Sculptor Capital Management Inc (SCU) 2022 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Sculptor Capital's Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions)

As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Ellen Conti, Head of Corporate Strategy at Sculptor Capital.

Thanks, Doug. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our call. Joining me are Jimmy Levin, our Chief Investment Officer and Chief Executive Officer; Wayne Cohen, our President and Chief Operating Officer; and Dava Ritchea, our Chief Financial Officer.

Today's call contains forward-looking statements, many of which are inherently uncertain and outside of our control. Before we get started, I need to remind you that Sculptor Capital's actual results may differ, possibly materially, from those indicated in these forward-looking statements. Please refer to our most recent SEC filings for a description of the risk factors that could affect our financial results, our business and other matters related to these statements. The company does not undertake any obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements.

During today's call, we will be referring to economic income, distributable earnings and other financial measures that are not prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. Information about and reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release, which is posted on our website. No statements made during this call should be construed as an offer to purchase shares of the company or an interest in any of our funds or any other entities.

Today, we reported a GAAP net loss of $22.5 million for the third quarter of 2022 or $0.91 per basic and per diluted Class A share. Our distributable earnings were $618,000 for the third quarter or $0.01 per fully diluted share. Additionally, we declared a cash dividend of $0.01 per Class A share. All earnings metrics discussed by both Jimmy and Dava will be on our non-GAAP economic income and distributable earnings metrics. I will now hand the call over to Jimmy.

Thanks, Ellen, and good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining. We're going to start with some overall macro commentary about the backdrop in which we're operating right now, most of which has obviously been well covered throughout earnings season. But it's worth noting that the third quarter was the third consecutive quarter of decline in both global equities and bonds. Together, those asset classes represent the traditional 60-40 portfolio and tend to look like what most institutional and retail portfolios out there, and that's the first time this has happened in over 30 years. And what that has done is it's made year-to-date performance across all asset holders generally one of the worst on record. If you zero in on that a bit, the back half of the third quarter also saw a tightening of financial conditions at a pace that we really only see during financial crisis style events such as the COVID crisis or the global financial crisis.

And so against that, we are starting to see or have begun to see dislocations, spread widenings and investment opportunities almost across the board that represent for our funds, what we think are some of the best investment opportunities we ever get to see. And whether that applies to the credit markets, the real estate markets, the asset-based financing markets, all types of different spread environments and spread markets what used to offer mid-single-digit yields, now generally across the board, offer what looked to be double-digit returns on a very similar risk profile.

In order to take advantage of that, we need that broad-based skill set and we need flexible capital to move our funds around to where we're seeing the best opportunity. Those are 2 things that have been part of our DNA forever and that we tend to be able to capitalize quite well on. So these types of dislocations, they generally involve near-term negative mark-to-market. They generally are against a backdrop where raising new capital gets more difficult. But those types of environments are what set up the investment opportunities to create years and years of returns on the follow. And these truly are some of the best investment environment -- the best investment opportunities that we really ever see apart from those moments of acute crisis, which happened once or twice in a generation.

In the third quarter, our funds generated significant outperformance versus basically all relevant market indices and benchmarks. Our opportunistic credit funds continued on pace of exceptional relative outperformance here, again, against pretty much everything within the credit and fixed income world. And from that position of strength now against a backdrop of very wide spreads, very high rates, very significant complexity premia are now in a position to deploy capital fairly aggressively. Our real estate funds obviously, in the private markets, things moved more slowly. But the hallmark of our real estate business since its inception has been a differentiated approach in that the vast majority of the capital we deploy is into what we call niche asset classes, gamings, e-resorts, cell towers, special types of housing assets. These tend to have less correlation against the broader macro economy and are less reliant on financing markets, capital markets leverage, et cetera. And so our existing portfolio portfolios are performing quite well. And again, the dislocation we're seeing sets up well for future capital deployment.

On the multi-strategy side, largely protected capital in the quarter, so a de minimis negative performance against what was a roughly 5% decline across almost all asset classes and again, about a 5% decline in the 60-40 portfolio. So while relative outperformance sets us up well for the future. Obviously, we still generated negative P&L in the quarter, but this is what happens in markets like these, and that's what allow us to demonstrate our skill set, largely protect capital and set up the opportunity sets of the future.

