SUI Group Holdings Ltd (SUIG) 2025 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good Afternoon everyone, and thank you for participating in today's conference call to discuss SUI Group Holdings, financial and operating results for the fourth quarter ending December 31st, 2025. Joining us today are SUI Group's Chairman of the Board, Marius Barnett, Chief Investment Officer, Stephen Mackintosh, and Chief Executive Officer, Douglas M. Polinsky, and Chief Financial Officer, Joseph A. Geraci, II.

By now, everyone should have access to the company's Fourth quarter 2025 earnings press release, which was issued this afternoon at approximately 4:05 p.m. Eastern time. The release is available in the investor relations section of the company's website at www.SUIG.io.

This call will also be available for webcast replay on the company's website.

Following management remarks, we'll open up the call for your questions.

Please be advised this conference call will contain statements that are considered forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

These forward-looking statements are subject to certain known and unknown risks and uncertainties as well as assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected in these forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are also subject to other risks and uncertainties that are described from time to time in the company's filings with the SEC.

Do not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements which are being made only as of the date of this call, except as required by law. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. For important risks and assumptions associated with such forwarding statements, please refer to the company's SEC filings.

Thank you and good afternoon everyone.

Before diving into the quarter, I'd like to briefly share my perspective on the current market environment. As many of I am the co-founder of Carriage, a London-based investment firm focused on digital assets and emerging technologies. Over the past several cycles, I've invested across public and private blockchain infrastructure, Defi protocols and AI linked digital systems.

Volatility in digital assets is not new to us. cyclical repricing, liquidity compression, and a sharp mark to market movement are inherent features of emerging asset classes.

What has remained consistent across cycles is the long-term progression of technology. Infrastructure improves, developing ecosystems deepen, institutional participation increases, and regulatory clarity advances. We believe we are operating in that progression today.

The digital asset industry is entering a more mature phase.

The regulatory engagement in the United States has shifted from uncertainty towards structure. Institutional frameworks around custody, derivatives, and market infrastructure continue to formalize. Policymakers are increasingly focused on integrating digital assets into modern capital markets rather than excluding them.

Those developments act as tailwinds, not just for the industry broadly but for institutional grade public companies like SUI group.

That context makes the strengthening of our board particularly important. During the 4th quarter, we appointed former CFTC commissioner and ex A16Z crypto Global head of policy, Brian Quintes as an independent director.

Brian is a recognized leader in financial markets, public policy, and digital asset regulation.

He currently serves on the board of CSI, an event-based derivatives exchange regulated by the US Commodity Futures Trading Commission and has advised a range of leading institutions across the digital assets and financial services ecosystems.

His presence reinforces Group's governance, discipline and positions us to engage constructively as regulated frameworks evolve.

Against that backdrop, SUI Group continues to execute on a strategy that is intensely long-term.

Our objective is not simply token accumulation. We aim to develop a public market gateway into one of the most technically differentiated layer one ecosystems in the market.

During the quarter, we continue to activate our treasury across multiple verticals. Our partnership with Bluefin is a great example of how we're moving beyond passive capital deployment.

Bluefin has scaled into the leading decentralized exchange on SUI with over $4 billion in monthly trading volume, $82 billion in cumulative volume, and expanding lending and vault products.

Institutional adoption of on-chain derivatives and structured yield products requires performance infrastructure and SUI's architecture enables that performance. By aligning with Bluefin , we are directly participating in one of the highest growth segments of on-chain finance.

In parallel, we advanced Stablecoin infrastructure through the launch of SUI USDE and USDI in collaboration with Athena and the SUI Foundation.

Moving from issuance to activation, we ceded $10 million into the ember operated Sui US Deault, a permissionless yield generating vehicle designed to create durable liquidity for the ecosystem.

Stablecoins are foundational to capital formation on chain.

Participating in the infrastructure layer position to Group to capture value beyond directional exposure.

The combination of these initiatives reflects a core principle guiding our strategy. Activation compounds value. We are not simply accumulating an idle treasury. We are scaling it, staking it, and strategically deploying it into high impact ecosystem infrastructure, all within a regulated, publicly traded framework both for transparency and institutional participation.

Our strategy is anchored in a structural shift we see underway across global markets.

The convergence of blockchain infrastructure, institutional capital, and real world financial use cases.

Shu's architecture is engineered for performance at scale and that matters as decentralized systems move from experimentation to enterprise grade deployment.

