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  • Operator

  • Welcome, everyone to the Silicon Laboratories third quarter earnings conference call. All participants have been placed in a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) This conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, please disconnect at this time.

  • I would now like to introduce Ms. Shannon Pleasant. Thank you, ma'am, you may begin.

  • - Director of Corporate Communications

  • Good morning, this is Shannon Pleasant, Director of Corporate Communications for Silicon Laboratories. Thank you for joining us today to discuss the Company's financial results. The financial press release, reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures and other financial measurement tables are now available on the investor page of our website at www.Silabs.com. This call is being simulcast and will be archived on our web site. There will also be a telephone replay available approximately one hour after the completion of the call at 866-513-1237.

  • I am joined today by Necip Sayiner, President and Chief Executive Officer; Bill Bock, Chief Financial Officer; and Paul Walsh, Chief Accounting Officer. We will discuss our financial results and review our business activities for the quarter. We will have a question-and-answer session following the presentation.

  • Before we begin, let me comment regarding the Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Our comments and presentation today will include forward-looking statements or projections that involve substantial risks and uncertainties. We base these forward-looking statements on information available to us as of the date of this conference call. This information will likely change over time. By discussing our current perception of our market and the future performance of Silicon Laboratories and our products with you today, we are not undertaking an obligation to provide updates in the future. There are a variety of factors that we may not be able to accurately predict or control that could have a material, adverse effect on our business, operating results and financial condition. We encourage you to review our SEC filings, including the Form 10-Q that we anticipate will be filed today that identify important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any forward-looking statements.

  • Also the non-GAAP financial measurements which are discussed today are not intended to preplace of presentation of Silicon Laboratories' GAAP results. We are providing this information because it may enable investors to perform meaningful comparisons of operating results and more clearly highlight the results of core ongoing operations.

  • I would now like to turn the call over to Silicon Laboratories Chief Financial Officer, Bill Bock.

  • - CFO

  • I'm very pleased to report revenue of $125.9 million for the quarter, at the high end of our revised guidance range. This represents an increase of over 10% compared to our peak revenue performance in the same period last year. This record-breaking quarter exceeded expectations on all fronts, delivering exceptional margin and earnings performance as well as very strong cash flow.

  • Let me first cover the GAAP results, which include approximately $11 million in non-cash stock compensation charges. Third quarter GAAP gross margin increased considerably to 64.4% of revenue. R&D investment for the period was $25.9 million. SG&A increased to $28.6 million. Other income principally interest income on invested cash was under $1 million. GAAP operating income was a record 21.1%. And fully diluted earnings per share was $0.47, more than doubling from the second quarter.

  • For investors focused solely on GAAP measures, these results demonstrate that our business model drives considerable leverage to the bottom line, inclusive of stock compensation. And these non-cash stock charges are declining as a percent of revenue, a trend we expect to continue over the next several years.

  • Turning now to our non-GAAP results, revenue of $125.9 million was up more than 20% sequentially and 50% above where we started the year in Q1. The better than peak revenue performance was driven by strength at Tier 1 customers in our broadcast business, and an excellent recovery in our MCU business. Non-GAAP gross margin was 64.7%, a 220 basis point improvement over the prior quarter. This quarter's result includes some one-time favorable variances, but was principally derived from continued cost reductions, improved test yields, and outstanding performance from our operations team. We expect gross margin will continue to be excellent, and will hold at or above 63% for the foreseeable future. We are particularly proud of this accomplishment given this year's economic environment.

  • Operating expenses as a percent of revenue decreased significantly sequentially to 35% of revenue, an improvement of more than 5 percentage points. On an absolute basis, operating expenses increased due to our resumption of selective hiring and higher variable compensation. Specifically, R&D investment increased by $1 million to $23 million, or 18.3% of revenue. And SG&A expense increased by a similar amount to $20.6 million or 16.4% of revenue. Operating expenses are expected to increase again modestly in the fourth quarter, primarily in R&D. The very strong performance resulted in 30% operating income, a truly outstanding result.

  • Other income in the period was under $1 million and is expected to remain at this level. Relative to our revised guidance, net income and EPS were further enhanced by a lower tax rate of 16.5%. This was due to a one-time release of a tax reserve position established in 2005, as the statute of limitations has expired on that tax year. We expect our fourth quarter average effective tax rate to be slightly below 20%. Net income therefore increased to $31.9 million, or 25.4% of revenue for the quarter, resulting Q3 diluted earnings per share was $0.67.

