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Good morning, and welcome to the Stepan Company Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this call is being recorded on Monday, February 23, 2026.

It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Ruben Velasquez, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Stepan Company. Mr. Velasquez, please go ahead.

Thanks, Deedee. Good morning, and thank you for joining Stepan Company's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 Financial Review.

Before we begin, please note that information in this conference call contains forward-looking statements, which are not historical facts. These statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially, including, but not limited to, prospects of our foreign operations, global and regional economic conditions and factors detailed in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

In addition, this conference call will include discussions of adjusted net income, adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow, which are non-GAAP measures. We provide reconciliations to the comparable GAAP measures in the earnings presentation and press release, which we have made available at www.stepan.com under the Investors section of our website.

Whether you are joining us online or over the phone, we encourage you to review the investor slide presentation. We make these slides available at approximately the same time as when the earnings release is issued, and we hope that you find the information and perspectives helpful.

With that, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Luis Rojo, our President and Chief Executive Officer.

Thank you, Ruben. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. I plan to share highlights of the performance and will also share updates on our key strategic priorities, while Ruben will provide additional details on our financial results.

2025 was a transformational year for Stepan. We divested two manufacturing plants, made significant progress on the foundational work required to further optimize our global footprint and position the company to execute against a more disciplined and resilient operating model in 2026 and beyond.

I also want to highlight that we delivered the best year on safety results in our history. Congrats to the whole Stepan team on these excellent safety results. Despite a challenging macro environment, the continued pressure across the chemical sector, unprecedented raw material inflation and tariff impacts, we delivered full year adjusted EBITDA growth of 6%. We delivered adjusted EBITDA of $199 million reflecting, discipline in pricing and cost management, favorable mix and solid growth across all our strategic businesses.

Organic volume increased 2% year-over-year driven by a strong growth in crop productivity, oilfield, Tier 2, Tier 3 customers, global polymers and specialty products. This was partially offset by softer demand in global consumer commodity surfactants.

Throughout the year, we maintained a disciplined approach to capital allocation. We generated positive free cash flow in 2025 and strengthening our balance sheet and reduced net debt. Our leverage ratio improved from 2.8 to 2.5 times at the end of the year. We did all of this while continuing to invest in the business. Consistent with our long-standing commitment to shareholder returns, we increased our dividend for the 58th consecutive year, underscoring our confidence in Stepan cash flow strength and long-term outlook.

During the fourth quarter of 2025, the company paid $8.9 million in dividends to shareholders. Our Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend on a Stepan common stock of $0.395 per share payable on March 13, 2026. This represents a 2.6% increase in our dividend versus the prior year.

Importantly, in 2025, we demonstrated our ability to deliver earnings resilience, advance strategic priorities and take decisive actions in a difficult operating environment. We successfully commissioned our Pasadena alkoxylation facility, optimized our asset footprint through targeted divestitures and established the foundation to implement project catalyst, which we will discuss later today.

With that, I will turn the call back to Ruben to walk you through the financial details for the quarter and the year.

Thank you, Luis. My comments will generally follow the slide presentation. Let's start with slide 5, which summarizes Q4 2025 performance. Fourth quarter 2025 adjusted net loss was $0.5 million or down $0.02 per diluted share. Reported net income was $5 million, up 49% versus prior year, primarily reflecting the gain on sale of assets and certain nonrecurring items.

The decrease in adjusted earnings was mainly driven by lower Surfactants operating income, lower capitalized interest expense and less favorable effective tax rate, partially offset by improved polymers performance and lower corporate expenses. Importantly, several of these drivers, including higher depreciation and the decline in capitalized interest associated with the Pasadena startup had no cash impact compared to the fourth quarter of last year.

Consolidated adjusted EBITDA was $33.8 million compared to $35 million in the prior year, a 3% decrease. The slight decline in adjusted EBITDA was primarily driven by a 3% decrease in Surfactants organic volumes due to softer demand in global commodity consumer product end markets and elevated raw materials costs. Polymers delivered year-over-year growth, driven by a strong volume performance in North America and Asia Rigid Polyols and in global commodity phthalic anhydride.