TE Group is building a position accordingly, not as a short-term trading vehicle, but as a long-term duration platform aligned with network growth, ecosystem expansion and institutional adoption. Our mandate is to translate technological advancement into per share value for public market investors.

With that, I'll pass it over to Stephen to walk you through our Fourth quarter operational updates.

Thank you, Marius, and good afternoon everyone.

Our capital allocation framework remains disciplined and straightforward. Increase Suri per share, activate the balance sheet responsibly, and preserve long-term flexibility.

At the protocol level, SUI continues to distinguish itself technically. It's object centric architecture and new programming language allow for parallel execution, low latency finality, and composable digital assets logic. That design enables scalable, stablecoins, high frequency on-chain trading, tokenized real world assets, and AI integrated applications, all within a single horizontally scalable layer one environment.

Performance characteristics matter when institutional capital enters an ecosystem. Throughput, deterministic execution, and low transaction costs are prerequisites for derivatives, lending markets, and structured products. That is where we see SUI positioned structurally well.

During the quarter, we continued scaling our treasury and staking substantially all of our holdings, generating approximately 1.7% annualized yield in SUI denominated rewards. Since the inception of our digital asset treasury strategy in July 2025, we have generated approximately 1.13 million SUI in total saving rewards and lending activities in the SUI ecosystem.

This income compounds the treasury over time and reinforces our long duration orientation.

Equally important was the execution of our authorized $50 million share repurchase program. In Q4, we repurchased approximately 7.8 million shares of our common stock at an average price of $2.02 per share.

These repurchases represented approximately 8.8% of Sueig's shares outstanding at the time of the implementation of the repurchases.

At the time of execution, our stock was trading at a meaningful discount to its underlying net asset value and Siri per share exposure.

Deploying capital into our own equity under those conditions was a high conviction allocation decision. It increased per share, improved per share exposure to stake and yield and ecosystem activation strategies, and reflected confidence in the intrinsic value of the platform.

Turning to ecosystem activation. Our Bluefin partnership provides more than yield enhancement. As Marius mentioned, Blueffin's Perpetual Futures platform has grown from roughly $1 billion in monthly volume to over $4 billion in monthly volume, with cumulative trading volume exceeding $80 billion and expanding lending markets. The protocol now integrates SOT, perEPs, lending, and vault infrastructure within a unified trading environment.

As derivatives and structured yield strategies expand on SUI, the presence of institutional grade liquidity venues becomes critical.

Our agreement to lend SUI into Bluefin and participate in revenue share aligns us directly with that growth factor. It also provides a return profile differentiated from passive staking.

On the stable coincide, the launch of Siri USDE and USDI marks an important evolution.

FEMA's USDE has scaled into one of the fastest growing dollar denominated digital assets in history. Bringing that infrastructure natively to SI expands the ecosystem's monetary base.

Our $10 million anchor deployment into the amber operated vault was designed to accelerate liquidity formation and institutional participation.

Stable coin velocity underpins the fibros.

By pairing treasure exposure with infrastructure participation, we create multiple pathways for value generation.

Token appreciation, stake and yield, protocol, revenue share, and liquidity provisioning.

As we move into the year ahead, our focus remains on A, scaling SUI per share through disciplined treasury growth, B, continuing to activate our treasury across staking, lending, derivatives, and stablecoin infrastructure.

C, maintaining opportunistic capital allocation, including share repurchases when appropriate, and D, operating with institutional grade transparency as the only publicly traded company with an official SiI Foundation relationship.

The digital asset market will continue to experience volatility. What endures is infrastructure quality, ecosystem adoption, and disciplined capital management. We are positioned at the intersection of all three.

I will now turn the call over to Douglas M. Polinsky, Citi Group's Chief Executive Officer, to provide an update on our specialty finance operations. Doug.

Thank you, Stephen, and thank you all for joining today's call.

For those who may be new to SUI Group, our company was originally built as a specialty finance platform under Mill City Ventures three. We provide short-term, secured, non-bank lending solutions to businesses and individuals seeking flexible capital for real estate, inventory, and other liquidity needs.

These loans are typically collateral backed and structured to generate income through both interest and origination fees.

That legacy lending business continues to perform well, and the platform remains profitable and cash generative. Importantly, it provides steady earnings and liquidity that help limit cash burn. It is a disciplined, risk managed operation that continues to add stability to the broader company. While we remain selective and opportunistic in specialty finance, our strategic center of gravity has shifted. Today our primary focus is building a differentiated institutionally aligned digital asset treasury platform anchored to the SUI blockchain, leveraging the strength of our legacy business to support that long-term evolution.

