deal or turn away a deal if it doesn't hit those, price targets for us.

So I think that that's part of it.

I think the market is a little bit more competitive and we will see probably most banks will see some loan growth.

But I think also the market in general has a little bit more openness to credit at this point.

And I think the positivity that is rolling out is going to take a while for that to be seen in loan fundings going up.

But I do think throughout the year that that's going to be a positive trend for all banks, I just think for us, we had already built up such a pipeline that we're just a little ahead of the curve.

Yeah, I mean, just following on to those points, anything priced at less than SOFR plus 300 would require Barter eye approval and we just haven't made many of those lately.

The team really haven't even come to us much lately.

So if we're, if our starting point is so for plus 300 there's loan fees tacked on top of it, we end up with a pretty good yield out of it.

That's really helpful.

I guess just putting a sort of a bow on the margin.

A, any near term expectations.

I know that, I think you made a comment that there was about five basis points of excess liquidity headwind.

Do you, do you think we could see the margin up a little bit in the coming quarters or, or?

Well, I guess any expectations there.

The margin would have been at least five basis points, maybe six or seven basis points higher.

Had we not had all the excess cash in the fourth quarter?

Now, much of that rolled off very shortly after year end, but we expect it to ramp back up before the end of March.

So that the timing of it is hard to say, but certainly I think the margin going forward will be higher than we reported for this quarter.

Depends on our cash balances.

You know, our loan to deposit ratio was much lower at year end than it has been in recent quarters.

So if we're in that 95%, 96% kind of loan to deposit ratio, which is our goal, I think the margin will be about five basis points higher than it is.

And we feel pretty good about it for the rest of the year.

As the fed has cut rates, we've been very successful in lowering our cost of funds by, having a relatively high cost of funds has I think made it easier for us to reduce that and it's been good for the margin.

All right, that's all for me.

Thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Bernard Von Gizycki Deutsche Bank.

Please proceed with your question.

Hi guys.

Good morning.

Just on expenses.

Obviously, you've done, you know, improvement throughout the last several quarters and you know, you did kind of get past the 60% efficiency ratio.

How, how should we think about the expense growth in 2025.

Yes.

So we did have a tick up in the fourth quarter, Bernie to that kind of $27 million range.

So we were up 4% or roughly 4% year-over-year.

That's about what I would expect to see for next year.

I think that $27 million number is probably pretty good for the next couple of quarters.

We have recently hired a couple of relatively senior lenders and also some credit underwriters to, to help you manage the pipeline of the, of the loans that are coming in and the renewals and whatnot.

So we have, we have done some hiring in recent months that that cause that number to go up.

And we do expect some the latter half of the year from some technology changes, but unfortunately, it will be post July probably before we get the benefit of that.

Great.

Thank, for that color.

And then maybe just on fee income, even, x the securities gains, it came in better than expected.

Any, any thoughts on just like the near-term expectations or you know, any, any areas that you want to call out, that you're expecting to see a better growth in.

I mean, we certainly have lots of optimism there that the improvement that we have seen in noninterest income each quarter seems to be something a little bit different, a couple of quarters ago we said it was SBIC income, I think last quarter we said it was treasury management fees, back to the first quarter.

It was primarily loan fee income.

So we're really working hard on all of those individual pieces, and you know what it may be exactly for the next quarter is maybe harder to say because some of these things tend to be lumpy.

Remember when we talked about SBIC income, it was $600,000 in the third quarter, which wasn't necessarily expected.

But going forward, our wealth management division is doing well.

You know, we're still making about $50,000 a month there.

Treasury that we talked a lot about last quarter.

They're growing roughly 50% to 60% of a year in fee income.

And we don't see that slowing down.

If anything, it may speed up, it's still coming off a relatively small base.

But the commercial deals that we have been looking at is resulting in lots of fee income.

You know, loan fees, swaps are a little bit harder to predict.

But you know, the more deals we're seeing, the more lenders we have, we're pretty optimistic about that noninterest number being in the $3 million range for the next several quarters.

And to further recognize a lot of the groups, treasury has made just such tremendous improvements, and they have so many initiatives going forward that's really exciting, both changing our deposit mix, but also the fee side of it, growing customer base.

But also each line of business from the community bank, the corporate, as well as the specialty finance, they've each been very innovative about reviewing their customer base, changing their pricing models to actually move the needle a lot last year in terms of fee income.

So I think it's just a combination of things, everybody working together to find base hits that have added up to some big scores.

You know, internally when we're talking about fee income, there's kind of two pieces, there's the piece that is included in interest that's primarily associated with loans.

And of course, with fas 91 we're capitalizing those fees and the capitalized balance of our loan fees has never been higher.

We're advertising just under a million dollars a month on loan fees.

And you know, if you do expect rates to fall next year, that's going to be a great hedge to the margin to have that extra close to a million dollars a month in fee income that we're recording there.

And that's, that's fees that we would include in the margin interest income.

And it's just another thing helping the margin.

Great.

Thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Mitchell with Raymond James.

Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning guys.

Good morning.

Just wanted to start.

