Sunrise Realty Trust Inc (SUNS) 2025 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to Sunrise Realty Trust's Third quarter 2025 earnings call. (Operator Instruction) I would like now to turn the conference over to Gabriel Katz, Chief Legal Officer.

Good morning and thank you all for joining Sunrise Realty Trust's earnings call for the quarter ended September 30th, 2025. I'm joined this morning by Leonard M. Tannenbaum, our Executive Chairman, Brian Sedrish, our Chief Executive Officer, and Brandon Hetzel, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to note that this call is being recorded. Replay information is included in our October 7, 2025 press release and is posted on the investor relations portion of our website at sunriserealtyTrust.com, along with our third quarter 2025 earnings release and investor presentation. Today's conference call includes forward-looking statements and projections that reflect the company's current views with respect to, among other things, market developments, our investment pipeline, anticipated portfolio yield, and financial performance and projections in 2025 and beyond. These statements are subject to inherent uncertainties in predicting future results. Please refer to Sunrise Realty Trust's most recent periodic filings with the SEC, including our quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed earlier this morning for certain conditions and significant factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements and projections.

During today's conference call, management will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, including distributable earnings. Please see our third quarter earnings release uploaded to our website for reconciliations of the non-GAAP financial measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures.

The format for today's call is as follows. Leonard will provide a general business and capital markets overview.

Next, Brian will cover our view on the state of the commercial real estate lending markets, discuss our existing portfolio, and provide an outlook for our investment pipeline. Then Brandon will provide an update on our financial position. After that, we'll open the lines for Q&A. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Executive Chairman, Leonard M. Tannenbaum.

Thank you, Gab. Good morning and welcome to our third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. For the quarter ended September 30th, 2025, Suns generated distributable earnings of $0.31 per share of common stock, which covered our dividend of $0.30.

Before Brian walks through our pipeline and portfolio, I want to take a moment to highlight what really sets Suns apart from other commercial mortgage rates.

At Suns our investment focus is clear. We originate transitional loans to properties primarily in the Southern United States.

This is a region we know well, and that local expertise allows us to generate attractive risk adjusted returns through disciplined underwriting and thoughtful structuring.

As of September 30th, 2025, our leverage was approximately 0.4 times.

That should increase as our existing loan commitments continue to fund.

This is substantially below our targeted leverage of 1 times to 1.5 times.

The peer average, however, is substantially higher than our target.

As our long-term goal is to achieve an investment grade rating from the top agencies in the next 3 years to 5 years.

Now turning to the portfolio, our weighted average loan to cost to closing is only 56%.

This conservative positioning has led to our strong credit performance.

Additionally, our new vintage portfolio with no loans made before January 2024 has also contributed to our strong portfolio performance.

About 95% of our loans are floating rate with an average sofa floor across the portfolio of about 4%.

So far has now dropped below 4% and is anticipated to go lower given the sofa floor is in place across our loan book and our credit line's much lower floor at approximately 2.6%. We have the potential to earn additional income through the expansion in Sun's net interest margin.

As the company's largest shareholder, I believe Sons presents a terrific risk adjusted return at a lower effective tax rate.

My confidence in our company is why I've continued to make frequent share purchases since our first day of trading.

In my view, SOS today offers a compelling entry point and a meaningful discount to book value with stable dividend coverage and clear earnings and dividend growth potential.

We've also built a team that's built for success.

Our eight person dedicated real estate team within the larger Tannenbaum Capital Group platform gives us this disciplined underwriting, deep local market knowledge, and a differentiated focus on transitional commercial real estate projects across the southern US.

With that I'll turn it over to Brian to discuss the market environment and walk through our portfolio in more detail.

Thank you and and good morning everyone. Before turning to our current portfolio and pipeline, I wanted to take a minute to discuss what we're seeing generally in the real estate market.

We have seen a notable pick up in activity over the past quarter as financing requests have increased meaningfully relative to the first half of the year.

We believe this is the result of borrowers gaining greater confidence that short-term interest rates are on a path of gradual decline.

This renewed sense of interest rate stability is encouraging more sponsors to come off the sidelines and actively engage in capital planning, whether it be refinancings or new projects. The increase in activity is not limited to refinancing opportunities, as we are also seeing a rise in financing requests tied to new acquisitions.

The bid as spread between buyers and sellers continues to narrow, and that is helping to increase transaction volume.

We are well positioned to finance new acquisition business plans where the basis has effectively been reset to levels that better align with current rent growth and for sale housing assumptions.

