US Silica Holdings Inc (SLCA) 2022 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to the U.S. Silica Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce you to Patricia Gil, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to thank you for joining us today for U.S. Silica's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. Leading the call today are our Chief Executive Officer, Bryan Shinn; and Don Merril, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, I would like to remind you of our standard cautionary remarks regarding the forward-looking nature of some of the statements that will be made today. Such forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections or other statements about future events are based on current expectations and assumptions, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties.

For a complete discussion of these risks and uncertainties, we encourage you to read the company's press release and our documents on file with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements.

Additionally, we may refer to the non-GAAP measures such as adjusted EBITDA, segment contribution margin, net debt and our net leverage ratio during this call. Please refer to today's press release or our public filings for a full reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to net income and discussions of segment contribution margin, net debt and the net leverage ratio.

And with that, I will hand the call over to Bryan Shinn.

Thanks, Patricia, and good morning, everyone. We delivered another exceptional print in Q3, resulting in our best quarterly financial performance in the last 4 years. These tremendous results were driven by continued robust customer demand in both business segments and outstanding execution by our talented team.

We enjoyed a full quarter of price increases to fight inflationary impacts in our Industrial segment, realized greater contract coverage at improved prices in sand proppant and delivered further margin expansion in SandBox last mile logistics.

This resulted in sequentially higher revenue, earnings and strong cash generation across the company, affording us the opportunity to repurchase an additional $50 million of debt earlier this month.

So far this year, we have used our strong cash flow generation to repurchase a total of $150 million of debt and expect to generate substantial operating cash flow in the fourth quarter and in 2023, which should further strengthen our balance sheet and help us achieve our objective of meaningfully reducing net debt.

Don will discuss the details of Q3 performance in just a moment, but first, I'd like to review some of the important trends that we saw during the quarter.

In our Oil and Gas segment, the supply and demand balance was very tight in sand proppant and last mile logistics, and we remained effectively sold out due to strong well completion demand, particularly in West Texas. Spot prices range from approximately $40 to $50 per ton and our contract sand and SandBox sales prices and margins continue to expand.

During the third quarter, we achieved new business milestones in the month of August with record sand production in West Texas and record SandBox delivered loads.

With the current energy cycle anticipated to last for multiple years, our customers have been determined to secure sand supply and continue to sign attractive multiyear contracts. These contracts have recently included paying cash upfront in the form of a capacity reservation fee or CRF, the latest of which was signed a few weeks ago.

Overall, our Oil and Gas segment finished the quarter with positive momentum, and we expect continued underlying demand strength in the fourth quarter, balanced against the potential for weather disruptions and the level of holiday seasonality.

In our Industrial segment, customer demand remained robust across end users and market segments and third quarter results improved sequentially versus a very strong second quarter. Volumes persisted at record levels in Q3, and we reported the second highest contribution margin in segment history.

These strong results were driven by improved product mix, continued operational efficiency gains and the price increases and surcharges across all major product lines to combat inflation.

In September, we announced another round of price increases ranging from 9% to 20% for most of our non-contracted industrial products effective for shipments beginning November 1. And finally, many of our facilities continue to operate at record utilization rates to keep pace with industrial segment demand.

With the remainder of my time this morning, I want to give an update on a few of the exciting growth opportunities in our industrial portfolio and then finish with a summary of our outlook for the fourth quarter and for 2023.

New product innovation and the profitable growth of our industrial product portfolio remain important priorities for U.S. Silica. During the quarter, we had numerous successes and made further progress towards the expansion of future contribution margin dollars, including receiving our first purchase order for our newest patent pending white pigment product, ramping up sales of our diatomaceous earth filtration products into the renewable diesel market, signing a key purchase agreement for the first significant sale of our new high-purity filtration product, executing a long-term contract for our ultra-low iron silica that will support the increasing demand for U.S. solar panel glass manufacturing.

And finally, we have multiple customers across different markets inquiring about long-term contracts for diatomaceous service filtration and clay absorbent products. Given that the supply for both of these products is expected to be tight for the next several years.

Now let's turn to our business and market outlook for the fourth quarter, starting with oil and gas. Energy sector demand continues to be robust, and we remain effectively sold out with Q4 off to a really strong start. In fact, October is tracking to be our highest profitability month of 2022 so far.

Typically, we expect seasonally weaker demand in the back half of Q4 in the oilfield part of our business, but it's unclear to what extent this will happen in 2022. Meanwhile, we expect to continue securing new customer contracts at attractive pricing.

