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  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Sinclair Broadcast Group First Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions)

  • It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Lucy Rutishauser, the floor is yours, ma'am.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thank you, operator. Participating on the call with me today are Chris Ripley, President and CEO; Rob Weisbord, President of Broadcast and Chief Operating Officer; and Steve Zenker, Vice President of Investor Relations.

  • Before we begin, I want to remind everyone that slides and supplemental information for today's earnings call are available on our website, sbgi.net, on the Investor Information page and on the earnings webcast page.

  • Now Billie Jo McIntire will make our forward-looking statement disclaimer.

  • Billie McIntire

  • Certain matters discussed on this call may include forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, future operating results. Such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results in the future could differ from those described in the forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors, such factors have been set forth in the company's most recent reports as filed with the SEC and included in the first -- the company undertakes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.

  • The company uses its website as a key source of company information, which can be accessed at www.sbgi.net. In accordance with Regulation FD, this call is being made available to the public. A webcast replay will be available on our website and will remain available until the next quarterly earnings release.

  • Included on the call will be a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, specifically adjusted EBITDA, adjusted free cash flow and leverage. The company considers adjusted EBITDA to be an indicator of the operating performance of its assets. The company also believes that adjusted EBITDA is frequently used by industry analysts, investors and lenders as a measure of valuation. These measures are not formulated in accordance with GAAP and are not meant to replace GAAP measurements and may differ from other companies' uses or formulations. The company does not provide reconciliations on a forward-looking basis. Further discussions and reconciliations of the company's non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures can be found on its website, www.sbgi.net.

  • Chris Ripley will now take you through our operating highlights.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. 2 weeks ago, we notified the investment community via an 8-K filing that we would be deconsolidating Diamond from our financials. This is a consequence of Diamond's new financing which dictated how Diamond's Board of managers would be selected and certain significant operating decisions approved. While on the surface, this may seem to add complexity, we believe it will result in a more simplified, transparent and focused valuation and credit story for our various stakeholders.

  • While Diamond will no longer be included in Sinclair's financial results beginning on March 1, 2022, Sinclair continues to own nearly 100% of the equity of Diamond, and the deconsolidation is not intended to indicate a change in our commitment to Diamond's success or a change in Diamond's future business plans.

  • I'll turn it over to Lucy to speak more about the mechanics and implications of the deconsolidation.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thank you, Chris. The deconsolidation of Diamond is a required GAAP accounting treatment, and all impacts from it are noncash in nature. The date of deconsolidation was March 1, 2022, which was to date the Diamond first lien financing closed.

  • The deconsolidation of Diamond resulted in a noncash gain of approximately $3.4 billion, which was primarily driven by the fact that Diamond was in a net liability position at the time of deconsolidation. Post March 1, Diamond is accounted for under the equity method of accounting. And as a reminder, DSG is a separate debt silo which is nonrecourse to Sinclair.

  • In addition, Marquee will be deconsolidated from Diamond's financials as of March 1 and will be accounted for under the equity method of accounting. Later today, we will file a Form 8-K which will contain pro forma financial statements for the year ended December 31, 2021, reflecting Sinclair as if deconsolidation of Diamond occurred as of January 1, 2021. On our website, we've included supplemental and historical pro forma numbers for Sinclair so you can align your models. If you have any questions, please reach out to our Investor Relations department.

  • Because of the deconsolidation, our earnings releases will no longer include guidance for Diamond, as you saw in this morning's release. However, our website will include some high-level estimates as well as Diamond's quarterly and annual financials, which we will continue to post there each quarter.

  • Lastly, the format of our earnings calls will change. Today, we will bifurcate the call and do a Sinclair-only portion, addressing Sinclair's pro forma results, followed by a Diamond portion of the call. Next quarter, we will have 2 separate calls. We remain committed to continuing to provide financial information and commentary regardless of the format.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • I'll let Rob and Lucy go over the first quarter operating and financial results in just a moment. But first, I would like to give some strategic comments.

  • Over the last few quarters, I have talked about the value of our investment portfolio, which we estimate is over $18 a share. The portfolio is made up of investments in real estate, venture capital and private equity holdings and direct strategic investments in companies. One comment we've heard from investors is whether we can or are willing to monetize that value. The answer is, of course, we are. Which is clearly evidenced from the monetization of our investments even in recent years.

  • For example, in 2022 year-to-date alone, we've monetized approximately $40 million of investments, generating an annualized return of 30% and a multiple on invested capital of 1.8x. All 3 of these investments were acquired within the last 3 years. Not only do we continue to be opportunistic in monetizing these investments above just a simple return, but our initial thesis to enter into them is often steeped in how we can -- how they can strategically benefit us and the future direction of the organization.

  • Saankhya Labs is 1 such example that I will talk about in a moment. And keep in mind, our investment portfolio as a whole has generated an approximate 24% average rate of return since 2014. One of the recent holdings to which we've agreed to monetize our investment was Saankhya. In March, it was announced that Saankhya, an entity for which we had held at 49% interest was being acquired by Tejas Networks, an Indian-based technology company which produces optical and data networking products and majority owned by Tata Group.

  • You might recall Saankhya is a valued partner of ours that is developing chips for mobile devices for use in receiving ATSC 3.0 broadcast signals. Tejas will be the first -- will first be acquiring a large portion of Saankhya, followed by a merger with the rest of Saankhya in the future. The result will be an initial cash payment to Sinclair of $22 million, monetizing a portion of Sinclair's ownership, with Sinclair eventually expected to hold 1.5 million shares of Tejas Networks after the merger is completed.

  • Tejas Networks is publicly traded on the National Indian Exchange, and the 1.5 million shares would have a value of about $9 million at current price and exchange rate. This is an IRR of over 30% over the 2.5-year investment period.

  • An additional value for the transaction is that Saankhya gains a new parent company, Tata, which has significant resources and is committed to driving continued progress and innovation, especially around NextGen's potential in the Indian market and globally. We certainly look forward to continuing to work with Saankhya, Tejas and Tata in the future.

