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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Signature Bank 2012 third-quarter results conference call. During today's presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for your questions.

(Operator Instructions) Today's conference is being recorded October 23, 2012. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joseph DePaolo, President and CEO, and Chief Financial Officer, Eric Howell. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for the Signature Bank 2012 third-quarter results conference call. Before I begin my formal remarks, Susan Lewis will read the forward-looking disclaimer. Please go ahead, Susan.

Thank you, Joe. This conference call and oral statements made from time to time by our representatives contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that are subject to risks and uncertainties. You should not place undue reliance on those statements, because they are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties related to our operations and business environment, all of which are difficult to predict and may be beyond our control.

Forward-looking statements include information concerning our future results, interest rates and the interest rate environment, loan and deposit growth, loan performance, operations, new private client team hires, new office openings, and business strategy. These statements often include words such as may, believe, expect, anticipate, intend, potential, opportunity, good, project, seek, should, will, would, plan, estimate, or other similar expressions.

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These factors include, but are not limited to, one, prevailing economic conditions; two, changes in interest rates, loan demand, real estate values, and competition, any of which can materially affect origination levels and gain on sale results in our business, as well as other aspects of our financial performance, including earnings on interest-bearing assets; three, the level of defaults, losses, and prepayment on loans made by us, whether held in portfolio or sold in a [hold on] secondary market, which can materially affect charge-off levels and required credit loss reserve levels.

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In light of these risks and uncertainties, you should keep in mind that any forward-looking statements made in this conference call or elsewhere may not reflect actual results. Now, I'd like to turn the call back to Joe.

Thank you, Susan. I will provide some overview into the quarterly results and then Eric Howell, our Chief Financial Officer, will review the Bank's financial performance in greater detail. Eric and I will address your questions at the end of our remarks.

The 2012 third quarter was another exceptional one, led by strong deposit growth, record loan growth and topline revenue growth, leading to our 12th consecutive quarter of record net income, while also improving our already strong credit quality position. First, let's address earnings.

Net income for the 2012 third quarter reached a record $47.7 million, or $1.00 diluted earnings per share, an increase of $9.3 million, or 24% compared with $38.4 million, or $0.83 diluted earnings per share reported in the same period last year. The considerable improvement in net income is mainly the result of an increase in net interest income, driven by continued core deposit and record loan growth. These factors were partially offset by an increase in non-interest expense.

Looking at the deposits, deposits increased $670 million to $13.6 billion this quarter. Core deposit growth for the quarter was $551 million. For the trailing 12-month period, deposits increased more than $2.4 billion, or 22%. Average deposits in the third quarter were $13.4 billion, up $2.1 billion, or 19%, compared with $11.3 billion for the 2011 third quarter. Non-interest-bearing deposits of $3.9 billion represented 28% of total deposits.

With our considerable deposit growth and earnings retention, total assets reached $16.5 billion, an increase of $2.6 billion or 19% versus last year's third quarter. The ongoing strong core deposit growth is attributable to the unparalleled level of service provided by our product client banking teams, who continue to act as a single point of contact to their clients.

Now, let's discuss loans. Loans during the 2012 third quarter increased a record $729 million, or 9%. Loans now represent more than 53% of our balance sheet, compared with 46% just one year ago. This transformation is notable if you consider that during this timeframe, we have grown our balance sheet in excess of $2.6 billion.

The increase in loans this quarter was across all lending businesses, including commercial and industrial, commercial real estate, and specialty finance. In the first nine months of 2012, loans had increased $1.9 billion, already surpassing all of 2011's record growth, while we maintained exceptional credit metrics.

Nonaccrual loans again declined to $28 million, representing 32 basis points of total loans in the quarter compared with $31.9 million, or 40 basis points, for the 2012 second quarter, and $51.1 million or 79 basis points for the 2011 third quarter. The allowance for loan losses was 1.18% of loans versus 1.21% in the 2012 second quarter, and 1.30% for the 2011 third quarter.

Additionally, the coverage ratio, or the ratio of allowance for loan losses to nonaccrual loans, further improved to 367%. The provision for loan losses for the 2012 third quarter was -- excuse me. It was $10.1 million compared with $10.3 million for the 2012 second quarter and $12.1 million for the 2011 third quarter.

