SBA Communications Corp (SBAC) 2002 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good morning everyone. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the SBA Communications fourth quarter 2002 earnings results conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star then the number 2 on your telephone keypad. Thank you. You may begin your conference Pam Kline, Vice President of Capital Markets.

Thank you for joining me today. With me are Jeff Stoops, President and Chief Executive Officer, Kurt Bagwell, Chief Operating Officer, and John Marino, Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started I need to get the standard SEC disclosure out. Some of the information we discuss in this call is forward looking, including but not limited to guidance for 2003. These forward-looking statements may be affected by the risks and uncertainties in our business. Everything we say here today is qualified in its entirety by cautionary statements and risk factors set forth last night in our press release and our SEC filings. Particularly those set forth in our form 10K for fiscal year ended December 31, 2001, which document is publicly available. These factors and others have affected historical results, may affect future results, and may cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in any forward looking statement we may make. We have no obligation to update any forward-looking statement we may make. We have a lot to talk about today and I know everyone is interested in our recent power sale announcement. First let's take care of fourth quarter business. John, would you please comment on the fourth quarter results.

Thanks, Pam. Results were as expected and continue to reflect a challenging wireless carrier capx environment. Total revenues were 64.1 million and represent -- . [ INAUDIBLE ] Fourth quarter of 2001. [ INAUDIBLE ] Record 36.9 million up 21.8% over the fourth quarter of last year. Site development revenues were 27.2 million, down 30.1% over the fourth quarter of 2001. Power cash flow of 23.5 million was up 19.5 percent over the year earlier period. EBITDA or earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, amortization, noncash charges and unusual or nonrecurring expenses was 19.3 million relatively flat with the year earlier period. Gains on the leasing side through expense reductions were offset by reduced profits from our services business. Power cash flow margins were 63.8% up 90 basis points from the third quarter. This increase in power cash flow margin over the prior quarter was attributable to a variety of items. After our third quarter we doubled our efforts with respect to tower expenses and began to see benefit of the increased focus in the fourth quarter. We are pleased with the stability of the tower expenses in the fourth quarter and believe we will be able to sequentially improve tower cash flow margin in the future. Services margins continue to decline averaging 14.1% for the quarter down approximately 260 basis points from the third quarter and 750 basis points from the year earlier period. The primary factor continues to be increased competition for declining amount of business available. Kurt will discuss the services business in more detail shortly.

We have continued to make good progress on reducing overhead expenses. SG&A calculated before noncash compensation dropped to 8.1 million our 8th straight quarterly decline driven primarily by reductions in head count. Compared to the fourth quarter of 2001 SG&A expenses net of noncash compensation as a percent of revenue decreased to 12.6% from 13.2%. EBITDA margin in the fourth quarter was 30.1%. Currently 70 basis points higher than the year earlier period. EBITDA margin was driven by continuing drift in our revenue mix to the much higher margin leasing business which comprised 58% of the total revenue in the fourth quarter, our highest ever compared to 44% in the year earlier period. Leasing contributed to 86% of our gross profit in the fourth quarter. Restructuring and other charges in the fourth quarter of 1.1 million was related to the prior cancellation of rebuild projects the associated writeoff of and head count reduction. Net loss per share for the fourth quarter was 59 cents including the restructuring and other charge. Weighted average shares outstanding for the quarter were 51.1 million. Cash capital expenditures in the fourth quarter were approximately 11.9 million. We completed construction on eight towers in the quarter. Capital expenditure for new builds, including trailing costs for those completed in prior quarters were approximately 5.2 million. Approximately 4 million was contributed to the final reconciliation of development costs due under a number of our build to suit agreements which represents substantially all the remaining amounts due under such agreement. We spent an additional 400,000 on general corporate capital expenditure 750,000 on earn outs from prior tower acquisitions and 600,000 on maintenance -- component tower capital expenditure and $1 million for augmentations and rebuilds. At this point Pam will provide some information about our capital position and pro forma fact of our recently announced tower sale.

