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Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Och-Ziff Capital Management Group's 2012 third-quarter earnings conference call. My name is Caroline, and I will be your coordinator for today. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. (Operator instructions). I would now like to turn the call over to Tina Madon, Head of Investor Relations for Och-Ziff.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Och-Ziff Capital Management Group's 2012 third-quarter earnings conference call. Thanks for joining us today. This morning I will review our year-to-date investment performance to October 30. With me today are Dan Och, our Chairman and CEO; and Joel Frank, our Chief Financial Officer and Senior Chief Operating Officer.

I would like to remind you that today's call may include forward-looking statements. These statements reflect current views of management about, among other things, assumptions with respect to levels of assets under management, future events, certain expense levels and financial performance, many of which by their nature are inherently uncertain and outside of our control. Och-Ziff's actual results and financial performance may differ, possibly materially, from the anticipated results and financial conditions indicated in these forward-looking statements. For a discussion of the risks that could affect our results, please see the risk factors described in our 2011 annual report. The Company does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future developments or otherwise.

During today's call, we will be referring to Economic Income, Distributable Earnings and other financial measures that are not prepared in accordance with US generally accepted accounting principles. Information about and reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release, which is posted on the Class A shareholders page of our website. Furthermore, no statements made during this call should be construed as an offer to purchase shares of the Company for an interest in any Och-Ziff funds.

Today's call is being recorded and is copyrighted material of Och-Ziff Capital Management Group, LLC. Telephonic and webcast replays will be made available later today. You can find details for both on our website at www.ozcap.com. With that, let me now turn the call over to Dan.

Thanks, Tina. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. This morning I will review our year-to-date investment performance through October 31 and assets under management as of November 1. I'll also share our perspectives on the environment for capital flows and the opportunities we see for growth in our business. Lastly, I'll talk about the investment opportunities we are focused on as we look forward towards the final months of 2012.

During the third quarter and through October, we continue to build on the strong performance we generated in the first half of this year. As always, we focused intently on delivering consistent high-quality absolute returns to our fund investors. Against a backdrop of mixed macroeconomic conditions globally, we actively managed our exposures and we made opportunistic in deploying capital in each of our portfolios. Our ability to remain nimble has been central to the risk-adjusted excess returns we have been able to generate this year.

Our long history of generating profits for our fund investors and the ongoing strength of our investment performance demonstrate the value of the deep expertise we have in each of our investment strategies. Our returns also reflect our ability to source a broad range of investment opportunities. Our diversified platforms enable us to identify and capitalize on global investment trends across regions and asset classes. We believe these attributes have been significant points of competitive differentiation for us. As institutional investors increase their capital allocations to alternative asset managers in both equity and credit, they remain focused on those managers that have consistently delivered good returns over time.

During the third quarter, capital inflows to the hedge fund industry increased modestly. We believe that ongoing concerns about the weak macroeconomic environment globally continue to weigh on near-term investor confidence. However, we remain confident that allocations to the industry will become significant as institutional investors increasingly seek to enhance the yield and reduce the volatility of both their equity and fixed income portfolios. We believe that these drivers of secular growth will continue to increase in importance as market conditions remain unsettled and interest rates stay extremely low.

Now turning to our assets under management, as we announced this morning, our assets under management as of November 1 totaled $31.8 billion, increasing $3 billion or 10% from $28.8 billion on December 31 of last year, due to $2.8 billion of performance-related appreciation and approximately $200 million of net inflows. These amounts included $300 million of performance-related appreciation for the month of October and about $500 million of net inflows on November 1, which included approximately $510 million from the second CLO that we closed yesterday.

Consistent with what we experienced in the first half of this year, interest in both our multi-strategy and dedicated credit funds remained strong during the third quarter. We also continue to focus on creating platforms that could be tailored to meet the strategic investment objectives of institutional investors. These types of platforms are also important sources of future growth for our business.