Net charge-offs for the third quarter of 2012 were $4.6 million, or an annualized 22 basis points versus $4.7 million or 25 basis points for the 2012 second quarter and $7 million, or 44 basis points, for the 2011 third quarter.

Now, turning to past due loans on the watch list. During the 2012 third-quarter, our 30-day to 89-day past due loans decreased $27.6 million to $30.4 million, while the 90-day-plus past due category increased $14.3 million, to $30.9 million. Watch list credits again decreased this quarter by $13 million to $187 million, or 2.1% of total loans. While we are pleased our non-accrual and watch list loans decreased this quarter, and our credit metrics remain strong, we are mindful of the uncertainty in the economic environment and we again conservatively reserved.

Just to review recruiting for a moment, with the implementation of Signature Financial largely completed, we are focused on traditional team hiring and are pleased one team joined and another expanded with the hiring of a group director in the third quarter. Additionally, a team has already joined in the fourth quarter, which we announced last week, bringing our total new teams to four this year, while more than 50 professionals joined our specialty finance subsidiary, Signature Financial.

At this point, I'll turn the call over to Eric and he will review the quarter's financial results in greater detail.

Thank you, Joe, and good morning, everyone. I'll start by reviewing net interest income and margin.

Net interest income for the third quarter reached $141.7 million, up $23.8 million, or 20% when compared with the 2011 to third quarter and an increase of 6%, or $7.5 million, from the 2012 second quarter. Net interest margin increased 5 basis points in the quarter versus the comparable period a year ago, and then increased 2 basis points on a linked quarter basis to 3.56%. The linked quarter increase was mostly due to a $2.3 million increase in loan prepayment penalty income.

When you exclude prepayment penalty income from the 2012 second and third quarters, core net interest margin for the linked quarter declined 3 basis points to 3.41%.

Let's look at asset yields and funding costs for a moment. Overall, interest earning asset yields declined only 3 basis points this quarter to 4.25%, as it was assisted by an improved earning asset mix and an increase of $2.3 million in prepayment penalty income on loans to offset the continued low interest rate environment.

Given the continued low interest rate market and tighter spreads, coupled with strong loan growth, we were again very selective in securities purchases. As a result, yields on investment securities declined 8 basis points to 3.33%, and the duration remains stable at 2.8 years.

Turning to our loan portfolio, yields on average commercial loans, mortgages, and leases declined 2 basis points to 5.24% compared with the second quarter of 2012. Excluding prepayment penalties for both quarters, yields would have declined 15 basis points.

Now looking at liabilities, money market deposit costs this quarter further declined 4 basis points to 82 basis points, as we again decreased deposit costs given the low interest rate environment. This decrease, coupled with an increase of $286 million or 9% in average non-interest-bearing deposits, helped lead to a decline of 5 basis points to 62 basis points in our overall deposit costs.

On to non-interest income and expense. Non-interest income for the 2012 third quarter was $8.3 million, a decrease of $500,000 when compared with the 2011 third quarter. The decrease was due to a $1.2 million decline in net gains on sales of securities.

Non-interest expense for the third quarter of 2012 was $54.9 million versus $45.7 million for the same period a year ago. The $9.2 million, or 20% increase, was principally due to the addition of new private client banking teams and the Signature Financial hirings.

The Bank's efficiency ratio improved to 36.6% for the 2012 third quarter, compared with 38.1% for the 2012 second quarter as we are now gaining leverage from our specialty finance business. And turning to capital, our capital levels remain strong with a tangible common equity ratio of 9.63%, Tier 1 risk base of 16.15%, total risk-based ratio of 17.23%, and leveraged capital ratio of 9.60% as of the 2012 third quarter. Our capital ratios were all well in excess of regulatory requirements and augment the relatively low risk profile to the balance sheet.

And now I'll turn the call back to Joe. Thank you.

Thanks, Erik. This quarter, the evolution of our balance sheet continued with our third consecutive quarter of record loan growth, funded with solid deposit growth and leading to topline revenue growth and our 12th consecutive quarter of record earnings. Our steadfast commitment to depositor safety, first and foremost, is allowing Signature Bank to flourish in these tumultuous times and positions us for future success.

Now, we are happy to answer any questions you might have. Alicia, I'll turn it back to you.