Thanks, John. We ended the quarter with cash of 61.1 million and total debt of approximately 1 billion. Net debt to quarterly EBITDA annualized at December 31st was 12.5 times. At December 31 we were in full compliance with all of our bank financial covenants. Consolidated net interest expense for the fourth quarter was 15.1 million. For purposes of bank covenant consolidated EBITDA was 20.8 million which was 2 million in excess of required EBITDA levels. Leverage under the senior credit facility at December 31 was 3.1 times. Total liquidity of December 31st was 91.6 million. Our recently announced agreement to sell towers to AAT communications contemplates the sale of either 679 towers for 160 million or at the election of AAT 801 towers for 203 million. AAT must elect to purchase the additional 122 towers which are all located in Wisconsin, by June 1st. A minimum closing of 145 million is scheduled for May 9th and all closings, including the additional 122 towers are scheduled to be completed by September 30th.

For purposes of the following pro forma information, we have assumed net proceeds of 155.5 million on the 679 tower sale and 198 million on the 801 tower sale. 2 million of annualized SG&A savings and that the sale close on September 30th, 2002. For the 679 tower sale pro forma financial information for the fourth quarter is as follows. All financial numbers are approximate. Site leasing revenues of 31.7 million. Tower cash flow of 20.1 million. Tower cash flow margin of 63.6%. EBITDA of 16.4 million. And net debt to annualized EBITDA of 12.4 times. Loss on the sale would have been approximately 12.7 million resulting in a pro forma fourth quarter loss per share of 85 cents. Pro forma tower data as of December 31 would be annualized run rate leasing revenue of 124.7 million, 3,198 towers owned, 6,856 tenants an annualized run rate revenue per tower of $39,000. For the 801 tower sale pro forma financial information for the fourth quarter is as follows. Site leasing revenues of 30.3 million. Tower cash flow of 19.4 million. Tower cash flow margin of 63.8%. EBITDA of 15.6 million. Net debt to annualized EBITDA of 12.3 times. Loss on the sale would have been approximately $1 million resulting in a pro forma fourth quarter loss per share of 62 cents. Pro forma tower data as of December 31st would be annualized run rate leasing revenue of 119 million, 3,076 towers owned, 6,534 tenants, and annualized run rate revenue per tower of 38,700. I know there's detail here and I would be glad to provide that information to people off line.

Let's turn to the first quarter of 2003 guidance. This guidance does not give any effect to the pending tower sales or discontinued operations accounting treatment that will result from the sale. The following estimates are based on a number of assumptions that management believes to be reasonable and reflect our expectations as of today, March 25. This guidance also does not reflect any possible impact resulting from a change in accounting principles due to the adoption by the company of FAS 143. Please refer to the cautionary language previously described and that included in yesterday's press release when considering this information. The company takes no obligation to update this information.

First quarter 2003 guidance is as follows. Site leasing revenues. 37 to 38 million. Services revenue 19 to 22 million. Total revenues 56 to 60 million. EBITDA 18 to 20 million. EBITDA guidance excludes approximately 1 to 2 million anticipated restructuring charge which will we incur this quarter as we continue to reduce the size of our services business, reduce head count and close offices. It also excludes approximately $1 million of nonrecurring professional fees which we incurred this quarter as we reviewed our strategic options which led to the decision to sell satisfy of our towers. Net interest expense 23 to 25 million. Cash interest expense 17 to 18 million. Cash capital expenditures 5 to 8 million. Amortization and depreciation 25 to 27 million. Net loss per share 60 cents to 70 cents. For the first quarter of 2003, we're projecting we will add growth revenues per tower at the rate of 4,000 to 5,000 per year. Based on all we know today including our site leasing backlog, carrier activity, public and private discussions with the carriers and all other factors, we continue to believe that this amount of revenue growth per tower will be achieved. We will not borrow any additional money in the first quarter. This tower sale will result in discontinued treatments. If we apply discontinued operations in the first quarter, our total and site leasing revenues and EBITDA, as reported will be less than our guidance and the net loss per share will be slightly greater and a you will be able to approximate the differences by using the pro forma information I provided for the fourth quarter. Because of the potential variations in the tower sale the -- modification and the fact that the sale will trigger discontinued operations accounting treatment for the asset sets sold, we believe it's inappropriate to provide guidance for the full year 2003. There are simply too many moving parts and assumptions that would need to be made. Regardless, however, whether we sell 679 or 801 towers, we expect to end the year with a net debt the fourth quarter annualized EBITDA leverage ratio in the 10.8 to 11.3 times range. For the full year, we expect to add gross revenues at the rate of 3600 to 5400 per tower per year and to incur cash capital expenditures of 10 to 15 million. We will be filing detailed pro forma information with the SEC with respect to the tower sales subsequent to the receipt of the expected modification to our senior credit facility and will provide additional details on these calls quarterly as the transaction progresses. Kurt, would you please provide us an update on our operations.

