J M Smucker Co (SJM) 2009 Q1 法說會逐字稿

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  • Operator

  • Good morning, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the J.M. Smucker company's first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. At this time, I would like to inform you that this conference is being recorded, and that all participants are in a listen-only mode. At the request of the company, we will open the conference up for questions-and-answers after the presentation.

  • I will now turn the conference over over to Mr. Mark Belgya, please go ahead, sir.

  • - VP, CFO

  • Morning everyone, and welcome to the J.M. Smucker Company's first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. I'm the company's Chief Financial Officer, and thank you for joining us this morning. Also on the call from the company are our co-CEOs Tim and Richard Smucker, and general manager, Vince Byrd, Steve Oakland, Mark Smucker and Paul Smucker Wagstaff. After this brief introduction, I will turn the call over to Richard for opening comments, I will then review the financial results for the quarter and Tim will comment on the status of our recent Folgers announcement and provide closing remarks. At the conclusion of these comments, we will be available to answer your questions. If you have not seen our press release, it is available on our web site at Smuckers.com. A replay of this call is available on the web site in downloadable MP3 format. If you have any follow up questions or comments after today's call, please feel free to contact me or Selma Robinson, Director of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations.

  • I would like to remind you that certain statements in this presentation and during the question-and-answer period that follows may relate to future events and expectations, and as such, constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. I invite you to read the full disclosure statement concerning such forward-looking statements in the press release. I also want to point out that the company uses non-GAAP results for the purpose of evaluating performance internally. Additional discussion on non-GAAP information is also detailed in our press release. With that, I will turn the call over to Richard.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Thank you, Mark. Good morning everyone, thank you for joining us.

  • I'd like to begin by summarizing the key highlights for the quarter. First, we delivered record results for our first quarter. The quarter's 18% sales growth was broad based, essentially across all of our brands. While pricing contributed to much of the increase, volume was up in the majority of our categories, highlighting the strength of our strategy of focusing on leading brands. Also in line with our strategy, recent acquisitions played a role in this quarter's successful results. And non-GAAP earnings per share were up 14%, led by increases in operating income, a lower tax rate, and fewer outstanding shares. These results were achieved despite significantly higher costs compared to last year's first quarter.

  • Second, we are well positioned for this year's back to school and fall bake periods during our seasonally strong second and third quarters. Our pricing is in line with our costs, and we are comfortable with our cost coverage. In addition, we are confident in our ability to manage price gaps and to continue to grow our share of market. And finally, we are progressing with our plans to merge the Folgers coffee business into the Smucker company in the last quarter of calendar 2008. The addition of Folgers builds on our center of the store focus, and provides enhanced scale and financial benefits. We believe that the Smucker company provides a great home for the Folgers brand and the Folgers employees.

  • Let me briefly comment on our performance for the quarter. We had good results in our US retail segment, with sales up 13%. In the consumer area, the Smuckers, Jif, and Hungry Jack brands all contributed, and Smucker Uncrustables remained strong. Essentially all products experienced value gains with the exception of peanut butter, which was anticipated. Last year's comparison included the impact of the competitor's supply interruption, leading to a slight decline in tonnage this quarter. While this situation has increased the volatility of the category over the last 18 months, Jif's share of market has increased by 1 full point and volume has increased by 7% over the past two years, demonstrating the strength of this brand. For some time, we have pulled back on our promotional activities with the increased demand for our product. However, we are now able to fully promote Jif and are looking forward to strong back to school and fall bake period.

  • In oils and baking, Crisco, Pillsbury and Eagle brand milk were all up for the quarter. Crisco's performance during the quarter reflected the significant price increases taken during the last year. Soybean oil costs have moderated over the past few weeks, from highs earlier in the year and Crisco is well positioned for a solid fall bake season. We are receiving great acceptance as we expand our distribution of Crisco olive oil. During the third quarter we will be launching our first national television spot featuring this product. In the baking area, mixes, frosting and Eagle brand canned milk all experienced volume growth in the quarter. In addition, improved pricing and stable costs have improved profitability of the Eagle business, as we anticipated. Pricing in the baking category has improved, and we are excited about our many opportunities in the upcoming fall bake season, as our investments in marketing and new products provide continued growth opportunities.