Specialty Products results were modestly year-over-year due to primarily -- due primarily to order timing within the pharmaceutical business. Cash from operations was $60 million for the quarter, and free cash flow was positive at $25 million compared to negative $0.2 million in the prior year. The improvement was driven by reductions in working capital and disciplined capital spending. We remain focused on strengthening liquidity and maintaining disciplined capital allocation.

Slide 6 shows the total company pretax income bridge for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to last year's fourth quarter. Because this is a pretax view, the figures noted reflect operating performance before the impact of income taxes. Fourth quarter pretax income declined year-over-year, primarily driven by lower Surfactant operating income and lower capitalized interest expense. These headwinds were partially offset by improved performance in polymers and lower corporate expenses.

Slide 7 shows the total company adjusted EBITDA bridge for the fourth quarter compared to last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $33.8 million, slightly down from prior year. Surfactants decreased by $2.6 million, driven by lower organic demand and elevated raw material costs. Polymers increased by $1 million, reflecting an 11% growth and improving operating leverage. Specialty Products decreased by $0.4 million and corporate expenses declined year-over-year due to continued spending discipline and the nonrecurrence of CEO transition expenses recorded in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Slide 8 focuses on the Surfactants segment. Surfactants net sales were $402 million, up from $379 million in the prior year. Organic volume declined 3% year-over-year primarily due to weaker demand across commodity consumer and construction and industrial solutions end markets. Price and mix benefited from pass-through of higher raw material costs, improved product and customer mix and pricing actions. Foreign currency translation positively impacted net sales by 3%. Surfactants adjusted EBITDA declined slightly, reflecting lower organic volume and elevated oleochemical input costs.

Moving now to slide 9. Polymers net sales were $132 million versus $113 million in the same quarter of last year. Volume increased 11%, driven by North America and Asia Rigid Polyols and commodity phthalic anhydride growth. Price was negatively impacted by the pass-through of lower raw material costs and competitive pressure. Foreign currency translation positively impacted net sales by 2%.

Polymers adjusted EBITDA increased 9% versus the prior year, driven primarily by strong volume growth, partially offset by lower unit margins and unfavorable product and customer mix. Specialty Product net sales and EBITDA were modestly lower year-over-year due to order timing fluctuations within the pharmaceutical business, though medium chain triglycerides continue to deliver double-digit volume growth.

Let's move now to slide 12 to review balance sheet and cash flow. Free cash flow generation remains a key focus. Cash from operations was $60 million in the fourth quarter and free cash flow totaled $25.4 million, driven by working capital reductions. We ended the fourth quarter with net debt of $494 million, a $32 million reduction versus the prior year and a net leverage ratio of approximately 2.5 times trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA. This improvement reflects our continued focus on cash generation, debt reduction and maintaining financial flexibility.

Turning to full year results. Reported net income was $46.9 million, down 7% year-over-year, while adjusted net income was $41.7 million. The decrease in 2025 adjusted net income was primarily driven by lower Surfactants operating income, lower capitalized interest expense and a higher effective tax rate. Global organic sales volume increased 2% for the full year, driven by strong growth in crop productivity, oilfield, Tier 2 and Tier 3 customers, global polymer and specialty products. This was partially offset by softer demand in global commodity consumer end markets.

Full year EBITDA increased 11% to $208 million and adjusted EBITDA increased 6% to $199 million. Cash from operations in 2025 was $148 million and free cash flow was $25.4 million. Disciplined working capital management and capital spending allowed us to generate positive free cash flow while funding strategic investments in 2025.

With that, I will turn the call back to Luis to discuss our strategic outlook and project catalysts.

Thanks, Ruben. I will begin with a brief update on our strategic priorities before turning to Project Catalyst, which represent a significant step forward in strengthening the Stepan foundation for long-term superior value creation.

Our strategy remains centered on four key pillars. First, our continued focus on customer-centric innovation to create new applications and better solutions for our customer products and strengthening our strategic technical partnerships. Second, our diversification strategy is to deliver growth in higher value end markets and expand our reach in the Tier 2 and Tier 3 customer segments. Third, Operational excellence in our supply chain remains a key priority for the future, improving the reliability and resiliency of our manufacturing network and operating metric results at our Millsdale site. And fourth, we continue improving our financial position by a relentless focus on improving free cash flow generation, deleveraging the balance sheet and a disciplined and efficient capital allocation.