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. (Operator Instructions) Bob Ramsay, FBR.

Good morning, guys. I was hoping -- I know, Eric, you said that you were selective in securities purchases and certainly didn't net-add the securities positions this quarter. Can we just talk a little bit about what you were purchasing, where you were reinvesting cash flows, and how you're thinking about the outlook for securities yield and net interest margin more generally?

Yes, we were very selective in securities deployment, especially given the loan growth that we've had. I mean, generally, we added to agency CMO's with lockout structures, specified MBS pools, some limited non-agency Re-REMICs, a small amount of financial corporate and some CMBS. In general, our yields were in the high 2%'s to low 3%'s.

I would expect that a reinvestment will remain in the high 2%'s to low 3%'s, given the continued loan pipeline that we have, Bob. So it should be able to help us with the pressures on the net interest margin.

Okay. And so are you thinking that altogether the margin trends will be similar to this quarter where you are down a couple, few bips? Is that a good way to think about it?

I would think so; a few basis points to several basis points, Bob. We certainly don't see margins going up in this interest rate environment.

Sure. And then you mentioned the loan pipeline there. Could you just talk a little bit about how the pipeline looks as you are headed into the fourth quarter and how to think about loan growth?

Well, we believe loan growth will be robust. The question is, is it going to be robust like the first quarter, second quarter, or third quarter. It's hard to say at this early part. But we do see pretty robust pipeline across the board in all businesses that we have, right now, in October. So it bodes well for us as we close out the year. But it's hard to say.

There are a couple of things that really mix it up. One is, with the fiscal cliff, we are seeing some companies -- that's an example -- do I buy the 50 trucks or lease the 50 trucks this quarter? Or do I wait to see what happens with the election and Congress before I decide whether I buy 30 trucks or 50 trucks?

So that's some uncertainty that creates, for us, uncertainty as to whether we're going to be at like the first quarter, second quarter, or third quarter. Having said that, those uncertainties, we are still seeing a very strong pipeline.

Okay. And do you think the best way to think about that issue in clients' minds is a timing issue, that once these sort of get past the end of the year and the election, and maybe there's a little bit more clarity around the budget, that then those orders come in, that it's a timing issue?

It may or not may not be. I guess it depends on the election. It could be a timing issue or a deferment issue. It's hard to say.

But the good news for us is, whatever the results are, it's a matter of how much growth we're going to have. It's going to be robust. But is it going to be similar to the first, second, or third quarters, it's still -- whether it's one of those three quarters, it's still robust growth.

Great. Thank you, guys.

Thanks, Bob.

Steven Alexopoulos, JPMorgan.

Hey, good morning, guys. I wanted to start, given the pressure on asset yield, some banks seem to be rethinking how low they could push deposit costs. And I know last quarter you talked about new money market clients coming in. I think you said 65 to 75 basis points range. Are you rethinking that as well as where you could push existing money market rates to? This 82 basis points still seems very high.

We are still -- well, if it's 82 basis points, the month of September was 81, as an example. So it's still trending downward. But we don't have the advantage of the retail. So there are many banks out there that have lower money markets and have the advantage of bringing in clients that keep $5000 or $10,000 and just pay them 25 bips, where our clients are still at the $5 million and $10 million and are commanding a much higher interest rate at the larger institutions, although you don't see it because there's so much retail mixed in.

So, we are not rethinking the 65 to 75. We are still bringing down that cost with some of our existing clientele who may be in the 80 or 90 range. The reason why we are not rethinking it is because we are seeing where they are coming from, Steve, they are getting the 65 and 75. So we have to match that.

But on November 1, next week, we'll be dropping some of our money market rates for those clients that are above that 81 basis point interest rate, so that will help bring it below 80. But we're not rethinking it at this moment. In fact, what we've seen, believe it or not, in the last few weeks, some banks have actually increased, for these particular clients, their rates.

Okay. I'm curious, maybe for Eric. Since the fourth quarter of 2011, comp expense has pretty consistently now been running over 20% year over year. Given the pace that you've been hiring new teams, should we be thinking about 20%-plus as sort of a new run rate for comp expense?

Yes, I think that we'll, for the fourth quarter, we should see 20% again. Remember, most of that was driven by the hiring that we did with Signature Financial right the end of the first quarter. So I would think, if you look into the first quarter of next year, again, we'll see a 20% growth. And then after that we should see it tail off a bit.