  • The hidden value in our company goes beyond our investment portfolio. Other assets like Tennis Channel, NewsOn and Compulse360 carried meaningful upside that should be valued above the standard broadcast multiple. You can expect to hear more about these important assets going forward with increased transparency around both their operating results and their growth potential in the years ahead.

  • For those of you who are not familiar with Compulse360, it is our marketing technology business that offers a SaaS platform, combining sales enablement, order management fulfillment and analytics into one consolidated solution for local media companies, agencies and small businesses. Compulse360 has grown significantly over the last 3 years, aided by acquisitions and organic client additions. Its revenue is expected to surpass $100 million this year driven by the rollout of incremental capabilities including a new planning tool, streaming integrations and location-based advertising and a self-serve OTT solution, which will increase its appeal and broaden its market potential.

  • The key takeaway is that we have significant value in our company beyond our broadcast business. We remain committed to monetizing our holdings through a number of different avenues with an eye towards adding value for our shareholders, either directly or indirectly.

  • I would now like to point out a couple of our ESG initiatives we are working on around reducing our companies and our viewers' impact on the planet. We launched our battery recycling pilot at a number of our locations in April and also ran a public service campaign with all of our TV stations and RSNs for Earth Day and the month of April, encouraging viewers to recycle their batteries by dropping them off at Batteries Plus, a partner of ours for the campaign, or in other recycling locations.

  • We also switched to notice and access for our annual report this year, reducing our printed paper accounts by approximately 90%, which reduced our annual report and proxy costs by almost 50%.

  • Also, I want to say that we are honored that the renowned Dr. Ben Carson, an experienced Board Director and former U.S. presidential primary candidate and former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, has agreed to stand for election to Sinclair's Board of Directors in June as we continue to seek out those with diversity of thought, experience and skills to strengthen our company.

  • On the NextGen front, we had a very exciting NAB Conference. ATSC 3.0 our NextGen was the main attraction, and we had announcements and demonstrations around its many use cases, including precision GPS.

  • Just a couple of weeks ago, we announced an important partnership with USSI Global. Together, we are offering a pilot of the first commercial datacasting use of NextGen in the U.S. USSI Global will utilize NextGen technology to bring curated content and targeted advertising to its electric vehicle charging stations while allowing for the collection of audience data and impression-based analytics.

  • This is the first step in a new area of business for us, data delivery as a service. We expect this will be an attractive source of revenue generation in the years ahead. While this technology can be utilized in many ways across many different industries, the electric vehicle opportunity alone is significant. The U.S. Department of Transportation has earmarked $5 billion towards the goal of 500,000 EV charging stations nationwide by 2030 to meet the surge in the production and demand of electrical vehicles, which has already commenced.

  • On a higher level, this is a significant announcement that validates the digital promise that there are ancillary services that can generate incremental dollars for broadcasters. This is a first small step to opening that door to future possibilities in many different use cases.

  • Another aspect of NextGen that will be critical to its success and its -- and the development of the tools to allow the emerging of broadcast and broadband services. Sinclair has contributed significantly to the creation of a solution that all broadcasters will be able to utilize. This technology will allow efficient use of channels to maximize data business opportunities.

  • And we've greatly invested -- we have invested a great deal of time and effort to develop the technological tools to enable consumers to access broadcast or Internet content through both fixed and mobile devices and, at the same time, have space left to deliver other content or data.

  • We are committed to ensuring that this access is available to all parts of the ecosystem. This explains why we've decided to develop and deploy a broadcast app open to all via a free open-sourced license. A common approach utilized across the entire broadcast industry will be the most efficient and effective way to promote consumer adoption and help all parties monetize the significant opportunities NextGen offers.

  • I'd now like to turn it over to Rob Weisbord, our Chief Operating Officer, who along with Lucy, will go over Sinclair's first quarter results.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Good morning, everyone. My commentary in this section will strictly be related to our broadcast and other businesses only. The year started strong with first quarter pro forma media revenue up significantly over the prior year, and at the top end of our guidance range. Political is tracking above our expectations, and we look forward to 2022 having a record midterm election spend.

  • On the content front, we continue to build our viewership for The National Desk with its 36 hours of programming each week. We recently launched an hour-long weekend edition, and we will be debuting a daily TND weather program, which will start on our digital and social platforms before expanding to linear later in the year.

  • And our award-winning news programming continues to garner recognition, winning 60 awards so far this year, including its fourth consecutive year of being honored with the prestigious IRE award for an outstanding investigating reporting. This year it was WBFF/Fox Baltimore which won for its reporting on Baltimore's Public School System. WBFF has won 3 IRE awards since it created its investigative news team in 2017.

  • On a cumulative basis, Sinclair has won over 1,000 awards over the last 3 years. Everyone at Sinclair is proud of our news team and their dedication and results to serving the public.

  • In our Tennis business, stand-alone fast channel T2 launched on Samsung TVs during the quarter, putting a new Tennis channel product in front of a platform that's been reported to reach 25 million to 30 million viewers. All Samsung TVs made since 2017 carries the channel to viewers. And during big events like the French Open, Miami Open, T2 is given prominent position at the front of Samsung's fast channel lineup. T2 carries unique live court coverage year-round that is not covered on the Tennis Channel and Tennis Channel Plus.

  • Tennis Channel Plus streamed hours more than doubled, and authenticated streaming of linear Tennis Channel was up 170% as viewers increasingly watch tennis on a cross-platform experience.

  • In April, we rolled out our second tennis predictor game, a free-to-play game in conjunction with the Indian Wells tournament, and we will be adding new features for future tennis gamification efforts. In fact, we will continue our work on integrating game centers and game zones across all our platforms, including our websites, encouraging participation and creating incentives like earning points that can be used for prizes and exclusive content and experience not available anywhere else.

  • I'll conclude my remarks by noting how pleased we are with the renewal of our multiyear distribution agreement with Charter, which includes our local broadcast stations, the Tennis Channel, the 19 Bally Sports RSNs, Marquee and the YES Network.

