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  • Operator

  • Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the SeaSpine Holdings Corporation First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded.

  • I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Leigh Salvo of Investor Relations. Ma'am, please begin.

  • Leigh J. Salvo - MD

  • Thank you, and thank you for participating in today's call. Joining me from SeaSpine is CEO, Keith Valentine; and CFO, John Bostjancic. Earlier today, SeaSpine released full financial results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2019.

  • During this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws in regard to our business strategy, expectations and plans, our objectives for future operations and our future financial results and condition. All statements, other than statements of historical fact, are forward-looking statements.

  • Such statements may include words such as believe, could, would, well, plan, intend and similar expressions. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements, which are only predictions and reflect our beliefs based on current information and speak only as of today, May 1, 2019.

  • For a description of risks and uncertainties that could cause material differences between our actual results and those stated or implied by forward-looking statements, please see our news releases and periodic filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are available on our corporate website, www.seaspine.com and at www.sec.gov.

  • I will now turn the call over to Keith Valentine. Keith?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Thank you, Leigh. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us. 2019 is off to a strong start as we continue to see revenue growth momentum in both our spinal implant and orthobiologics portfolios. We were also successful in generating gross margin expansion from the process improvements implemented last year in our Irvine, California orthobiologics manufacturing facility. I'm pleased to see the positive results emerging from our continued focus on execution and investment.

  • Our priorities to drive long-term growth remain the following: first, continued product innovation through timely development and launch of differentiated new products and systems with an investment in a sufficient number of sets and inventory to drive deep penetration into the market; second, establish thoughtful and collaborative relationships with new, committed and more exclusive distributors, both in the U.S. and internationally; and third, reengage existing quality distributors that have the potential to become more exclusive and committed to our products and systems.

  • As a result of our ongoing focus on these priorities, we have been successful in not only gaining market share but, encouragingly, growing at a rate that is 4x to 5x faster than the overall spine market. We remain committed to these priorities and are confident that this path, combined with our sound financial position, will enable us to achieve our goals to build the size and scale required in the spine market for improved operating margins and reduced free cash flow burn.

  • We have built an amazing team and culture at SeaSpine that remains laser-focused on our vision: developing surgeon-centric, cost-effective solutions that combine innovative spinal implant systems with industry-leading orthobiologics, which together, can drive improved procedural solutions and deliver clinical value to the surgeon, hospitals and patients.

  • Turning to our topline performance. Revenue for the first quarter of 2019 totaled $36.2 million, an increase of 9% versus the year-ago period. Despite there being one less selling day in the current quarter, U.S. revenue increased 8% to $32 million and international revenue grew 15% to $4.2 million.

  • In the U.S., growth was once again led by increased sales of new and recently launched products and line extensions that are driven primarily by our improved distributor network. New and recently launched products contribute more than 55% of our U.S. spinal implant revenue and nearly 20% of our U.S. orthobiologics revenue in the first quarter of 2019. We are excited about the growth opportunities ahead of us, as we continue to build and develop a more committed and exclusive distributor network that is generating an increasing percentage of our overall revenue.

  • In the first quarter, we were successful in onboarding several more exclusive distributors in the U.S. that carried both product portfolios, and we expect to close on additional opportunities in the second quarter. For the first time ever, the percentage of orthobiologics revenue generated by distributors carrying both portfolios topped 50%. Over the past several years, we have made tremendous progress towards delivering what we believe is a platform of innovative and highly utilized foundational spinal implant systems and an efficient full-scale production of new orthobiologics products.

  • In addition, we continue to make meaningful investments in further product innovation and new products that are supported by expanded distributor and surgeon training and education programs. As a result, we are able to give our larger and increasingly exclusive distribution network the confidence that we can and will support the growth of their businesses.

  • Turning to the near-term product launches we discussed on our February call. We are excited by the success of the ongoing alpha launches of our Regatta lateral implant and access system and our Mariner Cortical System, and we remain on track to fully launch both systems by the end of the second quarter.

  • We also expect to fully launch the Shoreline anterior cervical interbody system, incorporating our proprietary reef technology and to alpha launch the Mariner Outrigger System for use in revision surgeries by the end of the second quarter.