In terms of the impact of all of this on the flow side or the business side, I'd say market conditions like this that we're seeing today historically are not a catalyst for new flows. So when you've got this level of pain and this level of markdown in a 60-40 portfolio that generally slows almost all institutional activity. I'd say that further gets compounded throughout the course of the cycle as private asset marks, which have been coming in lower for institutions, we believe are likely to continue to come in lower, and that will continue to have a chilling effect on new capital allocations as people point to what is called the denominator effect there. We think we're not alone in this across both alternative asset management and traditional asset management. Markets like this generally are not a tailwind for new capital formation. I'd say, importantly, we're not seeing elevated outflows anywhere in our business. But on the new capital formation side, that definitely feels to be slowing.

On our adjusted net assets. So moving to the balance sheet, largely unchanged quarter-over-quarter, modest DE offset by the continued buyback. Obviously, the pace of that buyback is largely set by volume in the stock, which is quite low. But as we chip away over time, we are starting to as we disclosed in the press release, the number is starting to matter, but every day moves slowly. Having that balance sheet that we have today, in times like this, we're remembering why we spent years and years building that balance sheet back up because it is allowing us to again play deepens to whether what are very tough market conditions. And still allow us to do opportunistic things like continue a buyback program at levels that we think are very attractive long term.

So our expectation is market volatility will continue. Difficult market conditions will continue. Our job in our funds is to first protect capital, secondarily create investment opportunities that will allow us to compound capital in the future, and that is what we will continue to do. So with that, I will hand the call over to Dava.

Thanks, Jimmy, and good morning, everyone. Before we jump into our earnings in a little bit more detail, I first wanted to highlight that we've enhanced our earnings press release format this quarter, and we hope that you all find additional clarity in that disclosure.

Turning now to our financials. During the quarter, we generated distributable earnings of $618,000 or $0.01 per fully diluted share. On the revenue side, our management fees trended lower for the quarter as AUM declined. This was largely driven by fund performance in our multi-strategy funds that occurred during the first half of the year. On multi-strategy funds, we earn management fees on NAV, which includes the impact of performance. So when NAV declines, we see a decrease in our management fee without necessarily a change to our fixed expenses. The reverse also happens in periods of strong performance, pushing up NAV and corresponding management fees.

Importantly, the management fee decline was not from elevated outflows as redemptions remain normalized throughout the year. This quarter, we had modest incentive income driven by realizations in our real estate funds. Our largest quarter for incentive income tends to be in the fourth quarter when our annual funds crystalize. Given the negative year-to-date fund performance across our multi-strategy and credit funds, we would expect limited incentive income for the remainder of the year.

On the expense side, our fixed expenses, which include salaries and benefits, minimum bonus and [GANO] remained relatively flat to the prior quarter. Given the incentive income from real estate for the quarter, we recognized some corresponding carried interest profit sharing bonuses. Turning to our balance sheet. We remain well positioned with a strong adjusted net asset position during this time of increased market volatility. Adjusted net assets were $306 million for the quarter, which is equal to our cash plus investments in funds and CLOs less our debt. This balance sheet position significantly increases the resilience of our platform, and we are benefiting from the steps we made to grow our balance sheet for periods like this. Our adjusted net asset position has allowed us to start playing some offense and take advantage of the market opportunities, while returning capital to shareholders.

During the third quarter, we continued to return capital to shareholders. We executed on our buyback and repurchased 936,000 shares at an average price of $9.34 for a total of $8.7 million. This brings total life-to-date repurchases through September 30 to 2.6 million shares for $28.2 million. At recent stock prices, we believe this is one of the most attractive uses of our capital base. We also announced a cash dividend of $0.01 per Class A share for the third quarter. In the fourth quarter, we expect to true up our dividends to bring full year dividends to be between 20% to 30% of distributable earnings.

As a reminder, during the distribution holiday, we only pay dividends to Class A shareholders. We will continue to be thoughtful in maintaining the ongoing balance of a strong core balance sheet, deploying capital to areas of growth and returning capital to shareholders. We are well positioned to endure the market volatility given our positioning in both our underlying funds and our corporate balance sheet. With that, I'll hand the call over to the operator and open it up to any questions.

(Operator Instructions)

Our first question comes from the line of Gerry O'Hara with Jefferies.

Great. Appreciate the color around just a more challenging environment for capital formation trends. But perhaps you could give us just a little update on how conversations are trending with kind of gate keepers and asset allocators as it relates to traction on those platforms.