  • I'll now turn it over to Lucy, who will delve deeper into Sinclair financials.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thank you, Rob. Given the deconsolidation of Diamond on March 1 of this year and in order to have a meaningful discussion around comparative results and trends, I'm going to speak to the Sinclair only pro forma numbers for all periods, which excludes dispositions made in 2021 and does not include Diamond and any intercompany transactions with them. For actual results, including the 2 months of this year that Diamond was consolidated, please refer to this morning's earnings release.

  • After the deconsolidation of the Local Sports segment, Sinclair will now be synonymous with what we have called broadcast and corporate and other on recent earnings calls. There are supplemental slides and pro forma posted on our website to assist in your modeling and analysis. And as mentioned earlier, this portion of the call is only for the broadcast segment and other and corporate. The Local Sports or Diamond results will be handled in the second portion of this conference call.

  • Media revenues for the quarter were at the high end of our guidance range and up 9% versus the same period a year ago on a pro forma basis, driven by higher distribution and political ad revenues. Distribution revenues increased 7% versus last year and beat the high end of our guidance range primarily due to more favorable revenue from the virtual distributors.

  • Core advertising increased 3% in the first quarter compared to the same period a year ago and was in line with our expectations, while total advertising revenues increased 7% over last year. Although media expenses were 7% higher in this year's first quarter versus last year, they were favorable to our guidance on both timing of expenses and lower news and G&A cost.

  • Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter grew 14% over the first quarter of last year and more than exceeded the high end of guidance. Earnings per share for the quarter, excluding Diamond for the 2 months, the noncash deconsolidation gain and other adjustments, was $1.23 per share. Adjusted free cash flow of $176 million in the quarter, or $2.40 per share, also came in stronger than our expectations and grew over last year by $48 million. So in short, this was a very strong first quarter for us.

  • As Chris pointed out, with the investor focus on Diamond for the past 2 years, it's easy to overlook that this is the 14th of the last 16 quarters where SBG met or exceeded media revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance. The 2 outlier periods were due to the cyber incident and the initial impact of COVID in Q1 of 2020. And I think you'll agree that meeting or exceeding expectations for all but 2 quarters out of the last 4 years is a strong track record of delivering on expectations.

  • Our liquidity and balance sheet remains strong with $521 million of cash at the end of the quarter. And with an undrawn revolver, our liquidity was almost $1.2 billion at quarter end. Total debt at the end of the first quarter was $4.4 billion, and SBG's first-lien indebtedness ratio on a trailing 8 quarters basis was 2.9x on a covenant of 4.5x and 4.3x on a net leverage basis through the bonds, which continues to be in our target range and better than many in our peer group.

  • Of our $176 million of free cash flow generated during the quarter, $7 million was allocated to debt repayments and $18 million to common stock dividends. And if you recall in our last earnings call, we announced a 25% increase to the quarterly dividend rate per share. We also resumed our 10b5-1 stock buyback program during the quarter, repurchasing since our February earnings report, another almost 1.5 million shares. Year-to-date, we have repurchased a total of 3.5 million shares at an average price of $26.60 were $94 million of buybacks.

  • Our repurchases were almost 5% of our 2021 shares outstanding. So when you consider our first quarter free cash flow, over 65% of it has gone towards debt repayment and shareholder returns.

  • Turning to our second quarter guidance. We expect another strong quarter for political, which is the main driver for media revenues increasing approximately 4% to 7% versus pro forma second quarter last year. Second quarter total advertising revenue is expected to be up high single digit to low-teen percent versus Q2 of last year. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA is expected to be $153 million to $170 million compared to $193 million pro forma last year.

  • While total advertising and net retrans are expected to grow in the quarter, the lower amount is primarily the result of technology and infrastructure upgrades, management fee deferral and marketing, content and NextGen initiatives. Free cash flow for the second quarter is expected to be $246 million to $266 million or $3.46 to $3.74 per share for the quarter.

  • And so with that, I would like to open it up to questions related only to the broadcast and other segments. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your first question is coming from Aaron Watts of Deutsche Bank.

  • Aaron Lee Watts - Research Analyst

  • I got a couple of questions. I wanted to start on the advertising side. I apologize if I missed this. But Lucy, did you say what core was pacing in the second quarter?

  • And then beyond that, are you seeing any signs that inflation or other concerns around an economic slowdown, recession looming are impacting advertiser spend or commitments or buying decisions from your partners?

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Yes, Aaron, this is Rob. I'll answer it. Currently, we are watching for the inflation, but we haven't seen the results of softening at this point. But we are factoring in what we're looking at to ensure that we're covering our bases in case inflation sets in.

  • And the core guidance will be that -- we will exceed what our revenues were in 2018 and 2019.

  • Aaron Lee Watts - Research Analyst

  • Okay. Got it. And then Secondly, Chris, on the last call, you commented that net retransmission fees for the station group were expected to grow in the low single-digit context for 2022. With the Charter renewal now completed, can you update us on that metric, since that low single-digit net retrans growth rate impacted for this year? And if you're comfortable, maybe what you're expecting for net retrans growth next year as well.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Sure. So we did exceed our expectations on the Charter renewal. That being said, the overall net retrans guide for this year will still be low single digits.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. And Aaron, if I could just -- Aaron, if I can just come back to one thing that Rob talked about. The total revenue, total ad revenues is to -- we're looking at that to exceed 2018, 2019, Q2.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Which I think is particularly important, Aaron, as everyone can appreciate that those are both unaffected pre-pandemic quarters, and 2018 was a political year as well. So obviously, political is coming in very strong, like we mentioned, and setting up for a great year.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Aaron, you should note that both issue and candidate money is very strong since the beginning of the year, which will bode obviously some crowd out. But we will have rates increasing due to the demand for our inventory.

  • Aaron Lee Watts - Research Analyst

  • Okay. That's encouraging. And Lucy, or Rob, is the -- what you said about core still true, that it should still be up versus those prior periods?

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes, it's -- Aaron, will probably be a little bit down to those periods just for what Rob said, which is that we're seeing in -- political in the second quarter is running a lot hotter than it had in '18. And so we are seeing, in certain day parts, some crowd-out effect. But that's all a good thing because at the end of the day, the total ad revenues are pacing up.