Now let me give you a quick update on our funds' investment performance. Year-to-date through October 31, our Master Fund was up 9.4% net, our Europe Master Fund was up 7.8% net, our Asian Master Fund was up 3.5% net and our Global Special Investments Master Fund was up 7.8% net. These returns were generated with 23% of the volatility of the S&P 500 Index on a weighted average basis for these funds. Our year-to-date performance was primarily driven by structured credit, long/short equity and corporate credit. Over the course of the third quarter, we were very active in allocating capital across our strategies. At the beginning of the third quarter, the cash balance of the Master Fund was approximately 7%. We deployed this cash in a disciplined manner largely by increasing allocations to our US and European long/short equity strategies and ended the quarter fully invested.

As we look toward the final months of 2012, we are optimistic about the global investment landscape although remain cautious about the economic outlook. Most markets globally rallied sharply during the third quarter in response to Central Bank statements and actions in the US, Europe and Japan. However, uncertainty remains around the specific details of each plan. Resolution of the fiscal cliff and the upcoming elections in the US as well as ongoing difficulties in Europe are also contributing to that uncertainty. We remain sensitive to these factors as we evaluate investment opportunities.

We continue to find interesting ideas in credit equities in the US and Europe. We began to see a trend towards fundamentals in Europe for the first time in a couple of years, and in turn we increased our European long/short equity exposure. We also continue to allocate to long/short equity in the US. We remain firmly committed to Asia and will continue to look for uncapitalized investment opportunities as they present themselves.

In addition, our global credit business has experienced further growth and we remain focused on opportunities in corporate and structured credit in the US and Europe. On the corporate credit side, as I mentioned earlier, we closed our second CLO. This business will further augment our investment expertise in credit and position us for the continued development of our credit platforms.

With that, let me now turn the call over to Joel.

Thanks, Dan. Today, I will review our 2012 third quarter results and discuss how we are thinking about expenses for the fourth quarter. For the 2012 third quarter, we reported a GAAP net loss of $128 million or $0.89 per basic and diluted Class A share. For your reference, a discussion of our GAAP results is contained in our press release.

Now let's turn to the details behind our 2012 third-quarter economic income, beginning with revenues. Management's fees totaled $122 million, of which approximately $119 million was attributable to the Funds segment and $3 million to other operations. Management fees remained essentially unchanged from the 2012 second quarter as assets under management declined very slightly from April 1 to July 1. From July 1 to October 1, our assets under management increased approximately 6% or $1.7 billion. Our average management fee for the third quarter was approximately 1.62%, down slightly from the 1.67% in the second quarter. This average included the effect of non-fee-paying assets, our dedicated credit platforms, our first CLO and our other alternative investment vehicles.

Incentive income was approximately $8 million during the third quarter and was all attributable to the Funds segment. This amount was principally due to redemptions.

Now let me turn to the 2012 third-quarter expenses. Comp and benefits totaled $23 million during the third quarter with $22 million attributable to the Funds segment and $1 million to other operations. Of the total, salaries and benefits were $20 million, which is primarily related to the Funds segment. This amount remains essentially unchanged from the 2012 second quarter.

Third quarter comp and benefits also included $3 million of bonus expense, which was essentially all attributable toward guaranteed bonuses in the Funds segment. Salaries and benefits were 17% of management fees in the third quarter. We expect this ratio to be approximately 16% to 18% of management fees for the fourth quarter of this year.

Now turning to non-compensation expenses, non-comp expenses totaled $26 million in the third quarter, which was essentially all attributable to the Funds segment. Non-comp expenses increased slightly from the 2012 second quarter. Non-comp expenses totaled 21% of management fees in the third quarter. We expect this ratio to be 20% to 22% for the fourth quarter of this year.

Our 2012 third-quarter effective tax rate was 24%. We estimate that our full-year effective tax rate will be in the range of 23% to 26%. As always, this range is subject to variables that won't be finalized until the fourth quarter of this year. These include the amount of incentive income we earn, the resultant flow of revenue and expenses through our legal entity structure and the effect that changes in the stock price may have on the deduction from vesting RSUs.

As a result of these factors, our full-year effective tax rate could vary materially from our estimates. Our 2012 third-quarter distributable earnings were $62 million, or $0.14 per adjusted Class A share. As you saw in our press release, this morning, our dividend for the 2012 third quarter is $0.12 per Class A share. We used cash, as we typically do, to fund items related to the operation of our business. The most significant of these was withholding taxes that we will pay up on the vesting of RSUs.