  • Our special market segments contributed significantly to sales growth. In Canada, the Carnation and Europe's Best acquisitions and favorable foreign exchange rates added to our sales. Sales in the food service area experienced growth in both the traditional and schools channel. While beverage sales were up in both branded and nonbranded businesses. In summary, we delivered a strong quarter and a good start for the year. We are encouraged by the recent cost decline in several commodities and feel we have most of our costs covered through the end of the fiscal year. In addition, we look forward r to new opportunities from the Folgers transaction. Folgers has a long tradition of being part of memorable meals and is an excellent fit in our family of brands.

  • I would now like to turn the call back to Mark to have him review the financial results.

  • - VP, CFO

  • Thank you, Richard. Sales were up 18% for the quarter, reflecting price increases taken over the last 12 months. The acquisitions of Carnation, Europe's Best and Knott's Berry Farm also contributed approximately $31 million of sales during the quarter. While overall tonnage was down approximately 4%, we were encouraged by gains in nearly all categories, despite having passed on several price increases. The decrease in oils, which accounted for the majority of the volume shift was expected, as we are taken price increases in excess of 50% in the past 12 to 18 months. Finally, favorable exchange rate contributed approximately $5 million to sales.

  • GAAP earnings per share were $0.77 this year, compared to $0.71 last year including restructuring and merger integration. Including these charges earnings per share were $0.82 this quarter and $0.72 in last year's quarter an increase of 14%. Pricing actions have offset higher commodity costs primarily soybean oil, peanuts and leaf contributing to an overall increase of $22 million in gross profit. While price increases contributed to overall gross profit increase, the incremental dollars did not provide gross margin expansion and gross margin declined from 33.1% to 31.3%. Other factors impacting gross margin were increased fuel costs, the loss of higher margin peanut butter sales, and unfavorable product mix. As expected, margins improved in the Eagle business compared to last year, partially offsetting these declines. The trend of SG&A declining as a percent of sales continued this quarter, decreasing from 20.8% to 19.9%. This helps to mitigate the gross margin impact.

  • In line with our brand building efforts, marketing costs increased 16% compared to last year with most of the increase in Canada and specific to our oils and baking business in the US. We expect marketing to increase as a greater percent in the future quarters primarily in support of the continued roll out of Crisco Olive Oil. Corporate overhead expenses increased only 3%, leading to an overall decline in SD&A as the percent of sales. Distribution costs were up for the quarter as we incurred up front costs associated with opening two new distribution centers in Chicago and west Memphis, Arkansas, along with distribution network charges in Canada.

  • Operating income increased almost $5 million for the quarter excluding charges, but declined as a percent of sales from 12.6% to 11.4%. Last year's quarter included a $1.9 million pretax gain on the sale of the industrial ingredients business in Scotland benefiting last year's operating margin by 30 basis points. Excluding this gain, net operating margin declined by 90 basis points. Now, turn to go segment result, sales in our US retail were up 13% in the first quarter. Sales in the consumer area were up 11% with every category up in dollars. As noted earlier, peanut butter did realize a modest decline in tonnage as competitive activity continued during the quarter, however price increases taken at the beginning of the year more than offset the impact of volume.

  • In the oils and baking business area, sales increased 15%, compared to last year due to price increases taken over the course of fiscal 2008 and volume gains in mixes and frosting. In the special market segment, sales increased 34%. Canada contributed over 3/4 of this increase, primarily due to the impact of the acquired Carnation and Europe's Best businesses and favorable exchange rates. Canada also experienced sales growth in condiments, fruit spreads and baking categories. Food service sales were up 13% led by pricing, the addition of the Knott's Berry Farm business, and volume growth in the schools channel. We did experience some softness in our traditional portion control business, reflecting the current trends in away from home dining. Finally, sales in our beverage business were up 11%, primarily due to pricing.

  • Looking at other key EPS components, interest income decreased approximately $2.2 million reflecting last year's use of cash to finance acquisitions and fund the company's stock repurchase program. As a result of the repurchases, weighted average outstanding shares for the quarter decreased from 57.3 million to 54.7 million. Our effective tax rate declined from 36.1% in last year's first quarter to 33.3% this year, primarily due to the negative effect last year of the divestiture in Scotland, and the resulting repatriation of foreign earnings. Excluding the Scotland impact, last year's rate would have approximated 34%. And finally, net cash from operations for the quarter was $55.5 million, up significantly from last year.