I'd now like to turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer Joseph A. Geraci to take you through our financial results. Joe

Thank you, Doug.

A quick reminder as we review our 4th quarter financial results, all comparisons and variance commentary refer to the prior year quarter unless otherwise specified. Due to our strategic shift on July 31st of 2025 from our specialty finance business toward blockchain native treasury management, our historical financial condition and results of operations for the period presented may not be comparable.

Gross revenue and portfolio income for the fourth quarter 2025 increased 179% to $2.4 million compared to approximately $869,000 in quarter Four of 2024. The increase was primarily driven by the generation of staking revenue and digital lending interest income from our SUI digital asset treasury strategy.

Our fourth quarter 2025 results include a @196.1 million dollars non-cash unrealized and realized loss related to mark to market accounting adjustments on our SUI and digital asset loan receivable holdings. Please note this is a US GAAP required treatment that reflects changes in estimated fair value and does not represent an actual outflow of cash or impact or liquidity.

As a result, total operating expenses, excluding net realized and unrealized gain on portfolio investments in quarter Four 2025, were $203 million compared to approximately $960,000 in quarter Four 2024.

Excluding the aforementioned unrealized and realized loss on digital assets and stock-based compensation, operating expenses for the fourth quarter 2025 were $4.8 million.

The net loss for the fourth quarter 2025 was $221.8 million or $5.52 per diluted share compared to net loss of approximately $91,000 or one penny per diluted share in quarter four 2024.

The decrease was primarily driven by the aforementioned non-cash unrealized loss on our SUI Holdings.

As of December 30th, 2025, cash and cash equivalents were $21.9 million compared to $6 million as of December 31, 2024.

As of December 30th, 2025 SUI Group held $105,86,451i with a net value of $147.4 million plus a digital asset loan receivable of $2,961,550I with a net value of $3.6 million.

This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open up for questions from those participating in the call.

Operator, back to you.

(Operator Instruction) Devin Ryan, Citizens Bank.

Hi guys, [Neil Elof] on here for Devin. My, first question is on [eugenic AI]. There's been a lot of news on the topic recently, so I'd love to get your guys' thoughts on its role in the blockchain ecosystem. And then if you could also talk a little bit about SI from an infrastructure point of view, we're thinking that, agentic AI can really lift trading volume in the coming years. So how is SUI kind of best positioned, from that point of view? Thanks.

Hi, thank you for the question. This is Stephen Mackintosh, CIO. I think in our view, agents will soon.

Likely be responsible for many of the transactions on the internet, and I think that the blockchain industry will play a critical role as we essentially transition from the mobile era to the cloud era and now to the AI era. I think that SI is best understood as a coordination layer for user intent. Those intents can be manifested in agents, taking actions. In commerce from the click of one button and essentially executing all of the necessary complex multi-step actions as a single indivisible atomic operation that exists on chain, and I think that we really are at the tipping point of an explosion of agentic commerce.

What's really unique about Sui's architecture is that it allows for like the coordination at scale of really high throughput transactions, specifically through the use of a very unique technology primitive that's on the SI blockchain called programmable transaction blocks, also known colloquially as PTBs. And a core feature of this architecture is that PTBs let developers or AI agents bundle up to thousands of kind of operations such as transfers, swaps, contract calls, mergers, splits of an asset, for example, into one single transaction. And because SI is.

One of the only blockchains in the industry that has an object centric data model. It allows for parallel execution of these bundles that can happen, really kind of an infinite scale, whereas other blockchains are kind of, restricted by sequential ordering and capacity limits for block sizes. PTBs allow, the SI blockchain to scale at really kind of low latency, high throughput, and also atomic transactions. So I think that it's going to be a really critical use case for the SI blockchain as we see, commerce running, on ergentic workflows that are really empowered by stablecoins and crypto wallets. In regard to the kind of the trading question, Sui recently shipped a big update for DeepBook, which is the central limit order book on Sui, and introduced margin trading, and I think that we really are, kind of walking into a new era of agentic yield generation. There's a company called Beak which was recently launched in the SI ecosystem. That is allowing for agentic yields to be realized on chain, and I believe there is a huge groundswell of developer activity to build new agentic businesses that will deliver either commerce workflows or yield workflows for users and developers.

Thanks. And then, my next question is kind of on prediction markets. As these contracts kind of begin to evolve into an asset cost of their own, what role do you guys thinki gets to play in this market?