Before closing, I want to emphasize, as I do on each of our calls, the importance of the relationship between our investment performance and our earnings and dividend growth. Investment performance results in growth in assets under management and creation of incentive income. Like our management fees, which increase as our assets grow, our incentive income is earned annually on the majority of our assets under management and is paid in cash and flows through to our distributable earnings each year. This is a significant driver of the operating leverage in our model and also our future earnings potential.

With that, we will now take any questions you have.

(Operator instructions) Roger Freeman, Barclays.

So just the -- did you say what the size of the CLO was that you just raised?

Yes, about $509 million.

$509 million? Okay, so we will back that out of the flows today to get at the underlying -- the November flows?

Yes.

Okay. I guess, Dan, you talked about the investing climate, which is interesting. In looking at some of the reallocation, including a little bit less corporate credit, I presume that you look at equity as an asset class for more attractive opportunity near-term than, at least, corporate credit?

Let me give you some detail on that, because I didn't mean to say on less corporate credit. But in the first half of the year, the major drivers of our profitability, the major focus of our investment was corporate and structured credit in the US, long/short equity in the US, and then sometime earlier in the year we became more interested in credit in Europe as we saw some signs of underlying stability.

More recently, we have also become more constructive on European long/short equity, so it gives us another investment area where we see the opportunity. And that is a combination of what we are seeing from the bottoms up. I mentioned a trend towards fundamentals. That means that conversations with companies tend to be more about their fundamentals than macro factors. That means that our analysts' capabilities, the excess return they can generate, is not automatically overwhelmed by multiples by whatever is going on, on the macroeconomic side. So the major change now versus earlier in the year is just we are seeing a broader investment base.

And in Asia -- our comment on Asia is, just to make clear, while right now the investment opportunities in Asia are not at the same levels as certain regions, we remain more than firmly committed. We have been there for over 10 years now. We are still big believers that Asia is going to grow and investment opportunities will come back, new markets and new opportunities will develop. And staying there and staying on the forefront is going to be important.

Okay, thanks, that's helpful. And then, just on your credit business more broadly, it has obviously been a big area of focus. You've talked about it a lot more. Looking out to the next year, is there areas within that that you want to grow further, either off the existing talent base or otherwise? And what would those be, if any?

Well, the four basic areas are corporate credit and structured credit in the US and in Europe. We're not as focused on credit opportunities in Asia for now; that could change. On the investment side, we are going to focus on where we see the opportunities. One of the nice things on the structured credit side is our size and our relationships and our capabilities are giving us a significant competitive edge. It is not a market where you can just walk in and buy things trading on the screen.

So, for example, having our real estate capability gives us a big edge. To the extent that structured credit product involves commercial real estate, number one, we can do the work and we can do the analysis, where others may not be able to. Number two, the people with the product know we can do the work. So we feel that more and more of the structured credit product that we are buying in both the US and Europe is differentiated and product that not everyone can access.

Okay, alright, thank you.

Marc Irizarry, Goldman Sachs.

Dan, can you just talk a little bit about your conversations with your LPs relative to the opportunities on a go-forward basis in credit versus just how far we've come? Is there something that you are in discussions or in allocations or just -- that we just believe that you guys are just positioned to further exploit opportunity there? Or it seems like the conversations would just be getting a bit tougher here, given the performance of credit. Can you just take us through how you are building that credit business relative to where allocations currently are?

Absolutely. I think that actually plays to one of our strengths. I mentioned in response to the last question the competitive differentiation. So we're able to sit down with clients and show them, let us show you what we are seeing, what we continue to see because what you're referring to, Marc, is with the run-up in some of these credit markets, people are concerned about what is left in terms of opportunity. And for those who don't have access to the more unique, more off-the-run product, I think your point is valid. We are able to sit down and show them what we're able to buy, what we have access to, while we have access to it. It's a combination of the very deep significant global relationships of Och-Ziff, the breadth of our resources that enable us to do some things that others can't do, the size we have because in these transactions entities would rather deal with a smaller number of parties than a large number of parties -- the confidentiality we maintain, which is very, very important. So we feel very good about -- look, we feel extremely good about our performance this year, but we feel maybe even better about our competitive differentiation going forward.