  • Aaron Lee Watts - Research Analyst

  • Got it. Okay. Less about the kind of ad environment, more about the kind of political crowd out.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Yes, it's a political crowd-out. If you look at the strength of our stations in Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, you're seeing extensive spending. So that crowd-out will naturally affect our core business.

  • Operator

  • The next question is coming from Dan Kurnos of The Benchmark Company.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Can we just dive a little bit deeper into the core commentary just around category strength and what you guys are seeing. It doesn't sound like any of the March national weakness has filtered over into local. But -- and it sounds like, given some of the strength in sports ratings, sports betting is still pretty healthy. So maybe just some category color from where you're seeing to backstop your commentary would be a good start. And I have a follow-up.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Yes. As we've stated over the last several calls, our reliance on auto has been mitigated by our focus is in the service, retail, food categories. And those remain strong. And so that bodes well for when auto does return, and we expect it to return. We've spoken to many large Tier 3 auto groups, and they're holding on to their co-op money to spend when the chip shortage is solved. And the expectations are now towards the end of 2022 into 2023. So with the political crowd-out, it increases our viability going to even 2023.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Got it. And then just on the retrans, I mean, maybe more academic given Chris' comments around the Charter renewal and low single-digit net. But I -- just help us understand, so Lucy made commentary that the virtuals drove the upside. I mean, it's a pretty substantial upside in Q1. I don't know if there's any other noise from you guys resetting some of your prior deals having escalators on Jan 1, or if there was something else in there. I don't know if Charter is going to be -- if you're going to have a true-up given that the deal was pushed out. But just can you help us think why there would be a step down in 2Q after sort of the significant upside in Q1? I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of what's going on.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. So we did have some estimates in for the charter renewal in our Q1. So that was already taken into account. We did see some strength in some of the virtuals, as I mentioned in Q1. However, we are seeing on some of the traditional MVPDs, a couple that have reported recently, a little bit of softening in their churn. So we've taken that into account in the -- in our estimates.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Then maybe just -- I guess, Lucy, it would help just in terms of the cadence of the year. Just remind us what else is up the rest of this year.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. So nothing major for the rest of this year. And in fact, nothing major, really, for the next, call it, 18 months.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Okay. I guess I'll ask -- get back in the queue and ask questions on the second half of the call.

  • Operator

  • The next question is coming from Steven Cahall of Wells Fargo.

  • Steven Lee Cahall - Senior Analyst

  • So thanks for giving the free cash flow number for the quarter. Just curious if that's something you might think about guiding to for the year, along with the rest of your guidance. All of your peers usually give annual or 2-year free cash flow. Now that it's not co-mingled with Diamond, I was just wondering if that's something you might provide, as it'll probably help us value the stand-alone broadcast business.

  • And with that, I was wondering if you could comment on the state of your NOLs now that you're deconsolidating Diamond.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. So I'll do the last one first. So no change on the NOLs. The diamond deconsolidation is an accounting treatment only. No impact from a tax standpoint. And then on the free cash flow, that is something, Steven, we're going to take a look at. We used to provide that pre-pandemic. And so we'll take another look at about providing some kind of a future range there.

  • Steven Lee Cahall - Senior Analyst

  • Great. And then maybe just also as it relates to the relationship between Diamond and Sinclair. I imagine that Diamond benefited a lot doing affiliate renewals and ad sales along with STG. Now that you all don't have the same control of the Board of Diamond like you used to, does that change that strategy at all? Does it push the TV group to act a little bit more independently, or at arm's length? Or do you still expect to share a lot of the strategy between the 2?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Steve. This really doesn't change the operating relationship between Sinclair and Diamond. There is -- of course, we own nearly 100% of the equity. And also, there is the management agreement between the 2, which is really the important relationship or important aspect of the relationship. So we don't expect that this accounting change will change the way we operate at all.

  • Operator

  • The next question is coming from David Karnovsky of JPMorgan.

  • David Karnovsky - Analyst

  • Chris, just regarding the data casting opportunity that you were speaking about for your spectrum. What do you think the time line is from here in terms of completing the tech rollout, signing up business partners to new models, and then ultimately having us be a material amount of revenue for Sinclair stations or for the industry?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes. So some of the most promising applications that we saw at NAV, probably came from Fifth half around precision GPS and demand response for utilities, which just to get a little deeper on that. That's when -- as utilities rely more on renewable energy, balancing supply and demand is becoming an increasingly hard task. And the patent has developed a way for them to essentially negotiate with all of their millions of end users simultaneously to balance supply and demand.

  • So we think that's a really great application, enhanced GPS for any number of things, from making sure e-scooters aren't left on the sidewalk and fined, to autonomous vehicles knowing exactly where they are. As it turns out normal GPS can be -- have an error rate of up to 10 meters, which we can significantly impact through our ATSC 3.0 technology and correction data.

  • And those applications, along with our trial with USSI Global, I think they will start to yield revenue for the industry next year. And I expect that will start to ramp quickly as people realize how the use cases within NextGen, I'm talking beyond broadcast here, brings significant advantages to the ecosystem. And as that happens, the developer ecosystem around NextGen will proliferate and more use cases will be developed.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Barton Crockett of Rosenblatt Securities.

  • Barton Evans Crockett - MD & Senior Internet Media Analyst

  • Just one kind of smaller thing because some of the bigger things I was interested in have been covered. But on other revenue within the television group, I think in 2021, that was $176 million, of which, $111 million was services, I think, provided to Diamond that were eliminated on consolidation.

  • So I just want to be clear what the treatment is now with the deconsolidation, is that no longer eliminated? And how should we think about that? And what that would mean also for the equity and JV part of Diamond going forward, to the extent you can talk about that here.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • No, I can take it. So you're correct. The management fees were eliminated between the 2 entities, now that will not happen. So the Sinclair silo will be recognizing the cash portion only of the management fee, and that will run through the revenue. And then Diamond, it will be reflecting the full contractual expense amount before its adjusted EBITDA, will be adding back the deferred portion.