In our Industrial segment, demand continues to be strong in Q4 so far, and we're not experiencing specific economic-driven weakness. Historically, our Q4 profitability declines around 10% to 12% sequentially due to a combination of seasonal demand, customer facility maintenance and customer year-end inventory management. We expect the Q4 '22 profitability for Industrials will be in line with those historical norms.

Looking out to 2023, our Oil and Gas segment is in an excellent position for further sequential growth and cash generation. We're committed to efficiently running our operations and maximizing our production levels without adding incremental capacity.

Additionally, we believe that the industry forecasted 9% year-over-year proppant supply additions will be easily absorbed by the market as supply and demand is projected to remain tight. More importantly, our customers appear to believe this as well given the attractive multiyear contracts that we've signed recently.

We expect to continue to maintain competitive discipline and further enhance our strong reputation as a reliable low-cost sand and logistics provider. We believe that a combination of constructive crude oil pricing and strong sand proppant customer contract coverage and mix, coupled with higher SandBox margins will continue to generate significant free cash flow from operations in 2023 and help further strengthen our balance sheet.

Turning to our Industrial and Specialty Products segment. We are continuing to carefully evaluate a variety of factors to develop our 2023 outlook. Currently, our base case 2023 forecast is for increased sales volumes with improving margins. We have not yet seen meaningful indications of potential recessionary impacts, but obviously, there's a lot of noise in the market right now.

I'm encouraged that several key customers are relatively bullish regarding demand next year and that they are continuing to sign attractive long-term contracts with us.

While we will have more to say on our 2023 ISP outlook on the next earnings call, our focus remains on margin growth through a combination of new customer acquisition, new product development and productivity improvements, and we plan to continue to invest in high-return high certainty growth projects.

And with that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Don Merril, who will discuss our financial results in more detail. Don?

Thanks, Bryan, and good morning, everyone. As Bryan stated, we reported another strong quarter in Q3 as both of our segments were supported by robust customer demand, higher pricing, margin expansion and favorable product mix.

Compared to the prior quarter, total revenue increased 8% to $418.8 million. Adjusted EBITDA increased 10% to $102.7 million. Overall tons sold remained elevated but decreased marginally by 1% to 4.6 million tons. The total company contribution margin increased 7% to $131.8 million.

Selling, general and administrative expenses for the quarter decreased 3% sequentially to $33.9 million, driven mostly by lower insurance costs and stock-based compensation in the quarter.

Depreciation, depletion and amortization expense decreased 1% sequentially to total $34.5 million in the third quarter. Our effective tax rate for the quarter ended September 30, 2022, was 24%, including discrete items.

Now let me move on with a detailed review of our operating segment results. The Oil & Gas segment reported revenue of $267.5 million for the third quarter, an increase of 10% when compared to the second quarter. Volumes for the oil and gas segment decreased marginally by 1% compared to the prior quarter and totaled 3.5 million tons, while Sandbox delivered loads increased 9% compared to the prior quarter.

Segment contribution margin continued its expansion, improving 10% quarter-over-quarter to $85.3 million, which on a per ton basis was $24.38. These positive results were driven by ongoing strength in customer demand and improved pricing for both proppant and last mile logistics.

Our Industrial and Specialty Products segment revenues increased 5% sequentially to $151.4 million when compared with the second quarter. Volumes for the ISP segment were slightly higher compared to the prior quarter and totaled a new historical record of 1,126,000 tons. And segment contribution margin increased 1% on a sequential basis due to our continued inflation offsetting price increases, favorable product mix and operational efficiencies.

On a per ton basis, the contribution margin for the Industrial and Specialty Products segment increased 1% sequentially and totaled $41.32 per ton.

Turning to the cash flow statement. During the third quarter, we delivered $66.3 million of cash flow from operations, and we invested $11.1 million of capital primarily for facility maintenance and growth projects.

The company's cash and cash equivalents on September 30, 2022, totaled $267.1 million after completing a $100 million loan repurchase in July. At quarter end, our $100 million revolver had $0 drawn with $78.9 million available under the credit facility after allocating for letters of credit.

Our actions to strengthen the balance sheet have been successful. And at the end of the third quarter, our net debt to trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA ratio was 2.9x, already below our 2023 target of 3.0x levered.

Given our meaningful levels of free cash flow generated year-to-date, coupled with our internal projections for future operating cash flow, we seized the opportunity to once again repurchase a portion of our outstanding term loan earlier this month. This latest $50 million term loan repurchase was oversubscribed and our debt was retired at a discount to par utilizing cash on hand.