  • I would now like to turn the call over to Tim.

  • - Chairman, Co-CEO

  • Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. As Richard mentioned, we had another record first quarter with solid sales and earnings growth. We are off to a good start, and we are well positioned for another good year. We have introduced several new products recently and have developed plans for strong marketing support on our brands. Our pricing is aligned with our costs and we are encouraged by the recent downturn in the costs of several key commodities. Momentum is positive, but it is too early in the year to make any changes in our expectations. Although we remain on track and still expect a fourth quarter calendar 2008 close for the Folgers transaction, we do not have a specific date to share with you at this time. As we near closing, we hope we will have a better idea of how many months of operations will be included in the combined company, and then be in a better position to estimate the level of synergies to be realized in the current fiscal year.

  • As a result, we have not changed our outlook for the year and confirm the guidance we issued in June. We expect fiscal 2009 sales of approximately 3.8 to $4.0 billion earnings per share of approximately $3.45 to $3.50, excluding one-time costs associated with the transaction. To help monitor progress of the Folgers transaction, we thought it would be helpful to outline the key milestones or priorities we are using to guide integration and closing activities. First, a seemless integration with our customers and consumers is the primary objective. Members of the Folgers, P&G Smucker teams have been working on establishing the key activities to insure this accomplished. Second, addressing all employee-related issues is very important to Smucker, consistent with our people basic belief, we recognize the impact that this transaction has on all affected employees and are working diligently to address all issues and concerns. Third, achieving the $80 million synergy level is a key objective. Over the next several months, teams from Folgers and Smuckers will continue to work on confirming opportunities and and then tracking success against the synergy target.

  • We have achieved several key activities since our year end call in June. First, we received FTC clearance in July on our Hart-Scott-Rodino filing. Second, we have filed with the SEC our proxy for the Smucker shareholders special meeting, as well as the Smucker registration statement, and in our comment period regarding those filings. Third, we held several key integration planning sessions as we worked to finalize the transition ser services that Procter & Gamble will provide following the close of the transaction. Fourth, as we learn more about the coffee business, we have gained further insight into the equity of the Folgers, Dunkin' Donuts, and Millstone brands and the unique offerings of each of those brands. Finally, we have expanded our knowledge of the coffee supply chain as both Vince and I traveled to Brazil last month to gain a better understanding of the coffee procurement side of the business.

  • As we learn more about the business and get to know the employees better, it reaffirms our ability that Folgers is an excellent fit strategically. As the number one retail packaged coffee brand in the US, it is clearly aligned with our strategy to own and market number one food brands in North America. In this powerful addition provides increased excise scale that will benefit all of our businesses and the transaction is financially compelling as it greatly improves our margin structure and adds significant cash flow allowing us to continue to execute our strategy. In addition, Smucker's shareholder who is are shareholders as of the record date, which will be prior to the merger will receive a special dividend of $5 per share, based on our current stock price, a special dividend provides an immediate return of approximately 10% to Smucker shareholders. In closing, the key takeaways are, we continue to implement our strategy and look forward to the addition of the Folgers coffee business, an excellent strategic fit. Second, we delivered record sales and earnings in the quarter. Third, our pricing moves have caught up with our cost increases, and we are beginning fiscal 2009 and beyond with strong top and bottom line momentum. Finally, we are well positioned for fiscal 2009 and remain optimistic about our opportunities.

  • We want to thank our employees for all their efforts. They continue to focus on growing our core business while integrating the Knott's Berry Farm and Europe's Best acquisitions and they are putting in a significant amount of effort related to the Folgers transaction. We would not be able to achieve our success without our talented and dedicated employees. We thank you for your time today, and now are happy to answer your questions. But before we do that I just wanted to mention that as Mark mentioned at the beginning, we have all of the same senior management people here with us today to answer your questions, but due to the Folgers transaction, each of them are transitioning to new roles and responsibilities. So we look forward to your questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, gentlemen. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS). Our first question comes from Farha Aslam with Stephens.

  • - Analyst

  • Hello. Hey. Congratulations on a great quarter.

  • - Chairman, Co-CEO

  • Thank you.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Thank you.

