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  • Operator

  • Greeting, and welcome to the STAG Industrial First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions)

  • As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Steve Xiarhos.

  • Steve Xiarhos - Associate Capital Markets & IR

  • Welcome to STAG Industrial's conference call covering the first quarter 2023 results. In addition to the press release distributed yesterday, we have posted an unaudited quarterly supplemental information presentation on the company's website at www.stagindustrial.com, under the Investor Relations Section.

  • On today's call, the company's prepared remarks and answers to your questions will contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements address matters that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from those discussed today.

  • Examples of forward-looking statements include forecasts of FFO, same-store NOI, G&A, acquisition and disposition volumes, retention rates and other guidance, leasing prospects, rent collections, industry and economic trends and other matters.

  • We encourage all listeners to review the more detailed discussion related to these forward-looking statements contained in the company's filings with the SEC and the definitions and reconciliations of non-GAAP measures contained in the supplemental information package available on the company's website.

  • As a reminder, forward-looking statements represent management's estimates as of today. STAG Industrial assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. On today's call, you will hear from Bill Crooker, our Chief Executive Officer; and Matts Pinard, our Chief Financial Officer.

  • Also here with us today is Mike Chase, our Chief Investment Officer; and Steve Kimball , EVP of Real Estate Operations, who are available to answer questions specific to their areas of focus. I will now turn the call over to Bill.

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Good morning, everybody, and welcome to the first quarter earnings call for STAG Industrial. We are pleased to have you join us and look forward to telling you about the first quarter 2023 results. Before we get started, I want to welcome Steve Kimball to the call.

  • Steve joined us about a month ago and brings with him many years of experience in the industrial sector. His primary role will be to maintain our focus on same-store operations and help us unlock further value in our portfolio. Steve will also oversee growing our development platform over time.

  • Our first quarter results clearly reflect disconnect between the strength of our portfolio and the persistent volatility seen in the capital markets. The industrial market continues to benefit from strong demand driven by multiple secular tailwinds. E-commerce and supply chain reconfiguration have been consistent demand drivers with a diversified mix of industries buying for space across our portfolio.

  • We are experiencing healthy demand from food and beverage tenants, the automobile sector and third-party logistics providers. The uncertainty in the economy is naturally having some impact on industrial fundamentals currently isolated to leasing of big-box spaces.

  • Large tenants are rationalizing their real estate footprint and commitment to large blocks of spaces. This dynamic is not impacting our portfolio as our average lease size is approximately 150,000 square feet. We have discussed the benefits expected to accrue to industrial demand due to the projected near and onshoring of manufacturing operations from overseas at a high level.

  • Recently, we have been able to provide real-life examples of this incremental demand driver. We have seen very strong demand in our markets bordering Mexico, particularly El Paso, which is our ninth largest market, consisting of 2.5% of our portfolio ABR.

  • The nearshoring in Mexico has provided significant incremental demand in the market resulting in vacancy rates close to zero. We have had 3 leases roll in El Paso in the past 3 months, resulting in almost no downtime and 59% cash releasing spreads. With respect to onshoring, projects announced include the $3.5 billion Honda Electric vehicle plant in Columbus, Ohio and the $2.5 billion solar panel manufacturing plant in Georgia.

  • Market prognosticators have identified states like Georgia, Michigan and the Carolinas as a likely dominant states for electrical vehicle and battery manufacturing. What is important to note is that these instances of onshoring are occurring in noncoastal non-gateway markets. They are landing in markets where STAG has traditionally had a footprint, and we expect to benefit as this trend takes shape.

  • Our current 2023 leasing results have surpassed our initial expectation. As of this week, we have leased 10 million square feet or 78% of the new and renewal leasing we expect to commence in 2023, achieving cash leasing spreads of 30.6%. The progress in lease volume addresses in line with the historical cadence at this time in previous years.

  • Based on this execution, we expect our cash re-leasing spreads to be closer to 30% for the year. The foundation of sustainable cash same-store growth is the average contractual annual rent escalation embedded in the portfolio, which continues to increase.