Throughout 2025, we saw significant growth in crop productivity, oilfield and specialty products, while polymers also delivered a strong volume growth across North America and Asia. We also grew mid-single digits in our Tier 2, Tier 3 business. We also made meaningful progress improving our reliability in Millsdale and we fully commissioned our Pasadena facility with production ramping up. This effort resulted in EBITDA growth, positive free cash flow generation and a reduction of our leverage ratio during 2025.

Let's move now to slide 14. Today, we announced Project Catalyst, which is a comprehensive plan designed to further optimize our asset base and create a more productive, agile and accountable organization to enable growth. Project Catalyst is expected to deliver around $100 million in pretax savings over the next two years, with approximately 60% of the savings expected in 2026.

Project Catalyst is not a short-term cost reduction program alone. It is a strategic transformation designed to enhance the competitiveness of our cost base while preserving customer service and growth flexibility.

Project Catalyst is built around three core value levers. First, footprint optimization by consolidating volume and improving utilization rates in our more modern and cost competitive sites. Another component of this effort is the ramp-up of our Pasadena facility, which we expect to reach around 70% to 80% utilization in 2026 and full utilization in 2027.

Second, operational efficiency and cost optimization. This includes procurement savings, productivity improvement across our manufacturing and logistic network and the deployment of an enterprise-wide management operating system that drives disciplined data-driven execution and continuous improvement.

Third, organizational effectiveness. We're clarifying accountabilities, streamlining decision-making and aligning resources more tightly to our growth priorities to accelerate the value capture across the organization and improve productivity. Importantly, Project Catalyst is designed to partially offset inflationary pressures and other headwinds while creating the capacity to reinvest in growth initiatives in innovation and supply chain resiliency.

Today, we announced the closure of our Fieldsboro, New Jersey site. This is in response to continued lower demand in commodity surfactants used in the production of laundry detergents. In addition, we are decommissioning select assets at our Millsdale and Stalybridge sites. We're planning to execute these actions in the next few months.

I want to acknowledge that the decisions we're making are difficult, especially as they impact people and communities that have been part of a Stepan story for many years. We deeply appreciate the dedication and hard work of our teams at these locations. We will continue to evaluate additional opportunities to further optimize our footprint and strengthen our competitive position while unlocking the potential of our existing sites. This is a dynamic environment, and we will adjust and make changes if necessary.

As we look forward to 2026, we remain focused on delivering superior shareholder returns with a balanced approach between top line growth and productivity cost-out efforts. We believe we are well positioned to deliver adjusted EBITDA growth and positive cash -- free cash flow in 2026 despite the ongoing market challenges.

This concludes our prepared remarks. At this time, we would like to turn the call over for questions. Deedee, please review the instructions for the questions portion of today's call.

(Operator Instructions) Mike Harrison, Seaport Research Partners.

Wanted to start out with a couple of questions on Project Catalyst. I understand a lot of this consolidation has been a long time coming. But can you give us a sense of what capacity utilization looks like within the Surfactants business today? And following the optimization actions that you've enumerated here in Fieldsboro and the other two facilities, where -- what would that do for capacity utilization going forward in Surfactants?

And I guess I was looking to understand, are the facilities that you're closing or the assets that you're closing, are they losing money on an operating income or EBITDA basis in 2025? Or were they still providing some kind of a positive earnings contribution?

Great questions, Mike. Look, of course, Surfactants have different platforms and different chemistries. What I will say is with the consolidation that we're doing, we're trying to optimize our cost structure. We're moving volume to less cost-effective sites to more modern and cost-efficient sites. And we still have certain capacity for growth.

And of course, if you think about alkoxylation, we are still capacity for growth. AOS and even in ether sulfate and low 1,4-dioxane, we have capacity to grow in the future, but we know where the market is going, and that's why we took the decisions that we're making. It's not like we are losing money in those sites. The point is that we're moving the volume to other sites to improve the utilization rate in those sites and continue serving our customers at a more efficient cost structure.

All right. And then in terms of the $100 million worth of savings and just the timing. You mentioned $60 million is expected in 2026. But I wanted to understand also that you've noted that these savings are intended to help cover inflation that you might be seeing. And I was just hoping you could help us understand how we might think about the net savings that $60 million minus whatever inflation you're anticipating during this year.