Thanks, Pam. Q4, 2002 continued the trends that became clear in the third quarter as we continued to see carrier sale site activity lower than those levels seen in the first half of 2002. This environment had differing affects on our two business segments. The fourth quarter was good as it related to the leasing business as our lease-up levels were slightly up from Q3. In the area of services, we achieved our revenue guidance, but continued to experience pricing pressures. Let's discuss the leasing business first. Same tower revenue growth net of tenant terminations for the trailing 12 months on the 3634 towers owned as of December 31, 2001 was 16%. Same tower cash flow growth on those same 3734 towers over the same period was 20%. We added new tenant revenue in the quarter at a gross rate of .30 broadband equivalents or 5, $350 of annualized revenue per tower across the entire portfolio. This was at the high end of our guidance and represents a 15% increase over the Q3 levels. This was a rate that we believe, once again, led the industry. 88% of our new leasing revenue game from the big six, their affiliates and all tell. Amendment revenue continued to be strong for us as carriers continued to add Mike waive, technology overlays, E911 and capacity equipment to many sites. The average new broad land lease rate held steady in the fourth quarter. Basically leasing volume was good and pricing held firm. We believe our lease-up process from initial inquiry through tenant notice to proceed is still the best in the business according to feedback from our customers and this process never slows us down. The most active players in Q4 were Tmobile, AT&T, Verizon and all tell. Less active were singular, sprint and Nextel. Consistent with past quarters the majority of the churn was from smaller, local operators. At this time we expect the leasing patterns we experienced in the second half of 2002 in terms of tenants and types of activity to continue throughout 2003. In the services business volume was off in Q4 from historic levels. We recorded just over $27 million of revenue related to services with a 14 percent gross margin or approximately $3.8 million of gross profit. Historically Q4 is the strongest quarter of the year for services, but this was not the case in 2002. The second half were lower than first half volumes. The amount of work available and price competition continue to be major issues in these business. These factors have caused margins to continue to decrease. We expect continued margin declines in the first quarter and for the services business to continue to be challenging throughout 2003. Weather was also an issue in Q4 in our northeast region and will be an issue again in Q1 as the northeast had one of the worst winters in recent history this year.

During the fourth quarter and again in the first quarter we close yet several more services locations and reduced the work force to continue our goal of maintaining profitability, not necessarily top line revenue growth in this business segment. On a fully allocated bias, we still made money in the services business in the fourth quarter, however that number continues to decrease. We are very closely watching the segment of our business to make sure that we continue to make money from it and we continue to adjust it as fess. As with past quarters the majority of our -- site acquisition and construction. While we continue to be confident with our ability to perform, we remain uncertain about the amount of work that will be available in 2003. As a result, we expect the first quarter services revenues to be in the 19 to $22 million range, although first quarter is usually lower than the other quarters. As John mentioned earlier SBA built eight towers in the fourth quarter. This puts our current ending tower count at 3,877. Our current new tower development bag lock stands at 15 with all of those expected to be complete in the first half of 2003. On the cost side, we continue to experience positive cost savings in the company. 2002 was a year where efficiency and cost control were the top priorities. As evidenced by our 16.9 percent year-over-year SG&A reduction in the fourth quarter. These will continue to be a focus in 2003. We believe we may realize some additional savings as we move forward. At this point I would like to turn it over to Jeff.

Thanks, Kurt. Good morning, everyone. We're off to a positive start here in 2003. I'm going to start by discussing our pending tower sale and what it means for SBA and close with some general observations about our business. First, though, I want to take this opportunity to recognize John John. This will be John's last earnings call with us as he has decided to return to the banking industry. During John's time with us, we have enjoyed tremendous growth and John has been truly instrumental in developing the systems and processes that have allowed us to manage that growth. John contributed greatly to the success of SBA. We're going to miss him here and we wish him all the best going forward. Our recently announced tower sale to AAT is a very important and positive development for SBA for a number of reasons.