  • Our average rental escalators in the portfolio are north of 2.5%. There is upward pressure on that number as the average annual rental escalator on our 2023 leasing activity achieved to date is 3.4%. Approximately 28% of those leases have rental escalators of 4% or higher. On the development front, our 715,000 square foot development in Greer, South Carolina is proceeding on schedule with expected delivery in early July.

  • We expect the 2 building project to outperform our original underwriting. We have funded $54 million of the $68 million project and have seen strong leasing interest from tenants in the market to date. Not surprisingly, the acquisition market remains quiet with the market searching for price equilibrium. Nevertheless, we have identified several interesting opportunities. We closed on one building subsequent to quarter end and currently have another building under contract.

  • Both opportunities have remaining lease terms less than 2 years and are in high-velocity industrial markets with strong market-to-market opportunities. On the disposition side, we sold 2 buildings this quarter. One building was a noncore asset, and the second was a facility sold to the current tenant.

  • In the aggregate, these transactions resulted in proceeds of $37 million, reflecting a 5.2% cash cap rate. With that, I will turn it over to Matts, who will cover our remaining results and updates to guidance.

  • Matts S. Pinard - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Core FFO per share was $0.55 for the quarter, an increase of 3.8% as compared to the first quarter of last year. Cash available for distribution totaled $90.1 million, an increase of 9.3% as compared to the prior period. Leverage remains at the low end of our guided range with net debt to annualized run rate adjusted EBITDA equal to 5x with $779 million of liquidity at quarter end.

  • During the quarter, we commenced 41 leases totaling 4.8 million square feet, which generated record cash and straight-line leasing spreads of 25.3% and 35.3%, respectively. Retention was 74%, and we achieved record same-store cash NOI growth of 5.9% for the quarter.

  • The increase in the same-store cash NOI is primarily attributable to the record high leasing spreads and the increase in average occupancy as compared to the prior year. In terms of capital market activity, we fully repaid our $100 million private placement Note F, which matured on January 5.

  • There are minimal debt maturities for the next 2 years with only $53.3 million maturing in 2024. As a reminder, our debt is fixed rate through maturity with the exception of our revolving credit facility. In terms of guidance, we have made the following updates.

  • We have increased our same-store guidance to be between 4.75% and 5.25% for the year, an increase to the midpoint of 25 basis points. This increase is driven by accelerating leasing spreads and a modest reduction in expected credit loss. Our core FFO per share guidance has increased to a range of $2.23 to $2.27 per share, an increase of midpoint of $0.01. We still expect net debt for run rate adjusted EBITDA to be between 5x and 5.5x. I will now turn it back over to Bill.

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • I'm very pleased where the company sits today. We have extremely strong operational results and forecast for the remainder of 2023. We are also benefiting from a conservative balance sheet with ample liquidity. These factors will allow us to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves throughout the year. We will now turn it back to the operator for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Craig Mailman with Citi.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Research Analyst

  • Bill, maybe just starting on the acquisition environment. You noted it's been a little bit slower here. But the pipeline kind of grew almost 25% sequentially. Could you just give us a sense of what is driving that uptick? Is it anything from sellers becoming more realistic on pricing or whatever situation, kind of curious because that seems like a big jump sequentially. And then also maybe just give us a sense of what the yield expectations have done or trended in that pipeline?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, the pipeline jumped from Q4, when you're looking at the pipeline in Q4 versus today, portfolio size and the pipeline is consistent. We're seeing a little bit of an uptick of development deals within the pipeline. But most of the increase is just due to our standard deals, some value-add deals, some stabilized deals.