  • Barton Evans Crockett - MD & Senior Internet Media Analyst

  • Okay. But maybe I can follow-up on that was, were those $111 million of fees in 2021, is that now what's been deferred with the refinancing? Or is there still -- is that still going to be coming in going forward?

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. I mean, look, we've given a range of this before. But for the full year, the total management fee is -- I'm rounding these numbers, about $140 million. Of that, $60 million is paid in cash and $80 million is deferred.

  • Barton Evans Crockett - MD & Senior Internet Media Analyst

  • Okay. All right. And then to switch gears a little bit. With the deconsolidation, how does that impact your capacity and interest in share repurchase? I mean, you guys have been active in the past, and I don't know if this makes you more interested. Or just talk about what this does for your kind of appetite for your own shares at this point.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Sure. So it is really it's just an accounting change. So it really changes nothing about the fundamentals of the company from an economic perspective. But I do think it actually makes the story simpler for everyone to understand, for all our stakeholders to understand. So we're going to use this as an opportunity to retell our story, make it simpler.

  • And in terms of buying back our stock, we have tremendous appetite for that. We think we're incredibly undervalued. The sum of the parts story is still the same as it was last quarter, if not stronger. And so our appetite is there regardless of the deconsolidation.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Lance Vitanza of Cowen.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Most of my questions are on the Diamond side. But as long as I have you, I will ask, are you getting any feedback from advertisers that would lend any credence to the recession fears that seem to be gripping so much of the markets over the past 3, 4 weeks?

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • Yes. We continue to monitor. We speak with our clients on a daily basis. And right now, they're still hanging tough with their advertising. But like I said earlier, we will continue to monitor this and have ongoing conversations with these advertisers. We're presenting plans to them in case their fears get magnified in a bigger way.

  • So we have all the data points to show that, even during tough economic times, those that advertise come out of the tough economic times in a stronger position in the marketplace. So we are having those conversations now in case the situation worsens.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from David Hamburger of Morgan Stanley.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • I have a quick question with regard to -- I mean, you stated here now that Sinclair remains owner of nearly 100% of DSG. I guess in the past, I've noticed with disclosures, you've said that you own more than 90%. Can you remind us exactly what the ownership structure is? How much do you own? The minority shareholders, I believe, maybe Byron Allen and others, are they still a minority? And how much they own.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes, that's correct, David. The one minority shareholder is Byron Allen. And it's a very small amount, and that's why we say nearly 100%.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • Okay. And notwithstanding the $3.4 billion noncash gain, in your -- kind of your sum of the parts analysis for Sinclair in terms of your asset portfolio, how are you valuing the DSG equity ownership stake?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • So in the sum of the parts that we have talked about we have not included any credit for the equity of Diamond. However, I think that there certainly is value there. And anyone looking at that should attribute at least option value to that position.

  • Operator

  • Thank you very much. There appear to be no more questions in the queue. I will now hand over to Chris Ripley, President and CEO. Sir, the floor is yours.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Thank you. I want to start the Diamond portion of the call by thanking Diamond stakeholders for their support around Diamond's recent capital structure activities. We are pleased to have closed the $635 million refinancing, which along with Sinclair's deferral of management fees, meaningfully enhances liquidity by an approximate $1 billion. We believe these steps allow Diamond to be self-funding for the next several years and enables the launch and ramp up of its local sports direct-to-consumer efforts, a significant initiative, which is important to Diamond's future.

  • As you may have seen this week, we announced the Diamond new Board of Managers which was required in conjunction with the refinancing. This is an impressive slate of seasoned executives from the world of sports, media, streaming and related industries. The 5-member Board consists of myself and 4 independents, including Randy Freer, former CEO of Hulu and longtime President of Fox Sports Media, who will serve as Chairman. The other members of the Board are Maryann Turcke, who was Chief Operating Officer of the NFL; Bob Whitsitt, a 30-year senior executive previously with the NBA and NFL; and David Preschlack, who was President of NBCU RSNs. The Board's experience will be invaluable, especially around Diamond's direct-to-consumer efforts and building future partnerships.

  • In regard to Diamond's DTC plans for Bally Sports, we expect to do a soft launch later this quarter. The initial launch will enable the validation of the quality and reliability of the product prior to the full DTC rollout of the Bally Sports RSNs planned for September.

  • The initial DTC product will offer an experience similar to what viewers now see on the TV Everywhere platform, and the price point is expected to be attractive as compared to other similar professional sports DTC offerings at $189.99 for an annual subscription and $19.99 for a month-to-month subscription, resulting in an expected ARPU of $18.50.

  • In the months after launch, we expect to roll out an enhanced DTC product incorporating additional functionality, content and features with incremental ways to monetize the viewer through a more personalized and interactive experience.

  • Now I'll turn it over to Rob.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • From an operations standpoint, the MLB resolved their collective bargaining lockout. And while the regular season was delayed, the league is scheduled to play the full season of games.

  • In terms of our gamification efforts for Diamond, we continue to move forward with our business plan to initially roll out predictive gains for all the teams we represent.

  • In the first quarter, we debuted Valley Baller and Valley breakaway games for our fastball and hockey leagues. and Valley Homerun Blast is expected to debut in June and will run throughout the remainder of the baseball season with chances to win monthly prices. Our partnership with Valleys and other gaming companies will continue to help drive our RSN gamification efforts going forward.

  • Also I want to touch on the RSN viewership, which for the 2021, 2022 NBA season was up from both a rating and TV household perspective. MLB viewing trends have started favorably as well as remain above the year-ago level. We continue to be encouraged by the viewship trends, and we have launched recently 2 new programs to air on the RSNs: The Bally and Live on the Line. Later this year, we will be debuting a new show called The Rivals. And we are also working on short-form and long-form programming development for the launch of our DTC app and our TV app.

  • As I mentioned on the Sinclair portion of the call, we renewed our multiyear distribution agreement with Charter, which included our 19 Bally Sports RSNs, Marquee and the YES Network.

