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  • Operator

  • Good morning. Thank you for joining us for Stereotaxis' Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 Earnings Conference Call. Certain statements during the conference call and Question-and-Answer Session period to follow may relate to future events, expectations and, as such, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

  • Such statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, which may cause the actual results, performance or achievements of the company in the future to be materially different from the statements that the company's executives may make today. These risks are described in detail in our public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest periodic report on Form 10-K or 10-Q. We assume no duty to update these statements.

  • (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, today's call is being recorded.

  • It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, David Fischel, Chairman and CEO of Stereotaxis.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. I'm joined today by Kim Peery, our Chief Financial Officer. Our prepared remarks today will be a bit longer than normal as I use the occasion of our annual call to provide a broader overview of Stereotaxis and our vision. I will then review our progress in 2021 and our key goals and expectations for the year.

  • Stereotaxis is the pioneer and leader of robotics for endovascular surgery. We have developed a highly innovative suite of technologies that address the inherent limitations, risks and challenges posed by manual hand health catheters. Our mission is to make minimally-invasive endovascular surgery more broadly available to improve its safety and outcomes and to modernize it with the benefits of digitization and robotics.

  • Endovascular surgery is a broad and growing field of medicine where small interventional devices are navigated through a patient's vascular system. Endovascular procedures positively impact millions of patients annually, but the mechanism of action of manual handheld catheters has fundamental flaws.

  • During a procedure, therapy takes place at the catheter pit, but a manual catheter is held and manipulated several feet away at the handle like holding a pencil from its eraser. It's not precise, not stable and there's a limited reach. The manual catheters need to be rigid to allow for any control of the tip, increasing the risk of patient injury. Procedures are complex and operator-dependent and visualization of the catheter exposes patients and physicians to X-ray radiation.

  • Stereotaxis' robotic technology addresses the inherent limitations, risks and challenges of traditional endovascular surgery by allowing for direct control of a catheter tip using precise computer-controlled magnetic fields. This allows from precedented precision instability enables reaching areas previously unreachable and enhances patient and physician safety.

  • Physicians upgrade our robot from a computer cockpit, seated and protected from radiation with full control over the procedure and with an ability to focus on the cognitive aspects of their profession. These benefits are not theoretical as hundreds of physicians at over 100 leading hospitals have treated over 100,000 patients with our technology and there are over 400 scientific publications documenting our clinical value.

  • A highly differentiated platform technology that confers meaningful clinical value in a large field of medicine serves as the perfect foundation on which to build a preeminent medical robotics company. To realize our great potential to positively transform into vascular surgery, we've spent the last years putting in place the necessary foundations, financial, commercial and technological for a healthy company with substantial long-term growth.

  • The first necessary foundation was financial stability and strength. We start 2022 with $40 million in cash, no debt and with a business that can make significant investments in key value drivers, while still maintaining financial discipline and operating near breakeven. In 2021, we invested 30% of our revenue in R&D, a level that dwarfs the typical medical device company and allows for a robust innovation pipeline.

  • We built and moved into a new headquarters and manufacturing facility that will serve as the foundation for many years of growth. We invested in improved IT infrastructure, and we are methodically growing and enhancing our team with key hiring across the organization. With all those investments, we maintained cash utilization of approximately $1 million a quarter, a level that we are very comfortable with, given our balance sheet and that importantly conveys long-term stability and reliability to our customers and partners.

  • The second necessary foundation was implementing the right commercial infrastructure and processes that support adoption of our technology and allow existing customers to showcase their leadership. While we still have substantial work to do here, key cornerstones of those foundations have been established.

  • Our Robotic EP Fellows Program graduated 23 physicians globally last year. These fellows represent the future of EP and enter the community confident in our technology and its value. We recently expanded the robotic EP fellowship program with a light version designed for existing EPs that want an introduction to robotics. Much of this training has been possible through realistic training simulators. We just launched our latest generation simulator, which has enhanced realism, gamification features and is available online.

  • We continue to support a community of engaged EPs that are advancing clinical knowledge in the field. The Society for Cardiac Robotic Navigation has grown as an independent society with an engaging conference in November. Physicians using our technology published 22 peer-reviewed publications last year, including highly positive ones showing superior clinical outcomes for robotics in the treatment of pediatric patients and an 82% reduction in the rate of silent strokes during AF ablation.

  • Clinical support of procedures remains highly important in EP, and we pride ourselves on building a skilled and impactful commercial team. This team works in an integrated fashion, leveraging proprietary connectivity technology to provide a network of in-person and telerobotic technical and clinical support, a model for the future of procedural support throughout healthcare. We look forward to building this team substantially in tandem with the introduction of new disposable products that drive higher utilization and revenue per procedure.