Good point, Mike, because, yes, we believe we're going to deliver at least the $60 million pretax in 2026. But as you know, it's public information that we have around $750 million in fixed cost when you think about salaries and maintenance and all of that. And of course, inflation is still there, right? I mean you could argue that the inflation of 3% is still there. In some cases, the inflation is even higher when you think about health care, when you think about insurance, when you think about incentive-based compensation. So call it, you have a 3-plus inflation rate in our cost structure. And that, of course, is going to eat up some of the savings that we will deliver for sure in 2026.

All right. You had talked a little bit about oleochemicals creating some raw material pressure. I was wondering, did the impact of oleochemicals get worse in Q4 than it was in Q3? And should it get better as we get into Q1, given that it looks like the market prices of some of those oleochemicals have come lower? Maybe just help us understand a little bit more what's going on with the timing of those costs and also the timing of your pricing actions or any kind of index pass-through response that might be happening?

No. Yes. This is, of course, very relevant to our EBITDA margins in the Surfactants business. If you look at the Surfactant business, in Q1 2025, we still had a double-digit EBITDA margin, and that's when we saw the start of the escalation of oleochemicals. And there is a lag, right? I mean we typically carry a lot of inventory because it's from Asia and all that supply chain is pretty long. So you saw coconut oil prices going from the $2,000 to $3,000 per metric ton.

And really, really, I mean, you felt all that impact in the P&L in the second half of 2025. Coconut oil prices are coming down significantly now. And actually, PKO is going up, which at the end is narrowing the gap, which at the end, the important piece is the gap between CNO and PKO. And the reality is that if you look at where we are now, January, February, that spread between CNO and PKO is almost at a normal level, right, $200 difference. You have CNO at $2,200, you have PKO at $2,000. And that $200 delta is historically has been in the $130 to $150. So we are getting to a point where we feel very, very good.

However, again, last year, we saw the impact in the second half, the hurt of higher oleochemicals in the second half. You are going to see the help in 2026 in the second half of 2026. We carry a lot of inventory. This is a very long supply chain. And as we -- I mean, we keep increasing prices, and you have seen this in our price/mix numbers. But at the end, we will recover those margins at the end of 2026, more in the second half than in the first half. In the first half, you are going to still see the impact of lower margins in Surfactants.

All right. And then my last question for now is just a little bit about the timing of earnings. I understand you've given a '26 outlook that calls for EBITDA growth. Would love it if you could help us understand maybe some ranges or ideas of how much growth we could anticipate. But it sounds like between the oleochemical impact and maybe the savings starting to accelerate as the year goes on, it sounds like the second half could be quite a bit better than the first half.

And I know this is adding an extra question, but I also assume there's maybe some weather impact that could drag on your first quarter. So maybe just a little bit of color on how we should think about the cadence of earnings and how much growth is anticipated next year in '26?

Good questions, Mike. And so let me think about this. So we are committed and we feel good, and that's why we had it in our prepared remarks that we expect EBITDA growth in 2026 versus 2025. You are 100% correct that when you think about -- so think about these four, five big factors that are helping the second half and not helping the first half. So we already talked about the oleochemical raw material situation, right? It's going to be significantly better in the second half versus the first half.

Catalyst savings, we are committing to the $60 million pretax. And of course, those are going to be heavily skewed to the second half. I mean, procurement savings and some of those things are throughout the year. But when you think about footprint and the other stuff, it's mostly second half. We are also expecting demand recovery in the second half versus the first half when you think about two interest rate cuts, right?

That's very important. I mean all the banks are -- and everybody is projecting at least two interest rate cuts throughout the year, especially in the second half. So we expect demand to improve in the second half versus the first half. This is important for our construction business, both in polymers and a little bit also in Surfactants.

So when you think about all of those effects and the fact that we started Q1 with a historic weather impact, right? Nobody was expecting this winter. I'm telling you that we are pleased, we are extremely pleased with the supply chain that we have and we did extremely well compared to many other winters, but it is true that some demand was lost. When you think about the polymers business and construction activities and reroofing, when you think about how this impacts some of our Surfactant business, there was some demand lost, and there is also absorption, right, because we didn't produce everything that we intended to produce in Q1. So there is an impact of around $6 million in Q1 2026 on an EBITDA basis due to the weather.