  • I'll now turn it over to Lucy to go over the quarterly financials in more detail.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thank you, Rob. Okay. So just a reminder, the Marquee also falls under deconsolidation equity method accounting within Diamond's financials as of March 1. And we are in process of getting an appraisal in order to book the noncash accounting adjustment based on the asset disposition trigger for Marquee, and expect to have that valuation later this quarter.

  • We will not be giving Diamond pro formas due to the confidentiality around deconsolidating Marquee from the Diamond results. On our website, however, you can find Diamond's first quarter actuals and guidance for 2022.

  • Note that today's earnings press release for Sinclair consolidated company reflects 2 months of Diamond in the local sports segment table due to the March 1 deconsolidation. The Q1 results for Diamond that I will be discussing here, and which are posted on our website, are for the full 3-month period for Diamond, which includes 3 months of the Bally Sports RSNs and 2 months of Marquee's results due to its deconsolidation.

  • Diamond Media revenues were $709 million in the first quarter. Distribution revenues of $630 million continue to be based on high single-digit percent subscriber churn, while advertising revenue on a per-game basis is growing. Diamond's media expenses for the first quarter were $650 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter, excluding $11 million for nonrecurring items and deferred management fees, was a negative $155 million. And as a reminder, the first quarter is typically the lowest EBITDA quarter for the year due to timing of the rights payments.

  • Now we have done much to strengthen Diamond's future liquidity position and to enable it to build, launch and grow its DTC offering. On March 1, Diamond closed on a new $635 million first lien loan, which matures May 2026. Sinclair also agreed to defer a portion of its management fees over the next several years. Together, the new money raise and the management fee deferral provide Diamond with about $1 billion of liquidity enhancement over time.

  • Diamond's cash at quarter end was $572 million, and its $228 million revolver was undrawn for liquidity of $800 million as of March 31. Total debt at the end of the first quarter was $8.6 billion, and the AR facility was $163 million.

  • Looking ahead to the second quarter, media revenues are expected to be $759 million to $766 million and distribution revenues are expected to be $621 million to $623 million. Included in the estimate is continued subscriber churn of high single-digit percent which is offset by $28 million in distribution revenue recognized from a onetime audit settlement amount from a distributor. Advertising revenues are expected to be $130 million to $135 million on almost 300 fewer games expected in this year's second quarter versus last year. For the full year, media revenues are expected to be $2.88 billion to $2.9 billion.

  • Second quarter adjusted EBITDA is expected to be $132 million to $138 million, which includes fewer games, the DTC cost and continued subscriber churn, which are offset in part by lower management fees and the onetime distributor audit settlement. Full year adjusted EBITDA is expected to be $221 million to $239 million.

  • As compared to our February outlook for full year adjusted EBITDA of between $266 million and $297 million, some of the changes are the result of the deconsolidation of Marquee, timing of the DTC launch within the second quarter and slightly higher subscriber churn along -- with still high single-digit percent, offset by the audit settlement benefit and slightly better ad revenues and expenses.

  • So with that, I would like to open it up to questions related solely to the sports business for Diamond. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Your first question is coming from Dan Kurnos of Benchmark Company.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Dan, are you there?

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Can you guys hear me? Can you guys hear me? Sorry about that I don't know what happened. Apologies.

  • Lucy, thanks for the color on all of that. And I assume that's also the reason why the monthly average for the 2 months is different than for the full quarter is because of Marquee in there in Q1.

  • I guess, Chris, maybe high level, given all of the noise in the marketplace around SVOD and saturation. Obviously Netflix at a slightly different stage of their existence than the RSN products. But just how are you thinking about kind of marketing, marketing expense going, and all of the other things that go to play as you guys build up towards this DTC launch and how the market will sort of bear the products, given everything that's out there?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes. That's a great question. Actually, the recent developments within the streaming landscape, I view them as very favorable for what we're doing because the market is rationalizing. And you -- it was inevitable that a momentum story would eventually cycle. They always do, and the market becomes more rational.

  • And our plan for Bally Sports Plus was never about subscriber growth for the sake of subscriber growth. It was a plan to produce incremental profitability for Diamond Sports. And so now we feel like the market has actually caught up to our thinking in terms of our plan. And that will have many benefits for us.

  • In terms of relative pricing comparisons, I expect that the entertainment value equation of -- from a consumer perspective, when they compare pricing of what we're offering versus pricing of some of these other SVOD services, which are likely to go up in light of the current environment, that relative equation will be better. I also expect that the marketing environment to gain subscribers will get easier as people get more rational around their own marketing.

  • And so we're really quite bullish on a change in the market environment as it relates to our strategy. In terms of our specific marketing strategy. We're not going to be really that loud for the soft launch coming up here. But as we get -- as we approach the full launch, we are going to be much more aggressive on the marketing front.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • And Dan, in addition to that, the teams have fully embraced the launch of the DTC, coming up from the soft launch to the full launch. And we'll see some joint marketing efforts between Bally Sports and the teams as well. Both the teams and also had significant e-mail traffic. When are we going to launch? So there is that pent-up demand. So we look forward to joint marketing efforts with the teams.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes. And I think it's a great point that needs to be emphasized that. We'll really be the first mover with real premium sports in the direct to consumer marketplace. So comparing it to an entertainment-based SVOD is too simplistic. There are significant differences between sports and general entertainment, not to mention that sports has generational appeal, built-in fan bases, team partners that have massive incentives to get their fans on the service. None of that exists in general entertainment. So it's a really a different ball game, no pun intended.

  • Daniel Louis Kurnos - MD & Senior Equity Analyst

  • Well played, Chris. The second question, I have to at least try, just given the Charter renewal. Any commentary around how we should be thinking about the long-tail impacts there, the DTC, I assume that, that was discussed and covered. I'll try not to get into specifics, but just to the extent that you guys can talk about how those conversations went, and your expectations for future conversations with distributors around the DTC product and what it might mean for distribution revenues.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Well, as you know, we have confidentiality provisions in these agreements which don't allow us to talk specific terms. But I -- but we're -- as Rob stated, we're very pleased with the outcome with Charter. I think relative to market expectations, which were fairly negative, we massively exceeded those. And I would say, in terms of our internal expectations, we met or exceeded our internal expectations. And so that's about as much detail as I can give without breaking a contractual provision.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Steven Cahall of Wells Fargo.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Steve, are you there?