It's great to see, the continued progress on the non interest bearing balances.

Curious if you could shed some more light on kind of initiatives around that, maybe how you're structuring kind of banker incentive and your expectations for net balances in the mix kind of through the year here.

Yeah, depending on which group the bankers are in some of them, the largest component of their incentive is deposits.

So, and you know, the other thing that helps too is on the treasury side that they're their own sales engine as well.

I mean, they certainly complement and get a lot of business from the commercial bankers, but they also have their own, kind of outbound calling initiatives and their, so I think you have a number of different components there that are working together.

Each line of business has their own goals on the deposits that are in stretch goals.

They've been very effective in, at the same time, our retail group has multiple different strategies that they're trying to implement, that will affect the deposit base positively as well.

And then of course, treasury is just on fire in terms in terms of, adding new accounts and more sophistication.

So what I would say, it's probably over a dozen different initiatives and depending on the quarter, each one of them has, some sort of a record or standout month and they all add together to be, hitting the goals that we need them to hit.

Yeah, and Tim if I could add to that, we talked about this on the last call that our noninterest bearing demand had dropped every month consecutively for six or eight months in a row.

And then starting in about July, it has grown every month since then.

So we kind of, passed that hurdle where we started growing those noninterest bearing demand deposits.

Now, with that said the $600 million that we had at year end had a little fluff in it.

We had one customer that had a very large balance that left the bank shortly after year end.

So the period in number was more like $500 million, but still a nice increase from where we were back in March $424 million in demand, 450 or 460 last year.

And we've, we've made big improvements and would expect that to continue just slowly ticking up.

I don't know, call it $10 million $20 million a quarter in demand.

Yes.

And of course, we usually have around tax time, a little bit of a drop, but it's always temporary and then it comes right back.

Understood.

Thanks for all that color.

And just, it sounds like you have a lot of opportunities on the loan side.

You're trying to turn stuff away.

It sounds like how should we think about deposit growth is kind of a governor of, of, what you're willing and able to do on the loan side through the year.

And kind of would you want how far would you let that loan to deposit ratio tick up if kind of when demand continues to grow?

You know, I don't think deposits have been a particular governor for us over the last three years.

You know, we're still relatively small in our markets.

I think for us it's more a question of cost that, most of our peers are paying less than us.

So I think it's just making the calls.

I think we can bring in the, in the deposits.

You know, they may cost us something close to sour, but we're pretty confident that we can bring in the money to fund the bank.

And we like running in that loan to deposit ratio of about 95% is our goal.

And yeah.

I think we're, we're focused on, growing the capital being a creative through profitability and that's more of a governor to us than the deposit side because again, we pass on a lot of good loan deals because we're trying to hit certain margins and productivity and efficiency ratios more than we are necessarily worried about the deposit side of it.

But you know, it's still a journey this bank, we're still going through the process of building.

And so, there'll be different fluctuations from time to time.

But again, I feel pretty good about where our deposit base is going and how it's going to remix a lot this year.

And I think basically the way that we look at it is if we think loans are going to be up $50 million to 100 million a quarter, that deposits are going to mirror that to the extent that the loan to deposit ratio that we're shooting for is 95%.

So we're kind of solving for deposits depending on where loan growth ends up.

And we're still comfortable with that $50 million to $100 million a quarter number.

And you know, it tends to be lumpy for us.

I know we had a big third quarter last year and, and that sort of thing is, is certainly possible at any time.

Got it.

Well, it was good to see another great quarter.

So, once you take my questions guys.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Jordan JWD.

Steven FK.

Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning guys.

I just had a quick question around expenses and more about the additional hires.

What are you guys expecting as far as, making additional hires in 2025?

So if you could give any color on that, that would be great.

Thanks.

For the last.

Few years.

We've always talked about being selective and surgical and, for us, I think we're constantly reviewing our bankers and what we have now is a group of very high performing bankers.

And I think that raises the bar on who joins us.

So I think for us we're looking at a few things.

One, if there is a really good talent that's out there that you don't get a look at very often, we certainly don't mind bringing them on board.

I mean, we're always a talent magnet, but at the same time, we're also grooming bankers internally.

So you have some junior bankers taking the step up as well.

And then each basically division sort of has its own needs and plans.

So as we grow, we may need more PS or junior bankers to help with that or, in particular areas where, we've had substantial growth and there's a talent, we'll end up adding them.

So what I would say is judiciously, we will be selective opportunistic and maybe, one or two bankers for the rest of the year is what I'm thinking, but it's also subject to whatever the opportunities are in the market as well.

Got it.

And then just one other question, what do you, what are you guys expecting for a number of cuts this year if you guys have that number?

So certainly something that we talk about a lot, we don't necessarily put anything in our public releases, but we're so evenly matched from an asset liability perspective that we're somewhat indifferent.

I think if rates are moving, whether it be up or down, we tend to find a way to take advantage of it.

But you know, whether it's two or whether it's four, we're somewhat indifferent.

Yes John's much more diplomatic.

My first thought was I don't care because we're going to take advantage of it, which we are the way it goes.