But the good news is that we're expecting to recover at least half, hopefully more than half, but at least half of that between Q2 and Q4. When you think about the absorption piece and some of the demand loss, we expect to recover at least half of more in the following quarter. So yes, Q1 is a tough quarter to start. I think many chemical companies saw that impact, and it was a historic weather in the US. But the good news is that we did extremely well, and we are well positioned to recapture some of that EBITDA that we lost in Q1.

Dave Storms, Stonegate.

I just wanted to maybe circle back -- I wanted to circle back to Project Catalyst. Just curious as to what your anticipated impacts on that project are to Tier 2 and 3 customers. Is this going to make it easier for them to engage everyone there? Or is this going to be maybe a little more challenging for them since there's going to be less areas for them to go to interact with you guys?

No. Look, thanks, Dave, for the question. And look, the Project Catalyst have three levers, right? The first two levers are heavily focused on supply chain and footprint. But the third lever is very, very important, which is we are working on a more agile, accountable and productive organization that is going to accelerate the growth of the company in the future, right? So we are working those details right now.

We are going to announce more things in the future. But what we are planning to do with the new organizational structure and with all the investments that we're doing on automation and system is to actually facilitate the growth with Tier 2, Tier 3. We are very happy with the growth that we're having in this segment. We did mid-single digits in 2025, and I'm expecting this to grow even higher in 2026 as we facilitate to them doing business with us.

So there are plenty of investments that we're making on automation, systems and tools to make sure that we capture an even bigger share of the pie of the Tier 2, Tier 3 segment. So I think Project Catalyst is just great news for our Tier 2, Tier 3 customer segment.

Understood. And then if I could ask a clarification question. It sounded like the answer around demand loss in the first quarter due to the weather, it sounded like that was mostly based on polymer demand lost in the polymer segment. Are you seeing any demand loss in ag? I know Q1 tends to be a big ag quarter for you. Just curious as to what you're seeing given the weather that we've had in the US this year.

No, great point. Let me clarify. Out of the $6 million that I mentioned, the majority of that is Surfactants. That's where we saw the biggest impact and polymers, even though it's a low season, Q1 is a low season on reroofing.

Still, we saw a lot of delays from our customers because of the weather. So at the end, the $6 million is more surfactants than polymers, but it's not in ag. I mean ag continues growing very nicely. We're very happy with our ag business. We're very happy with our oilfield business.

We're very happy with our Tier 2, Tier 3 business. So we keep growing in all our strategic areas, and we will continue managing our commodity surfactants business to make sure that it's more productive and cost effective.

Understood. That's very helpful. One more, if I could. Just around your inventories. I know you mentioned that there tends to be a little bit of a lag there. I also know in the past, as the raw materials prices tend to increase, your inventory levels have increased as well. I noticed your inventory levels were actually down quarter-over-quarter. Is this you kind of learned your lessons from past inventory runoffs? Or is this just the lag that we should expect?

No. Look, I would say this is the normal lag of Q4. But the reality is that, of course, we are extremely focused on free cash flow. We will continue managing our working capital to ensure that we have what we need and no more. So free cash flow continues to be a key priority. We deleveraged the balance sheet and our leverage ratio went down to 2.5 because that's a key focus in the company. And having the right inventory levels is a priority for all of us.

And again, but in some of those cases, as I mentioned, I mean, when you have a supply chain from Asia, including all the way to copper and oil, all the way to produce methyl esters, all the way to bring those to the US is a very long supply chain. And of course, those have an impact when you think about the raw material situation that we have. But at the end, we feel good with our inventory levels, and we will keep optimizing our inventory levels as we streamline our footprint asset base.

David Silver, Freedom Capital Markets.

I just -- I have a bit of a scatter of questions, so I'm sorry to be a little disjointed. Regarding Project Catalyst, you did go to some detail as to what production would be reduced from the actions at Fieldsboro. I was wondering if you might be able to do the same for Millsdale and for your UK facility. In other words, are all of the facilities affected? Are they all in the commodity surfactant area? Or might there be some other areas affected? And should we assume that all of the activities will mainly affect Surfactants segment as opposed to polymers or specialty products?

