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  • Operator

  • Good morning, and welcome to the Sabre Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2019 Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's call is being recorded and is also being broadcast live over the Internet on the Sabre corporate website. This broadcast is the property of Sabre. Any redistribution, retransmission or rebroadcast of this call in any form without the expressed written consent of the company is strictly prohibited.

  • I will now turn the call over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Kevin Crissey. Please go ahead, sir.

  • Kevin William Crissey - VP of IR

  • Thank you, Sydney, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us for our fourth quarter and full year 2019 earnings call. This morning, we issued an earnings press release, which is available on our website at investors.sabre.com. A slide presentation, which accompanies today's prepared remarks is also available during this call on Sabre IR web page. A replay of today's call will be available on our website later this morning.

  • Throughout today's call, we will be presenting certain non-GAAP financial measures, which have been adjusted to exclude certain items. All references during today's call to EBITDA, operating income, EPS and net income have been adjusted for these items. The most directly comparable GAAP measures and reconciliations for non-GAAP measures are available in the earnings release and other documents posted on our website at investors.sabre.com.

  • We'd like to advise you that our comments contain forward-looking statements. These statements include, among others, disclosure of our guidance, including revenue, EBITDA, operating income, EPS, cash flow and margins; the amount and effects of our incremental technology investment; the effects of the coronavirus; discussion and expected results of our strategic initiatives; our medium and longer-term outlook; our expected segment results; the amount and effects of changes in capitalization mix and depreciation and amortization; the effects of customer financial conditions; and new or renewed agreements, strategic partnerships, products and implementations; our expectations of industry trends; the financial and business results and effects of acquisitions; and various other forward-looking statements regarding our business.

  • These statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from the statements made on today's conference call. Information concerning the risks and uncertainties that could affect our financial results is contained in our earnings release issued this morning and our SEC filings, including our third quarter 2019 Form 10-Q and 2018 Form 10-K.

  • Participating with me on today's call are Sean Menke, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Doug Barnett, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Dave Shirk, our Executive Vice President and President of Travel Solutions, is also with us today and will be available for Q&A after the prepared remarks.

  • Sean will start us off and provide perspective on our strategic initiatives, including our incremental technology investment. Doug will review our financial results and forward outlook. We'll then open the call to your questions.

  • With that, I'll turn the call over to Sean.

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Kevin. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today.

  • We have made significant progress in helping to ensure a bright future for our company with a transformative deal with Google, a new enterprise win with Accor and continued market share growth within our Travel Network business. But the excitement associated with these successes is tempered by the impact of the coronavirus and concerns throughout the world. In a few minutes, Doug will review our 2019 financial results and 2020 guidance, excluding the coronavirus. He will also provide color on what we have seen to date and the expected impact of the coronavirus on our first quarter results.

  • Before getting into the numbers, I would like to begin today's call by taking you through 3 important items. This call may run a little long compared to other quarters because of the clarity I want to provide. But going forward, we will try to keep our prepared remarks shorter. First, I will briefly highlight the progress our business has made over the past 3 years. Second, I will discuss the $150 million incremental technology spend we expect in 2020 and why we believe committing transitory, surge spending over the next few years is a valuable decision expected to increase our addressable market and power a highly efficient technology platform for reduced long-term cost. Finally, I'll explain how this transitory spending fits into our overall strategy, why we believe it is important to Sabre's continued success and results in expectation for a better margin structure by 2024.

  • We are investing to move from a transaction-based model to a predictive customer-centric model that is focused on the entire travel experience, not just the network airline side of the equation and from mainframe infrastructure to the cloud. We strongly believe the steps we have taken and will continue to take and the investments we are making will put Sabre on a path to more profitable growth and help create long-term shareholder value.

  • In following the company, you are aware of the changes we made over the past several years. Throughout 2017 and 2018, we built a strong foundation. We strengthened our management team with best-in-class technology backgrounds. We made investments in our technology that resulted in measurable improvements in security, stability and product health. For example, over the past 2 years, our focus on stability has resulted in a 55% decrease in severity 1 and severity 2 incidents and a 60-minute decrease in average time to resolution.