And I will add to that, that we don't just offer these people, let's say, credit. We offer them several opportunities. So obviously, to your point, if the credit markets were not as attractive, we can offer them other things because we have several capabilities.

Okay, and how about the channels of distribution and the pricing of the credit strategies? How should we think about the fees and, I guess, the fee rate as a percentage of your AUM? Should we think of these as bigger mandates at lower fees? And what about channels of distribution for you guys?

Well, as a general matter in the marketplace, credit products are lower fee than hedge fund products. Now, the CLOs are generally even lower than most alternative credit products. In our case, that's correct. The key is we view these as additive. If we launch a CLO at a lower than our average management fee, well, obviously, everyone can do arithmetic. That will lower our average management fee. But it's just additive. It doesn't cannibalize anything that we are doing. We can demonstrate to a credit investor or a hedge fund investor or a multi-strategy hedge fund investor why it increases the resources and capability and flow while being in the flow with banks and investment banks makes it even more likely that we see structured credit product from them.

So our view is, to the extent that we are adding assets in credit at fees that are lower than our average hedge fund fee, if they are additive to the overall asset base and if they are additive to all the LPs and if they are additive to the employees, then that's a really good thing to do..

And I'll add to Dan's point; it doesn't cannibalize anything. So as the multi-strategy funds grow, that's at higher fees. That's also an effect on the total ratio.

Okay, and then, Dan or Joel, can you just give us some perspective on the three-year lock money? How much is coming in with -- is it all coming in with multi-year locks, and just what the percentage AUM is with the multi-year locks?

Yes. The three-year tranche is around -- out of the longer-term assets, it's around 9% of the longer-term assets. We will have some maturing at the end of the year. I'm not going to go into great detail, but at that point, we will see what happens after that. But you'll have some at the end of the year. I don't expect it to be material, although I can't project returns.

And, look, it's another example of why performance is so important. Obviously, one of the most important things is that when a three-year tranche comes to its term, we want the investor to feel that they had an extremely good experience with Och-Ziff, and we wanted to continue to invest with us. Whether they re-roll into the three-year tranche or go into one of our other tranches, we are fine with whatever is their preference. We want to make sure that they, after being with us, they have an even better experience than when they came in. And we feel that's about performance -- it's about a lot of things, but obviously strong performance has been important.

Okay, thanks, guys.

Ken Worthington.

Actually, to follow up on Marc's question there, on the three-year money, you have seen some of mature over the last two quarters. How is that money acting in terms of renewals and terminations versus the other tranches? Is it acting more sticky, or is it less sticky? Because I think there's more to come later this year and even more to come next year.

We don't want to comment on any specific numbers because we want to stay with our policy. But as a general matter, look, I think you've seen how we've done. I think not suffering some of the issues in the hedge fund industry in 2011, strong performance today, having it come from a lot of differentiated areas. Some small examples -- look at October, positive performance with the S&P down a couple of percent. Obviously, May this year was the other test. I think it's fair to say that the clients in general, but the clients in the three-year tranche who are near-term have been very, quote, satisfied, happy -- you pick the term -- about their experience with us. And our expectation is that will go up.

On maybe the direct pension side, you have won a number of high-profile state mandates over the last quarter or so. Can you talk about funding? Has that money started to fund yet? If you can just give us some high-level comments about what has already come in the door and maybe what has yet to come in the door, so we can think about the models.

We don't comment on specific clients and those details. But as a general matter, first of all, pension funds have been an area of focus for a long time. So the numbers are in the press release, and Joel can give you the numbers. But you have seen, we think, is a very significant increase in pension fund assets over the last several years. Sometimes they announce and put on the website and you read about it, and sometimes they don't. We obviously are very pleased with the confidence shown by the ones that you are referring to who did announce it publicly. We do want to remind you -- they can announce it publicly; we still aren't going to comment on an individual client.

But we remain in very active dialogue with other pension funds and current pension fund clients about expanding the relationships with Och-Ziff.

Okay, worth a try. And maybe lastly, in terms of distribution, the private bank channel seems to be a good opportunity to grow, and yet money seems to have been coming out of this channel for the last couple of quarters. Why is that? I would think that you would be very attractive to those end users -- or investors.