Great point, David, welcome you back. And look, all is in Surfactants, we were -- you will see in the press release a little bit more details. It's about the alkoxylation assets in Millsdale and of course, we have great capacity and modern and state-of-the-art facility in Pasadena. So we want to make sure that we produce those products at the most cost-effective way, and that brings Pasadena.

And in the case of Stalybridge, it's also surfactants, of course, it's a surfactant site, but it's more a commodity, low margin, high CapEx organics business that we're exiting. This is a business that doesn't produce the return that we deserve, and we are exiting that business. So it's all surfactants and is to make sure that we improve the profitability and the return and the ROIC of the company.

Okay. Great. I wanted to ask a question about your CapEx guidance for 2026. So at a range of $105 million to $115 million, that is -- would be your lowest spend in several years, although if you go back a ways, it was a little bit lower. Should we think of the 2026 CapEx as your new base level for sustaining CapEx? Or might there be a certain amount of discretionary or growth-oriented CapEx? And if there is, could you just highlight the areas where you still feel discretionary CapEx is warranted in the current environment?

No. Good point, David. And you saw before COVID and all of that, we were running in the, call it, $100 million range for our normal CapEx. Now of course, we have a few new sites, right? We acquired two sites with INVISTA and we have Pasadena.

But look, the $110 million, let's take the midpoint, the $110 million reflects very -- I mean, some small but good growth capital projects and then our normal base CapEx for infrastructure, EH&S, IT, R&D and all of those buckets. So what I will say is you can call it less than $100 million for the normal base CapEx and then some growth CapEx on top. It's not significant, but it's still giving us the opportunity to move forward with the projects and the innovation plan that we have for the next few years.

Okay. Great. I had a question on the demand side, and maybe this relates more to North America and Europe, but maybe not. But amongst some other personal care ingredients producers that I track, there's been a lot of commentary about the stretched consumer middle income or thereabouts in the customer demographic.

And there's been a lot of talk for a while, but even recently about consumers trading down, right, in their choice of personal care, let's say, personal care products. Would you say -- would you maybe say that that's been part of your view here and now? And how are you kind of adapting to that somewhat evolving demand profile maybe to reflect a stretched kind of middle-income consumer for personal care?

Yes. No, very good points, David. And I think you are asking about personal care. I mean, if you think about it, I mean, you have two things, personal care and then you have all the cleaning piece. But on the personal care, what I will say is that's why our huge focus on Tier 2, Tier 3, right, and our huge focus on sulfate free.

When you think about personal care, you are rightly so that those are the dynamics, right? I mean you have consumers trading down, not only on personal care, but on overall cleaning and disinfection and laundry and all of that. So our focus of Tier 2, Tier 3 on sulfate free for personal care is the right focus to continue growing where the consumer is going, right? That's where the consumer is growing, and that's where we are investing, and that's where we're putting our focus.

Okay. Great. And then maybe just the last question. And this would have to do with kind of the global evolving kind of tariff situation. And I guess it's difficult to ask the question in the current environment because there's just been another announcement over the past couple of days.

But I'm thinking more of your global footprint and in particular, Mexico. And I'm just wondering if the current status of how the US is deploying their tariffs. I mean, has that had a negative impact on the ability of your assets to competitive -- to compete, let's say, for business in the US? Or how would you assess Stepan's overall positioning in the current tariff environment?

Look, tariff will continue to change. And you know better than me that this is an evolving thing. We are focusing on what we control. We have a great supply chain with a lot of options, and we will continue optimizing those options, right? The reality is that we had a nice -- I mean, we had a big impact -- not a big compared to our overall raw material prices, but we had an impact in 2025, and that's why I put it in my remarks, right?

I mean, inflationary pressures in raw material and tariff, we were not expecting that when we started 2025. And the reality is that all those millions of dollars add up. And we'll see where the new policy goes. I mean we have production in the majority of the regions where we source and where we serve our customers. So that gives us an advantage that we are very close to our customers, and that's the strategy. But of course, we need to continue evaluating every supply chain based on where these dynamics goes. But again, we expect 2026 to be as volatile as 2025 in regards to tariff, and we will look for every opportunity that we have in that front, including refunds of the previous tariffs that we paid.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn it back to Luis Rojo for closing remarks.

So thank you so much for joining us today. Have a nice and safe day. Thank you.

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