  • I'll now turn the call over to John to provide more detail on our financials and our financial outlook. Then, I will wrap up. John?

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Thanks, Keith, and good afternoon, everyone. As Keith noted earlier, total revenue for the first quarter of 2019 was $36.2 million, an increase of 9% compared to the prior year. U.S. revenue increased 8% to $32 million and international revenue grew 15% to $4.2 million, largely on the strength of spinal implant replenishment orders from our distributors in Australia and Europe.

  • First quarter 2019 results were impacted by 1 less selling day compared to the prior year, and will gain the benefit of an extra selling day in the third quarter of this year.

  • U.S. orthobiologics revenue in the first quarter increased 8% year-over-year to $17 million, driven by growth in recently launched DBM products, led by the OsteoStrand Plus product. The growth in DBM product revenue continues to be slightly offset by a sales decline in our Mozaik Collagen Ceramic Matrix product line. The anticipated launch by the end of May of the OsteoCurrent product we've recently licensed from Kuros Biosciences is expected to be an upgrade to our current synthetic bone graft substitute product offering and should help stabilize that declining revenue base.

  • U.S. spinal implant revenue in the first quarter increased 9% year-over-year to $14.9 million and was once again driven by growth in recently launched products, led primarily by the Shoreline and Mariner Systems and by our expanded NanoMetalene portfolio. Spinal implant surgery case volumes increased by approximately 15%, but were somewhat offset by low single-digit price declines and procedural mix.

  • Gross margin for the first quarter was 62.4% compared to 63.3% for the same period in 2018 and reflects a 180-basis-point expansion versus the 60.6% gross margin reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. This sequential quarter expansion reflects the anticipated benefits of our focused efforts to reduce manufacturing costs of our orthobiologics products.

  • In 2018, we implemented a series of process improvements at our Irvine, California manufacturing facility that increased manufacturing yields and lowered manufacturing scrap rates for our orthobiologics products, the benefits of which we are realizing in the P&L now as that lower cost inventory is sold.

  • Operating expenses for the first quarter of 2019 totaled $31.6 million compared to $28 million for the same period in the prior year. The $3.6 million increase in operating expenses was driven primarily by the result of $2.8 million in higher selling, general and administrative expenses, including stock-based compensation, selling commissions, salary and wages and instrument depreciation and replacement expenses.

  • Research and development costs increased approximately $700,000 to $3.5 million or 9.7% of revenue, primarily due to increased stock-based compensation and salary and wages and other headcount-related costs, as we upgraded and expanded the breadth and capacity of our product development teams and higher costs related to clinical studies.

  • Net loss for the first quarter of 2019 was $9 million compared to a net loss of $7.1 million for the first quarter of 2018. Cash, cash equivalents and investments at March 31, 2019, totaled $45 million and we had no amounts outstanding under our credit facility.

  • During the first quarter of 2019, we did not sell any shares of common stock under our ATM program, nor do we anticipate utilizing the ATM program in the near future. Our free cash flow burn, which excludes financing inflows and outflows, was $7.4 million for the first quarter of 2019 compared to $6.3 million in the prior year period. Recall that we pay out annual cash incentive bonuses in March of each year.

  • We remain focused on expanding our gross margin and continuing to reduce cash-based G&A expenses as a percentage of revenue. However, in the short term, we plan to continue to redeploy much of that operating leverage towards the sales, marketing and R&D initiatives and inventory and spinal implant set build capital expenditures that are critical to building the scale and driving the sustained revenue growth that are needed to achieve sustained, positive free cash flows in the future. Accordingly, we expect our free cash flow burn for 2019 to exceed the $20.9 million free cash flow burn we incurred in 2018.

  • Turning to our financial outlook for 2019. We are raising the bottom end of our revenue expectations, and now expect full year revenue to be in the range of $154 million to $156 million for 2019, reflecting growth of 7.5% to 9% over full year 2018 revenue. This compares to previous revenue guidance of $152 million to $156 million. While we are not providing quarterly guidance, we still anticipate that revenue growth in the second half of 2019 will slightly outpace the first half, based on the expected timing of the deployment of additional sets of our recently launched spinal implant systems.