We are also seeing traditional commercial banks gradually re-enter the market, primarily focusing on lower leverage lending.

While their activity remains selective, they are playing an important role as back leverage providers for many of the transactions that we have been targeting. We view that as a healthy development indicative of improving liquidity in the broader CRE financing ecosystem.

That said, the depth of the commercial real estate market remains out of balance. There remains a meaningful GAAP between primary and secondary markets across property types and at different stages of an asset's life cycle from construction through to stabilization.

Most of the new financing activity is concentrated in the bridge lending space, primarily within multi-family and industrial properties. These are assets that have largely completed their improvement plans and are moving towards stabilization.

As a reminder, at Sons we primarily focus on transitional real estate projects that have yet to reach stabilization or near stabilization. Our focus remains on this segment as we believe this part of the market still provides the strongest risk adjusted returns.

TCG's real estate pipeline primarily comprises loans to transitional assets backed by highly qualified sponsors that require a more structured solution whereby our team can capitalize on its expertise in pre-stabilization business plans and complex deal structures. We believe that these unique core competencies allow us to capture the most attractive opportunities emerging in this current market environment.

Turning to our active pipeline, we have continued to see improvements in both the quantity and quality of deals sourced. As of today, the TCG real estate platform has two signed non-binding term sheets in documentation totaling approximately 170 million. We expect funds to be allocated a portion of these investments.

Turning to the portfolio, our originations for the quarter ended September 30th, 2025, partly reflected the slower market dynamics, which has picked up since quarter end. Specifically, in Q3, the TCG real estate platform originated a $60 million senior secured loan for a two-tower condominium development in the Brickell neighborhood of Miami, Florida, of which Sons committed $35 million.

Over the period, Sons funded $33 million of new and existing loans. As of September 30th, 2025, the Sun's portfolio at $367 million of commitments with $253 million funded.

Subsequent to quarter end, Sun successfully closed on $56 million of loan commitments, which include approximately $26 million in a financing package comprised of two senior loans for collection suites and industrial for sale development, including. Two projects located in Doral and West Palm Beach, Florida, and a $30 million loan in a senior bridge loan for the refinancing of a seven-story Class A retail property in the Galleria section of Houston, Texas.

I remain highly confident in the opportunities set ahead, and I look forward to capitalizing on the many attractive opportunities current in front of us. With that, I will now turn the call over to Brandon Hetzel, our Chief Financial Officer.

Thank you, Brian. For the quarter ended September 30th, 2025, we generated net interest income of $6.1 million and distributable earnings of 4.12 million, or $0.31 per basic weighted average common share. And had GAAP net income of 4.05 million or $0.30 per basic weighted average common share.

We believe that providing distributable earnings is helpful to shareholders in assessing the overall performance of Sun's business. Distributable earnings represents net income computed in accordance with GAAP, excluding non-cash items such as stock compensation expense, unrealized gains or losses, and the provision for current expected credit losses, also known as (Inaudible).

For the quarter ended September 30th, 2025. The board of directors declared a $0.30 dividend per share outstanding. The dividend was paid on October 15, 2025 to shareholders of record as of September 30th, 2025.

We ended the third quarter of 2025 with 367 million of current commitments and $253 million of principal outstanding spread across 13 loans.

As of November 3, 2025, our portfolio consisted of 421.1 million of current commitments and 295.2 million of principal outstanding across 16 loans, with a weighted average portfolio yield to maturity of approximately 11.8%. I'd also like to note that as of September 30th, 2025, our (Inaudible) reserve was approximately 400,000, or 17 basis points for our loans at carrying value.

As of September 30th, 2025, we had total assets of $258.8 million and our total shareholder equity was $184.6 million with a book value of $13.76 per share.

With that, I will now turn it back over to the operator to start the Q&A.

(Operator Instruction) Timothy D'Agostino, B. Riley Securities.

Hi, thank you, good morning, and, congrats on the quarter. Just getting into the pipeline a little bit, in the investor deck you had mentioned the pipeline assets are broadening your presence across the Southern United States. I was just wondering what new, geographies within the southern US you're seeing in that pipeline.

Sure, thanks for the questions, Brian.

I mean, we're staying, we are staying true to our focus of primarily the Southern US. I mean that has not changed. Florida, Texas, of course, we are currently looking at we have one signed in the Carolinas in this case specifically North Carolina, Georgia.