  • The mix of the pipeline is half of it's unsolicited opportunities, a deal that we're approaching owners to potentially sell the building and the other half is lightly marketed or fully marketed. In terms of the acquisition environment, there is still a decent bid out spread between buyers and sellers. We are seeing that narrowing a bit. We closed a deal subsequent to quarter end, as we noted, and as I noted in the prepared remarks, have another deal under contract. The yields are within our guidance range. We still right now expect to operate within our cap rate range given the current market conditions. But overall, it feels like the acquisition market is improving slightly.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Research Analyst

  • And then on the fully marketed deals, do you have a sense of from the brokers kind of depth of the buyer pool that you're going up against maybe make up? And then also just kind of curious of the deals that you've seen transacted sort of the taking price verse the asking price, what that differential has been?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. I mean some deals, they're asking a price and will be in the mix. And oftentimes, we're seeing those deals not close. We are seeing more deals closed than we have in the past 6 months. In terms of where the asking price is and where the deal ultimately closes, it really depends on a deal-by-deal basis and the sellers. When you have a more sophisticated seller with a good brokerage team, I think they have a decent handle on where it can clear. Oftentimes, what we're seeing, we saw at the end of last year and a little bit this year is some sellers that have not transacted in the real estate market in years and have expectations that are a little bit too high. It really depends on the deal.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Research Analyst

  • And then just -- I know we've talked about this in the past, but you guys operate in, I think, 30 states. And there's a wide mix of kind of primary secondary tertiary markets. Are you seeing any differentiation in what's happening on pricing between the primary markets that you guys operate in versus the secondary and tertiary markets?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. When we look at our markets and the definitions, we've been using for the past year or so, the CBRE Tier 1 markets, which is a size-based definition, but also a capital flow definition. When you think about that, almost all of our portfolio, close to 90% of our portfolio is in the CBRE Tier 1 markets. We've done a really good job over the past 5 or so years to dispose of our noncore assets in the tertiary market.

  • Overall, really happy with where our portfolio sits today. In terms of pricing mix between the higher end Tier 1 markets and the lower end Tier 1 markets, I think the bigger price disconnect relates to the weighted average lease term. The longer-term leases are still pricing, call it, 50 basis points-ish, maybe a little bit more, depending on bumps wider than your shorter-term deals. And then in terms of just the apples-to-apples market when looking at a higher Tier 1 market versus a lower Tier 1 market, you're probably seeing something in that 25 to 50 basis points depending on what the mark-to-market opportunity is.

  • Craig Allen Mailman - Research Analyst

  • On the development deal that you guys walked away from and basically gave up the deposit there. Could you just talk about what that yield had been expected to be versus where it was trending some of the color around that?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, that deal, we put that deal under contract in 2021. It was a forward takeout. And then as the market moved and as our cost of capital increase, it was a deal that just didn't make sense for us anymore, given the environment. It was a deal that was in the very low 5s. And for us, at that point, we did not feel like we're getting the appropriate return even with the loss of that incremental capital. A very unique situation, but something that we thought was in our best interest to walk away from.

  • Operator

  • Next question, Michael Carroll with RBC.

  • Michael Albert Carroll - Analyst

  • Bill, can you talk a little bit about the cash lease spreads that you achieved in 2023 so far? And what's the expectation for the remainder of the year? I know last quarter, you were kind of targeting your 23 spreads to be between 25% and 30%. I'm not sure if you mentioned this in the prepared remarks, but did you update that just given that you're already above 30% and already satisfying about 70-plus percent of those leases?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, I did. We're close to 80% of our expected leasing, we've executed already to date, as you said, the 30.6%. Right now, just given how much we've leased, we've increased our expectation for the year to be closer to 30% for the year. There is some uncertainty in the back half of the year, which is why we've signed 80%, but still 20% less to sign.

  • Michael Albert Carroll - Analyst

  • Is there any mix difference between that last 20% versus what you've already completed?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • No, not materially. Which is why we've increased the guidance for the year closer to 30%.

  • Michael Albert Carroll - Analyst

  • And then as you look into '24, I guess, was there anything unique in the '23 spreads in terms of geography or, I guess, the term of the leases that were rolling that you would -- versus what you're going through in '24?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. I mean this year, what we've signed to date is 10 million square feet. It's a pretty big sample size. We're seeing really strong demand across our markets. Supply that's coming online nationally is not impacting our markets as much as some other markets. We feel really good about the leasing spreads we've had this year and the dynamics in the market. I mean one thing that's been talked about a lot is the development starts and what the new supply is going to be in '24. Right now, development starts are pretty low. That should bode well for the supply-demand dynamics in '24, but I try to stay away from '24 guidance in the first quarter 23 call, Mike.