  • Steven Lee Cahall - Senior Analyst

  • Sorry about that. I'll figure out this mute button in another year or so.

  • Maybe first, just a housekeeping one on the Bally performance shares and warrants. Can you talk about if there's any shift in the Board's focus on those? I think those are still held by STG. So just wondering if the new board would change any of the way that those warrants -- or achievement of them might be looked at.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • So those are held at SBG. And no, there won't be any change there.

  • Steven Lee Cahall - Senior Analyst

  • And then, Chris, I cover a lot of media companies that are going through these linear to direct-to-consumer pivots. Pretty much bar none, there's like a period of peak EBITDA losses. Some of it's content, which I know you don't have incrementally on Diamond. But a lot of it is technology costs, subscriber acquisition costs, marketing costs, just all the heavy lifting. When do you all think that the kind of peak burn from the DTC initiative will happen? And how do you think about kind of the shape of EBITDA from there, as there's some pressure on linear?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Sure. So I think the best place to look for our view of that is the cleanse that we did earlier in the year. It has detailed models for 5 years of both the base business and the DTC business. And so you can really just see for yourself what our view is there. It really hasn't changed on the margins. Some things have changed around timing and some of the specifics. But really, there is going to be a burn here in the beginning. Certainly, we're seeing that in 2022 flowing through the numbers. and it will persist into 2023.

  • But as you noted, and I think this is incredibly important, the #1 cost of any SVOD service is the content. And we do have some incremental cost here for content, but by and large, the freight has been paid on that. So our model ends up looking a lot different. That's why we -- when you look at those models, they are incredibly profitable relative to other SVOD services because there, we don't have fully allocated in what the content costs are.

  • And of course, there are costs around subscriber acquisition and marketing and technology costs. And that's what's really been some of the losses here in the beginning.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Avi Steiner of JPMorgan.

  • Avi Steiner - Executive Director and Senior Analyst

  • I've got several here. I appreciate the time. Just very quickly on the full year outlook change, you listed a bunch of factors. I'd love to confirm if Marquee's was the biggest, number one.

  • And whether the charter renewal played a role at all in the guidance change. And then I've got a couple more.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Sure. So Avi, certainly, Marquee is a factor there. But as I pointed out, there are other factors, as Chris talked about. Timing within the second quarter, the DTC launch. We had the settlement, this onetime settlement on an audit that's coming in. And as I mentioned on the Sinclair portion of the call, while we're still high single-digits for churn, it's just slightly higher, right? Still within high single-digit churn just based on some of the recent reports by the distributors themselves as to what they're seeing. As you know, we won't see that for like another quarter come in. And so -- but yes, Marquee is certainly an important piece of that difference.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • And Avi, to your specific question related to Charter. It had no impact on the change in guidance.

  • Avi Steiner - Executive Director and Senior Analyst

  • Appreciate that. Okay. My second one, you have 5 MLB teams signed up for DTC. Your capital base has been bolstered. You have a great Board of Managers. Distributor renewal, at least the big ones behind us. You're on the verge of a soft launch. And I'm really trying to figure out what's the gating issue is to sign more MLB teams? Is it coming to terms with the teams? How much of, I guess, a roadblock is Major League Baseball, if they are at all? And maybe what do they want to see? And then I've got one more.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Sure. So look, we have been successful in getting off-renewal additions. We had 1 in January, Marquee has also secured its direct-to-consumer rights. And the rest of the teams, we're having constructive dialogue on. And there isn't necessarily -- given the status of where we are in our launch, there isn't really a huge timing rush on that. But we are having constructive discussions on it.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • And we're also having constructive conversations at the league level as well, so both with our teams and with MLB itself.

  • Avi Steiner - Executive Director and Senior Analyst

  • Okay. My very last one, and I appreciate the time. So now that Diamond has this new Board of Managers and it is deconsolidated as required. I'm curious if Diamond now maybe has more flexibility to pursue either balance sheet remedies or strategic alternatives that perhaps they could not have pursued under the prior consolidated structure.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Avi. I mean, the -- I guess, technically, the answer to that would be no because it was really a self-contained silo from day 1. So it did have all the flexibility needed to pursue deleveraging, exchanges, mergers, what have you. And so philosophically, the accounting change doesn't really change that.

  • And -- but I do want to stress that all of those options are something we are actively evaluating, as you're certainly -- this isn't the last transaction or recapitalization that's going to happen at Diamond. There will certainly, at least in my estimation, be more of that to come.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Lance Vitanza of Cowen.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • First, I just wanted to follow-up on a question that Avi asked. The impact on the full year guidance, the reduction that we saw, the change in the launch timing, I guess, I would have thought that the launch was always supposed to take place in 2022. So I'm wondering, presumably, any sort of expense that got pulled forward from '23 to '22 to put downward pressure on the EBITDA guidance would be pretty modest. Is that fair? And then I have a couple of follow-up questions.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • It's -- so on that, when we talk about the timing, it's really timing within the second quarter. So before, we were looking more towards the front end of the second quarter, now the soft launch will be towards the back end of the second quarter. So it's really the -- both the revenue and an expense...

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • And,yes, you are right in that it's a fairly modest impact. That is not the biggest impact of the impacts that changed the guidance.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Okay. And then so with the balance sheet addressed and $1 billion of fresh liquidity, how comfortable are you that Diamond has the resources to make it to the other side of the DTC launch? I know you talked about this on the call. But how much cushion have you built into the model? And specifically, what would a recession in 2023 do to your confidence level?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • We have a lot of confidence that we have set up Diamond for the foreseeable future with ample liquidity. Your question around the recession is interesting. Diamond is mainly contractual, subscription-based revenues, which tend to fare much better through recessions than the ad market. Just to give you a reminder, it's 80%, 85% on the subscription side and 15%, 20% on the ad side. So that should give you some comfort with the recession ahead.