You have to remember, we remain in an environment -- and you'll see the number shortly -- where net inflows, we all know, are a combination of gross inflows and gross outflows. And we are in an environment, have been for several years, where outflows, gross outflows have been elevated versus historical. And we believe, really, that is all about the environment, uncertainty in the environment, cash needs investors have, funding needs investors have, etc.

And it's likely that in the current environment, that uncertainty -- I think if you checked around with the platforms, the issue is with the platforms, not with us. There have been some high-profile experience with platforms have caused some issues, but we think that our performance and our steadiness through that continues to position and differentiate us.

Yes, and degradation to us has not been material, to Dan's point.

Okay, great, thank you very much.

For us, it has really been a slowing of inflows rather than any significant change.

Thank you.

Daniel Fannon, Jefferies.

Just another question on credit -- have you guys had success in expanding beyond your existing customer base outside of hedge funds to target your credit strategy? And also just give us an update as to what the number is that you would define under just the credit bucket, in terms of AUM..

So the credit platforms outside of the credit allocation to the multi-strat funds is a little bit over $2 billion.

In terms of your first question, that's a process that's in motion. You can understand how it would work. The first people that we would go to are current clients who have literally seen the product directly through their allocations to the other funds and know the people and know the firm. And the next step is to broaden to other clients. So the majority at this point are current clients.

Okay, that's helpful. And then looking at your breakdown of investors as well as from type and geography, it looks like the fund-of-funds as well as Europe went up for the first time in some period, this quarter. Anything different happening within your customer base, either from a segment or from a geography perspective, that might be worth highlighting?

I think the numbers for the fund-of-funds were down about 1%, and Europe was down about 1%. North America was up a little bit. These are not material changes, though.

Okay, thank you.

Bill Katz, Citigroup.

I apologize for any background noise ahead of time. Just coming back to your opening comments about the tough environment for hedge fund allocations, what do you think breaks the logjam? And secondly, what gives you the confidence that the money will come back into hedge funds? We are starting to hear from some of the traditional managers, a bit of pickup in equity allocation discussions. So sort of curious, a little bit of a different view of what you may be hearing as you talk with clients.

Well, our primary goal is to make sure -- number one, to make sure that we are at the top of people's lists. That's what we focus on. Number one, if you are at the top of people's lists, that means you are at the top of your current clients' lists, which is important. And number two, those are things we can control. Obviously, if the environment becomes more stable, we think that will cause an outflows to normalize.

The other priority for us is to create other ways for clients to invest with Och-Ziff and take advantage of our capabilities. So we have obviously talked a lot about the credit platforms. There are some other avenues of distribution that we are focusing on. There are these strategic relationships that we've spoken about, which we think can lead to some larger, longer-term commitments.

Our goal is to continue to drive performance, continue to manage risk, continue to show what we differentiate. Now, there was an article -- there was an article recently that talked about Och-Ziff's investments in foreclosed homes on an own-to-rent basis. And what the article basically said is that this has become a really hot area with a lot of money flooding in. There's a firm -- Och-Ziff was in it very early and is actually considering exiting with all the money flooding in.

So clients notice that. They look and say, this is another example, here was an asset class that wasn't necessarily front and center that Och-Ziff found, diligence, figured out a quality way to invest in, was early and now, when money is flooding in, has the option of exiting or staying with it. So that performance risk management, asset allocation, building of new businesses, differentiation is what we can control and position us for better environments.

Okay, thank you. And then just a quick one for Joel -- just curious -- your guidance on the tax rate, it seems a little high relative to the year-to-date performance, given what I would suspect would be a pretty good mix with performance fees in the fourth quarter. Is there something else I'm missing as I think that through?

You'd have to take into consideration -- as I always say, there are several factors. But one of the big factors is how the revenue or how we expect the revenue to flow through our legal entity model. And that's going to be a big effect on the amount of the tax rate.

Okay, thank you.

Cynthia Mayer, Bank of America.

Sorry also for the background noise -- maybe just to follow up on the tax rate guidance, it looks like, just to compare it to 2010, that was the last year you had similar performance. The blended tax rate was a lot lower that year. Is that a function of the RSUs and the stock price, or is it a function of more conservative assumptions for 4Q or something else?