  • Michael Albert Carroll - Analyst

  • I know you had a few large, I guess, lease spreads that you achieved in Northern New Jersey. I mean is that mix similar in '24 versus '23? That's not going to like distort those numbers or the comparison of those numbers too much, right?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. I mean when you think about some of the larger roles, I mean, I mentioned some of the ones we signed in El Paso at 59%. That's Northern New Jersey. We signed our Amazon building in Northern Jersey, I think that was, call it, 80%-ish but that's a 250,000 square foot building. When you think about 10 million square feet, you need a lot of that to really distort the number. It's a pretty good mix. And if you exclude one or 2 or 3 leases, it really doesn't change the number materially.

  • Operator

  • Next question, Eric Borden with BMO Capital Markets.

  • Eric Borden - Senior Associate

  • Kind of going back to the pipeline a little bit. I just want to talk about specifically on the developments and the deals and the types of assets that you're seeing come to market. Are they more greenfield, brownfield, fully entitled? And where on the risk spectrum would you be willing to transact today?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. What's in the pipeline today is fully entitled deals, but it's entitled land sites that haven't started and as well as some that have gone a little bit further through the process. It really is a mix. We're bidding to cap rates or returns where we're getting excess returns over a stabilized transaction, and we feel it's in markets where we feel really comfortable with the leasing prospects. When I talked about operating in the top 60 CBRE 1 markets, it's probably in the top 30 CBRE 1 markets.

  • Eric Borden - Senior Associate

  • And then over time, how should we think about the total amount of capital being allocated towards developments?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • I mean right now, we're in the early stages. Get through this development, hopefully put some more under contract. And as we do more of this stuff, we'll enhance our disclosure and certainly enhance our guidance as to percentage of capital being deployed during the year for developments.

  • Eric Borden - Senior Associate

  • Are tenants looking to renew ahead of expiration today? And then if so, what are they giving up in the negotiation in order to execute on a quicker term?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • I mean the fundamentals continue to be really strong. Tenants are leasing space ahead of lease expiration, but not materially longer more in advance than they have in the past. It's a similar cadence to what it was last year. With that, they're not giving much up. We're not giving much up. We're marking leases as close to market as we can for these lease expirations. Tenants really like the way we operate our buildings. We've got great relationships with our tenants. We work really hard at that. They want to stay in a Stag building. A very similar cadence to last year in terms of how far in advance they're leasing their buildings.

  • Operator

  • Next question, Camille Bonnel with Bank of America.

  • Jing Xian Tan Bonnel - REIT Analyst

  • Can you comment on what you're seeing in terms of rent growth in your markets in the first quarter? And if this changes your view on the outlook for 2023?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, rent growth in the first quarter was, depending on the market mid- to high single digits. We're still expecting that. That was our initial forecast in February. We're still projecting that for this year across the portfolio. Last year, I think we ended up high single digits, really across the portfolio. Still a slight deceleration, we're projecting, but we'll see if that comes to fruition.

  • Jing Xian Tan Bonnel - REIT Analyst

  • And it looks like in Philadelphia, your ABR fell from 7% in your second largest market to 2% this quarter. Can you speak to what's driving this decline?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. That was more of a definitional change. Instead of using CoStar markets, which has a bigger circle. What we did was we really focused on the CBRE definitions of markets, which we think is more relevant for us. When they look at markets, it's size of the market, but I think as important as that is capital flow into market, you could have a big market, but if you don't have institutional capital flow, it won't qualify as a CBRE Tier 1 market. That was really it. If you were to do apples-to-apples a Philadelphia exposure quarter-over-quarters the same.

  • Jing Xian Tan Bonnel - REIT Analyst

  • From a geographic perspective, this market is still core to your strategy, no changes there?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Absolutey yes.