  • Moving down the P&L. We expect gross margin for 2019 to increase to within a range of 62% to 64% as we continue to realize the benefits of the process and yield improvements we recently implemented in Irvine. And SG&A, excluding noncash stock-based compensation charges and any noncash gains or losses related to changes in the fair value of NLT contingent consideration liabilities, to approximate 66% to 69% of revenue. We now expect R&D to approximate 9% to 10% of revenue to reflect the increased investment in clinical studies and product development headcount.

  • At this point, I would like to turn the call back over to Keith for closing comments.

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Thank you, John. In summary, 2019 is emerging as another pivotal year for SeaSpine as we continue to execute on product launches and expand the reach and exclusivity of our global distributor network. I am proud of the solid foundation for sustainable growth we've established, which is supported by our organization of nearly 400 energized employees who are committed to providing high-quality, differentiated and complementary technologies that leverage our core competencies in orthobiologics, interbody devices and modular spinal instrumentation systems.

  • With that, we will now open it up to questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question or comment comes from the line of Matthew O'Brien from Piper Jaffray.

  • Matthew Oliver O'Brien - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Just for starters, either Keith or John. Can you just give us a sense for the biologics headwind that you're facing, because the performance there was pretty good in the quarter. So just trying to get a sense for, if you net out that headwind, what that would've look like?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • So from an orthobiologic perspective, we're still working through, I think, as I mentioned in the call, Matt, that 20% of our revenue is coming from new products. We're still working through getting a number of the new products that have been launched over the past year, continuing to work through accounts, getting pricing approvals. So we don't -- I don't believe it's a headwind. I think it's the nature of the market we're in now, as new products get launched. It's not just immediately available in some of the accounts, you have to go through a pricing process. So we feel really good about the strides we've made. We're going to continue to see the percentage of new products continue to go up on the orthobiologics side. I also think that we're continuing to see headwinds in other areas of the market, specifically those on the sell side that spell great opportunity for us, especially in the new strand material products that we have, I think, we'll continue to focus and make sure those products are good alternatives from a cost-effective perspective as well as from a clinical perspective.

  • Matthew Oliver O'Brien - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Fair enough. And then as far as the guidance goes, we look at what John said about the second half of the year being faster than the first half, and Q1 here being pretty good, I'm just wondering if the range that you're providing -- kind of what would have to happen to get to the lower end of the range versus the higher end of the range?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, I mean, I'd prefer to answer the question with sort of what's the expectations for the back half of the year. It's the set builds that we've got planned, that we talked about on the fourth quarter call, right? The strong cadence of new product launches we've got scheduled on the implant side, deploying more of our high utilization sets like Mariner and Shoreline, as we continue to penetrate deeper into the market. The expectations we have based on the first quarter performance and the fact that those set builds and product launches are scheduled to start around the end of the second quarter or early third quarter, puts us in kind of an all-time high in terms of our confidence for the revenue guidance range because of how we executed in the first quarter and how we're continuing to execute and what the outlook is for the rest of the year.

  • Matthew Oliver O'Brien - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay. But just to be a little bit clearer on that, John, or just put a finer point on it. You did about 9% here in Q1. You're saying, expect a little bit better for the overall business in the back half of the year. So I'm assuming Q2 is not going to be a massive deceleration. So it just feels like midpoint to even towards a little bit of a higher end of the range is probably fair as far as how we think about the models?

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes, I agree. And the way you characterized Q2, right? We're not expected a meaningful deceleration, a massive deceleration, right? We're just continue to be cautious with the guidance and being consistent with what we said in the fourth quarter call about how the cadence of product launches are going to impact revenue in the back half.