So far this year, we have repurchased a total of $150 million of our term loan, which we view as the best immediately accretive option of providing returns to our shareholders, especially considering the current rising interest rate environment.

Looking forward, we forecast that we will continue to generate robust operating cash flow for the remainder of the year, allowing us the flexibility to further delever our balance sheet.

We remain committed to organically funding our business growth, and we will continue to be disciplined in our capital spending, managing accordingly with an emphasis on effectively maintaining operating levels at our facilities and investing in selective growth projects for the ISP segment to maximize future profitability.

Our capital spending forecast for the full year remains in the range of $40 million to $50 million. We guide full year 2022 SG&A expenses to be up 15% to 20% year-over-year, primarily due to the supplier contract termination in the first quarter, merger and acquisition-related expenses for the strategic alternatives review in the first half of the year and other costs mostly related to increased activity and inflation.

Full year 2022 DD&A expense is still anticipated to decrease approximately 15% due to past investments, which became fully depreciated at the end of 2021. Our estimated effective tax rate for the full year 2022 is 23%.

In conclusion, our main priority is to continue strengthening our balance sheet by focusing on free cash flow generation. The pricing and contracting actions that we have taken are allowing the company to effectively manage inflation issues and provide visibility and stability for the future quarters for our 2 business segments.

For the remainder of this year and heading into 2023, we aim to balance our capital investments with cash flow, including further improving our net leverage ratio.

And with that, I'll turn the call back over to Bryan.

Thanks, Don. I'm very proud of the results that our team delivered in Q3, and we expect continued excellent performance in Q4. While strengthening our balance sheet and expanding our industrial product portfolio and profitability, we also continue to drive numerous initiatives to extend our market leading positions and pave the path to meaningful growth over the next 3 to 5 years.

With that, operator, will you please open the lines for questions.

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from the line of Stephen Gengaro with Stifel.

So I have 2 things for me, if you don't mind. The first would be, obviously, demand on the oil and gas front is good, is very good. When you look at your current capacity and efficiency of our facilities, what type of volumes can you deliver on a quarterly basis? I'm just trying to get a sense because obviously, this has been a good year. I'm just trying to get a sense of what kind of volume upside is there if the market remains as tight as it is?

It's a great question, Stephen. And as we said before, we're essentially sold out on our sand proppants right now. And we've got somewhere around 14.5%, maybe a little bit more million tons per year of capacity turned on. And so we're running pretty close to that rate right now.

So I don't see a lot of additional volume upside, at least from a nameplate perspective. That said, our teams are always sort of tinkering thinking about ways that we can do some incremental capacity squeezing out to make sure that we are able to satisfy our customer demand. So I'm sure our team will come up with some creative ideas. But basically, the capacity we have is sort of what we have, and we're pretty close to that right now.

Great. And you mentioned contract coverage, and obviously, pricing has been extremely good this year. When you look out into over the next 2 to 4 quarters, based on kind of what's embedded in your contract coverage, should contribution margins per ton in oil and gas continue to trend higher?

So if you look at our contract coverage, it's really interesting. I was just talking with our sales team about this the other day. And where we are right now, if you project that forward, say, into 2023, I believe that we've already got 85% to 90% of our capacity sold for 2023 and pushing upwards of 70% under contract for 2024. So we have really good visibility along the way here.

I would say that throughout the year, we've had increasing price on a quarterly basis. And if you look at this past quarter, for example, the prices were up just amazingly out there across all the basins, prices ranged up from about 5.5% to more than 30% across basins. So we had a lot of pricing tailwinds in Q3. And I think you can expect to see some of those embedded in future contracts.

Obviously, as we're signing contracts over the next couple of quarters and extending contracts, prices in some of those older contracts will be updated. So I feel like pricing will be a tailwind for us in the future.

Our next question comes from the line of Samantha Hoh from Evercore.

Congrats on the great quarter. Just to maybe continue the last line of questioning, but where are you seeing pricing go up more than 30%?

So we had a couple of basins where we saw that going up and Northern White sand was up a lot. This a big quarter for Northern White sand in terms of pricing. So a great job by our team negotiating contracts and getting those price increases out in the market.