  • On the business side, we created the Travel Solutions umbrella organization over Travel Network and Airline Solutions to enhance collaboration across our teams. We evolved our go-to-market approach, presenting a One Sabre engagement that looks across our customers' needs and how to -- and how their entire portfolio of products and services can better enable their success.

  • Finally, we successfully navigated through a heavy renewal cycle over the past few years. At Travel Network, we renewed 5 of our top 6 travel agency contracts. At Airline Solutions, we locked down approximately 75% of revenue through 2023 with a high renewal rate of 93% based on total contract value.

  • The internal focus and investments we made in our technology, leadership and business in 2017 and 2018 allowed us to shift our focus externally in 2019. We signed key renewals and won new business. At Travel Network, we generated solid revenue growth. The fourth quarter of 2019 marked the eighth consecutive quarter of gains in our GDS share. And for the third quarter in a row, incentive fee per booking growth moderated to low single-digit growth.

  • At Airline Solutions, we had a solid revenue growth and commercial traction and new implementations within our AirVision and AirCentre commercial and operations portfolio. We feel good about our competitive position with reinvigorated products and capabilities. We believe we are making significant traction in the market on data and analytics. This includes a major renewal of Intelligence Exchange with Southwest Airlines. We continue to be engaged with airlines around the world and look forward to making progress throughout the year.

  • At Hospitality Solutions, we generated strong revenue as well. We recently announced a major collaboration with Accor, a world-leading hotel group with more than 5,000 properties around the world. As our newest enterprise hospitality partner, we expect Accor to implement our industry-leading SynXis central reservation system across all of their properties and collaborate on the development of a full-service property management system. This announcement has gathered interest with hoteliers around the world. And we believe it will lead to increasing our role in the hospitality industry.

  • As Doug will describe later, our commercial momentum resulted in solid financial results for the year and free cash flow generation ahead of our guidance. As we enter 2020, we expect Accor business to continue to perform well.

  • As you are aware, we have been thinking critically about how retailing, distribution and fulfillment of travel will look in 5 to 10 years for airline, hotel and travel agency customers. How do we help airline and hotel customers create new customer-centric products that convert shopping into actual bookings and therefore drive more revenue? How do they sell these new products and services through any distribution channel, including, but not limited to, the GDS? Finally, how do they fulfill these increasingly more complicated customer-centric offers sold to the end traveler? Each one of these items has an influence on the current and future financial performance of our business.

  • Due to our global role and our critical solutions that facilitate the travel industry, we have a front row seat to the evolving marketplace and understand the interdependence and complexity of the moving pieces. We are committed to being a leader in this evolution and helping our partners get there faster and more effectively than they can on their own. We are also working on how we can use data and analytics, artificial intelligence, machine learning and the cloud to drive value across the industry.

  • We believe we are well positioned to connect these dots and capitalize on emerging trends in the travel ecosystem. That is why today, we have announced our plan to spend an incremental $150 million on technology in 2020 to advance our efforts to be a leading innovator to help continue to meet the demands of our customers and secure a more profitable future for Sabre.

  • The $150 million technology spend is allocated among 5 strategic initiatives we've identified to respond to the emerging trends and opportunities. First is personalized offer. We intend to accelerate our road map for new IT capabilities, processes and intelligence that allows suppliers to transition from a transactional focus to a more predictive, customer-centric approach with personalized offers. Creating personalized offers isn't only about a new merchandising engine. It's dependent on high-performance shopping capabilities. Shopping volumes over the past few years have grown 50% annually, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. As custom offers continue to evolve, we expect that shopping volumes and complexity will continue to grow. We believe airlines and more specialized technology providers aren't equipped to manage these volumes and complexity on their own.

  • We see multiple ways of increasing the total addressable market and revenues in the future. There are approximately 5 billion passengers worldwide on an annual basis. If we can unlock 1 more dollar per passenger boarded that potentially unlocks $5 billion revenue opportunity for the global travel industry.