  • Matthew Oliver O'Brien - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Got it. And then last one for me, just on Keith's commentary. I caught part of it, but I don't think I caught all of it. As far as the number of new distributors that you've on-boarded, it sounds like that's ramping nicely. It sounds like there is a lot of opportunity to continue to go even more exclusive. Can you provide a little bit more color, Keith, as far as the exclusivity you're seeing amongst some of your distributors? And some of these new distributors you're on-boarding, you know, as far as the quality of those folks, are you moving up tiers as far as some of the distributors you're getting on board now, just given the breadth of the product offering that you have?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. Thanks, Matt. Yes, on both of those questions, there's a couple of areas that we feel very good about, that were whitespace areas that -- we have now good partners that have good spinal experience. They also have, with that, strong contacts and good surgeon education and sales force education in the mix as well. So part of what we've always talked about is, it does take a bit of time for folks to come aboard to be trained and also to be proficient on the products. And we feel very good about the new quality of distributors that are coming aboard, that they're able to start faster and get aboard quicker from an education process. I still think for them to be fully seated for us and for us to have all their approvals we need at hospitals, it's still is that 9-month process to 12-month process, but they're getting traction quicker than we've seen before. And so we feel good about the new folks coming on, we feel good about the ones that are kind of in the pipeline, if you will. And the new products, especially the second half of the year, that both John and I described on the call, are absolutely encouraging them to come aboard quickly and to get started knowing that the pipeline of innovation is going to produce what they need to be successful as we get into 2020.

  • Operator

  • Our next question or comment comes from the line of Craig Bijou from Cantor Fitzgerald.

  • Craig William Bijou - Research Analyst

  • Keith, I want to start with may be just a follow-up on Matt's question earlier on distributors and bringing them onboard. And not necessarily kind of how quickly -- once they're onboard, how quickly they're going to ramp, but I wanted to get a sense for what you're seeing as you're going after better quality, maybe larger distributors. Just the negotiation process that you're seeing out there? Is it taking longer to get them over the goal line or identify them? Is there any impact on the cost of bringing them onboard? I know other companies that have had a similar strategy in the past, have -- once they kind of go up a level and distributors have run into some -- or maybe it takes a little longer-than-expected. So I just wanted to get a little color on what you're seeing from that perspective?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. You know interesting that the #1 conversation that we seem to have that is very consistent with all of the new folks, whether they're coming aboard or they're working through when they can come aboard, thanks to whatever it may be, contractual agreements, noncompetes, that they all have a very similar theme. And the theme is, do we have the ability to invest in our innovation? Meaning they're excited about the new products, they're excited about what they're seeing, they're excited to talk to the engineers and the product managers about the direction of those new products, but it always comes back to, are you going to make the appropriate investment in inventory? And that is really where I think both John and I spend a lot of time with our sales management team is ensuring that we can plan out these new adds and that we do have the right investments. And I think we highlighted in the call that we've been very serious about how we are thoughtfully putting together our inventory, how we're thoughtfully making sure it can be deployed for these exclusives. And most importantly, the timing of it. Right? I mean, obviously, some things have different lead times than others, and so you have to make your investment earlier to make sure it's available when they actually have approval at the hospital and are ready to go. And so, I would say that is the #1 concern when they come in the door and, obviously, with the raise we did last year and our current ability and access to our credit line, we certainly have a very strong pathway to show them how we can afford the inventory, and how we're going to deploy it so they can be successful.

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes. And just to add up on that, Craig, the point that I drive home, and I think really resonates with everybody I meet with that comes here to talk about SeaSpine is, just our liquidity position hasn't been better since the spin. It's at its best it's ever been between cash on-hand, immediate access to cash through the credit facility, and we kind of recap where we've made investments in sets and inventory, showing the recent investments, how that's translated into the accelerating revenue growth. And I think it really energizes them that we say we're going to continue to invest like this, but we've also got the financial means to continue to invest like this, and we've got the confidence to continue to invest like this based on the return on those investments. And I think that really resonates with them.