  • In 2021, Stereotaxis demonstrated it could meaningfully restart capital sales. After many years of minimal activity, we sold 7 systems during this year. The restart of system sales played out globally with 3 of these in the U.S., 2 in Europe and 2 in China. 5 of these systems were to hospitals establishing entirely new robotic practices. We've been pleased with how reliable and well our latest robot genesis is performing in daily real-world use with the utilization at Genesis accounts and with the positive feedback from users.

  • Since FDA approval of Genesis exactly 2 years ago, we've received orders for 13 robotic systems in total, the majority from new greenfield customers. This rebuilding of a capital sales capability has taken place despite the backdrop of a challenging macro environment. 4 of these orders received in the latter month of 2021 and start of 2022 will contribute to our capital revenue this year. The makeup of these orders, both geographic and customer mix is fairly similar to last year, with 2 from the U.S., from Europe and 1 from China, half our greenfield and half our replacement projects.

  • On our last call, we expected several near-term replacement system orders. There were 4 specifically that seemed very close to completion and that should have been received by now. In each of these cases, clinical support remains high and the hospital will need to initiate a replacement project in the near term. We are still working towards the orders and believe they should be received soon.

  • The delays highlight the challenge of scaling a capital business depending on construction project time lines, particularly with the disruption of COVID and with construction hampered due to supply chain and labor issues. We have a pipeline of over a couple dozen high likelihood capital projects globally, reflecting a good mix of both greenfield and replacement projects.

  • We still expect a similar amount of capital revenue from greenfield accounts this year as received last year, which was 5 systems. We had previously expected a normalized level of replacement cycle capital in 2022, which given our installed base should be in the high single-digit number of systems a year. While the replacement cycle opportunity is essentially a guaranteed revenue stream, it has remained muted as hospitals continue to extend the life of labs. We expect 2022 to have more replacement activity than the 2 systems recognized last year, but likely still below our normalized levels.

  • Our launch of Genesis was an initial demonstration of how meaningful innovation can drive revenue growth. We continue to expect Genesis to contribute to growth this year and in the future, but it was really the first stepping stone in our effort to build a product ecosystem that allows for widespread adoption of robotics as a platform technology across endovascular surgery.

  • At our recent Innovation Day, we outlined a pipeline of technologies that are in the latter stages of development. These are the technological foundations necessary to fulfill our potential and they serve as multiple independent drivers of growth in the coming years. Specifically, we view our key growth drivers as, first, a mobile robotic magnetic navigation system that enables broad accessibility of robotics; second, our own independent ablation catheter portfolio for the EP market; third, a family of guidewires and catheters that expand the benefits of our robots into new endovascular indications; fourth, a separate China-specific EP product ecosystem we are developing in collaboration with MicroPort EP; and fifth, a digital platform for broad operating room connectivity.

  • Each of these opportunities by themselves can serve as substantial growth drivers that dwarf our existing business. They have value being advanced independently but are also synergistic and complement each other. Collectively, they service the foundational product ecosystem as we look to transform endovascular surgery with robotics.

  • The first technology, a smaller self-shielding mobile robot frees us from the extensive architectural planning and construction currently necessary to adopt our technology. It makes our robotic technology more accessible to many physicians and customers that have wanted to adopt or try it, but were unable to navigate the logistic and economic hurdles.

  • We are aggressively advancing through mechanical, electrical and software development and our R&D team benefits from its recent success with the Genesis system. We have working prototypes and near final designs of most aspects of the robot and have made this progress despite myriad supply chain delays.

  • We expect to complete development in the second half of this year from testing and [felt for] regulatory approvals in the U.S. and Europe at year-end and to start limited commercialization in both geographies next year. While Stereotaxis can grow sales without the system, our mobile system is designed for manufacturing and deployment at scale so that we have line of sight to selling over 100 systems a year.

  • The second technology, a portfolio of ablation catheters for the cardiac ablation market is important in that it significantly improves upon the aging catheter technology our current users are limited to and that it provides for a stronger strategic and financial foundation for us in electrophysiology.

  • MAGIC, a robotically navigated RF ablation catheter is the first catheter in this portfolio, and we've methodically advanced MAGIC towards CE Mark and IDE trial commissions. Our partner, Osypka, faced multiple labor and material delays and just completed the manufacturing of hundreds of catheters necessary for regulatory testing.