  • - Analyst

  • First, kind of if you could share with us some color about the olive oil initiative that you have clearly you have been studying it for a couple of years and now are putting marketing behind it. What is the potential of Crisco olive oil and is th is a higher margin product for you and are the sales incremental?

  • - VP - Foodservice and Beverage

  • Hey. This is Paul Wagstaff and yeah we are actually very excited about the olive oil opportunity. We have been in the business for the last couple of years and we are expanding basically nationally and I think as Richard mentioned, we are doing some national TV advertising third quarter of this year. The margins of the olive oil business are actually better than our regular Crisco business, or based oil business. So we are pleased with that side of the opportunity and it is incremental business to us.

  • - Analyst

  • What's your target in terms of sales if we can kind of use it as a benchmark going forward?

  • - VP - Foodservice and Beverage

  • Well.

  • - VP, CFO

  • Sorry. This is Mark. As we were with Uncrustables. We are still early on and as you know that's the largest or fastest growing segment of that. But at this point we are probably not going to scale our units in the amount other than it is a real opportunity the for us. You are seeing evidence of that as we have speeded up the roll out.

  • - Analyst

  • What was Uncrustables growth in the quarter?

  • - VP, CFO

  • Double digit.

  • - Analyst

  • My final question is in the proxy that you guys filed, it looks like you given fiscal '09 projections for sales and EBIT. If you look at the sales number it translates to about 3.7, 3.8 million, assuming half a year of Folgers but your guidance today and in the fiscal fourth quarter was sales of 3.8 to 4 billion. Could you just clarify the difference?

  • - VP, CFO

  • Yeah. That 3.8 to 4 we put out early on when we announced it. Until we are a little closer to the closing and look more at the actual results of both our business and Folgers we are probably going to stay to that. I think that the lower end of that as you are suggesting is probably the better target at this point.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • We will go next to Eric Katzman, Deutsche Bank.

  • - Analyst

  • Good morning everybody.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Morning, Eric.

  • - Analyst

  • A few questions. I guess, can you kind of, whoever wants to take this, can you kind of describe the, kind of discussions you are having with the retailer, vis-a-vis the significant price increases that you have had to put through versus the recent rollover in input costs and kind of how that affects your, your planning with them?

  • - VP - Consumer Oils & Baking

  • Hi, Eric, Steve Oakland. I guess I have been involved in many of these. The input costs that are softening right now are very volatile and we are talking about something that is happening as we speak literally, in the last week or so. So, most of our retailers are planned out so far and they understand that we have got pricing commitments and inventory commitments and you know, soybean oils in a rail car for a month before you produce it. So they recognize that they, they don't expect pricing changes if the commodity market moves the same day, right. So I think as we look at pricing for Easter as we look at those next periods, that's probably when these thing, these discussions will happen. So, I think, all of the retailers are set for fall bake and back to school.

  • - Analyst

  • It sounds like you feel, you know, quite confident about the business pre-Folgers, and from a demand, demand standpoint, can you kind of clarify what volumes would have been, I guess excluding the, the elasticity on the Crisco business?

  • - VP, CFO

  • In terms of -- this is Mark. In terms of the overall company?

  • - Analyst

  • Yeah.

  • - VP, CFO

  • We would have been pretty close to being flat to maybe marginally up in tonnage.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I guess the next question, the kind of move to center of the store and how that benefits you, are you in fact seeing that? Do you feel that, that that can continue or is the, let's say the, the benefit that consumers may be getting from lower gasoline prices may snap that back the other way and then consumers kind of go back toward eating away from home?

  • - VP, CFO

  • We were just with our food service group the last two days, and we have talked to them about what's happening in the food service industry and there has been a shift and we don't expect that to, people are changing their habits somewhat, eating out a little bit less and we continue expect that to snap back in a short period of time. These are more longer term trends and we think that bodes well for our core business, center of the store.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then, Mark just one or two specific financial questions, the restructuring charges, where exactly were they in the segment P&L?

  • - VP, CFO

  • They're split, Eric, about half of the total of the 5 million actually a little more than half would have been Canada and all of these charges are more merger integration and then the other half would be in, I guess actually a little heavier. Our main charges are with the Europe's best in can Canada and is in food service and consumer. It is more skewed to the special market segment.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Just trying to true up our model versus a year ago. Was there any restatement in the year ago numbers? In terms of SG&A?