  • We believe we will unlock the ability to increase our revenues through sales of stand-alone merchandising engine that work with any PSS, as we stated with our desire to close the Farelogix acquisition when permitted to do so. Additional PSS wins with a go-to-market strategy that includes advanced merchandising for LCCs with Radixx and full-service carriers with SabreSonic. And evolution to a more value-based pricing model that compensates for upselling airline sales.

  • The second strategic initiative is the future of distribution in NDC. I just described how we intend to enable creation of new customer-centric offers. The next step is to enable the sales of these offers through an NDC-enabled GDS via NDC APIs as well as the supplier's direct channel. Integrating NDC content into the GDS answers the challenges the distribution marketplace has faced over the last few years as airlines around the world experiment with different options, specifically through the indirect channel. We believe we can increase the value of the airlines offer and the value of the GDS by integrating NDC content.

  • Our focus on the future of distribution and NDC also helps our agency partners. We intend to aggregate and normalize both the legacy, traditional offers and new customer-centric offers while ensuring compatibility with our mid- and back-office systems. We believe our end-to-end capabilities will allow us to bring additional, high-value traffic into the GDS, continue to grow share in the global travel agency marketplace and increase our revenues.

  • The third strategic initiative is low-cost carrier growth. Over the past several years, LCCs have grown over twice as fast as their full-service counterparts to reach approximately 30% of global passengers boarded, or over 1.3 billion passengers. Over the next 20 years, we estimate that LCCs will reach approximately 50% of global seat share, or over 4.5 billion passengers boarded annually.

  • Until our recent Radixx acquisition, we didn't have a product that was specifically targeted to the LCC space. The capabilities offered by our full suite of SabreSonic solutions are not all designed for low-cost carriers and the implementation expense and specific price points are not commensurate with their business model. Now that we own Radixx, we are engaged with a number of LCC customers around the world.

  • Radixx provides opportunities beyond just the PSS system. And I'm really excited about our ability to innovate on top of Radixx existing offerings. We plan to develop a full suite of retailing, distribution and fulfillment capabilities that enable customer-centric offers for the LCC market. This creates the opportunity to think long-term about LCC distribution through both the direct and indirect channels.

  • A full-service hotel property management system is the fourth strategic initiative. We already have a best-in-class central reservation product in our leading SynXis platform, and our state-of-the-art limited service property management system is currently being deployed by Wyndham.

  • Over the past few years, we have engaged with the leading enterprise hoteliers of the world. Even though we have had positive engagements, it has been clear that they need a full-service PMS, not just our limited service PMS and CRS offerings. Many of these enterprise hoteliers have expressed frustration with the current full-service technology offering. We expect that our entry into the full-service PMS on the back of our collaboration with Accor will position us well to evolve the hospitality industry.

  • There is no scaled third-party technology provider in the marketplace offering a complete stack that includes both central reservations and full-service property management on a modern cloud-based platform. We intend to help hoteliers create customer-centric offers, allow them to sell those through their desired distribution channel, and most importantly, ensure what their customers have purchased is provided. With the addition of the full-service PMS offering, we believe the addressable market for enterprise hoteliers, inclusive of their limited service and CRS requirements, is more than $2.5 billion annually.

  • Finally, our technology transformation. Our customers are continuing to demand more in terms of speed and quality of product delivery. We have made significant progress on our technology road map. But we need to move faster to transition our technology stack, which was designed to handle transactions rather than customer-centric solutions.

  • A technology transformation of this magnitude is difficult. To help address this challenge, we took the opportunity to think more broadly and push the leading technology cloud providers to contemplate a more extensive relationship with Sabre to help transform the travel vertical we compete in. After consideration and negotiations, we signed a historic deal with Google. Google is partnering to help us complete our tech transformation and build an advanced, predictive, customer-centric travel marketplace.

  • Benefits of the Google deal include superior long-term economics, including improved price performance with Google cloud versus legacy data centers and our other cloud contracts. And technological and financial assistance on Google's side to help us migrate off of our mainframe systems and, if needed, to provide mainframe services at what we believe will be better economics after 2023 than what we currently have under our legacy DXC contract.