  • We are in the midst of formal testing and regulatory documentation of these catheters, but given the manufacturing delays and specific tests with longer lead times, we now estimate a CE Mark submission in summer and an IDE submission shortly thereafter. We remain highly pleased with the feedback positions to provide on MAGIC and in its clinical, commercial and strategic impact.

  • Our regulatory submission in Europe will benefit from the experience Osypka recently had, bringing several of its own catheters through the new MDR regulations. Separately and importantly, we also are continuing to advance the pipeline of robotically navigated EP catheters that follow MAGIC, including a pulse field ablation solution and a single-shot cryoablation catheter.

  • The third technology, a family of interventional guidewires and guide catheters will allow our robot to be leveraged into several additional clinical indications where endovascular navigation can be challenging. We mentioned 5 specific indications of focus: new interventions, coronary angioplasty, peripheral intervention, tumor embolization and AAA grafts.

  • The first guidewires in this family have begun manufacturing to formal regulatory testing, and we expect to file regulatory submissions in Europe and the U.S. in summer, aligned for approvals late in the year. A family of similar guidewires and the larger guidance catheters will follow next year.

  • We've started sharing this strategy with a select group of physicians that we believe will be early adopters of the technology across clinical specialties, both within existing hospitals that have a robot and in new potential hospitals and are very pleased with the many scenarios where they view distal tip control of a wire as very helpful in reducing procedure time and challenge. The launch of these devices will demonstrate the power of our robot as a full platform across endovascular surgery.

  • Fourth, in China specifically, we have a collaboration with MicroPort EP to develop and commercialize a product ecosystem for cardiac ablation as it's independent of the ecosystem we're building in the U.S. and Europe. MicroPort has been advancing regulatory work for Genesis and subsequently the mobile robot is developing compatible ablation catheters and is integrating its mapping system with our robots. The development of this ecosystem will allow us to benefit from MicroPort's substantial commercial team in China.

  • And fifth, we have always viewed connectivity as a core value proposition for our robotic technology and are leveraging our historical experience to build a modern platform for collaboration and remote support of operating rooms. This enhances our robots and as independent value as a solution across operating rooms.

  • Collectively, these technologies serve as the foundational product ecosystem for a preeminent medical robotics company with the ability to transform endovascular interventions. They allow for significant growth in electrophysiology and the broader field of endovascular surgery in the coming years.

  • Kim will now provide some commentary on our financial results, and then I will make a few financial comments as well before opening the call to Q&A.

  • Kimberly R. Peery - CFO & Secretary

  • Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. Revenue for the fourth quarter of 2021 totaled $8.2 million, a 21% increase from the prior year fourth quarter. Recurring revenue for the quarter was $5.7 million and system revenue was $2.3 million. Revenue for the full year 2021 totaled $35 million, growth of 32% from $26.6 million in 2020. Recurring revenue of $22.9 million for the full year 2021, increased 4% from the prior year, reflecting a partial recovery in procedure volumes from the depths of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020. System revenue of $11.2 million for the full year 2021 increased from $3.6 million in the prior year, reflecting increasing adoption of our Genesis RMN system.

  • Gross margin for the fourth quarter and full year of 2021 were 72% and 66% of revenue. For the full year 2021, we reported gross margins of 86% on recurring revenue and 33% for system revenue. These margins are consistent with our previous commentary and expect it to remain stable with margin expansion and system revenue driven by scale.

  • Operating expenses in the fourth quarter were $9.3 million, including $2.6 million in non-cash stock compensation expense. Excluding stock compensation expense, adjusted operating expenses in the current quarter were $6.7 million compared to the prior year adjusted operating expenses of $5.7 million. Adjusted operating expenses for the full year 2021 were $26.9 million, up approximately 20% from $22.6 million in the prior year, with the increase driven predominantly by R&D project spending and measured hiring across key areas of the company.

  • Operating loss and net loss for the fourth quarter of 2021 were both $3.4 million compared to $1.2 million for both in the previous year. Adjusted operating loss and adjusted net loss for the quarter, excluding non-cash stock compensation expense, were $0.8 million compared to $0.4 million for both in the previous year. For the full year 2021, adjusted operating loss was $3.6 million and adjusted net loss was $1.4 million compared to 3.6 and $3.5 million in the prior year period. Net loss in the current year includes a favorable $2.2 million adjustment for the forgiveness of the paycheck protection loan.

  • Negative free cash flow for the full year 2021 was $4.3 million compared to $3.6 million for the full year 2020. Excluding significant investments in our new headquarters and manufacturing facility, negative free cash flow for the full year 2021 would have been $1.8 million. At December 31, we had cash and cash equivalents of $40.1 million and no debt.