Okay. Great. One of the things I've been thinking about lately was sand intensity per well. One of the big pressure pumper there spoke recently about how that trend is still going up. And I was just wondering how that impacts you guys when you think about what your customers are contracting for and how you think about the Sandbox business, for example? Are you guys tied to that trend like where you're capped or if the sand intensity keeps growing? like I mean, how do you think about that in terms of your capacity and how you grow with your customers?

It's a really, really timely question. We were just talking about this the other day, and it's actually a big advantage for us, quite frankly, particularly out in the Permian. If you think about what it takes to serve one of these gigantic wells with Simul-Frac these days, having a very large sand capacity and being able to do that whole well from one facility as we can do, say, with our Lamesa mine customers like that a lot, and it's one of the reasons that we've been getting some additional business out in the Permian. And also our SandBox solution has proved amazingly resilient.

I know initially, there were some doubters around whether SandBox could keep up with some of these high-intensity wells. But we've demonstrated that we can. And actually, customers are coming to us now because of that, some of the other solutions out in the market are proving to be not as effective for these big simul-frac. So it's really kind of a double advantage for us with our large capacity so in the Permian, backed up by SandBox.

Okay. And then I'd love to hear just a little bit more about just the solar glass part of your new product growth. You kind of outlined a bunch of different ones. But I think the one that kind of interest me the most these days are just solar panels and the growth of domestic manufacturing for that. So if you could just sort of share any more information on that product line?

Sure. No, it's a very interesting one as well. As we mentioned in prepared remarks, we just signed, actually extended a big contract with a key customer. And I think as I look at some of our planned growth in the industrial business, solar panels is one of the very interesting areas.

We have a really low iron silica today that our customers like a lot. And the reason that's important is that if you use low iron silica to make the glass for the solar panels it basically increases the solar at transmissivity based to make the solar panels more efficient.

So we're currently -- we project in about 50% of new solar panel manufacturing here in the U.S. through the glass, as we said. And the funding provided by the Inflation Reduction Act, I think will turbocharge a lot of the solar capacity in the U.S. And some of the data I've seen recently indicate that solar installations are going to be up somewhere in the neighborhood of 60% to 70% in the coming years. So I think that's really a good tailwind for us in the business.

But similarly, on the sort of renewable energy side, we're big in wind energy as well, turn about 80% of U.S. wind turbine blades today. And the domestic wind energy is the industry is projected to double by 2026. So, a lot of really interesting tailwinds for us on the renewable energy side, Samantha.

For delivery for those type of products, are you going to be making deliveries and sales, I mean, well before installation begins? What sort of -- I mean, I'm just trying to time the growth in terms of the delivery of your products versus when we would expect installation and growth of those capacity?

So if you think about what we're doing, we're making the glass that has to go into the assembly of the panels to protect the photovoltaic cells, so obviously, well before the installs. So I think we'll see the positivity for that probably 6 to 12 months before the actual solar panels get installed out on someone's house, for example.

Our next question comes from the line of Derek Podhaizer from Barclays.

I wanted to hit on the fourth quarter a little bit more. You talked about the typical seasonality between weather and some holiday slowdowns. It sounds like budget exhaustion won't be much of an issue this quarter relative to last. Just wondering if you can just talk about that, what you're seeing this fourth quarter versus last fourth quarter. And maybe help frame us what that short-term air pocket could mean from a contribution margin or contribution margin per ton perspective for oil and gas?

And then separately, if there is no budget exhaustion and things remain pretty tight, what does that mean for the first quarter recovery that typically comes off at a little bit slower start, but now it seems like we might get a pretty strong snapback just given that fourth quarter is not as light as it typically is? Just your thoughts around that would be helpful.

Sure, Derek. It's very interesting and a bit sort of off trend, quite honestly, what we're seeing in the oilfield business right now, October is coming in super strong. And I think October might be our strongest month of the year to date anyway.

So we're watching that very carefully. And I do agree with you that we haven't heard much right to this point around budget exhaustion. So that doesn't seem to be a factor this year. It feels more like in terms of fourth quarter potential headwinds for us and really for the whole oilfield industry, it's more about weather in certain locations and then what happens around the holidays. So I think that's probably overall a positive.

I think that as we finished 2022 here, we continue to see very strong demand, obviously, for our products and services into the oilfield. So I think that's going to be positive. I also believe that Q1 is going to start off strong. If you look at our earnings last year and I think most companies' earnings, they were a bit lower in Q1 and then have ramped up throughout the year. It seems to me like we'll probably start off much stronger in Q1 of next year.