  • Moving on to the balance sheet, accounts receivable were actually down slightly, and ended at $61.5 million or 44 days outstanding. We have no known collection or bad debt problems. Inventory levels increased sequentially to $33.5 million as we supported the increased level of demand from our customers. Turns for the quarter were 5.3, within our target range. Channel inventory was also up in anticipation of strong fourth quarter demand. We continue to believe the supply chain is lean and in good balance. We expect year-end inventories will be approximately flat with Q3 ending balances.

  • The quarter also exhibited tremendous cash generation with cash flows from operations totaling $52 million. When combined with the quarter of minimal share repurchase activity, the result is a climb in our cash balance to over $400 million. As we entered this extremely uncertain year, we embarked on a conservative cash management strategy and have built our balance sheet to enviable levels. Given our increased confidence in the business, we have received from our Board of Directors a new stock repurchase authorization, designed to allow us to offset stock compensation dilution, and to return cash to shareholders. We have a new $150 million authorization in place through the end of 2010. We expect to be in the market as selective purchasers during the course of this period.

  • Our business is poised to achieve record performance in 2009 on a number of levels, giving us a very solid foundation for 2010 and the ability to continue to invest for growth in 2011 and beyond.

  • I'll now turn the call over to Necip to discuss the results in more detail. Necip.

  • - President and CEO

  • Hello, everyone. As you just heard we had a tremendous quarter. We made progress on a number of key fronts, customer diversification, market share growth and new products. I'll touch on each of these as we cover the different businesses.

  • Starting with the access business, Q3 was down sequentially by about 8%, due primarily to an expected slowdown in set-top box and voice over DSL gateway demand. Shipments in to point of sale and infrastructure equipment offset this to some degree. Our performance in this business compared to the large double-digit year-over-year declines of our two primary competitors, supports our internal view that we have gained about 300 basis points of share in the last 12 to 18 months. These share gains on the modem side are coming from set-top box and point-of-sale wins in Europe.

  • On the voice side, our recently introduced ProSLIC products are successfully winning designs among top tier customers and helping to establish beach heads in new accounts, including leading OEMs, and ODMs in China. We're also benefiting from the trend towards integration of voice-over-IP into data and content delivery equipment for a digital home. Ideal for our highly integrated small footprint solutions.

  • Our RF business, which represented about 40% of revenue in Q3, had a very strong quarter, growing nearly 40% year-over-year. Strong Tier 1 customer demand for the audio products was the highlight of the quarter as our largest customer moved aggressively to gain share, and we added new major customers that began to ramp. Some investors have been concerned that the audio business will begin to decline in 2010. To the contrary, we expect our business to grow again next year.

  • In handsets, we have held off integration threats, and have grown our volume and revenue by gaining share in a growing market fueled by higher attach rates. We now have nearly 30% share, owing to the value and performance of our solutions. We expect share gains will moderate over time, especially the large customer like Samsung, which has awarded us an unusually high percentage of their business, and we recognize the competitive dynamic as a long-term challenge. However, we continue to secure design wins at a rate consistent with our dominant share at this customer, and do not yet see any basis for share declines. Samsung significantly increased demand for FM tuners for handsets in Q3, contributing to a 50% plus sequential increase in tuner revenue.

  • Outside of Samsung, we added two marquee names to our FM tuner customer list in Q3. One is a leader in portable media players, and the other is a leader in mobile handsets. Ramps at these new customers will partially offset the sequential decline we'll see in Q4 as Samsung manages their year-end inventories, but more importantly will provide a sound basis for growth into next year.

  • And then there is the AM/FM piece of the business, which now exceeds 10% of audio revenue. I projected earlier in the year that our AM/FM revenue would double in 2009. It turns out that forecast was conservative, and we will do better as we are seeing a significant revenue increase in the second half. The trajectory looks good for 2010 as well, with many more design wins slated to ramp in the coming quarters.