Thanks. That's a very kind of topical question. I think predictions markets are, probably on track to reach something in the order of $1 trillion in annual volume by 2030. We've seen explosive growth just in 2026 alone with, I think averages around the $15billion to $20 billion mark in volume per month, with obviously high spikes of activity around kind of cultural events such as the Super Bowl or kind of elections. I think that right now we have two dominant players in the form of Calcium and poly Market, but the market is still really young and really exciting, and I believe that the SuI team and the Suvi community is really attracting a lot of talented developers who are looking at different types of predictions, markets. Kind of consumer propositions that could be regional, for example, they could be focused on emerging markets. So right now, like the predictions market space is definitely Western centric and you're very much kind of, focused on Western politics. And I think that you know there's a huge world out there, especially in kind of, the kind of the Asian communities that have very culturally and socially relevant kind of topics and ideas and sports that really do. Need a kind of, native predictions markets, and I think we at SI Group are constantly looking for talented teams and developers who want to capture part of that ever increasing t, and I think that, SE, because of all of the architecture, advantages that I mentioned before in the answer to the agentic commerce question, they can also be utilized to deliver elevated customer experiences in predictions markets.

Very interesting stuff.

Thank you guys for taking the questions.

(Operator Instruction) Brian Kinstlinger with Elias Global Partners.

Great, thanks so much. I just wanted to start with, you mentioned at the end of the year you had 21.9 million of cash. Can you just update us on cash today as well as do I have you at 81 million shares of buyback? Is that about roughly what you got?

Hey, Brian, Marius Barnett.

That's correct.

So we just over 80 million shares in total. That includes all the buybacks we did and we're sitting at, approximately 21 million. We generate, revenue income from the loan book. But then we also generate income from various institutional lends that we've done, including the bluefin lend.

So, that we forecast that cash number to continuously increase in the absence of doing any using that cash for any investments or transactions.

Great.

And maybe can you provide some color on the progress for the Google AP2 partnership related to development? And do you believe the new Agentic AI launches with Cloudbot and Mobot? Do you think we'll see an uptick in the development and adoption onsui fairly soon?

Just trying to understand how you see that playing out in timing.

Yeah, I think Stephen touched on it now just in terms of the the opportunity set here. We truly believe that payments for all of these bots and agents is meant to be built on blockchain. I think Patrick Collinson mentioned in his annual letter about how all of the payments of agents will be done on blockchain.

And we believe that that is the future here and that SuI is perfectly positioned for it in terms of gentech, the Google API to that continues to to be worked on between the teams, between SUI and Google and we believe that there's going to be many more integrations in the longer-term in this opportunity set.

Okay, and then you, Marius, you touched on the growth of bluefin.

Did that have an impact on the fourth quarter? Are you generating 5% of their revenue starting in November? And I guess what part of that 5,000 daily digital coins is related to that deal?

Yeah, so we currently on that deal, I think it's a great example of the type of business we're trying to build here where we actually offered to mediate, the BCs in the market here where Bluefin were looking to expand and grow their business and instead of selling equity in their business we came in and did an institutional lend on a risk adjusted basis where we get a piece of their fees at current debt that we get paid weekly in SUI. And currently that loan is yielding approximately 17% to 18% per annum.

Wow.

Great, I guess my last question and I'll get back in the queue with maybe a few others is.

Mm With the decline in cryptocurrency in general, can you speak to demand for similar such business development efforts? Is it mainly with Bluefin? Is there, are there other opportunities and other entities that are looking for similar type deals or bootstrapped?

Definitely.

I mean, we actively in the market looking at these transactions. I think the key for us is risk and how we look at risk and risk on a on a risk adjusted basis. We certainly don't want to be waking up in the morning and making an announcement that, one of these lens has gone wrong. So what we're looking at is how we manage the risk in these lens and make sure that we're getting the right return profile for it. I think we're looking at multiple different lens in this last quarter, although it hasn't had an impact yet but will in the long-term is that we've been doing various other institutional lends to market makers and institutional participants of SUI where we get parent guarantees, and you know our long-term target here over the next 12months to 18 months is to be yielding close to 10% on SUI.

Great. That's helpful. Thanks so much.

(Operator Instruction) Gareth Gacetta, Cantor Fitzgerald.