And also, as we kind of think about all these things, there's lots of ways to look at it, lots of experts out there and people with opinions on what's going to happen. And I tend to pay more attention to what our customers say, but more importantly, what they do. And what our customers have been doing is coming to us, wanting to sign multiyear long-term contracts at very attractive pricing. So that tells me that customers believe that things are going to be tight and I would expect a good start to 2023 as a result of that.

Got you. And does that insulate you for many headwinds in the fourth quarter or just considering a bit of the spot might drive earnings down a little? Just could you help give us any color around where you could see contribution margin going in the fourth quarter?

So I think that there's obviously some insulation there. Historically, though, we do see Q4 down a little bit, not just in the oil and gas side, but obviously in our industrial business as well. So there always tends to be a bit of seasonality there. So if we just have a kind of a normal year, we might see sand down slightly in Q4.

But boy, it started off pretty strong right now. So we're waiting and watching to see exactly how demand plays out, and we're obviously poised and ready to serve customers at whatever level they need.

Got you. Great. That's encouraging. And then just a quick one on ISP. In your opening comments, I know you talked about how you're not really seeing the indicators right now with this macro recession, but obviously, it's still looming out there. And I think previously, you talked about how you might be one of the more last to know just given where you are in the supply chain. Can you just help us what would be that canary in the coal mine as far as ISP and actually seeing the recessionary risk weigh on your contribution margins, weigh on your earnings? I know right now, everything looks great, but what are the signals that you're looking for that would make you think differently about the profitability profile as we move in '23?

So again, I think it goes back to our customers, and we're diving in pretty deeply at our customers, not just with the sort of normal kind of sourcing contacts that we might have. But we're mining much deeper kind of senior-level contacts to really understand what might be happening in their supply chains.

And so to me, that's the thing that we're studying very carefully to make sure that, as you said, in certain supply chains, we're pretty far down the chain. So we might be a little bit late to the party understanding what's happening in that chain. So we're doing everything we can to make sure that, that doesn't happen and that we have as good a visibility as we can possibly have.

And in the meantime, we are continuing to think about if something does occur, if there is some slowdown or indication of a slowdown, what actions do we take. And the good news is that it's pretty much the same playbook we had in 2020 when things slowed down very rapidly because of the pandemic. So we know what to do. We know how to take out costs. We know how to deal with that. We have the playbook ready. And if we see any signs of weakening or softening, we'll pull that playbook off the shelf and start to implement.

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Kutz with Morgan Stanley.

Congrats on the quarter, everyone.

Thanks, Dan.

So I just wanted to revisit some of your comments on the oil and gas supply picture, both from the macro and I guess, Stephen's questions on silica capacity. I just wanted to confirm that the about 4.5 million tons is kind of that's the ceiling X. I guess you guys said that there could be some tinkering that there could be some upside around the margin. But I just wanted to confirm that, that's all this kind of contemplated or available from a silica capacity perspective?

And then from an industry perspective, I just wanted to confirm, I think I caught a 9% supply growth from earlier. And I want to confirm that that's a 2022 industry supply growth number. And I guess, just give your thoughts on where you think industry supply all that trends come here, anything that you're seeing on that side of the market?

So regarding our capacity, the 14.5 million tons is correct. And as we talked about the kind of margin -- at the margins, the type of thing where, well, if we have to replace a pump, if you increase the capacity, put it in a new pump that's 10% more or something you can squeeze a little bit out. It's those kind of things that we'll continue to look at. No substantial incremental sort of on-purpose capacity increase investments contemplated at this point.

And in terms of the industry capacity, that 9% was a 2023 number. So that's increased from 2022 to 2023. And that 9% translates into something like 10 million tons, plus or minus, of capacity. And we tend to look, obviously, capacity and demand. And based on what we see on the demand side, we think that capacity increase, that projected increase will be easily absorbed into the market.

And in terms of the source of that, it's a couple of third-party data points and our own work, just kind of understanding what's happening in the industry, Dan.

Great. That's really helpful, and appreciate that outlook. So just, I guess, Don, going back to some of the comments you made about delevering the debt retirement that you guys have done this year. I mean, you flagged that you've already hit your interim leverage target of 3x as of the end of the third quarter and kind of debt retirement has been the most attractive use of free cash flow from you guys' perspective so far.

How are you guys thinking about that moving forward, kind of the -- given that interest rates are increasing the calculus between whether to look at opportunities to maybe [refi] and extend the maturity of the 2025 one? Or just kind of continue taking bites out of it with the cash that you generate?