  • I will now hand the call back to David.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Thank you, Kim. As we look out on 2022, we anticipate revenue growth for the year, driven by continued commercial adoption of the Genesis RMN system and stable recurring revenue. Based on current customer schedules, the majority of system revenue for the year will be recognized in the second half of the year. As mentioned previously in my prepared remarks, we anticipate a similar level of greenfield capital sales as of last year and some growth in replacement capital, but still below a normalized level.

  • We continue to invest in the team, infrastructure and projects that are critical for success and expect modest growth in operating expenses. We are proud that we can do this while maintaining financial discipline. Our robust balance sheet allows us to reach profitability without the need for additional financings. We will now take your questions. Operator, can you please open the line to Q&A?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question will come from Alex Nowak with Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • It sounds like you're pretty confident Genesis here could have at least 6 installs in 2022, if I'm adding this up correctly. So 4 orders that you talked about that at least

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  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Hi, Alex. I think we lost you for a moment.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) We'll go to Adam Maeder with Piper Sandler.

  • Adam Carl Maeder - VP & Senior Research Analyst

  • Congrats on the progress last year. I wanted to start with system outlook for 2022. I think you had previously talked about the expectation of a doubling of system revenue in '22 relative to '21. It sounds like that's no longer the expectation given what sounds like there are some headwinds on the replacement front. So can you talk maybe a little bit about some of the developments in past months that have kind of colored that new viewpoint? Are you getting any feedback from customers that they're interested, but potentially waiting on the next-gen mobile system in '23? Or is this really just kind of a function of COVID-19, Omicron and kind of the ripple-through effects? Just any more color there would be helpful. And then I had a follow-up or 2.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure, Adam. So I think we've managed the introduction of new technology in our pipeline well, and I don't see that as having a material impact. As we described in the call, there are -- we have a relatively nice pipeline of customers that are interested. Generally, I was out in the field visiting customers also this week. Generally, when we're out, we can send positivity that is growing on our technology and on our innovation pipeline as a whole. And so, generally, it feels good.

  • What's challenging is that, we have -- it's very difficult to time when exactly orders get received and when hospital construction advances. And so we have had -- I mentioned on the call that in November, when we had our last earnings call, there were 4 replacement cycle orders that were seemingly imminent and that should have been received, and of -- those 4 have still not been received. They remain seemingly imminent.

  • And then -- and one of the primary drivers of the delays in each of those has been their own construction schedules and their own challenges with labor shortages or material shortages, getting construction projects moving. And so there are macro headwinds that add to that. I think it highlights the value of some of the innovations that we're doing, particularly the increased accessibility of robotics in the future. But it's -- those are some of the challenges that we face.

  • Our guidance, as we put it now, I think it's prudent given the fact that we, at this point in the year, have 4 systems that will -- that are kind of for revenue this year, I think it's prudent to give a guidance like we did, which is more or less similar infield numbers and more replacement than last year, but not yet at a standardized replacement cycle level. And so that felt like the prudent thing to do given where we stand today.

  • I can be surprised in a month from now, and all 4 of those go through or there's obviously others in the pipeline, but those are the most -- those should be the most easiest to bag and we'll have to see how those go.

  • Adam Carl Maeder - VP & Senior Research Analyst

  • Got it. That's really helpful color. I appreciate all that, David. And then maybe I'll ask about the disposable side of the business. I think I'm not sure it was addressed on the call, but I think I saw in the press release, you're assuming more or less kind of a stable business in '22 relative to '21. So did I interpret that correctly, we should kind of think of disposable revenue kind of being similar to 2021 levels? Or should we expect potentially some increase over last year? And then maybe just talk about kind of your expectations and what that implies from a system utilization standpoint.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. So I think the way that you read the press release is correct. And I think we -- if you think about the primary drivers of recurring revenue will be increases in procedure, which right now, which right now are driven predominantly by macro factors. And while there is some improvement in the COVID situation, in reality, we are -- it is still overall kind of a fairly similar environment for the last year or so. And so -- and we don't necessarily know when COVID impacts will be completely gone at hospitals. And so I think that, that kind of feels prudent.

  • And then obviously, the second much more substantial impact will be the introduction of new disposable devices. Given the time line, we're not guiding for any material revenue this year that we hope that we can start to -- those can start to contribute to revenue late in the year.