We had been growing, prior to Signature Financial coming on board, at a little bit below 10%. So I would think we'd go back down to that number, but we'll give better indications of that when we speak about fourth-quarter earnings.

Okay. Maybe just one final one, and I know this is not an easy one to answer. But given all the new recent team hires, do you guys have any stats which show your leverage or capacity you've created in the franchise with all these new hires?

Well, from a systems standpoint, we have a lot of runway. I think where we -- where the leverage is less, is where compliance comes in. And the regulations that -- the regulators are coming down more and more. With us having to do stress testing and with what's going on with the CFPB, the FDIC and the New York State Bank Department all coming in and doing reviews, it requires us to have a few more people. But that's unrelated to the teams.

From a systems standpoint and from the support they are getting, we are in good shape and there's a lot more runway there.

I think the easiest statistic to point to on that is our efficiency ratio, Steve, and we continue to make improvements of that quarter after quarter after quarter. Obviously, a little bit of a setback with the large hiring that we did with Signature Financial, but, again, we are already seeing the improvements two quarters into our Signature Financial hiring in the efficiency ratio. So they are already driving efficiencies there once again. So we continued to move that down consistently over the years as we hire these teams.

Okay. Thanks for all the color.

Casey Haire, Jefferies.

Good morning, guys.

Hey, Casey. Good morning.

Could you give us an idea on the loan growth this quarter in terms of how it was split between multifamily, asset-based lending, and C&I? It sounds like it was pretty balanced in the release. I was just looking for some incremental color.

Yes, the asset-based for Signature Financial is up a similar amount to the prior quarter, which is a little over $200 million. And then the rest was predominantly due to commercial real estate, and it was about a 50/50 split between multifamily and other forms of CRA. And then there was a slight uptick in our C&I lending.

Okay. And then can you give us an update in terms of pricing on each of those categories and how it's holding up?

On the commercial real estate for the multifamily, we are between 3.5% and 3.75% on our [straight] 5-year fixed, although there seems to be more pressure to be closer to the 3.5% than the 3.75%.

But anything other than multifamily, we usually like to have something with a 4% handle, although again, more recently, we've done a few deals on commercial office buildings that started with a very high 3%, like a 3.95%, 3.85%. But we really tried to be in the 4%'s for that. And our Signature (multiple speakers)

Yes, Signature Financial continues to come in right around the 4% handle as well.

One area where -- on C&I, the floaters, that's where we are seeing some real pressure. And something I said -- or we said in the last quarter earnings call was that we would give up some of the margin to put floaters on, because you need to have a good mixture of fixed and floating. And some of those floaters are very, very low 3%'s and very high 2%'s.

Okay. Last one for me. Just, I know it's hard, but can you give us your best guess in terms of what inning we are in in terms of the prepayment penalties?

That's very hard. I'm not even sure if we threw out the first pitch yet or we're calling in the reliever in the ninth inning. I mean, I know that's a wide disparity, but it's very, very hard because just last year, think of it this way.

In 2011, we had a record earnings -- I'm sorry, record earnings, of course, but we had record growth in loans. And so, some of those loans will want to refi and there will be some prepayment. That was a record for us. So they haven't started yet so it's very hard to say.

Okay. Thank you.

Jason O'Donnell, Merion Research.

Good morning. Nice quarter. It looks like the reserves to loans ratio came down a few basis points this quarter. Can you just give us some color around how you view the reserve at this point, in light of Signature Financial, and whether you expect to manage that lower going forward?

As a ratio, I would expect, as we continue to put on well-secured loans, whether it be in Signature Financial or in our commercial realtor real estate portfolio, in particular the multifamily, that you're going to see it as a ratio come down. I mean, we were traditionally, over our lifetime, with C&I lending. But as we've been building up the CRE portfolio, and now with Signature Financial and their well-secured portfolio, I would expect that overall that ratio is going to trend down over time.

Really, our competitors are, especially if you look at the multifamily space, putting, what, 50, 60 basis points in reserves on our loans. So it's very difficult for us to be competitive putting [120] in reserves on those well-secured loans. So I think you're going to see that trend continue to come down, Jason.