  • I'm also very pleased with the prospects for the video business. The customer evaluations of our TV tuner are going well, and we have a number of design ins with top TV OEMs and module makers in Japan and Korea. It is worth noting that we are not aware of a single design loss to date to another silicon tuner in a hybrid TV. These designs are expected to generate modest revenue throughout 2010, and we're continuing to compete for fall 2010 models. This is the beginning of what we believe will be the proliferation of our silicon tuner technology into a broad set of customers. We are positioned well, as large customers bedin to deploy our tuner in a few select models, gain experience, develop shipping history, and then ramp the technology more universally in 2011.

  • The short-range wireless product revenue continued its steady growth in this third quarter. We have identified a significant competitive advantage with the combination of our low-power MCUs and world class radio receivers. We have been working on a road map to integrate the devices, offering an even more compelling solution for security, home automation and smart metering customers. We believe this new integrated device will accelerate adoption of our solution at a critical inflection point in the market when governments globally are subsidizing large-scale upgrades to the energy infrastructure.

  • Moving to the broad-based business, it was up nearly 30% sequentially, and 15% year-over-year, resulting in record revenue levels. Power, timing and MCU all grew sequentially. Beginning with the power product, we're successfully displacing incumbent opto coupler technology with our digital isolators. We're nearing 100 design wins for our new ISOpro isolators this year, and are having particularly success in industrial and test and measurement applications. We also added new design wins in power over ethernet during the quarter at our top customer. As the chief editor of the newly ratified PoE plus standard, Silicon Labs has made a significant technical contribution to the next generation of power over ethernet technology, which is expected to extend PoE into higher power systems such as 802.11N, wireless access points, WiMAX equipment, and security and surveillance systems. We expect to have new products supporting this standard in the very near future.

  • The timing business had another record quarter. We introduced new oscillator and card families optimized for video broadcast applications that should allow us to more quickly build up on our early success in that market. Design wins are accelerating as large customers gain experience with the technology and proliferate our products through out their systems. With an active R&D pipeline, and more new products to choose up, we're probably expanding faster in this area than any of our broad-based product lines. We see no hurdles to continued growth, based on current design momentum.

  • The MCU business rebounded in a big way in Q3, achieving record revenue with greater than 30% sequential growth, and 9% year-over-year growth. Several of our competitors are talking about share gains while posting year-over-year quarterly revenue declines. We feel good about backing our claims with actual results. Customer demand improved across the board with a significant part of the recovery coming from customers shipping into consumer and industrial applications like digital cameras, battery chargers, portable medical devices and touch screens.

  • With five out of our eight product lines posting record revenue in Q3, 2009 is shaping up to be a very good year for us. We're enjoying record revenue and profitability, ramps at new strategic customers, and a record number of new product introductions. For the fourth quarter, we expect our broad-based business to be up again, led by continued strength in MCUs and we expect our access business to be flat to slightly up. After the aggressive ramp in Q3, we expect the RF business to be down due to the pause in Samsung demand, which will not be entirely offset by the ramps at new customers. We therefore expect revenue to be $124 million to $129 million, a 25% to 30% increase over the same period last year. In aggregate, our second half revenue is projected to be up by nearly 20% versus the second half of 2008, a clear indicator of the share gains we're achieving across the board. We're accomplishing those share gains without a compromise to our margins, and as Bill mentioned we're currently expecting gross margin to remain strong at 63% to 64%.

  • We anticipate fourth quarter operating expenses will be up slightly sequentially. On a GAAP basis, we're projecting $0.40 to $0.43, and on a non-GAAP basis, excluding stock-compensation expense, we expect fourth quarter earnings of $0.60 to $0.63.

  • Before I turn the call over to you for questions, I want to highlight the strategic product announcement we made today. In addition to the strength of our established product lines, we have talked about four brand new growth factors this year -- media, timing, wireless, and power. I want to add another to that group. Today's announcement of a suite of sensing products targeted at human interface applications is the next high-potential product line in our mix. Our Quick Sense portfolio enables interaction with electronics through touch and intuitive gestures. We are the first in the industry to offer both infrared sensing technology and high-performance MCU-based touch sense capability in the same portfolio. All with industry-leading accuracy and response. Ideal for portable consumer and industrial products, the new ICs are supported by a common development environment, making it straightforward for customers to add human interface technology to their products.