  • Craig William Bijou - Research Analyst

  • Great, that's helpful. Maybe just turning to growth. And I guess over the last couple of quarters, there's been a bit of divergence in the growth rates between the orthobiologic side and the implant side. And I know there's a number of moving pieces in each that are affecting that difference. Traditionally, you guys have said that implants and orthobiologics should grow roughly in the same area. So just wanted to kind of get a sense for your thoughts on that, specifically in 2019? And then maybe just longer-term going forward, how the growth rates will compare to each other?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. I still think that -- I don't think they're going to exactly mimic each other, but I do think that they are both capable of sustaining the high single-digit, low double-digit growth rates that we promised. There may be some ebbs and flows between them by quarter, and there's reasons behind that of certain buying patterns, especially on the orthobiologics side, but we also feel really good about some of the new accounts that are coming aboard with our new products on the orthobiologics side. Some of -- you know, unfortunately, it's just the kind of market we live in right now, it takes longer to get approval for new products than ever before, especially in the larger buying groups. And so it's -- what I enjoy is the fact that we still enjoy a 3% -- sorry, #3 position market sure, almost 15% on the DBM side, which gives us the opportunity to make sure we have a seat at the table, but it doesn't necessarily mean we get expedited approval. And so we're going to continue working through that. The metric we talked about in the call was the 20% now is new products and we see that continuing to grow. And as that grows, it gives pricing stability along with a better clinical alternative in the OR for surgeons. So I think you'll continue to see lift in that area, and they'll come as more and more approvals come at the bigger buying groups.

  • Craig William Bijou - Research Analyst

  • If I could just squeeze one last in. Cash burn, John, you said that that was going to be at a little bit higher in '19 than it was in '18. Just thoughts, how should we think about that looking at '20? I know you're not going to provide guidance, but is there leverage to be gained in '20? And how should we think about the burn then?

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Yes, I think a couple of factors. There's the large investment in sets that we're making this year because of that robust cadence of product launches that we talked about on our fourth quarter call. It's this year continuing to drive orthobiologics finished goods levels for the legacy, particularly at DBM as well as the ramp-up of the fibrous DBM, right, we're carrying, I'd say it more than is optimal, but we want to make sure we can continue to fill orders, and it's beneficial for us to convert existing business over to the fibrous-based DBM because it's, I think, better clinically but also a lower cost profile for us as well. So that helps the gross margin with all the efficiencies we've been able to implement. So I think as that cannibalization pattern continues to evolve, we'll have better predictability and can start bringing down the legacy finished good levels on the orthobiologics side and focus more on the ramp up on the fibers-based DBM.

  • Also on the set builds, we've had an opportunity as we launch new products. One of the things we talked about essentially since the spin is, as we launch new products, going for international registrations as well, and we're able to take advantage of price breaks at higher quantities. If were buying systems for launch in the U.S. such as Regatta to add on additional systems for international launch when that time comes. While we may not sell those products or those systems designated for international this year, it makes sense financially to buy more systems knowing there's demand outside the U.S. where we get those clearances to be able to sell through the inventory rather than buying fewer sets at higher price points. That's part of our strategy this year, and that should give us some benefit next year that we won't need to make those same investments for international because we're making it at the same time we're doing the investment for the U.S. launch and, as I said, getting better price points across a greater number of systems.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our next question or comment comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman from BTIG.

  • Sam Brodovsky - Equity Research Associate

  • It's Sam on for Ryan. With your distributors carrying -- your biological distributors carrying biologics and implants now over 50%, just was curious to see if you're seeing any faster sales growth there in the implants line? And if that might be -- compared to your exclusively implant distributors and if that could be driving some of the inflection up? Just out of curiosity there.

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, I think it's a fair question. It is interesting. We do see some of our newest exclusives being able to penetrate our newer orthobiologics quicker. It's probably too early to tell if that's a consistent trend or not. But keep in mind that to get to the market share position we're at, to be the #3 player with a 15% market share in the traditional, particularly DBM, I think those are long-standing accounts. They're accounts that have been supported very nicely. Some of them even probably have the ability for -- to be able to shelf product at the account. And so there is a bit of long-standing comfort with the traditional product line. But I do think that some of our newer exclusives have done a better job of launching and driving the newer alternatives in Strand and in Ballast.

  • Sam Brodovsky - Equity Research Associate

  • Great, that's helpful. And then looking at growth in the quarter, when you're thinking about the kind of delta between where you had originally expected growth to be and then that came in at the higher end of your guidance, are you seeing a more rapid uptake on the newly deployed sets? Or are you just seeing better utilization on the set that have been in the field? What would you say?