Okay. Great. That's helpful. And just going back to the margin issue, just given the differing trends with respect to the stated margin versus the core, how should we be thinking about that variance going forward? And I guess, specifically, I'm sort of wondering -- I mean, I assume you're going to have at least some prepayment penalties in interest income realistically for the foreseeable future. Is there a point at which we can get to potentially where those evaporate entirely?

Yes, I think eventually that's got to happen, right? If we are in a low interest rate environment for a prolonged period of time, there's going to be a point where everything is refinanced, right, Jason. And then, if we see a rising rate environment, we're probably going to have a rush for people to refi and lock in rates in front of a rising rate environment.

So there's obviously going to be a time when that comes to an end. But right now, we are seeing people who put loans on last year and the year before refi again already. So we've still got a ways to go in the refi wave.

That's why we've really focused on core NIM. The prepayment penalties can be very choppy and very hard for us to predict. But if we look at our core NIM, we expect that we'll see a similar trend to what we saw this quarter.

Okay. Great. And then one final housekeeping. I apologize if I missed it, but can you just give us the OREO balance at the end of the quarter?

There was no OREO.

Zero. Thanks, guys.

Chris McGratty, KBW.

Good morning. Eric, maybe I missed it. How should we think about the overall size of the investment portfolio, I guess, over the next year, year and a half, as the growth in the earning asset remix continues?

We are hoping to see similar trends. It's predominantly going to be driven on how strong the positive growth comes in and how strong loan growth is. But we really liked the way that this quarter shaped up, where we were able to move some of our loan growth, move some of the securities into loans, given the growth in loans slightly outpaced the growth in deposits. And that's somewhat ideal in this environment for us.

But we'll see, as deposit growth can be choppy. And we certainly have opportunities there and we certainly see deposit growth continuing to be robust. But we'd like the level of the securities portfolio to really stay where it is today, if not trend down slightly.

Great. And one other question on the investment portfolio. Obviously, it it's yet to be determined what the impact of QE3 will be, but can you help us with payment -- maybe your thoughts on the prepayment speeds in the MBS program, especially what the premium you have on the books is today?

Actually, premium amortization was flat this quarter to the prior quarter, so that was strong for us. We really put in a lot of protective structures and underlying collateral to help us out with that.

Remember, we started moving the securities duration out two years ago to protect from this interest rate environment. And we've been very selective in deploying into the securities portfolio, which has helped us to find securities with a little bit better yield and a little bit better protective structures to them. So we certainly expect that we will continue to have pressures from QE3, but it's obviously nothing that we can't overcome, as demonstrated by this quarter.

Great. Last one. What's the tax rate we should be using?

At least 44% going forward. We still have some noise related to those CRE investments that we made and the write-downs on those, and we're still looking to get our arms around all that. So we conservatively use the 44% rate this quarter.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

Erika Penala, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Good morning. I just had one follow-up question to Bob's earlier query on the bond portfolio. Eric, I have to confess, I'm quite the bond dummy. And so it feels like quarter over quarter, your securities yields continued to outperform that of other banks in terms of the compression. Right? And obviously, the loan growth in terms of that is a deployment avenue helps, and your duration is staying pretty tight at 2.8 years.

Could you give us a little more color within what you are reinvesting in the agency CMO's, the limited non-agency Re-REMICs? Is there short of a credit -- a little bit more of a credit risk that you're taking that's maybe -- I guess if you could just sort of explain how you are able to get a high 2%, low 3% reinvestment rate if the duration of staying so flat.

Well, it is really beneficial for us to have the loan growth, because it's really allowed us to be far more selective in the securities portfolio. And we can pick up odd lot pieces that give us a little bit better yield. But it's really, we've been working on finding securities that have pre-pay structures that are better than the other securities.

And there's a lot a work that goes into that, and it's very general in the way I laid it out, but we don't want to give away all of our secrets because, unfortunately, net continues to bring in spreads as our competitors try to search out those same assets. But it's a lot of HARP and HAMP paper. We like securities that have underlying loans with high LTVs so it's difficult for people to refi that.

We like loan balance paper where if people seem to -- if they've got a $70,000 loan and they've been making the payments for the last 10 years, and they're just going to continue to make that payment and not look to refi that. So there's a couple different strategies that we've employed, and again, we stuck to those structures that have helped us to have tighter prepaid windows.