  • As a side note, Google Cloud announced last week, it has acquired Cornerstone Technology to better help customers migrate their mainframe workloads to the cloud, which is another data point supporting the commitment Google has made.

  • Other benefits of the agreement include application of Google Cloud, data analytics, artificial intelligence and machine learning to our data elements to help unlock new revenue opportunities. An innovation framework to explore how we can provide best-in-class capabilities and solutions together. And finally, the agreement with Google is a preferred partnership, meaning it gives Sabre an opportunity to innovate with Google in a way that is unique in the market. Ultimately, our technology transformation is expected to lower our cost, accelerate innovation and provide competitive differentiation.

  • Dave Shirk is here with us today and can elaborate in the Q&A session on the technical benefits we expect from migrating to a cloud-based platform.

  • I want to reiterate, we've already taken bold moves that align with these strategic initiatives. This includes: our continued desire to close the Farelogix transaction when permitted to do so to support personalized offer in the future of distribution and NDC; our acquisition of Radixx to support low-cost carrier growth; our collaboration with Accor to develop a full-service PMS; and our partnership with Google to advance our technology transformation.

  • Hopefully, you have a better understanding of why these actions and strategic partnerships are so important. We will continue to look at opportunities that build out our customer-centric travel platform. Given the opportunities we see, we believe now is the time to invest in growth. We believe our $150 million incremental technology spend in 2020, ongoing investment over the next few years and successful execution of our 5 strategic initiatives will create the advanced marketplace we envision. By 2024, our goal is to increase our addressable market by $5 billion or more versus the $18 billion we believe we can address today, position ourselves for increased share, lower our costs and generate higher margins. We think this surge spend is a valuable investment to help our transformation and result in the creation of a much more profitable company.

  • Before I hand it over to Doug, I want to briefly address the global health crisis related to coronavirus and the impact on thousands of people throughout the world. Our thoughts go out to those impacted. We have employees and customers dealing with this fluid situation and will continue to engage with all parties to help manage through this difficult period. While we hope this impact is short-term in nature, we anticipate that the coronavirus will have a material impact on our 2020 financial results. And at this point, no one can predict the time line and ultimate effects of the operate. Doug will provide our preliminary estimate on the coronavirus first quarter financial impact.

  • And with that, I'll hand the call over to Doug.

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • Thanks, Sean, and good morning, everyone.

  • Despite the macro challenges we faced in 2019, Sabre closed the year with solid revenue growth, earnings growth in line with expectations and free cash flow generation higher than our guidance. In the fourth quarter of 2019, revenue was up 2%, driven by growth across each of our businesses, and recurring revenue totaled 93%.

  • As a reminder, our income statement has been impacted by both the increased technology operating expenses due to our lower capitalization rate as well as increased D&A from previous capitalization. The decline in operating income in the quarter is largely a result of these impacts. Excluding this increase in technology operating expenses, operating income increased 3% and EPS was down 3%. Sabre has continued to generate a healthy rate of free cash flow, which grew 21% in the quarter to $134 million.

  • For the full year, revenue was up 3%, backed by 93% recurring revenue. Consistent with all of 2019, the decline in full year operating income is largely a result of the impact to our income statement from the increase in technology expenses. Full year operating income and EPS grew 3% and 4%, respectively, excluding the increase in technology operating expenses. Free cash flow came in above expectations for the year at $466 million, representing growth of 6%. We returned $231 million to shareholders in 2019 via our quarterly dividends and stock repurchases.

  • At Travel Network, revenue grew 1% in the quarter. As experienced in prior quarters, growth was limited by channel shift from certain European legacy carriers and the insolvency of Jet Airways as well as political and economic pressures in Latin America and Asia Pacific.

  • Our bookings share growth remains strong, and the fourth quarter marks Sabre's eighth consecutive quarter of GDS share gain. Our global bookings share increased by 180 basis points in the quarter to 38.9%.

  • Total bookings in the quarter grew 1%, driven by 5% growth in North America. North America, which represents more than half of our total bookings, remains the fastest-growing and most stable region. Bookings across the international regions declined in the quarter due to the reasons I just mentioned.