  • Jing Xian Tan Bonnel - REIT Analyst

  • Your portfolio occupancies remain quite healthy, but sequentially declined nearly 100 basis points. Was there any tenant driving this change or any comments around changes in your tenant credit watch list?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • I'll let Matts talk about the tenant credit. But in terms of sequential occupancy, Q1 '23, we had about 5.5 million square feet expiring. And this quarter, we renewed 74% of that when you adjust it for immediate backfills, it's about 80%. Call it, 20% of that $5.5 million being effectively nonrenewed in Q1. Q1 is usually the highest quarter for lease expirations. This one just happened to be a little bit higher. If you look over the prior Q1 '22, there was some pretty healthy average occupancy gains, which, as Matts mentioned in his prepared remarks, was a driver to the 5.9% cash same-store NOI growth in Q1. Matts, do you want to talk about tenant credit?

  • Matts S. Pinard - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • In terms of tenant credit, quite simply, our watch list is very similar to what it was 90 days ago. For the quarter, we did experience approximately $125,000 of credit loss. This is significantly less than what we were budgeting. Therefore, we have reduced our full year credit loss assumption from 50 basis points to 40 basis points.

  • The 40 basis points is an acknowledgment of the volatile macro backdrop. But similar to last quarter, none of this is specifically associated with individual tenants. It's more of a broad-based view of potential credit loss. We'll continue to monitor and update the market, but we're very pleased with our rental collections in the first quarter. We generally have larger and more sophisticated tenants. Almost 60% of our tenants have revenues north of $1 billion. Over 80% of our tenants have revenues north of $100 million. While not a credit proxy, it's a pretty good indication of the size and sophistication of the tenancy.

  • Operator

  • Next question, Blaine Heck with Wells Fargo.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • Bill, I appreciate the commentary on onshoring. I guess can you just walk us through how the increased manufacturing activity impacts your portfolio directly. I'm assuming you guys aren't necessarily housing the manufacturing activities within your building. What are some of the ancillary functions or tenants that are maybe relocating to those markets and driving demand in your warehouses in those situations?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. I mean the simple answer there, Blaine is it's really suppliers to the manufacturing. We are not housing the manufacturing. We're housing the, we expect to be housing more of the suppliers and 3PLs servicing those manufacturing sites. As I noted, we're seeing real-life examples in the El Paso market. In the past 3 months, we signed 3 leases with, I think it was 59% cash roll-ups. I mentioned just a couple of examples of some onshoring. There's a lot of other examples. I think Rivian is opening up a $5 billion manufacturing plant east of Atlanta.

  • And there's a bunch of other examples. Toyota is opening a $4 billion electrical battery plant outside of Greensboro. A lot of the markets that we're operating in is where these plants are going. We have not seen immediate impacts to our portfolio because these plants are not up and running yet. But when they are, we expect demand for our warehouses from 3PLs and other suppliers to those manufacturing sites.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • You guys talked about this a little bit, but I think development has been one area of the business. I think you guys are looking to do a little more of. Can you just talk about how land pricing has trended recently and whether that would make you more willing to go out and start building a more substantial land bank for future development like some of your kind of REIT counterparts?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • It's something that we're looking into, Blaine, right now, more on the entitled land side of the equation. But certainly, over time, and with Steve's help start to identify and maybe put some raw land on the books. From peak pricing, we're seeing land come down 20% to 30%. We feel like given the market fundamentals, our outlook for the next few years and beyond, industrial is a very strong sector. And we think this is an opportune time to start to make our way into the development side of the business.

  • Blaine Matthew Heck - Senior Equity Analyst

  • You guys are right at the low end of your stated leverage target range at 5x. But it seems like acquisitions could ramp up as we progress throughout the year. Your pipeline increased pretty substantially. Can you just talk about potential funding sources to disposition still make the most sense here? Or would you look at other sources like equity, even where the stock is trading?

  • Matts S. Pinard - Executive VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Very similar to when we laid out our initial guidance last call, we're running our business plan this year, assuming this macro backdrop with no incremental capital. We haven't issued equity since January of last year. We have no need for incremental debt. We're pretty successful in the capital recycling front. We actually were a net seller this quarter. Leverage is at 5x. We can run the midpoints of our guidance and stay within our band of 5% to 5.5%. I guess, short answer here, Blaine, is we're prepared to operate this year without incremental capital.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from Mike Mueller with JPMorgan.