Tennessee, those really remain the primary markets that we're seeing a preponderance of our deals and then sporadically, as we've always said, if they're interesting deals that we believe represent good risk adjusted returns, we'll look at those, as well.

Okay great and then I guess within the the geographies you just mentioned are there any that stand out as the most attractive in terms of investment?

Not particularly different than what we have historically been looking at we still are seeing really interesting pockets in the state of Texas. There's certainly some interesting deals still within Florida. It's obviously asset class dependent. You have to worry about oversaturation, so just like anything you have to be. Cognizant of the particular on the ground dynamics, the Carolinas still remain interesting. Tennessee, we're looking at a bunch of deals right now. Those are continuing to be the areas that we're focusing on and we're seeing enough deal flow to really enable us to continue to, stay focused on those areas.

Okay great thank you so much and congrats again on the quarter.

(Operator Instruction) Jade Ramani, KBW.

Thanks very much. How are things going on the debt side of the, business strategy? I know you, have been focused on further syndication, bank participation, in the, repo line, as well as plans for a bond issuance.

Okay, we'll start with the easy one. We're not going for a repo line for sure. We're not. We really are differentiated from the other mortgage rates and that we don't want to do these four time leverage deals and repos. We think that's how you get in trouble. We're instead going more after the latter financial model of, getting an investment grade rating over time, not levering over levering it 1 times to 1.5 times.

From a bank perspective it's really great. I mean there's a lot of interest in banks. I think Jeff Bakuzzi, who leads our DCM desk, is doing a good job. Educating these banks as they come in one by one, and they're very positive experiences, but because our portfolio is really strong, so I think so far so good with expanding our bank lines at that 275 over so far, level, so I think that's the way we're going to continue finance. I did say in the last call that I was going to look to do a, I don't know, either preferred or unsecured offering. We're still working on it. We're watching. The tape today is as read after read is starting to print perpetual preferred and they're actually being absorbed by the market so we are watching that market we do intend to be there this quarter or next quarter but you know you you do have to have the market open so.

I think that is going to be a good enhancer.

Where do you think the cost of the preferred would be?

I mean you're seeing them at the at 8, right? You see a 778 today from from one read it got done pine got one done at 8 so it seems like that's the number. I really don't want to price much higher than that because, I want to make sure we get a good net interest margin over time so we'll wait for the right price if we have to.

Okay, and you prefer to do that than to take up leverage through a warehouse line?

Absolutely, I really, I have no desire to do repo, I have no desire to do warehouse in this product. This product, I own 25% of the product.

We want to protect our investors' downside by not over levering it. So we, by the way, may not be preferred. It could be unsecured debt. I like, I really liked our unsecured debt too, 5 and 6 and 7 year unsecured. It could be a baby bond. It could be a preferred. There's a lot of variety of things that we could do.

That we could lever appropriately and and not get not get into trouble in the downturn.

Thanks.

It's been an interesting cycle and we have not really seen.

I would say high volatility and sort of violent pressure on the repo side as what we saw in the financial crisis. We've seen managed deleveraging from several of the mortgage rates that have major credit issues, but it's been, a lot more stable on credit lines or bank, warehouse lines are an area that banks definitely seem to be looking to be more active. Could you please comment on the portfolio underlyingfo performance and any trends in the underlying deals that you're seeing thus far? I know these are construction deals, so, completion is probably the biggest hurdle, but if you could, give a comment on as to how the largest deals are trending.

Sure, yeah, Jade, I'll take it. It's Brian. Our portfolio now is performing as really as expected. I mean, of course in any of these deals.

There are always things that pop up that need to be addressed. Bar calls us and says, they'd like to do something because they think it's more value add or maybe there's a two week delay here or there, but that's just ordinary course. The underlying construction.

Activity and, progression has been going well on all the loans that we have and then on the top-line in terms of if it's pre sales on condos or whether it's leased up they've all been moving along as expected there's nothing particularly exciting about the progress which is what we love slow steady. Expected and that's what we're continuing to see there's actually been a bit of a pick up recently on a couple of our for sale projects, just resulting from I think just a view of more migration down in this particular case to South Florida. I expect that will continue, in light of some of the political, environment, but other than that everything's pretty normal course.

Thanks very much for taking the questions.

Sure, thanks a lot.

(Operator Instruction).

Great, well thank you everybody for joining. We're excited about the upcoming quarters and the prospects and the pick up of momentum, and we look forward to talking to you again in the coming quarters.

(Operator Instruction).