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • Well, it's both. We're getting great utilization out of the high demand systems like Shoreline and Mariner and the expanded NanoMetalene portfolio. And again, as we talk about how we think things are going to play out through the rest of the year with the timing of deploying more of those sets and the full commercial launch of Regatta around midyear, seeing the high utilization rates we're getting out of those existing sets, timed with the onboarding of the additional, more exclusive distributors, and by the time they get ramped up, I think, the deployment of the additional sets will time out well, because we have a lot of confidence they'll be highly utilized, the additional ones we deploy in the field, based on the historical usage patterns. And that gives us the confidence in the revenue growth being slightly higher in the second half of the year. But to answer your question more directly, it's both.

  • Sam Brodovsky - Equity Research Associate

  • Great. And then just last one. With the Kuros product coming to the field, how quickly do you feel that, that can get across your distributor network? And then, as an addition to that, any thoughts on where additional BD&L could add to the portfolio for the year?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, we're excited about the -- having a synthetic alternative. But I think it will follow -- as I commented on the DBM side, I think it follows kind of that new product progression. There's still going to be opportunities where we have to get it approved. The good news is, I think it is -- it absolutely is a premium product that will deserve a premium price, but we're going to have to go through all of the same kind of hurdles that we've had to go to with the Strand material and even Ballast. And so the good news is we've -- we're very fresh down this road, but it is a process. So I would look at it as a progressive launch that picks up momentum. I don't think it's just turned a switch and it's a rapid acceleration.

  • Operator

  • Our next question or comment comes from the line of Jeffrey Cohen from Ladenburg Thalmann.

  • Destiny Hance - Equity Research Associate

  • This is actually Destiny on for Jeff. I just wanted to get a little bit of clarity. I know you mentioned, when you were speaking about the R&D spend going forward about some -- of efforts and finances going towards clinical work. Could you give us an update on what you're currently working on? And then, along the same lines I know your adding, you're expanding your headcount. Could you give us an idea of what your FTE is now, please?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes. So I'll answer the first part, and let John take the second half of your question, Destiny. So from a clinical perspective, we're keeping very focused on kind of what we have been mapping out from last year, and that is, we feel like we have a significant economic value and clinical value when you combine our orthobiologically-friendly NanoMetalene technology with our newest and greatest, of course, DBM materials and the Strand materials. And so we have made sure that from a clinical effort, and even from an animal work effort, that everything is focused in and around that. Meaning we want to further demonstrate the value of NanoMetalene and, as we talked about on this call, the reef technology which is an additional feature to the implant that will be a NanoMetalene-bonded implant that will foster quicker -- potentially quicker opportunities for stability for patients. And in that, we want to make sure that we're designing clinical studies that help demonstrate that. And so we have worked on a number of studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of our NanoMetalene implant systems with our newest and greatest orthobiologics. And it's just a matter of getting studies started, recruitment, follow up and everything that goes along with it. But we feel like we are responsively demonstrating how we are economically valuable as well as better clinical outcomes. And so that's been the focus of those R&D dollars towards clinical.

  • John J. Bostjancic - Senior VP, CFO & Treasurer

  • And then just to answer your question on the headcount. We're just under 50 on the R&D side, which is clinical, regulatory and engineering. And of that, just about 30 of those are in the engineering groups, in both the ortho and the spinal implants portfolios.

  • Destiny Hance - Equity Research Associate

  • Got it. And then, I guess I just thought of another one for the clinical side. Should we expect to see any data presented on the upcoming conferences in the next 2 to 4 quarters?

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • No. From a true patient clinical work, no. It would be further out by the time that we get enrollment and then we start looking at the follow-up points. And you know like it or not, we can show stability early, but most studies like to see something around a year before you start getting them accepted on a podium. There may be opportunities though as we move forward, depending on submissions and timing for some of our additional animal work to be presented or at least to be discussed, and we'll keep it posted as those things get submitted and accepted when appropriate.

  • Operator

  • I'm showing no additional questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Keith Valentine for any closing remarks.

  • Keith C. Valentine - President, CEO & Director

  • So thank you, everyone, for joining us this afternoon, and may you have a great evening. Cheers.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.