I mean, we're so nicely poised where we are in the balance sheet that we will get some momentum.

Either way a change.

Actually, the change is an opportunity more than it just being flat.

I don't think we want it to be flat.

We want to change one direction or another.

It's going to benefit us.

Perfect.

Thanks for taking my questions.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Dave Storms with Stonegate.

Please proceed with your question morning.

Morning, just want to start by circling back on some of the tech improvements that were mentioned earlier that are maybe scheduled for the second half of this year.

Is there anything more you can tell us about maybe the nature of these changes and maybe a sense of their expected impacts.

Yeah, I mean, we.

We've elected to change course.

So we're going from Jack Henry to Fis and just the team did just an incredible job of basically, eventually negotiate a contract is going to save us money and give us more functionality.

So it's going to be a win, win for us on that.

The conversion is going to be in the middle of this year post that we think it's going to help with regard to deposit taking as well that our treasury products are going to have some enhanced functionality and then we're going to be able to bring on some larger corporate customers.

In addition to that, the contract that we have has really substantial savings in it compared to our old contract.

So we're going to see a little bit of help from the expense side, but we're also going to see some help on the productivity side as well.

Understood.

That's very helpful.

Thank you.

And then just one more, you mentioned the outlook for long of 8% in 2025.

Should we expect similar seasonal patterns and similar segment growth trends as we saw in 2024?

Or is there anything to highlight here that may differentiate 2025 from 2024?

Yeah, I would be very.

Cautious in looking at trends because a lot of this is either eternally driven or market driven and some of it outside of our control, it's easy to say that in the third quarter, the last two years, we had big loan increases, but I would not project necessarily that this year it may happen.

It may not, but we basically look at the portfolio growth based on what the goals we're trying to achieve as well as what's happening in the market.

And, I would not draw any parallels from that.

But I do think once again, it probably will be a little lumpy.

I mean, we rarely get it you know, evenly each quarter.

And, but in the end, the number ends up being pretty close to what we said.

And that's where I would, I would basically target.

This is at the end of the year.

I think we're going to hit pretty close to that number.

Understood.

That's very helpful.

And thank you for taking my questions.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from the line of Brian Agler with Kennedy Capital Management.

Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Hey, good morning, Brian.

I guess first of all congrats on a really solid 2024.

You guys have grown quarterly earnings every quarter since the third quarter of 2023.

I just wanted to give you guys an opportunity to maybe comment on, if you think that can continue and if that's maybe a little unclear because of some of the one Q deposit seasonality you talked about maybe just comment on expectations for earnings growth year over year in 2025.

Yeah, thanks, Brian.

The one quarter that we didn't have earnings growth is when we had a reduction in force or we would have grown then also.

So it actually would have been every quarter since we've gone public.

So call it 14 quarters and we don't see that stopping anytime soon.

I mean, I think we'll continue to, to have good growth and I think the margins going to be pretty stable, we've proven we can be, you know, good at expense control.

I think it'll be, roughly 4% that we roughly have a 4% increase in noninterest expense for the year.

So if we're growing loans, 8% margins stable, we're, we're pretty optimistic about the year.

We think fee income will be good, it will continue to increase.

So yes, we expect future quarters to be better than the fourth quarter.

Yeah.

And Brian, you followed the story from almost day one with all of it.

And so kind of understand what we're trying to build.

And you know, part of that is just build a story like flywheel.

Once you get started going, it gets easier.

And we've accumulated such an incredible management team that is good about hitting strategic goals as well as a lot of bench depth.

We have some amazing bankers, high concentration, just high performing people in general.

Plus, I mean, I just think by the nature of the markets that we're in, there's just as John says, we're relatively small compared to the other banks in the Texas triangle.

I think the market is going to disproportionately outperform the nation and we're going to be partially beneficial with that.

And the other thing is just the strategies that we've been implementing over this time.

Are finally taking effect like that flywheel deal where, all of a sudden, a lot of the infrastructure and initiatives are paying off now and I don't see that momentum going backwards.

I see that going forward, that it's just going to keep getting better and better.

And there's a lot of strategies that we still launch, that we're going to get the benefit of that.

We haven't even gotten the benefit of yet.

So I'm pretty optimistic that in the long term, the direction is very, very positive for us.

And Brian Audrey didn't get a chance to talk today.

No credit questions.

But speaking, Audrey, let me speak for you.

But I think we are very optimistic about credit right now and just don't see anything out there that that worries us.

We had nine basis points in charge off last year and don't see that changing much.

Yes, I agree with you, John.

Great.

No, I appreciate that color.

And Bart, I'll agree, you guys have delivered on everything since the IPO, if not better.

So congrats to the team.

Hey, thank you very much.

It, it's really an exceptional team.

I'm very proud of them.

And so in the beginning, Brian, we still got some, some really interesting things ahead of us.

It's going to be going to be good.

Thank you.

And we have reached the end of the question-and-answer session and I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Caraway for close remarks.

Thank you, Shamali, and I appreciate everyone for joining us on this call.

Thank you for your continued support of Third Coast Bancshares, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

Have a good morning.

Thank you.

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