  • Due to our strong book of business and continued share gain, our bookings growth exceeded that of the GDS industry, which declined 3%. The 3 European legacy carriers and Jet Airways had a 3% negative impact on GDS industry bookings growth in the quarter. Because we are relatively less exposed to these issues, the impact to Sabre air bookings was approximately 1.5%.

  • Average booking fee was roughly flat in the quarter. Incentive fee per booking growth was in line with expectations, in the low single digits. This is the third consecutive quarter that we have seen a moderation in incentive fees. Travel Network operating income declined in the quarter, largely due to the increase in technology operating expenses.

  • For full year 2019, our bookings growth in Travel Network outperformed the GDS industry. Full year revenue growth of 3% was also supported by an increase in average booking fees. The decline in full year operating income was largely due to the increase in technology operating expenses. As mentioned, incentive fee for bookings growth stabilized to the low single digits over the last 3 quarters of the year.

  • As we've discussed all year, there are certain factors outside of our control that continued to impact Airline Solutions' performance in 2019. These include the insolvency of Jet Airways, significant volume reductions at a large carrier in Asia due to an unfortunate 737 MAX incident and the demigrations of Philippine Airlines and Bangkok Airlines. These impacts were partially offset by the consolidation of Radixx into our financial results.

  • In the fourth quarter, Airline Solutions revenue grew 3%, supported by 10% growth in AirVision and AirCentre revenue. SabreSonic revenue declined 1% in the quarter. Passengers boarded grew 2% in the quarter primarily driven by Radixx. Airline Solutions operating income was down versus the prior year. Excluding the increase in technology expenses, operating income grew 4%. For the full year 2019, Airline Solutions revenue grew 2%. Excluding the increase in technology expenses, operating income grew 22%.

  • In the fourth quarter, Hospitality Solutions revenue grew 7%, driven by 7% growth in SynXis Software and Service revenue. Central reservation system transactions increased 16% in the quarter. The increase in technology expenses resulted in an operating loss for Hospitality Solutions in the quarter.

  • These trends in Hospitality Solutions also applied to the full year. Revenue grew 7% year-over-year, with 22% growth in CRS transactions. The full year operating loss was largely a result of the increase in technology operating expenses.

  • Total technology spend in the quarter was $257 million, up 6% year-over-year. Remember, this captures all spend incurred for our technology, both capitalized and expense for hosting, third-party software, and research and development. Total technology expenses impacting the P&L was $310 million.

  • For the full year, technology spend totaled $1.03 billion, a 3% increase versus 2018. As we've described, we capitalized 9% of our total technology spend in 2019 versus 26% in 2018. Therefore, total technology expense impacting the P&L was $1.2 billion.

  • Full year free cash flow totaled $466 million, representing growth of 6% year-over-year. We ended the year with approximately $3 billion in net debt and a leverage ratio of 3.1x. As a reminder, our priorities for uses of cash flow are as follows: continued investment in our technology, strategic M&A, dividends and share repurchases to offset natural dilution.

  • Sean gave you a high-level overview of the incremental $150 million we expect to spend on technology in 2020. So let me give you the specifics. These expenditures are to support opportunistic investments and are for costs above what we expected for technology transformation. This higher technology spend can be broken down as follows: approximately $100 million relates to the technology transformation and approximately $50 million is for opportunistic investments for the 4 other strategic initiatives and internal business systems to support these initiatives.

  • Let me provide more detail. In 2020, we will be paying higher mainframe costs than previously expected. To be more cautious with customer transitions, and since our priority is to have stable and secure systems for our customers 24/7, we needed to slow down the migration of certain modules to the cloud. As you can imagine, migrating 40-plus year-old technology is difficult, and we ran into some migration issues. For example, modules for session management, including establishing new log-in session for a travel agent and authenticating the user's security credentials for interaction with the system were planned to be offloaded by the end of 2019, but were not. This will result in us having to pay for mainframe capacity in 2020 that we weren't planning on.