  • This first phase of this new infrared and touch sense product line, includes the F700 touch sense MCU family announced earlier this year, the new infra red proximity and ambient light sensors, and F800 touch sense MCU family introduced today, and a family of touch screen controllers that we'll be sampling in the first quarter. These products address more than a billion unit market opportunity and are differentiated by the type of innovative IP you would expect from Silicon Labs. A combination of the decade of infrared experience we gained through the acquisition of Integration Associates, and our own unique patent-pending approach to touch sense, we have developed a compelling value proposition and a road map difficult for our competitors to duplicate. We're very excited about the potential of these new products, which are poised to follow the successful formula we have consistently delivered. Leverage our analog mixed signal know-how to deliver a destructive solution in established market and rapidly gain share. We expect the new products will begin contributing to revenue late in 2010.

  • We would now like to take your questions. Shannon?

  • - Director of Corporate Communications

  • Thank you, Necip. We will now open the call for the question and answer session. So that we can accommodate questions from as many people as possible before the market opens, please limit your questions to one with one follow-up. Operator, please review the question and answer instructions for our call participants.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Our first question today is from Craig Ellis. You may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Caris & Company. Thank for taking the question and congratulations on the results. Bill, can you clarify the one-time benefits that you mentioned in the gross margin line in the quarter?

  • - CFO

  • Sure, Craig. We had some accounting adjustments in the quarter that helped boost margins above the 64% level. That is why my guidance for the fourth quarter and looking forward is in the 63% to 64% range.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then as we think about the target margin model of the Company, Bill, how would you guide us to think about that, given the margins that you are currently achieving on the gross and the operating line?

  • - CFO

  • I think that we are at the moment just very pleased and proud of the performance of the business. We are above our model on gross margin by 2 to 3 percentage points. We're also above our target on operating income by a full 5 percentage points in this quarter. I think we will continue to enjoy above-model performance in the fourth quarter, and we're in the process of developing our plan for 2010, which also looks quite strong to us right now. I think that we will retain our business model as a multi-year target for the Company as we move in to 2010, so we have no plans to make a formal change, but we're certainly pleased with the fact that we are outperforming today.

  • - Analyst

  • Excellent, and then if I could follow up with Necip on a product question. Necip, it sounds like you are getting increased customer diversity on the FM tuner side of the business. Can you talk a little bit about the way the OEM balance could shake out as you look at design ends now for what that could mean in 2010?

  • - President and CEO

  • Certainly. We continue to get design wins with large handset customers and consumer audio customers, but we are also winning designs across the board, particularly with ODMs in greater china with our AM/FM products. We have become the product of choice in that region for a variety of end products, including AM/FM, as well as some home theater system wins with household names, large OEMs in Japan and Korea. So I don't have a specific breakout of how large OEM versus smaller customer revenue will shape up for 2010, but I'm very pleased to see the number of design wins in our broader-based business within audio.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Alex Gauna, you may ask your question, and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, JMP Securities. You mentioned good comfort that your audio business is going to be up next year. In that kind of low visibility environment, can you give a little more color on why you have that confidence, and what is going to drive either customers or new platforms, that growth?

  • - President and CEO

  • We are ramping in second half of 2009 two large customers with our FM tuners. We expect that business will continue to support growth for the audio business in 2010, but perhaps more importantly to Craig's earlier question, we continue to diversify our customer base significantly in this business, AM/FM business in particular. And that will be more than doubling in 2009. Will continue its growth trajectory in 2010 based on the design and momentum we see and enjoy today. So based on all of these and even taking into account the uncertainties that you allude to, especially in the short product cycle segments like handsets, we feel confident that we can grow the audio revenue year-over-year in 2010.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. You mentioned that you had strong timing results here. Is there any way you can differentiate between what might be the rising tide of the networking market, versus your new design wins contributing? And maybe how far are we into bringing to market all of the design wins you are getting in timing?

  • - President and CEO

  • I would argue that we are still in the early innings of our growth story in timing. The revenue that we drive from oscillators and clocks both grew approximately 30% year-over-year. We continue to bring to market new products. We are adding tens of new customers every quarter. We're getting hundreds of new design wins every quarter. And as importantly, we also continue to proliferate inside large customers. One anecdotal example I can provide for you is a recent business review we had with one of our large networking infrastructure customers, where we now have 35 distinct products that they are utilizing, compared to only 18, 12 months earlier. So not only we are continuing to get new design wins and adding new customers, but also expanding our business with the existing customers.