  • And when we think about kind of the other driver of utilization overall is the launch of new greenfield robotic practices. And overall, we've actually been very happy with the utilization and launch of greenfield practices. And -- but given that there's no service revenue for the first year, they're under warranty. And given the natural ramp-up in utilization that takes place as you train new physicians as you get a new -- completely new site up and running, those are relatively more minor contributors to recurring revenue, and you have the counteracting force that replacement cycle projects, you lose service revenue for that first year during the warranty period. And so given all of those dynamics, I think a relatively stable recurring revenue seems like the reasonable estimate for this year.

  • Operator

  • We'll return to Alex Nowak with Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • All right. Excellent. Not sure what happened there. It sounds like the question I had was asked. I'm going to move over to kind of the prospective centers here. When you're speaking to them and sharing some of the interventional tools that you shared during the Innovation Day and the pipeline, what kind of has been their feedback? I guess, how critical is it knowing that Stereotaxis is going to have additional capabilities beyond RF for those centers to be willing to go ahead and buy a Stereotaxis robot?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • It's hard to answer that too clearly now. And we have talked with several of our electrophysiology customers at first about tools like the guidewires and guide catheters and there are actual some procedures in electrophysiology where there seems to be value. And through them, we've also been introduced or and have had some discussions with interventional cardiologists with -- and with other physicians kind of at their hospitals that operate. And then obviously, independent of that, there were some physicians that have been helping us in neurosurgery and in other fields.

  • And I can't say that for the specific greenfield accounts that we have -- that have been on our kind of -- on our pipeline -- high on our pipeline list that suddenly the demonstration of these has changed the dynamic and they're suddenly accelerating versus what they were doing before. What I'd say is that it adds to the positivity of those discussions, particularly with administrators who kind of can start to see potential for broader use of the robot. And I think that as we also launch the devices and there starts to be a real clinical use and demonstration of utility in other clinical indications, I think that, that will be even a much stronger kind of weight on the positive side of those discussions.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. No, that makes sense. And then in the interventional tools beyond EP or I guess beyond your own MAGIC catheter and some of the additional pipeline items here, you mentioned the regulatory submission time lines, but are there any other milestones that we should be tracking around manufacturing, technical feasibility that we should be watching for throughout this year? Just to confirm that we've got a working product here in these new categories.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. It really will be the submissions because -- I mean, we have a product that has gone through many animal studies, a lot of testing, demos with many physicians. And so I think I'm fairly, fairly very confident that we have a working product. There is an extensive amount of documentation that is required for the submissions and formalized testing for that documentation. There was obviously the ramp-up in manufacturing, which for disposable devices is much more stringent in its quality controls and in the requirement that from day 1 for those manufactured units, you have no flaws whatsoever in the manufacturing. And so those things obviously are kind of all necessary for prior to submission, I think kind of the main milestone that will be visible externally is when we actually submit for CE Mark and IDEs or for the guidewires for CE Mark and the 510(k).

  • Operator

  • And next, we'll go to Jason Wittes with Loop Capital.

  • Jason Hart Wittes - MD

  • Maybe just some follow-ups here. You mentioned 4 systems were imminent, and it looks as if they're just to be determined at this point. So I suppose some of that might have been built into your expectations for 2022. And then the second question related to that is when you get that type of order, which I assume is a replacement, how quickly does it normally get into the ground? Is there still sort of a 6 to 9 month delay? Or can those go in relatively quickly?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure. So yes, those -- when we think about the guidance of a doubling of system revenue, it was predicated on more or less at similar levels of greenfield and the return of replacement cycle to the high single-digit number of systems that would lead to a doubling of system revenue. If we would have come out today with entering the year with 2 greenfield orders and replacement cycle orders, I think it would have been obvious to the one that doubling of revenue was very, very much likely in the cards. And so we'll have to see how those play out.

  • Like I mentioned in the prepared remarks, these are -- the replacement cycle projects are essentially almost can be considered (inaudible) in terms of their ultimate contribution to revenue, but they are dependent on when the hospital actually decides that it's changing its x-ray and the construction time line of the hospital for those types of refurbishments of labs. And that is something that is kind of really outside of our control for the most part. And so that's kind of the dynamic there.

  • In terms of when that order goes into revenue, it really depends on the site itself and how they advance the construction and when they want to accept delivery of the robot. And so I would say that at the lowest end, you're talking about 3 months usually, 2 to 3 months and at the highest end, for the replacement cycles, probably 9 months is -- would be a relatively longer time. And so probably 6 months is a good reasonable estimate for most of those.