  • In 2020, we will also be incurring higher-than-expected cloud bubble costs. Remember, as we build the marketplace for the future, we still have to maintain our current technology footprint for our customers. We will be paying for cloud computing cost inefficiencies and excess surge capacity across our 2 Sabre-managed data centers in North Texas as well as the cloud services managed by AWS. As we move through 2019, and we're pursuing the Google partnership, we put cloud optimization work on hold. Therefore, we will begin enhancing the efficiency of our cloud environments when we begin migrating to Google Cloud. In addition, we will also incur incremental development spend to rewrite code. This is related to our mainframe offload and exit from our legacy Tulsa Data center.

  • As Sean described, we expect that our new strategic partnership with Google will help buffer these challenges in the future. Critically, our agreement with Google includes provision of mainframe services beyond 2023, if needed, at better economics than our current legacy contract. We also work with Google to optimize our cloud environment as we migrate to their cloud footprint.

  • So in summary, for 2020, we plan to spend an incremental $150 million on technology to support our 5 strategic initiatives. We expect a majority of the incremental technology expenditures will not just impact 2020. As we move through 2020 and began to realize the benefits of our working partnership with Google, we will be able to refine the view of technology spend in 2021 and beyond.

  • Turning to our 2020 financial outlook, please note the guidance that follows excludes the impact of the coronavirus. Our core business is performing well and in line with our previous expectations. For the core business in isolation, excluding the incremental technology spend, we expect the following: low single-digit revenue growth in line with growth in global travel, EBITDA margin in the mid-20s, EPS of $1.10 to $1.30, and free cash flow generation of approximately $485 million.

  • When we factor in the incremental technology spend we discussed earlier, we expect no change to our revenue expectations of low single-digit growth, but EBITDA margin in the high teens, EPS of $0.50 to $0.70, and free cash flow of approximately $335 million.

  • As mentioned, this 2020 guidance includes $150 million impact to EBITDA and free cash flow from incremental cash technology spend. Also in 2020, we expect to see a continued decline in our capitalization rate. As such, we expect an additional $50 million impact to EBITDA from this that does not impact total technology spend or free cash flow. And as a result of these items, we expect a reduction in 2020 EPS of about $0.60.

  • Now let's turn to the coronavirus. History shows that health epidemics have a major impact on global travel. Quarter-to-date, GDS industry bookings are down mid-teens, and we have little insight as to when to expect relief. As a result of this uncertainty, we are providing our preliminary estimate for how we believe the coronavirus will impact our first quarter 2020 results. Based on the quarter-to-date booking decline we have already observed, we believe that coronavirus will reduce our first quarter 2020 financial results by the following: approximately $100 million to $150 million lower revenue, $50 million to $80 million lower EBITDA, $0.14 to $0.23 lower EPS, and $50 million to $80 million lower free cash flow.

  • Like all companies, we do not know the duration of the outbreak or what its full year impact on global travel will be. Therefore, we cannot reasonably estimate the impact to our full year 2020 financial results.

  • Turning to our longer-term outlook. By 2024, our goal is to increase our addressable market by $5 billion or more versus the $18 billion we believe we can address today, position ourselves for increased share, lower our cost structure, and generate EBITDA margins of 26% or higher.

  • With that, I'd like to turn it back to Sean.

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Thanks, Doug. In conclusion, in 2019, we proved the progress we are making with solid financial results and recently announced major commercial wins and strategic partnerships. As we enter 2020, we announced our commitment to pursuing new opportunistic investments and additional funding of our technology transformation.

  • At Sabre, we believe we are building a better positioned company to help evolve the model, transition-centric to predictive and customer-centric, network airline focused to trip focus, and mainframe to cloud.

  • This is all supported by bold moves we have already taken to help achieve our goals. We are building the Sabre of the future, a Sabre expected to have significantly larger addressable market and new revenue growth opportunities, plus lower cost and better long-term margin profile. And I'm very confident about this strategy.

  • As we move into our Q&A, I would ask that you respect that we cannot address any questions regarding Farelogix acquisition due to the ongoing litigation and pending decisions by the U.S. Federal Court and the United Kingdom's Competition and Markets Authority.