  • - Analyst

  • All right. Thank you, congratulations on a strong quarter.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Tore Svanberg, you may ask your question and please state your company

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, Thomas Weisel Partners. First question is, if you look at RF you expect a pause there in Q4, and you talked about some inventory adjustment with Samsung. Is that just a seasonal adjustment, do you expect it to be over in Q4, or is there anything beyond that?

  • - President and CEO

  • This sort of ordering pattern is not unique to this year for Samsung. In prior years we have seen similar trends where their business with us in 3Q is higher than in 4Q. This year it is amplified further for two reasons. One, the volumes are significantly higher now due to our continued success at this customer and higher attach rates of FM tuner functionality into handsets. And secondly, our customer had some specific needs and goals this year that we supported them with. So on a sequential basis, you see a reduction in 4Q, but overall the volume of business for us at this customer for the second half is significantly higher than what I would have projected only 90 days ago.

  • - Analyst

  • My second question is on your new human interface product line, how should we view this from a competitive landscape? You mentioned some strong IP mixing and architecture and so on, but is this where you actually have very high integration using a vanilla CMOS process to potentially gain significant share in this market?

  • - President and CEO

  • I think the differentiation comes not only from the mix-signal capability you alluded to, but also our ability to offer a comprehensive portfolio to our customers, not just MCU-based capacity fencing, which has become an arguably crowded space, but also to couple that with infrared and ambient light-sensing products. We believe that we have a significantly better solution in terms of power efficiency, and I don't mean just 2X or 3X better, I'm talking about orders of magnitude better due to the approach that we have taken. And with our infrared sensing products, we offer a much longer range as well as some very unique features, such as proximity sensing that I think our competitors will be hard-pressed to duplicate.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you. Great quarter.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Adam Benjamin, you may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Jefferies. Thanks, guys. Necip, I know we are getting to the end of the year, and typically you've in the past have talked about growth potential on a year-over-year basis. You talked about some of the businesses. I wonder if you can give us some better view into 2010, as we're getting near the end here, and what you are thinking about each one of the main three businesses and how we should be thinking about year-over-year growth given the incremental opportunities you have and you talked about? Thanks.

  • - President and CEO

  • I think in terms of providing full-year growth targets, I'm going to wait until January to get a little bit more visibility into our design win traction with various product lines. I have already talked about the audio, but I can give you a sense for 2010 in this regard that I think a significant portion of our growth into 2010 will come from our broad-based products. That's all I can tell you at this point.

  • - Analyst

  • Got you.. And just a follow-up, as you look at Samsung that you talked about having an inventory adjustment typically in Q4, and then you have a big portable audio customer ramping in Q4, offsetting some of that decline, as you look out into Q1, how should we be thinking about those two meshing together? Should we be thinking about better than normal seasonality on the handset side, obviously offset by a bigger decline on the portable audio side, which is typical of their production? If you can give some better color there as to what you are thinking about, that would be helpful.

  • - President and CEO

  • Okay. That's a great question. Compared to a couple of years ago, and I'm going to refrain from comparing it to 1! of last year for obviously reasons, compared to two years ago, I think we have higher exposure to consumer and high-end consumer in our business as those businesses that are serving the consumer segment have grown above and beyond the corporate average. So from that perspective, I would expect the seasonality in Q1 to be stronger than prior years. However, you have pointed out that we are ramping some major customers as we speak, so that will provide a balance to that stronger seasonality. We'll have to wait a little longer, and see how the holiday season goes before being able to provide a more precise color on the trend in Q1, Adam.

  • - Analyst

  • Got you. Thanks a lot, guys.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Terrence Whalen, you may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, with Citi Investment Research and Analysis. Thanks for taking my question. The first one relates to inventory levels and distributor inventory levels. We saw the increase there, I think you said to support the growth into 4Q. Do you expect inventories heading into 1Q in the distribution channel to then decline after holding level in the fourth quarter? And related to that, do you expect OEMs to grow less than distributors in fourth quarter or more? Thanks.

  • - CFO

  • The general story on inventories is that the growth that you have seen from the midpoint of the year to today is to support this fairly dramatic increase in overall demand that we're seeing across the board. We have guided fourth quarter revenues and we think the current level of inventory is appropriate to support that. Consequently, we think inventory both within our own company and in distribution will be relatively flat as we exit the year. Typical seasonality patterns, and this is certainly supported by our distribution business in consumer, would suggest that there is some falloff in demand in first quarter, so it is not unreasonable to think that inventories would actually decline in March.