  • Jason Hart Wittes - MD

  • Okay. And that's very helpful. And I agree that those -- I think you're roughly 100 systems out there that are likely to be replaced. But I would -- in terms of what's holding them up, I think you alluded to some of it. I suppose it's COVID and staffing are kind of the main themes. Is that your take in terms of what's going on, especially in the replacement market?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • I'd say it's actually less COVID and staffing of labs and more the challenges that some hospitals are having when working with contractors and architects finalized construction plans. And so I think that there's a general challenge in the construction world, and that leads to projects oftentimes being delayed. And oftentimes, when hospitals are doing the construction and, let's say, we are lab 4 in the interventional suite, and they usually have kind of a relatively continuous plan where they're doing lab 2, and then we're supposed to be slotted after that. And so as lab 2's construction finalization is delayed, then lab 4's is delayed and they just kind of [vet] there's that trickle effect, which I think, as generally there is delays in construction that does impact the timing of hospitals.

  • Jason Hart Wittes - MD

  • That's very helpful as well. One related follow-up then is just the mobile system, I assume it doesn't really have that bottleneck to deal with the way it's designed. Is that a correct assumption?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • For the most part, that will make it a much simpler process therapy, yes.

  • Operator

  • And next, we'll go to Josh Jennings with Cowen.

  • Joshua Thomas Jennings - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • David, I was hoping to just understand better the 4 orders that are in backlog currently and just the expectation for those placements and beginning of revenue recognition. I think you talked about majority of system revenue coming in the back half. And does that include a couple of these 4 orders that are in current backlog? Or could they be installed in the first half of the year?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. So of those 4 orders, [I get it] that the majority will -- at least half of them will turn into revenue in the second half of the year just based on when specifically the hospitals want those delivered. And so that's the dynamic of the 4 that we are kind of assured of.

  • Joshua Thomas Jennings - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Great. Great. Sorry, I just -- I think you've probably laid that out. I just didn't digest it appropriately. And then I also wanted to just ask about China and you have 1 China order in backlog. I think that would bring you to 8 systems in China. Was that order generated through the collaboration with MicroPort? And maybe just give us a status of MicroPort selling efforts. I mean our understanding is that as you build out this ecosystem, you're expecting an inflection in '23 and 2024 with that collaboration. I was just wanted to get an update on what MicroPort's doing this year in terms of marketing Niobe, and then also when Genesis could get approved in China?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure. Thanks, Josh. So yes, all commercialization now does happen in collaboration with our direct team in China and that has existed from before and the MicroPort commercial team. And what kind of is important in terms of building of a product ecosystem is most of the collaboration with MicroPort EP is still on the development of the ecosystem, both the technical and the regulatory work for that.

  • We have some commercial engagement, particularly from a leadership to leadership perspective. But in order for MicroPort to be able to go out to its entire commercial team and to start putting in place the types of expectations on each commercial individual on their team for adoption of robotics in their territories, you really need to have the product ecosystem. And so there is commercial engagement that can take place, obviously, prior to that, primarily between kind of the leadership of both teams, there is collaboration across the board, but really that ecosystem with mapping integration, with catheters, with regulatory approval of Genesis is the foundation that we are working towards, so that we can really take advantage of the broad commercial organization.

  • Joshua Thomas Jennings - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Great. And maybe just to throw 1 last one in, sorry. Just thinking about collaborations and strategic partnerships, you announced 1 last year with MicroPort, and could there be other strategic distribution partnerships in the future for strategic development collaborations with other companies. That's my last one.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure, Josh. So I would say, geographically, we are focused on the core markets of the U.S. and Europe. And we viewed the collaboration with MicroPort as a very opportunistic way to take advantage of the significant interest we were seeing from clinicians in China and from the strategic interest we were seeing in China. And obviously, there's an opportunity there that is substantial, very substantial. And so that made a lot of sense.

  • We are not going out of our way to try to broadly geographically diversify because I think it's far more valuable and impactful to demonstrate that we can become a significant market share player in EP, in new clinical applications in Europe and the U.S. And so that's really our primary drive. And I think that, that's where most of the value creation will be made apart from obviously this independent effort in China.

  • If we think about collaborations generally in -- both in electrophysiology and new clinical applications, I'd say that there is continuous dialog with various companies in the field. We have plotted path towards multiple significant revenue drivers that is independent of any collaborations. And I think that, that is a healthy way to advance the business. And I think that it is a very viable path and a very attractive path. But obviously, you want to build robust ecosystems around robotics. I think there's significant value to robotics in many of these clinical applications. And so if the right types of collaborations emerge, that is something that sometimes is discussed. And so that type of natural dialog that takes place over the course of business.

  • Operator

  • And next, we'll go to Frank Takkinen with Lake Street Capital Markets.