It's a function of the three things that I've mentioned before, which is how the revenues and expenses flow through our model, the deductions for RSUs and the amount of incentive. So you have to think about how we are generating incentives, where the incentive income is coming from, overall revenues, and how that flows through. But keep in mind, this is all estimates and it can vary materially because, obviously, those three factors can change on a material basis for the quarter and for the year.

Okay, and just to make sure, the incentive for the three-year lockup money shouldn't be treated any differently for taxes than one-year? Right?

No, not at all.

Okay, and then maybe just to follow up on the Master Fund, you mentioned you increased allocation to European long/short. Is there any way you can give us a geographic breakdown of where the investments are?

Yes. Right now, about 66% of the assets are in the US, 22% is in Europe and the difference is in Asia, about 12%.

Okay, and last thing, just to clarify, in October, ex-the CLO then, I guess you would have had light inflows. Are you still seeing most of the flows to the Master Fund as opposed to the sleeves?

The inflows -- don't forget, when you say the sleeves, if I include credit in the sleeves, then the answer is the inflows were relatively diversified between the multi-strategy and the credit side.

Okay, great, thank you.

(inaudible), RBC Capital Markets.

I just had a question on Asia. It sounds like from your comments that you are almost taking a defensive posture, saying that you are still committed to Asia, whereas I would have thought that Asia is a growth market, given the aging of population and the need for alternative asset managers over there. Do you have some comments on it? Because I've been reading a few articles from Korea and Japan and how low interest rates and should actually benefit, if Korea actually thinks about increasing their exposure to alternative asset managers.

Well, we would agree with what you said. The point of the comments were that, long-term, we are extremely committed to what we're doing in Asia. We think that the platform we have is substantially differentiated from most, if not all other platforms. But the current opportunity set for us is less than it has been in other environments.

And so in the call, we specifically talked about credit and equity in the US and credit and equity in Europe. So we didn't -- we wanted to make a comment on Asia. The comment would be, in the short-term, given some of the uncertainties particularly related to China and the global economic impact on exporters, event-driven activity and some of the other things that create opportunity for us are little bit slower. But we are not only staying committed, but we are taking advantage of this opportunity to increase and strengthen our resources.

Okay, and maybe similarly -- here in the US, in terms of the pension funds, are there any plans of adding headcount? How do you service the pension funds? Do you have dedicated internal service teams? And if so, what are your thoughts in terms of headcount? And what should we think about -- how should we think about the comp number going forward?

The focus on pension funds is not new to us. I understand that there were a couple of articles that heightened it. But you've seen the numbers in the press release. And if you go back and look quarter by quarter, you see the consistent, steady growth over the last five to seven years. So it's not a new business; it's not a new focus. You shouldn't expect to see any dramatic change in headcount as a result of that.

Okay, thank you very much.

Ken Worthington.

Just two follow ups -- one, on the Asian fund -- and I'm sorry if you mentioned this -- is it below benchmark, and if so, how far below at this point, approximately?

And then the second one -- as part of the Jobs Act signed by the President, it eliminated the prohibition against solicitation advertising, which lessens restriction in terms of hedge fund marketing. I guess it's -- the law was signed, but this is still a proposal by the SEC. If this proposal goes through, does this change the world for you in terms of fund-raising? Does it like make it easier for you to fund raise or maybe, perversely, does it level the playing field with maybe some weaker hedge funds that don't have the same brand name that you guys do? I don't know if you have thought about it because it's still just a proposal. But I thought I would toss it out.

In terms of Asia, it's not below its high water mark. And in terms of your second question, as you pointed out, that law is -- it's just a proposal. There is no law; there's nothing behind it. We are not contemplating doing anything different. And when the law is passed, then we will figure out if it's something that we need to address.

And obviously, we can't address other funds because we don't know what they're going to do. And it's not about other funds advertising, it's about our competitive advantage in terms of what we do.

Fair enough, thank you very much.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes the question and answer session for today. I will now turn the call over to Ms. Madon.

Thanks, Caroline. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today and for your interest in Och-Ziff. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me at 212-719-7381. Media inquiries should be directed to Jonathan Gasthalter at 212-687-8080.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes your conference call for today. You may now disconnect. Enjoy your weekend.