Yes. Look, we're really pleased with the cash flow profile of the company today. And we took the opportunity to buy back debt, delever the company. And again, it was at a discount to par between the 2, I think it was roughly $5 million worth of savings from a par versus what we bought it back at.

So I think it is very attractive for us to continue to do that if we can do it at something less than par. The IRRs on that are very good in an interest rate environment. Today, our interest rate is about 7.7%. So the more we can pay off, the better off we're going to be going forward.

Now having said that, we also have some attractive investments, obviously, on the growth side of ISP. So we're kind of -- we're analyzing that all the time. Bryan and I have this discussion all the time on where the best place to put the money along with the Board. So I think you'll see continued net debt leverage to go down and opportunistically buying back some debt to reduce the gross leverage.

Our next question comes from the line of John Daniel with Daniel Energy.

Just curious, I think you mentioned that 85% or 90% of the volumes for next year are committed. Do you have a sense as to where that goes? I mean, I'm just trying to get a feel for how you see activity outside the Permian next year.

So we do, obviously, we have several contracts with various customers. And I don't see a big shift in activity compared to where we are today. Probably the biggest thing we saw this year was that some of the basins out west, the DJ, et cetera, have picked up a bit with Northern White sand, and we have seen prices increase going out west some.

But in terms of the fundamental split, I still feel like the Permian will be somewhere in the 50% to 55% range in terms of the volumes and then it's divided up amongst the other basins pretty much the way it is today.

Okay. So nothing to suggest one basin and see a step change higher next year?

No, we really haven't seen that based on the customer contracts that we signed.

Okay. And forgive me for asking what I'm sure all the other people don't doubt and know. But remind me what happens under the typical contract if a committed customer can't take the sand for an operational issue, such as a well incident or just any other job-related inefficiency? How do you guys get protected?

So, there's no provision in the contracts for those type of things. And the customers are on the hook in these contracts to either take the sand or typically pay a penalty. And we also have a number of contracts that we've signed that are kind of the latest generation capacity reservation fee contract.

So basically, customers are paying -- kind of paying the penalty upfront, and then we give it back to them on a quarterly basis as they purchase tons. But we just signed the latest one a couple of weeks ago and got upfront money from a customer. So those are the most secure contracts, and we have several of those now.

And it feels like this whole question around what happens in take-or-pay contracts is has been somewhat resolved over the last few years. There's been several lawsuits and settlements. And in every case, including one we had that was the big one, the sand companies have come out kind of victorious in that. So I feel like customers are pretty much well aware of what they're signing up for these days, and we don't get into a lot of arguments and discussions anymore around paying penalties.

Got it. Fair enough. Okay. Last one, Don, a non-sand question. But can you give us your views on just the -- what you see in the commercial bank market these days for [OFS], any signs some of the banks are -- that may have stopped calling you or not calling you again? Or just give us an update?

Yes. The banks are calling, right? And we're constantly looking at the market for an attractive time to get in and look at a refi on our loan. The market is a little choppy right now for a lot of reasons. But we've got a couple of things working for us, right?

We just got -- we got an upgrade from Moody's not too long ago. We have the industrial side of the business, though they don't necessarily look at us as an OFS company. So, and folks like the story a lot. And the more cash flow that we're driving, the more we can drive down debt, the more banks get interested in talking to us.

So I think things will get a lot more active here as we roll into the first quarter. But right now, it's not the most opportune time to go out there, but I think things will turn around as we get into the New Year.

(Operator Instructions) There are no further questions in the queue. I'd like to hand the call back to management for closing remarks.

Thank you very much, operator. First, I want to say thanks to my approximately 2,000 colleagues around U.S. Silica for all their hard work and dedication to make 2022 what looks like an outstanding year here with strong sales, profitability, above expectations, great cash generation and meaningful improvements in numerous areas of ESG.

Second, I want to reaffirm, as came up a couple of times on the call here regarding capacity that we are committed to market and capital discipline. And we're also delivering big time on our promise to further strengthen our balance sheet. And we expect to continue to sustainably generate significant positive cash flow from operations next year as we talked about a bit on the call as well.

And finally, as we look ahead, we remain confident that our industry leading business segments, robust product portfolio, focused strategy, best-in-class execution and continued emphasis on creating a diverse and inclusive culture here at U.S. Silica will deliver substantial value for our shareholders and other stakeholders.

Thank you again for joining our call today, and we look forward to speaking with you all again next quarter. Stay safe and be well.

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