  • Frank James Takkinen - Senior Research Analyst

  • I wanted to start with procedural volumes, if you have any data around that. Can you share anything related to what procedures look like in December, January and February. And if you don't have hard data, maybe talk directionally to how that trend has been looking?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. So generally, the COVID impact that started in the, let's say, late summer, fall of last year got a little bit better, then got a little bit worse at the very end of the year. And generally, January was tough like December, and then we see some improvements since then. And it seems like we're obviously just at the very beginning of March, but it seems like March should be the best month of the first quarter, kind of that's what when we look at schedules that we get from physicians and general that type of activity, it seems like there's some more returning to normal. It's obviously very spotty where you have some hospitals that have had no impact, and you see other where there have been marked impact in December, January period.

  • But -- so generally, it seems like it's getting better. I'd say that most of, again, these motions, if we look at a return to pre-COVID utilization, that is where -- we don't know how to guide towards that. And so we are assuming a relatively stable levels with probably some variation given the macro environment, but relatively stable as it has been over the last year, 1.5 years.

  • Frank James Takkinen - Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. Got it. And then thinking about the supply chain, given there's an extensive sourcing process to the components needed to manufacture the Genesis system, any disturbances in the supply chain that you're seeing yet?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Constant disturbances in supply chain. Overall, we've been able to manage them in a way where we haven't had any material impact to production for revenue. And though it's always a challenge, and we are -- there's a constant grind to ensure that, that doesn't have a negative impact on the development side, there's constantly been delays when you're waiting for components to come in and you're sourcing new components that you want to test out for development projects, both on the disposables and on the mobile system. So there is that general macro challenge out there.

  • We do spend more money and sometimes take more risks, sometimes spend more money just to reduce those types of risks of supply chain. But that's a constant grind. And overall, I think that we've managed that side well. So we haven't seen kind of material impact there other than generally development goes slower because of it, but that's kind of been the dynamic there.

  • Frank James Takkinen - Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. And then last one for me. I wanted to specifically ask about the leasing model. If I remember correctly, the mobile system will be able to leverage the leasing system, but I don't think that the Genesis right now is doing that. One, is there any chance or opportunity to start offering a leasing model with the Genesis? And is this something you're hearing a request from your customers?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. I think that alternative financial models for adopting large capital equipment is something that would be attractive to customers. And we do hear it. It does seem to be something that has become very common with other robotic systems out there, whether it's leasing type models or disposable commitment type models. And so I think there is a lot of value to that.

  • There is a challenge in offering that type of model with a system that is in some ways, a permanent installation that cannot be removed easily because you have limited recourse if things don't advance as kind of as predicated. It's much easier with the mobile system because if the hospital decides, it doesn't want to continue the lease or it can kind of be reversed the capital that's placed or can be reversed very quickly without any impact of the hospital. And so it really is not a very relevant model for a capital system that is a permanent installation.

  • In terms of financing of systems that can be done, obviously, also with a permanent system. But that doesn't seem to be really something that hospitals need from us because hospitals usually have access to their own capital locked into their own kind of financial kind of lines and usually they have it at better rates than we could ever offer. And so that's not kind of the option. I think it's really the question of having the flexibility to say that we don't want to make a 10-year commitment. We want to try something for a couple of years and then decide, and that's something that's very difficult to do with a permanent install.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Next, we'll move on to Javier Fonseca with Spartan Capital.

  • Javier Rodrigo Fonseca-Paricio - Research Analyst

  • In regards to R&D, can management provide any additional guidance on the key pipeline products showcased during Investor Day in late 2021 and specifically the impact on R&D going forward for 2022? And what should investors expect in R&D relative to revenue and/or just operating costs in general?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure, Javier. So as mentioned in the prepared remarks, we do expect a continuous gradual increase in R&D expenses as we advance these innovations, we're advancing multiple projects that are each substantial projects in terms of both their investment and their impact. I view those gradual increase in operating expenses as something that is still very much sustainable with maintaining a proven financial profile as a company. And so we do it within our means in a nice fashion.

  • In terms of the commercial impact, I laid out and also in our investor presentation, we've laid out how we view these innovations and their impact on overall growth and the view that there are really 5 independent drivers of growth through these innovations. Obviously discussed it much more during this call. But I think that if you look at a future, which is in a not-so-distant future over the course of this year and kind of with initial commercialization of all these technologies, either this year or next year, there will be a relatively near-term future of highly accessible robots that can navigate both a family of EP interventional devices that are proprietary to us as well as new interventional devices that impact new indications in endovascular surgery.