  • - VP, CFO

  • I don't think there was any restatement in SG&A. The only thing that might have changed but I wouldn't affect SG&A is that we brought up what we used to call miscellaneous income so for example the sale on the Scotland business that was below operating margin and we brought you that up to above operating margin in the fourth quarter of last year. So to my knowledge that's the only thing that would have changed.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. So the Scotland piece went up into SG&A rather than being in like miscellaneous other income?

  • - VP, CFO

  • It would have came if actually at the separate line on our income statement. So it is called other operating income, but that shouldn't be in the SG&A line. It is actually called other operating income/net.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. All right. I will pass it on. Thank you. Good luck.

  • Operator

  • We will go next Jonathan Andersen with William Blair.

  • - Analyst

  • Congratulations on a nice quarter. I was wondering if you could comment a little bit on the consumer behavior and any impact r seeing with a price increases that have gone in, with respect to both spreads between branded you know, your brands and private label and if you are seeing any share shift there with to want brands versus private label in your major categories.

  • - VP - Consumer Oils & Baking

  • Hi, Jon. Steve Oakland. Private label across the board is doing okay in these economic times. But as we look at our brands, virtually every brand is up. So, you know, we talked about the peanut butter scenario but if you look at peanut butter over two years we are up significantly. So, although private label is doing well clearly and the value based retailer is doing well, we are seeing brands sell. We are seeing them sale in a little different size mix, retailer mix. But our products are pretty much core staples and they're doing pretty well.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • I might add that our strategy of the number one brand which we also believe that's a great strategy to go hand in hand with the private label brand, you always have to have the number one brand in private label. That's proven to be a healthiness. Also private label lagged and now most private label brands have caught up involvement the gap between private label and brand is closer than it was a year ago when these costs first started to really ramp up. So I think we are actually in a better position this year than we were last year at this time.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. And then, are you in you know I know it is recent, but kind of the downturn in certain commodity markets, recently, are you in a position to benefit from that this year or is that more of kind of a fiscal 2010 benefit and I guess that kind of depends on your hedge position for the balance of the year but I was wondering if you could comment a little bit on that.

  • - VP - Foodservice and Beverage

  • Hi, Jon. Paul here. I would say again answering that question from a coverage standpoint we are in very good shape through fall bake and we feel good with our cost versus price relationship. So overall we are pleased with where we are.

  • - Analyst

  • Excellent. I guess last question, not sure if it was Tim or Richard commenting on a better understanding of some of the equity in Folgers based on the work you have done since the last call. I was just wondering if you can provide a little more color on what you have learned about the equity there and what that might imply in terms of how you invest and grow that brand over the next several years.

  • - SVP - Consumer Markets

  • This is Vince Byrd. Obviously, we have been focused on listening and learning and try to go better understand the brands. Tim mentioned that he and I made a trip to Brazil with a couple of the Folgers employees. The bottom line is as Richard mentioned these are very strong number one brands sold in the center of the store. We believe with our history of being able to take brands and grow them, and we basically feel that we can do the same with these. We remain very, very enthusiastic about the ability to manage these long term.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you very much. Nice quarter.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • We will go next to [Alex Bison] with FTN Midwest.

  • - Analyst

  • Good morning everyone. Nice quarter.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Thanks.

  • - Analyst

  • I guess first of all with the merger and restructuring charges, are those complete with respect to Knott's and Europe's Best or should we expect more going forward?

  • - VP, CFO

  • Alex, this is Mark. I would say they're probably going to be some trickle into the second quarter but we are anticipating a couple of key milestones if you will in terms of the production relocation of Knott's Berry into the Smucker's facility at the end of the second quarter and then also the consolidation of some of the administrative support that came into our corporate headquarters up in Markham, in Canada. So it will be some but I think at least the majority of those specific to those acquisitions are pretty much in house.

  • - Analyst

  • Right. I guess secondly when you look at the special market segment I guess you know, it was down a little bit year-over-year, and I guess some of that was you know really good quarter last year versus this year but can you maybe just talk a little bit more about what happened there this year?

  • - VP - International

  • Yeah. This is Mark Smucker. The special market segment actually if you look at Canada, has been doing very well. In fact most of our categories not only dollars but volume is up as well. The international is small, so we don't really talk about that very much but in the food service area, actually the growth has been good. We have seen a little bit of that softness in the industry as it relates to the traditional side as we call it. But in the school side, we are looking for a pretty strong back to school period for the uncrustables.