The most important of which are the modifications to our senior credit facility that we expect to obtain in connection with the sale and reduction of our overall indebtedness. We expect these modifications will produce long-term financial stability and liquidity for SBA while we continue to grow our tower cash flows. The modifications would, of course, eliminate the reasons for the going concern qualification we expect from earnst and young for our 2002 financial statements which we described in last night's press release. In the fourth quarter of 2002, we began actively exploring alternatives to improve our balance sheet and stabilize our liquidity position. We hired a number of different advisors who worked with us to explore the alternatives and we've considered a number of different options fully and carefully. As 2003 began, the declines we were experiencing in the services business gave us some concern about our ability to fully comply with the financial covenants under our senior credit facility in 2003. So our primary focus bim finding a solution to these covenant issues and secondarily, reducing our overall indebtedness. While we were and are still lightly at the senior bank level -- overall level of indebtedness made a traditional refinancing in the bank market or cover nant waiver unavailable to us. To preserve our senior credit facility, which we thought was important and modify the covenants, it became clear that a commitment reduction under the facility would be necessary. This path led us to choose an asset sale over other options. Throughout this process, we were committed to finding a solution that would better align our capital structure, debt structure and liquidity with a tower ownership segment of our business and a solution that provided the best risk adjusted returns for our shareholders. We are confident that we have found that solution with our pending tower sale. Our agreement with AAT communications was the result of a competitive process that we started in early January. That, to our great satisfaction produced a number of offers from a number of qualified and capable interested parties. Pam described the material financial terms of the agreement earlier and its pro forma financial affect. The sale will comprise substantially all of our towers in the western United States from the states listed in the press release west to the Pacific ocean. The base sale of 679 towers includes all of those states accept Wisconsin and the full 801 towers would include our towers in Wisconsin. As we thought about an asset sale, we concluded that the best way to approach the opportunity was geographically which reflects the business reality of tower ownership and towers are marketed and operated on a regional and local basis. Towers in one geography can be sold without any effect on the rest of the portfolio. For us given the gross proceeds we were targeting a sale of our western portfolio was the clear choice given our increased densities, longer operating history and base of operations in the east. a Critical component of the asset sale is the modification of our senior credit facility which is a condition of the closing of the sale. We have just started the process of seeking modifications from our lenders so we do not foe the final terms. The following is our expectation of where we will end up in this process. In exchange for an initial commitment reduction of approximately 155 million by June 30th, 2003, and a total commitment reduction of 180 million by September 30th, 2004, our financial covenants would be reset for the remaining life of the facility. A portion of the commitment reduction could come from giving up unused availability and the remainder would be in the form of a cash paydown. Obviously the source of most of the cash for the paydown is expected to be the asset sale proceeds. If AAT does not elect to purchase the Wisconsin towers, we would have the right to sell those or a similar amount of assets to another buyer if we so chose. Our $100 million term loan would be paid off, our revolver would be left in place and future commitment reductions would be limited to $5 million per year until maturity commencing in 2004. The covenants would be set-off of pro exs based solely on our remaining tower assets without any reliance or look to our services business. We expect that our liquidity will be improved as a result of these events, and we project liquidity of 60 to $100 million at all times through maturity of the facility in June 2007. In short, we expect to produce, through these events, a very long-term, stable capital structure free of short-term risks that will appropriately support of continued growth of our tower cash flows. While the primary pen fits of the tower sale and credit facility modifications will be to our long term stability and liquidity and reduce debt we also expect to realize certain operational benefits. We estimate we will be able to reduce SG&A expenses by at least $2 million per year after the transaction and expect to enjoy an additional reduction in tower expenses that should drive further increases in tower cash flow margins. Because our customers operate geographically, we will end up with a reduced number of customer contacts over which we will spread our corporate resources which should result in better service for our customers. Needless to say we are excited about the future of SBA after this transaction. While we recognize it is a huge positive step, it will not be the last step in our development and future progress.