So it's all those things added together. It's our ability to be ultra-selective in this environment that's helped us to keep it this way. And like I said earlier, before, we started bringing our duration out two years ago and that has certainly helped us as well.

Got it. Okay. Thank you.

Herman Chan, Wells Fargo.

Hi. Thanks for taking my call. Previously, you guys mentioned in the prior quarter that half of the specialty finance origination was taxi medallion. What was that breakdown in the current quarter? And looking forward, should we expect that mix to change with any potential ramp up in equipment financing or transportation financing? Thanks.

I mean, it was roughly the same overall; about 45% of their portfolio is in taxi medallions. Because we already had that business line here at Signature, they were able to ramp that up little bit faster than maybe similar areas, so I would expect the other areas to begin to pick up a bit more. But in general, that's probably going to be their biggest asset class.

Got it. And on traditional C&I, it appears that contributes to loan growth load in the quarter. What are you seeing there and potentially going forward? And also can you talk about line utilization at this time?

Well, we expect -- the last several quarters we saw a lot of activity that it didn't result in growth. And now we are seeing the benefit of all that activity that has taken place. And the growth that we had this quarter, we continue to expect for the next several quarters.

We hired a team back in the first quarter that their expertise was middle market C&I and that is starting to kick in. And we're also getting some opportunities to do some other deals. And we want to put the C&I on our books, like I had said earlier.

We are willing to give up some margin to put the floaters on, because we believe that you need to have a good mixture of fixed and floating for our portfolio. So the expectation, albeit not at the same level of Signature Financial, and not at the same level of commercial real estate, is still -- will be growth similar to what we had this quarter.

In terms of line utilization, we actually had -- in the month of July and August, we had our absolute lows in line utilization in both July and August, although it ticked up in September. So the unusual thing was that it was the lowest we've have since 2008, or maybe even before then, in terms of utilization.

Got it. Thanks.

Dave Rochester, Deutsche Bank.

Nice quarter, guys. So with the DDA guarantee expiration this quarter, are you guys anticipating any runoff at all in that portfolio due to that?

Do you mean the expiration of the transaction account guarantee program -- TAG?

Yes.

We expect some, but nothing that would significantly affect the institution.

Okay. So it sounds like you're still expecting similarly robust levels of deposit growth in 4Q.

Yes. We hope that the loan growth is more robust than the deposit growth.

Yes. Got it. And back on the taxes real quick, it sounded like 44% was maybe a little conservative. Is there a chance that that goes down next year?

Yes, there's definitely a chance that that goes down next year.

So maybe 43% or 43.5%? Just trying to get a rough sense.

For next year, I would go with 43%.

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys.

Peyton Green, Sterne, Agee.

Yes. Good morning. I have one question for you all. Certainly this has been a big year in terms of adding to the capacity and the diversification of the business. But what do you think -- what opportunities lie in front of you as we move into next year? Maybe just talk about kind of the general normal hiring that you do, plus any particular strategic opportunities.

Well, strategic opportunities, we probably would not speak about because we wouldn't want to let others know what we are thinking. But at least on the asset generation side, having added another leg to the stool, maybe we would add an additional leg to the stool. As we are looking at our strategic plan for 2013 and 2014, without letting you know exactly what that leg would be, we are always looking for opportunities to see how we can diversify the asset generation side of the balance sheet.

Now, in terms of teams, we'll give a little bit more guidance in January when we do the fourth-quarter earnings release. But we've probably always looked at, in the last several years, one team per quarter, particularly since we hired this year four teams, brand-new teams, and we also added on a whole subsidiary. We don't need much in terms of add-ons to keep the growth.

I guess I was just wondering to what degree the pipeline was at the end of the quarter.

The pipeline for team growth was pretty depleted. We wanted -- usually at this time of the year, we start looking into teams to add on around the March timeframe of the following year. So our expectations are that we wouldn't add on any more teams for the remainder of this year, wait until bonuses are paid, and focus more on the end of the first quarter. So that pipeline will probably look very different three months from now than it does today in terms of team growth.

Okay. Great. Thank you.

I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I'd like to turn the conference back to management.

Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in Signature Bank. As always, we look forward to keeping you apprised of our developments and, Alicia, I'll turn it back to you.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.