  • - Analyst

  • And then in the fourth quarter, do you expect distributors or OEMs to grow more or is it a pretty balanced outlook?

  • - CFO

  • I think it's pretty balanced. The expectations we have for our distribution business in fourth quarter is quite good.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then my follow-up would be to Necip's point. Necip, I think in your prior response you said, regarding first quarter revenue outlook, and the degree to which that might be seasonally down, you would have to wait to see how the holiday season went. Maybe if you could name two or three specific indicators that we should be watching for to gain an assessment of the degree to which 1Q might be seasonally down? Thanks.

  • - President and CEO

  • I think the biggest variance we'll see will come from handsets and portable media players.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks, and nice job. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Craig Berger, you may ask your question, and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Good morning, nice job on the results. You guys have been pretty conservative over the last few quarters, and you have ended up tracking ahead, both on revenues and gross margins. My question is kind of what kind of backlog coverage are you assuming for Q4? How is guidance versus your orders this quarter versus, say, in the last couple of quarters? Thank you.

  • - President and CEO

  • In our guidance, we have continued to take a conservative view of demand this quarter. We certainly did not lean forward in terms of what the demand might be in the uncertain month of December. I think there is an overall level of caution with our customers while trying to capture share in their end markets. I've had an opportunity to visit with a number of our customers over the last several weeks, and I would characterize their mood as having one foot on the gas pedal, and one foot on the brake. They all want to continue to capture the share of the holiday season, but are wary of the inventory situation that caught them off guard last year. So we are monitoring this very closely, and I think offering the best guidance we can with the information we have today.

  • - Analyst

  • And just a separate question, your micro controller business, ramping quite nicely. I know you guys have various product families that you have rolled out in recent years. How far into the ramp are we in some of those families? How much growth is still left ahead of us? Thank you.

  • - President and CEO

  • So to give you some color on the MCU business, if I compare the revenue in third quarter to the same period last year, we see an increase in our broad-based small-phone factor MCUs. We have seen an increase in one-time programmable devices. We have seen an increase in revenue in our USB products that are targeted towards consumer. The only area that hasn't yet caught up to the peak revenue is precision mixing of MCUs, which have a heavier exposure to industrial markets. I think all of the products that we've brought to market in the last few months, low-power MCUs have been somewhat slower to ramp than we had projected at the time. But it is starting to ramp nicely especially with the metering applications today. I think the growth trajectory for MCU looks good for the near future.

  • - Analyst

  • And then last one for Bill -- thanks for the color, Necip -- I may have missed it, but tax rate going forward?

  • - CFO

  • We had a 16.5% tax rate, which is below our standard in the third quarter, due to the conclusion of the statute of limitations on 2005. I think, looking forward, our general guidance is approximately 20%, and we should be slightly below that in Q4.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks so much.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Arnab Chanda , you may ask your question, and please state your company

  • - Analyst

  • Roth Capital, thank you. Couple questions. One, Necip, if you want to talk a little more about the video product line. What are your expectations? I know you have a couple of products there, TV, as well as outside of TV. What are you seeing with the (inaudible) product, a video product, and tuner product, and what sort of expectations should we have for next year? Thank you.

  • - President and CEO

  • I think in the last 90 days we made reasonably good progress with our customers in securing some design wins. Those are primarily with module makers, where we won the design, and they are going through the qualification process with the TV OEM before we can start ramping it. I expect there are three or four models that we have won to date, and those will start ramping throughout 2010, a couple of them in the first half of the year. What the customers are doing is to allocate as few select models to silicon tuners. Given this is a new technology, they want to take it slow. They want to gain some experience with this new technology, have some shipping history. And then turn on the technology to a much larger portion of their volumes in subsequent of years. Several customers I have spoken to suggest they have an internal mandate to start using silicon tuners on their products to be able to continue to drive cost down, and now that we are able to offer a solution that meets their performance expectations, that has become much more viable.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. And one other question about the audio product lines. What is your rough mix today with handset versus non-handset? And I know you talked about the potential of integration. What type of time frame do you think that's something we should look out for, and do you think that by that time the rest of your business will catch up? The other thing about audio is whether AM/FM somewhat offsets that, even within handsets? Thank you.