Looking forward, we will continue to focus on our core business of sequentially improving leasing revenues, tower cash flows, and tower cash flow margin. I expect us to continue to control costs at all levels and further reduce our quarterly SG&A expense as remove through 2003. We are right sizing our services business to the market, and will continue to do that for so long as and to the extent necessary to maximize the financial benefit to the company. As Kurt said earlier, our focus here is primarily financial with respect to services as the strategic importance of services has WANED somewhat as we are no longer focused on building large numbers of towers for our portfolio. We are not finished improving our balance sheet and we constantly evaluate alternatives in that regard. We believe over time we will have the ability to refinance, retire debt exchange debt or equity or undertake other initiatives that will be beneficial to our shareholders. Once the tower sale is complete and our credit facility modified, we will have very little secured debt relative to our asset values which we believe will afford us a great deal of financing flexibility going forward. We will be folks used on exploring and seizing opportunities that will accelerate free cash flow. With the expected modification of the senior credit facility and reduced indebtedness we will be able to purchase see these initiatives on our timeframe and with financial stability. With respect to the general business environment Kurt generalized the times at challenging and I would certainly agree with that statement. -- entered in the second half of 2002 which phase is going to be with us for some time to come. [ INAUDIBLE ] This is a very different time in which to provide services to the carriers and a vastly different time from the large-scale network buildsouts of three and four years ago. While many network quality issues arain and will continue to arise, we believe carriers will address these needs on a discreate, site specific basis as opposed to large scale projects. Carriers will have more to do on their networks than they are likely to have budget approval to spend. As a result, price, customer satisfaction, customer need become more important. Businesses that sell to carriers that are not exclusive or otherwise have plenty of competition will feel the pressure while those that are more exclusive or essential in nature will fair better. We have witnessed this distinction in our own company as our services business has not performed as well as we would have liked, while our leasing segment has performed very well. This is the environment that we must be prepared to address for the foreseeable future.

To prosper in this environment, I believe companies in the tower industry must provide increasingly better solutions for the carriers, must watch their own expenses and capital structures carefully and be viewed as mission critical by our customers. We have been shaping SBA to be exactly that type of company, and I'm very confident with the actions we've discussed here today, we will be well positioned to continue to be both a vendor of choice for our customers and an attractive investment for our shareholders. We believe a key factor in this mix and one that will continue to positively benefit SBA, asset quality. Our lease-up results and now we have demonstrated it again through the tower sale transaction for our western towers. Our towers are high quality, well located and continue to be of high importance to our customers as evidenced by our lease-up success. With the closing of the asset sale transaction and other steps we have discussed, I'm confident that our future prospects and success will now be even more closely tied to our asset quality and that's a position that we here at the company look very much forward to. Operator, at this time, I think we would like to open it up for questions.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for just a moment to compile the question and answer roster. First question comes from Mark De Russy from Raymond James.

Hello?

Mark, are you there?

Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me?

I can.

good. Good. Can you talk a little bit about, with respect to the credit quality of your rental customers, can you kind of give us a breakdown, be it big six, other, in particular some of the affiliates and what percentage of the revenue is coming from there?

About 64, 65% of our run rate revenues are big six nonaffiliate customers. About 14% on top of that is affiliates which would include Triton and Nextel partners.

Okay.

About 10% on top of that is other broadband users, other cellular companies like all tell, Dobson, U.S. cellular, companies like that.

Okay.

The remainder is kind of a mixture. You have some governments in there, some broadcast and about 3% is paging.

Okay. And with respect to your lease-up, can you talk about, you know, the components of that be it new installations, amendments, are you guys going back and doing any auditing at this point in time to find squatters, if you will?

Yeah, we're doing all those things. I think -- Kurt, what was amendments? It was about 30%?

Not quite 30.

Yeah. Almost 30% of the total new revenue that we added in the quarter. So, you know, the lion's share of it, mark continues to be new installations. We are seeing an increasing importance on the amendment side.

Okay.

Existing tenants coming back and adding additional equipment.

Okay. Final question with respect to the services busy think you alluded to it in your comments and in the press release it's somewhere in the EBITDA neutral range. What about on a cash flow basis? Is it a source or an use of cash? In other words you generating cash out of that business? Are there any things being capitalized that aren't showing up in the EBITDA number?