Sure. generally, conversations continue to be positive. Look, we've spent years getting back to where we are in those conversations and those conversations were definitely beginning to get traction as you saw in our numbers. I think the macro, not particularly helpful for the continuation of that. And I would say general noise at the corporate level is not a particular tailwind for those conversations either.

Fair enough. And then David, perhaps one for you, just the fee holiday, the aforementioned fee holiday. Can you -- this might be a tough one to answer, but can you give us maybe any sense of how you're thinking about runway for that fee holiday? Or perhaps if there's any kind of target date or time period where you would hope all things being equal, to be through it?

Sure. Well, we can give you what's left outstanding on the fee holidays. So...

Distribution holiday...

Yes, sorry, distribution holiday. The distribution holiday ends when we've hit distribution holiday economic income, we're at $530 million today. The go forward will largely depend on the overall performance of the business. And so we're not going to provide guidance as to when that will necessarily end.

Great. And then just maybe one last, if I could sneak it in. Can you just sort of remind us what sort of seasonal aspects we should be looking out for? I think you just kind of mentioned the majority of accruals kind of come through in the fourth quarter. But is there anything sort of on the expense side that we should also be looking for or kind of focused on for 4Q as we model that out?

Sure. On the expense side, we accrue our fixed expenses, which is largely our base salaries and benefits and fixed minimum accrual over the course of the year, the same with [GANO] over the course of the year. We wouldn't expect any material deviations from that. In the fourth quarter, we do have the ability to pay additional discretionary bonuses, and that is what you might see in the fourth quarter this year.

Our next question comes from the line of Bill Katz with Credit Suisse.

So a couple of questions for you. Jimmy, maybe starting with the dynamics here that are affecting flows, summarize a company I would say consider being relative to peer of yours that has a pretty big liquid book of alternatives. Speaking of the opportunity here of a pretty sizable migration from longer-dated mandates like corporate private equity back into liquid mandates. But I'm not quite hearing that from you guys. Is it a mix issue? Is it a performance issue? Or as you alluded to in your comments, some of the corporate governance topics that are going on that's affecting maybe a more robust opportunity to grow? Or is it just that you have good relative but weak absolute performance on the hedge fund side? Any or all of that? Any unpacking that would be sold be helpful.

Sure. So the longer-term trend of institutional allocators possibly overdid it on the private asset side and thereby in the future, the pendulum may swing the other way, where yield-oriented credit strategies are the beneficiary of that, we certainly agree with. Do I think that moves in months or quarters? Not even close. Just a way that the institutional movement of capital works, it will take significant time for the world to digest what has already occurred to eventually get marks, to eventually process the fact that capital returns will be slow, capital calls will remain elevated, denominator effect. I mean this is like the turning of a battleship, and I don't think that happens in any way instantly.

Specifically as it relates to those same credit strategies, our performance in both open and closed end funds there is excellent on a relative basis, on an absolute basis is close to flat, just to use a round number, right? It's down a couple of few percent of mid-stay down 20% bond aggregate index or something like that. So do not think that as a performance issue. I think capital movement is -- has slowed and will be slowing materially as the world digests the change to its balance sheet. And as I said before, the corporate activity here in all of its forms and all of the attention it attracts is not a tailwind there. That's not a helpful factor to the formation of capital.

Okay. Second question, in terms of the commentary, I don't know if yourself or Dava, in terms of your variable minimum expense of $17 million or so, it sounds like that's going to persist into the fourth quarter, maybe some upside on the discretionary side. So as we think about 2023, is there any strategic flexibility here to flex that down? Or is there a conundrum here that you have good relative, but weak absolute and the competitive environment is such that you have to forgo some FRE margin here to sort of keep things intact?

There is definitely not room to flex that down. That minimum is a minimum. Implying, if anything, we would seek to make investments in our people above that level in the fourth quarter to some extent in order to keep the great talent we have and attract new talent that we will need over time. So you should think of the minimum as a floor, not a ceiling for the fourth quarter.

Okay. And just one more, and this is a rather pointed question. I apologize for it, but there's been a fair amount of sort of public discourse on this. Where does the board stand in terms of third-party -- specific third-party interest to potential franchise sale?

Sure. I'll take that one. The Board made a public statement in response to (inaudible) 13D filing that we'll refer you to on that matter. But high level to paraphrase it, the Board is always open to exploring any avenue that has the potential to enhance shareholder value.

I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to hand the call back to Ms. Conti for closing remarks.

Thank you, Doug, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today and for your interest in Sculptor Capital. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thank you.

This does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.