  • - President and CEO

  • In the third quarter the mix between handset and non-handset was 2/3rds, 1/3rd, roughly speaking, favoring handset. We had projected earlier that this mix would get closer to 50/50 over time, but we continue to have much success with our customers in the handset space, so in spite of very good growth in the consumer audio and AM/FM, in particular, the mix has stayed 65% or higher. I feel confident that we're going to be able to grow our audio business into next year, regardless of what happens in the handset market from a unit growth perspective, or a tax rate perspective, or ASP erosion perspective.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. And one question on the micro controller business. If you look at your micro controller business, obviously there are a lot of touch products out there. What is your strategy in terms of design wins? Are you going for places where you already have some penetration with FM, or are you going to be doing a more distribution oriented approach? Can you talk a little bit about the metrics we should be looking for? Thank you.

  • - President and CEO

  • Sure. If I look at the target markets for the portfolio we announced today, it covers a broad base of applications, ranging from handheld consumer gadgets, interactive toys, to industrial applications, kiosks, security panels and so on. Clearly, with many of the consumer names, we have existing relationships through our existing portfolio of products, so they have already shown some interest in what we have to offer in that space both from a capacity-sensing perspective as well as proximity-sensing perspective. But also, these products lend themselves very well to the distribution channel where we have a long list of growing products, particularly with the MCUs. So we are going to be pushing this product line in, in both sectors.

  • - Analyst

  • And last question for Bill. If you can talk a little bit about your gross margins and operating margins, and I think the operating margin, this might be an all-time high for you, even since IPO, et cetera. And gross margin seems like your revenues are increasing in the areas where the gross margin is actually higher. Can you talk a little bit about, there are analog companies, the mid-60s or even high 60s, even if you leave out Linear. What are the things that we have to look for? Is it a mixture, or is it more about cost reduction? Where can it go from here? Thank you.

  • - CFO

  • Thanks, Arnab. I appreciate the comment on the operating statistic. 30% we do believe is a record, and is really a stunning accomplishment given the year that we have been in. I think the dynamic on gross margins for us going forward is less about mix and is more about the simple normal course of the business in terms of competition and pricing and cost. So we will enter 2010, need to go through new rounds of negotiations with both our customers and our vendors, and margins will be impacted by that next year. In general, I think what you have seen over the last six or eight quarters is that we have had relatively significant mix shifts in the business that are not driving dramatic changes in gross margin.

  • - President and CEO

  • I just also want to comment that I think our gross margin model allows us to compete effectively in various kinds of environments, pricing environments, with our suppliers as well as the end markets that we serve. Over the last couple of years, we have made steady improvement in our gross margin profile. In 2008, we have had about 50 basis point improvement on an annual basis over 2007, and in 2009, we'll have a similar improvement again, on an annual basis to bring us to about 63% for the full year. I think it's safe to say that our aggressivity in winning new business is only matched by our focus on design for cost and continued pursuit of cost reductions, so our gross margin model certainly does not prevent us from aggressively continuing those efforts. However, we don't want to change the model primarily because we want to continue to focus on growth and don't want to artificially impede that.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you Bill, thanks Necip.

  • Operator

  • Thank you Suji De Silva, you may ask you question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Kaufman Brothers. Good morning, guys, nice job on the quarter. First a quick housekeeping question. You refer to this being more consumer and being more seasonal. What is the historic seasonal level you are referencing from 1Q there?

  • - CFO

  • Suji, the first quarter of 2009 notwithstanding, previously we have suggested roughly a 7% sequential decline as being a typical seasonal period.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I'm just trying to understand the diversification on the handset FM part. You have I think two Tier 1s that are soon to ramping. Is that correct in the assessment? Are the other three potential to ramp in the 2010 time frame or is there a different assessment on where you are in the Tier 1? Thanks?

  • - President and CEO

  • At this point with handset customers, we are shipping FM receive solutions to all five. We have added the only one this quarter that we weren't shipping before.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. So you completed all five now then?

  • - President and CEO

  • Right.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. Great. And last question with the buyback being announced here, what your thoughts are on a comfortable level of cash for you, and also any updates on your thoughts on acquisitions strategically given the environment and some of the changes that have been happening here in terms of the market?