On the services business?

Yeah.

It's about cash neutral.

Okay.

That's -- you hit the critical focus for us right on the head. That's what we watch as we make decisions as to the services business.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

Thanks.

Your next question comes from Alex Rigell.

Sell some of your assets, that's a smart move at this time. a Couple questions first. You mention that price and customer savings satisfaction will become more important. Are you suggesting that price is going to be negative in 2003?

No. I mean not negative. I think it's an issue. And it's an issue primarily because carriers have more time now on a site by site basis to deal with those issues because the pressures of large scale build-outs which were in large part driven by schedule, that's not really the way the development is going any more. I mean we continue to feel pretty good about issues of price, primarily because of the quality of our assets.

With regards to the terminations, can you help us to understand exactly what types of customers are terminating leases? Are any of those terminations from the big six or are they all from your sort of other category?

Most are from the other category. There's a handful or so of big six that we agreed to work with because they had not installed their equipment yet and were looking to repray or advertise their budgets and in the overall scheme of relationships that's something that we do from time to time. But none of them were big six carriers that had actually installed and were operating on sites which, you know, we continue to view as an extremely good indicator of the stickiness of the revenue stream of this business.

Great. Thank you.

Your next question comes from Steve Flynn with Morgan Stanley.

Good morning. Thanks. First question. Talking about the asset sale a little bit. It doesn't really change your overall leverage, so would it be safe to assume that you don't believe your leverage is an issue, it's more that it was just a liquidity issue with the banks with regard to having a paydown the bank debt?

That was the most pressing and immediate issue, Steve. But clearly a leverage in reducing it over time is a focus of our company and mine personally. And what this transaction real write does is, it gives us the time and stability to address that in a more orderly way.

Could you guys explore something similar to what American tower did, you know the issuance of maybe a zero note at the code with proceeds utilized to pay down bank debt?

Yes, we looked at all those things.

Okay. Last question. Are there any potential negatives to reducing your size and your scale in will you have any less -- would it be in a less position with negotiating with the carriers? Is there any negative to having less scale?

No. We don't see it at all. In fact, we see it quite to the contrary. The tower leasing business is truly a local business. The people that we deal with are local to the markets. The people that we will no longer be dealing with with respect to our western portfolio have no involvement with the towers that will remain in the east. And, you know, for that reason, and the fact that we will be more dense in terms of our tower sighting in the east and we'll be able to squeeze some operating efficiencies out of that, actually, Steve, we are pretty excited about what the company's going to look like and how it's going to operate as we move forward. So we see absolutely no down side from focused -- being focused on just the eastern third of the United States.

Okay. So the leverage you have in the areas that you operate will remain the same?

Yeah. And it's asset based. You either have good towers or you don't.

I'm sorry, the last question. The revenue breakdown that you gave with the first question will that change materially from those asset sales or not really?

No, it will not change materially.

Okay. Thank you.

Next question comes from Jim Malone with Bear Stearns.

Hi, guys. Couple of quick questions. One is just in terms of cost savings from the tower sale, and I'm sorry if I missed this, Pam, in your statement, but did you -- could you tell us what the maintenance Cap Ex would be expected after pro forma for the deal? And also, I mean it's a good portion of your towers that you're selling, so if you could -- do you have, again, pro forma for the deal, you know the percentage of towers that are say in the top 50 or top 100 markets, can you give us some sort of a breakdown that way, that would be helpful, also.

Yeah. We would prefer to do all that off line, Jim and we have a lot of different variations here, but I don't think we have it sliced exactly based on that question. But we're happy to give you all that detail off line.

Okay. That's fine. The Cap Ex number, too?

The Cap Ex number will be proportionately decreased. I mean we continue on the maintenance side to actually be very pleased with where that is headed. You heard John, you know, talk about a very low number for the quarter. You should assume that, and this may change by a small percentage, but you should assume that there will be a proportionate reduction in that number based on the number of towers told.

Okay. Thanks a lot.

At this time there are no further questions. Sir, do you have any closing remarks?

Yes, I do. I appreciate everybody tuning in this morning. This is a very exciting and positive time for us as we move through 2003 and right size our financial stability. And we look forward to sharing our continued progress with you on our next call. Thank you, operator.

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