Hi guys, I was hoping you could kind of double click on that last question and sort of the yield generating opportunities you're looking at outside of traditional staking. So, kind of getting to that 10% yield as a baseline is kind of a good metric, but I'm wondering if you can talk about. How you're thinking about deploying your treasury balance, whether that be a percentage into staking, a percentage into these [Dfi] opportunities, or a percentage into lending or something else, how you kind of think about deploying the treasury into these different areas of yield generating opportunities with respect to that risk like You spoke about.

Yeah, it's a great question. So I think from a from a target perspective, as I said, risk is the key thing first and foremost. So every single opportunity that comes along, we look at the risk and then we work with Galaxy, the asset manager of the 3G to analyze that risk, whether it's in the Defi ecosystems or in the general institutional markets. Another lend that you would have seen that we did is we were very proud to launch the Sui USB stablecoin together with Athena. We minted $10 million of that stablecoin. We put it in a vault in on Emer which is built by Bluefin so that enhances the Bluefin ecosystem, but then we also are putting that into the Defi ecosystems and on that lend, currently we're yielding close to 10% on that $10 million of stablecoins that we've that we have minted. So every single transaction we do, we're looking at a balance of institutional lending.

And defy ecosystem lending. I think the key here is that we get all the right mechanisms in place to monitor these pools and ensure that the risk of it is low versus and make sure that we get that right return in the right coordination. I don't think that right now to be going and doing anything wild in the Defi ecosystems makes sense from a risk adjusted basis and we don't see ourselves that in that way. So that's why we've done institutional. To market makers or institutions where you know one of the lends we did was $5 million at 7.5% interest rate but we got a parent guarantee and we let them go into the deepfi ecosystems and take more risk. So every single transaction we do, we're looking at it on a risk adjusted basis.

Great, that's very helpful.

Thank you. And then I just wanted to touch on, some news outlets have been reporting that Meta is working with a third-party to look into stablecoin-based payments. So given that the team at Mton was originally a part of the team working on Meta's Libra stablecoin in 2019. Could you maybe just provide some color for the people on the call about why that project was ultimately spun out of Meta and then also why a blockchain like SI might be the best choice for a large institution like Meta looking to integrate blockchain into their systems.

So, Stephen do you want to answer that?

Yeah, sure.

So I think you know the the founding story ofI is one of the most, interesting, kind of footnotes in crypto's, history, so far, right? Had, the Facebook Libra and DM projects been allowed to succeed, and the reason they weren't is because of a previously unfavorable administration and regulatory environment. That's the reason why that didn't happen.

Had they allowed to succeed, in a counterfactual view of the world, I do think that their, that business, Libra and DM, the Stablecoin Initiative, could have been the biggest businesses in crypto. They could have been bigger than Coinbase. They could have been bigger than.

Than Tether potentially because of the distribution that came with Facebook at the time. At the time, the Sui team were building, Libra and DM. It was designed for a network of 3 billion users, and when the research team which was headed by [Evan Cheng], the CEO of SUI.

They looked at the kind of state of the tooling in the market and they realized that it was not fit for purpose for the scale they needed to operate at. So what that caused them to do was to actually evaluate all of the programming languages, the kind of implementation of Salon as Ross library, the, use of the Ethereum stack and the EDM. Look at different kinds of languages that have been used in different kinds of developments cultures such as C++, etc. And they found it was not right for moving money on the internet. That's what allowed the CTO of Nifin and SuI, SAM Blackshear, to actually invent the Move programming language, which is a purpose-built programming language for blockchain that is designed in an object centric.

Architecture which allows for really limitless scalability. It allows for parallel transaction processing, not sequential, that you see in an account-based model which is on Ethereum and Solana, but to have this kind of limitless, low latency, high throughput scale. In regard to, the news, yeah, I believe that, Mehta has been engaging in different RFPs with different blockchain companies. It's unclear yet, who will be part of that, but what I would say is that, the future of agentic commerce.

Is going to be one that is based around universal interoperability. These agents will be taking economic actions empowered by stablecoins in an interoperable internet, and I think that the scale of commerce could really increase tenfold when you have a genetic workflows running. And I think because of that complexity of transaction state, that really kind of order of magnitude increase. In the amount of transactions and micro transactions taking place on the internet, it's only an architecture like SI that can handle that, and I think, we're going to see more agentic frameworks being penciled not just by Google's AP 2. I think Stripe has just announced an agentic framework. We've got X402, and I think many more will come. And so what I would say is that it's going to be about interoperability and it's going to be about low latency and scalability, and that's what putsI at the heart, I think, of this agentic commerce revolution.

Awesome, that's really exciting.

Thank you guys.

(Operator Instruction).