  • We have geographic expansion beyond the U.S. and Europe also into China with a very capable partner, and we have this kind of completely side effort that is both synergistic with our robot offering, but is a real independent growth driver in an operating room connectivity solution, which I think those are the 5 things that are on our mind as the substantial revenue drivers for the next few years.

  • Javier Rodrigo Fonseca-Paricio - Research Analyst

  • Okay. And a quick follow-up as far as more in the near term for, again, on R&D, is there any sort of quantifiable guidance you could provide? Or is there still a lot of factors to consider before throwing that out to investors?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • In terms of operating expenses?

  • Javier Rodrigo Fonseca-Paricio - Research Analyst

  • Yes, but specifically R&D or maybe like the actual amount or a percent relative to revenue?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. I would -- I think that the 30% of revenue that we have spent this last year is relatively a good number. We expect to grow revenue this year, I expect R&D expense to grow as well. It might fluctuate to 35% or so of revenue. It's not going to go to 50% of revenue.

  • Operator

  • And next, we'll go to [Chris Basta] Investor.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Congrats on the results and the progress. I just had a question around some of the publications in the fourth quarter. You had strong clinical data around reducing silent cerebral embolisms and also another publication around superior outcomes with pediatric arrhythmias. Are those -- prior to that, you also had a publication on the pulmonary hypertension and the positive benefits of the system. Are these translating -- can you discuss whether these are translating into higher procedure numbers in these respective areas? And if not, how the company looks to increase physician awareness around the system benefits in these newer areas with the clinical results.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Sure, [Chris] So we are particularly proud of the clinical data on our technology and specifically the publications that you mentioned and the many others that have come before that kind of corroborate that type of that positive impact in electrophysiology with our robot.

  • What I've said before, I think there's been kind of similar questions to this on some prior calls. And I said before that in procedural medicine and electrophysiology specifically, most physicians seem to be driven not necessarily by clinical data, but by their only personal experience using the technology in pacing their own patients and the kind of the feel of how that went. And so these types of publications do allow us to open the conversation with the physician again to try to have kind of a foot in the door to change behavior or at least experiment with something that they haven't done previously. And it doesn't lead to a switch or a physician reads the publication and says, "Oh, wow, now I'm convinced, now I'm going to do X procedures robotically where previously, I was doing it by hand". It really is kind of a gradual process of trying to change ingrained behaviors at physician accounts.

  • And so we do use these publications. We view them as kind of this foundation, which is a very attractive and beneficial foundation for our engagement with the community, but it isn't at all a light switch in terms of how it impacts actual behavior in the field.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Got it. Understood. And one follow-up with respect to the upcoming catheter portfolio, I'll call it. What are you most excited about? I mean, we've read about some doctors talking about the robotics advantages in the areas of pulse field ablation. Are you -- can you share with me what do you think out of the cryo and the PFA and obviously, the upcoming MAGIC RF. What excites you most?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • So on the EP specific portfolio?

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Yes.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • So I'd say that the MAGIC catheter, there is very, very clear knowledge of a broad range of electrophysiology procedures where that is going to be, given all we know a significant advantage and step forward versus historical technology and available offering in the space. And so that is, I think, a great workhorse foundation for the thousands of procedures that are currently being done on our robot. And I sense that, that will also allow for an expansion of utilization with many physicians relooking at us for procedures that maybe they haven't been thinking about as they get their ability to navigate that catheter.

  • Pulse field is a big trend and area of interest in this field. And so I would view that as the second most important effort that we're making. I'd say that right now, the -- all of the clinical literature and thinking about pulse field is fairly limited to paroxysmal atrial fibrillation. And so it is -- and there are still questions on exactly how pulse field will be a part of the ablation ecosystem, where it will add benefits versus RF where it will not be worthwhile to be advanced versus RF. And so I'd say that, that is clearly the second most interesting and attractive pipeline product of ours in EP. And I think there is a lot of value that stability and precision can provide in that.

  • But I think that, that is a less clearly defined role for it given that's still a pulse field as an entire field and is still kind of an earlier innings of being explored and being understood.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • And can you just confirm, will you be in human testing this year on PFA?

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • We look to be in first and then testing by the end of the year.

  • Operator

  • And that concludes the Question-and-Answer Session. I'd like to turn it back to Mr. Fischel for any additional or closing comments.

  • David Leo Fischel - CEO & Chairman

  • Yes. So thank you very much for your questions. We'll continue to work hard on your behalf and look forward to speaking again in a couple of months. Thank you again.

  • Operator

  • And that does conclude today's call. We'd like to thank everyone for their participation. You may now disconnect.