  • - Analyst

  • All right. And then I guess finally how much was your marketing spend up in the quarter?

  • - VP, CFO

  • Sorry. What was that again?

  • - Analyst

  • The marketing spend.

  • - VP, CFO

  • About 16%.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And as you look at the different types of marketing that you are doing, are you seeing you know a change on the return on that promotion, say compared to six months ago or a year ago? Maybe another way of asking that are consumers responding differently to your different types of promotion?

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • I don't know that we can, we can tell that this early. The one thing we will see is a year ago we couldn't promote peanut butter and jelly together back to school and back to school this year which is going on as we speak literally, we have peanut butter and jelly merchandised together. We know that helps.

  • - VP, CFO

  • I would just add to that we are in always have been in the long term as best and marketing and continue to be the number one spender in our respective category. So it is very difficult to measure from quarter to quarter. But one of the best things is the brands that we have are really marketing much more closely together and going forward, the, I think message we had in June is the that you the best way of starting the day, waking up is Folgers in your cup and Smuckers on your toast and best way of ending is Folgers in your cup and Pillsbury. Those are the long term messages and we will stay with those long term. It is very difficult to say from quarter to quarter how those change but long term we are really committed.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • I would add one other comments, as consumers look another different sizes, we are helping with our customers to Department develop effective promotional strategies given some of the price up creases that have been taken in some of the categories. We like most companies work with them closely to maximize those promotional dollars.

  • - VP, CFO

  • This is Mark Belgya, just one last comment circling back to special markets, our corporate marketing as I said but another driver is was investment on marketing side in special markets particularly in Canada which overindexed the company. That was another cause for some of the margin impact.

  • - Analyst

  • All right. Thank you very much.

  • - VP, CFO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • We will go next to Eric Serotta with Merrill Lynch. Good morning.

  • - Co-CEO, President

  • Morning, Eric.

  • - Analyst

  • Clearly very strong quarter with organic net sales gross profit dollars, operating profit, and EPS, you know well ahead of what I was looking for and well ahead of what I had presumed the street was looking for more most of those metrics. You didn't raise your full year guidance, I understand the conservatism given the commodity environment and economic environment we are in in as well as the timing of the Folgers deal. I guess I am just wondering though were there any factors in the fiscal first quarter in terms of timing of either timing of sales, pull forward of sales or timing of costs or trade promotional activity that led to that better than expected number in the quarter that there could be some give back going forward?

  • - VP, CFO

  • The answer is no, not at all. This has been a solid quarter. And I think the fact that it was such a solid quarter gives us more confidence in the years numbers.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And a quick housekeeping items, what are you guys looking at in term of the tax rate for the full year?

  • - VP, CFO

  • Eric, this is Mark. If you look at the tax rate for the full year, I think we are look at like 34.5, but Folgers. Smucker is more close to last year's approximate 33.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. So, until Folgers closes something, you look for something closer to what you did in this quarter?

  • - VP, CFO

  • That's correct.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And lastly on the question of, of commodity coverage, I know you don't reveal your specific, your specific hedge positions for competitive reasons like most companies but you know, given the significant pull back that we have seen in some of the, some of your key commodities like soy oil and the like, is, do you think that there is some risk that if this continues that some of your hedges could be you know effectively out of the money or a net drag or are you comfortable that you know, even if we see continued correction in some of these commodities that your hedge positions will still be favorable relative to the market?

  • - VP, CFO

  • We are in pretty good shape. We do true hedges. So we cover whether, so if it goes up or down too much, we want to make sure that we are really making, that we are getting the cost that we committed to our retailers. So we don't really try to make gains or take losses. The confidence this gives us is where we might be having to go back to the retailers after the first, the calendar year. It looks less likely that we're going to have to do that now with the commodity costs moving the direction they are moving.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. Well good luck. Thanks a lot.

  • - VP, CFO

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Gentlemen, I will now turn the conference call back to you to conclude.

  • - Chairman, Co-CEO

  • Well, again, we are tremendously excited about the great start to the year and anticipate a great year and particularly excited about the closure of the Folgers this calendar quarter, this fiscal quarter. Thanks a lot. Have a great day.

  • Operator

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