  • Michael William Mueller - Senior Analyst

  • Just sticking with development for a second. I guess if you do end up expanding that, should we be thinking a little bit more of full traditional ground up or that and a mix of stepping into projects that were recently developed but are not yet leased and just taking on the leasing risk. I mean how are you thinking about that?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • All along the spectrum there, Mike. We'll step into projects that are almost complete and take on the leasing risk. Will want to get a better return than if that building will stabilize all the way to buying an entitled land site today and taking on the development risk and the leasing risk and the market risk.

  • We're evaluating all those opportunities. We've executed on all of those opportunities to date or in the process of executing on, I guess, the last one. It will be a mix as we get into this more and we do more of this, we'll certainly enhance our disclosure and our guidance on it. But right now, we're evaluating a lot of these opportunities.

  • Michael William Mueller - Senior Analyst

  • And how is the staffing, I guess, in-house in terms of if you're thinking about expanding the actual ground-up components like doing it all from scratch. I mean, how staffed are you for that to do more than a handful of projects?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes, we're very well staffed today. I mean it all depends on how much. I mean our approach to this will be using general contractors, so we can flex up and down without having all those staff in-house. I think that's very similar to some of our peers and some of the private shops. For us, right now, we're staffed appropriately, and it all depends on how big this opportunity is.

  • Operator

  • Next question comes from Nick Thillman with Baird.

  • Nicholas Patrick Thillman - Research Associate

  • On the acquisition pipeline, you kind of said 50% lightly marketed. How does that compare relatively to historical pipeline?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • It's about the same. From a lightly market when you start factoring in fully marketed, if the pipelines move a little bit more to unsolicited transactions now than it was before. And so with that, you'd expect our hit rate to be lower because we're not sure in all these cases that there's a willing seller at a market price. It's moved more to the unsolicited than it has in the past.

  • Operator

  • Next question, Steve Sakwa with Evercore ISI.

  • Stephen Thomas Sakwa - Senior MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • I know cap rates going to vary by market and growth rates vary by market, but I guess one way to normalize all that is to maybe think about unlevered IRRs on the things that you're buying or selling. I guess the question is, where do you think unlevered IRRs are today for kind of your core markets? And maybe how has that changed? Or how have you changed the unlevered IRR hurdles that you're willing to invest?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • It's probably high single digits, Steve, today. Obviously, those numbers have gone up a bit with our cost of capital. When we evaluate a transaction, it needs to be accretive. As our cost of capital increases, our unlevered IRR requirements increase as well.

  • Stephen Thomas Sakwa - Senior MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • High single digits, meaning 7, 8, 9, ten, maybe not 10, but like where in that range of high single digits, would you say?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Well, it's probably in the 7.5 to 9 range, I would say.

  • Stephen Thomas Sakwa - Senior MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst

  • And I guess, would the 9s be sort of the smaller markets and the 7.5 kind of the maybe the Tier 1 CBRE markets you think about along those kind of lines?

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Yes. I mean, it's a mix. It really depends on what we can get for a going in cap rate and then factoring in the growth rates that we're projecting. As I said, most of the portfolio, I think 90% of the portfolio is in CBRE Tier 1 markets, but cap rates and returns vary across those markets. It just depends, and it also depends on the opportunity and who we're competing with on the opportunities. A lot of times, we're buying from local private equity, where the competition is only a couple of other bidders in this market.

  • We feel like we can extract some value on the acquisition buy side. And so sometimes those can, even if they're in the bottom half of the CBRE Tier1 markets and sometimes yield a significantly higher result than some of the higher Tier 1 markets.

  • Operator

  • I would like to turn the floor over to Bill Crooker for closing remarks.

  • William R. Crooker - CEO, President & Director

  • Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Really appreciate the questions. Very happy with where we are today, as I mentioned, in the outlook for 2023. And we look forward to seeing many of you at the upcoming conferences.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.