  • As to how that impacts uptake on DTC, hard to say. But I do think, in the beginning here, we're going to reap the benefit of the hardcore disenfranchised fans outside of the bundle coming on to something new and exciting that really hasn't existed before. And I think that happens regardless of the economic backdrop.

  • Robert D. Weisbord - COO & President of Broadcast

  • And when you look at the value proposition versus the cost of a ticket, it's a huge value proposition for the fan. And the fans are in recession or in good times as well.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then my last question is, Chris, you had mentioned those -- the cleansing materials. And I just -- so we're still operating, strictly speaking, in a case 1 world, I assume, right? But when you think about the opportunity, really, do you -- I mean, do you imagine that we wind up somewhere between case 2 and case 3?

  • In other words, it's in that likely we get all of your linear teams eventually on DTC. And really, the only question is how much benefit you'll get from higher take rates due to sports betting and legalization, I would think. Is that sort of a fair way to characterize it?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes. Again, I -- we always hate to speculate. But I do think what you said is right. And we are currently in a case 1 world today. But when I think about the future, it looks more like a case 2 or case 3.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from Barton Crockett of Rosenblatt Securities.

  • Barton Evans Crockett - MD & Senior Internet Media Analyst

  • Okay. Great. So I wanted to just talk a little bit about the high single-digit sub churn and how to think about that trajectory over coming quarters. Because I know that has in the past been influenced by some drops in some major distributors that we're probably lapping at some point. So how do we think about that?

  • And then just kind of a related question, but I know conceptually, Charter have been floating this, although I know you can't talk about Charter, but I'm sure others are thinking it. This notion that, as you roll out DTC subscriptions, that there should be some flexibility or maybe lesser carriage on the traditional pay TV systems. Just some thoughts about how that's playing out now that you've done the Charter renewal. So those 2 things would be great.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Sure. So the high single-digit churn guide does not -- is not impacted at all by any distribution drops. So we've been in a fairly, I would say, status quo mode for long enough, that, that comparison is apples-to-apples.

  • The -- in terms of your question around Charter. The -- we obviously dealt with that head on in these negotiations, and we're very pleased with the outcome. So every distributor wants as much flexibility as possible, but at the same time, they need the content. So it's always that push and pull in every negotiation.

  • Barton Evans Crockett - MD & Senior Internet Media Analyst

  • Well, if I could follow-up. What would you say is the principal driver of the high single-digit declines, which I think are bigger than what you're seeing on the SBG side, which you didn't put a number there, but I think it has historically been 5% down. And...

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • The main reason there, the difference there, is that the RSNs, the only virtual MVP that carries RSNs is direct TV stream. And so some of the growth in the Pay TV sector is coming out of some of the other virtual MVPDs, which do not carry the RSN. So that's what creates the variation in churn between broadcast and Diamond.

  • Operator

  • Your next question is coming from David Hamburger of Morgan Stanley.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • If I can, a couple of questions. And maybe I can just ask this in a more direct fashion. If you did not deconsolidate Marquee in this quarter, would you have hit your range for guidance that you gave in the first -- the fourth quarter earnings call of $266 million to $297 million of EBITDA this quarter?

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • So again, that one is, look, we -- yes, I believe we would have. Again, with the deconsolidation of Marquee, it's a little bit more difficult to answer that off the cuff. But yes, we -- for adjusted EBITDA, yes, I believe we would have.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • Okay. And then maybe you could just help me reconcile a couple of things here. So at the end of 2021, you had $479 million of cash. I believe you just disclosed you had $572 million of cash. You did a $635 million debt raise, I guess about $35 million of which was used to take out the 12.75% notes.

  • You mentioned, Chris, I think before, the cash burn for DTC has been maybe a little more front-end loaded. I assume that helps reconcile some of those numbers. But also, I know, Lucy, previously, you've given the cash rebates that have been paid to the cable companies. I think you guided to $210 million for the first half of 2022, and maybe $127 million or so of that would be in the first quarter.

  • So can you kind of give us a little more disclosure here on what kind of the liquidity position here? And reconcile some of these -- the cash in the quarter.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Sure. So a couple of things just to take note of for your models this year, and you pretty much mentioned all of them.

  • First one is the new money raise and the added interest expense as it relates to that. And then, of course, any forward LIBOR, and so for rate increases that are -- the market is expecting on the -- on all the debt that's not fixed.

  • The other piece are the rebates, let me just kind of reset the rebates for you because that has changed, and in particular with the audit settlement. And so I'm just going to give you the new numbers here. 2022, there's a total of $105 million, in net rebates that Diamond would pay 2023, $62 million that we would pay. So -- and for Q1 of '22, Diamond has already paid $24 million of that. So that will also -- you'll be able to also spread that across your models.

  • But really -- and then you have the deferral of the management fee is the other thing to make sure that you capture in your models this year.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • And how much -- can you give us any sense of how much of the $105 million will be paid out over the course of over the year of '22?

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. Well, we paid $24 million of that already of that $105 million. It will be roughly $49 million in Q2. And then Q3 is about, call it, $17 million and $16 million.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • Okay. And any way that you can help us quantify, I think, as Chris referred to the cash burn for the direct-to-consumer launch? And how that's impacted the quarter and what your expectations are there?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Yes. We're not going to break that out at this time. But it is -- I think I'd refer back to the disclosure that we previously put out there. It hasn't really changed much.

  • Lucy A. Rutishauser - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. So David, what I would say is we've given you a full year adjusted EBITDA number, right? So you have that. And then to that is really just adjusting for your interest. And the CapEx is minimal, it's about $30 million for the year in CapEx.

  • David Michael Hamburger - Strategist

  • And then just one follow-up question, if I can. You had the Charter renewal. Can you give us a sense, I guess, the next kind of 2 big customers with upcoming renewals at some point would be DIRECTV and Comcast. Can you give us any sense, like how to think about when those will happen?

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Those are both in the back half of 2023.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there appear to be no more questions in the queue. I will now hand back over to Chris Ripley for closing remarks. Sir, the floor is yours.

  • Christopher S. Ripley - President & CEO

  • Thank you all for joining us today. Should you need more information or have additional questions, please don't hesitate to give us a call.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.