  • - CFO

  • Sure, with the conservative cash management approach we took during the course of this year, which we thought was entirely appropriate, given the uncertainties surrounding the macroeconomic environment, we have had a significant build in cash during 2009 to now over $400 million. That is clearly more cash than we need for operating purposes, and frankly more cash than we believe we need also for strategic M&A. So the authorization that the Board granted last week of a new $150 million program is designed for continued return of cash to shareholders, but leaves us comfortably in a position to operate the business and to take advantage of opportunistic M&A candidates, which we continue to review on a regular basis. And while we don't have any imminent transaction, we're actively in the market and looking at opportunities that could augment this business.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Brendan Furlong, you may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Miller Tabak. Thank you, and good morning. I just want to circle back on a couple of things, if I can. On the Samsung, typical Q4 inventory drain, there may be some added inventory this quarter, and normally Samsung rebuilds in Q1. Would you expect that sort of seasonality to continue for Samsung?

  • - President and CEO

  • There is nothing we know at this point that would suggest otherwise.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then on the general seasonality question you just said normal excluding last year down 7%. Was that a comment directed at the consumer end of it or for the whole company?

  • - CFO

  • It reflects the whole company, so we have got a meaningful portion of the corporation's business that is in the consumer marketplace, but we obviously are addressing a lot of other end markets as well. That 7% statistic has been typical for us at a corporate level.

  • - Analyst

  • And to that point, in previous years, you haven't had the exposure to industrial and coms, like the MCU, timing and power, which tend to be better seasonally in Q1 than the consumer, so should we think of that as an offset to previous seasonal declines?

  • - President and CEO

  • I think the complexion of our overall business has tilted more towards consumer in the last several years, in spite of the growth that you are alluding in broad-based businesses. So I acknowledge the seasonality being better in those businesses in the first half, but I think overall, excepting for any significant customer ramps, seasonality wise, we would expect something stronger in Q1 than prior years.

  • - Analyst

  • Understood. My last question then is on -- somebody alluded to this question but I don't know if you went to it directory-- inventory, what is your sense of inventory at your major OEM customers and major distributors at the current time?

  • - CFO

  • We think that they are appropriate. We have seen some growth in distribution inventory, but in support of what is a strong demand profile for the fourth quarter, we really don't believe that there is excess inventory at any position in the channel.

  • - Analyst

  • Excellent thank you very much..

  • Operator

  • Thank you, Ian Ing, you may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, Broadpoint Amtech, thanks for fitting me in. As you go through the annual foundry negotiations, could you give us a sense of what products are up for negotiation and what is intact and carries over, perhaps new products versus old products? And how much of a help is volume-based pricing as you enter fiscal year 2010 on the new ramps?

  • - President and CEO

  • I prefer not to talk about product level negotiations with our suppliers. All I can tell you is that especially given our increased volumes, all of our suppliers have supported us with our cost-reduction needs to date.

  • - Analyst

  • All right. Understood. There has been a lot of questions on new design wins, but as a relatively small company could you talk more about the scaling up of your field resources to cover all the geographies and markets? Is it just a matter of staffing up, or are there some other leverage opportunities perhaps using your distributors, et cetera?

  • - President and CEO

  • As our revenue base increased, we have continued to add direct sales resources out in the field as well as expanding our distributor channel partners appropriately in regions that we needed some additional focus on with the new products.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our final question is from Romit Shah. You may ask your question and please state your company name.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you, Barclays Capital. Bill, we typically see OpEx bump up in Q1 for salary and bonus accruals. Given how you have managed employees compensation this year, should we expect a similar or greater than normal bump up in Q1 of 2010? Thank you.

  • - CFO

  • Romit, I think you will see op expense go up in the fourth quarter and probably trend up again in 1Q for some of the reasons that you mentioned. I do think that what we would like to do here is preserve our opportunity to really offer quality guidance on Q1 to the next call. We'll have a much better idea of what consumer seasonality will be, what the overall corporate revenue picture will look like, and we will have completed our planning exercise, so we'll give you a much better understanding of the Q1 dynamics when we reach this meeting next quarter.

  • - Analyst

  • Makes sense. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to your speakers for any closing comments.

  • - Director of Corporate Communications

  • Great. Thank you very much for your time today. This now concludes our call.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may disconnect at this time.