  • At this time, we'd like to open the call for your questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) And our first question comes from John King with Bank of America.

  • John Peter King - Research Analyst

  • Just 2 questions, please. So on the technology investment, it seems like essentially $100 million of the $150 million is basically stranded cost because project is obviously a little bit behind where you had initially hoped it to be. So the question, I guess, is, if that were to continue and there were to be further delays in decommissioning some of the mainframe infrastructure, what would -- is that a risk? And what would be the potential impact to -- as we look into 2021, if this does happen more slowly than you hope at the moment?

  • And then the second one is just on the coronavirus issue. If you can talk to the impact of -- on home versus away bookings and what you're seeing there? Whether you've seen anything? I appreciate the mid-teens guidance for the market, but anything that -- has that gotten worse since February? Or was January and February fairly consistently?

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • John. And I'll kick it off and then Doug and Dave will also jump in. On the technology piece, I think it's important that you break it into 3 buckets, and you were talking about the $100 million. And when you look at it, the one thing that we talk about is some of the slowness in the transition off of the mainframe into the cloud, and this goes into all post session management that Doug got into a little detail with. Things like that, we're going to have to be cautious with. We see that cost increasing into 2020 because of what didn't get offloaded.

  • I think the important thing is, if you look at the other $50 million, this goes back to the cloud piece. And I cannot state how important our thought process was relative to where we were in 2019, the opportunity that presented itself as we looked at, do we actually go further with current cloud providers, AWS or with Microsoft Azure. And we were providing an opportunity to really look at all 3 players. And in doing that, it was just not cloud. It was -- are they capable of actually helping us with mainframe offload? Are they capable of helping us think about more innovation into the future? And we started negotiations with the 3 parties that really went through the back half of the year. And in doing that, what became abundantly clear is all 3 parties were willing to engage in a more strategic relationship with Sabre.

  • They're very focused on the travel vertical. And this is one thing that I don't think people completely understand is how cloud providers are looking at specific verticals that are out there. And what we found specifically with Google is the focus of how do we help grow, how do we look at the travel sector and how do we make sure that we're engaged in it and more from a cloud perspective. And they look at us as essentially a gateway. The ability for us to win more PSS systems, the ability for us to win more in the hospitality, the more shopping, as you would assume, that drives more volumes. So how do they help us essentially look at putting the best technology stack that's out there. And in doing that, it was not only the cloud perspective that we were able to put together with them, but it really does get into the partnership that we have with them relative to mainframe offload. Teams that are sitting side by side. And I can tell you, the teams are already sitting by -- side by side on how do we think more through this mainframe offload.

  • The other important piece of this is the responsibility that they have at the end of 2023 when the DXC relationship, actually the contract comes to an end. Google has responsibility. It actually gives us flexibility that we didn't have before, on maybe there are certain components that we don't want to take off of the mainframe, maybe there are certain things that we actually want to advance and what's taking place.

  • So in looking at that and looking at what's taking place and why we're being relatively cautious about '20 and '21, on the tech side, there's moving pieces. But if you see how it all comes together, and this is why we point to really 2024 because we get to the end of the DXC contract, we are in a much better place compared to where we were 1 year ago. And I'm really excited about this partnership because it really is going to allow us to really manage through some difficulty as it relates to technology transformation. But everything that I've talked about as it relates to the strategy, it's going to allow us to execute in a better way than I think where we were before.

  • Your second question as it relates to just the coronavirus and what's taking place. So we saw really the acceleration take place mid part of January. It's when we started seeing the booking impact. And that's what Doug had talked about is sort of that mid-teens. What we're seeing, as you would assume, is that on a bookings slowdown, cancellation slowdown, we've seen more in the APAC region, John, then you find EMEA has been second, and then the North American marketplace, as you know, is the biggest penetration we have. We have seen slowdown there as well, but not to the degree that we have actually seen in Asia Pacific.

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • And John, I'll just add a little color on your question around the tax spend. I would break the $100 million down and about $50 million of it relates to mainframe, $50 million relates to cloud.

  • With regards to the cloud situation, remember, we could have optimized our cloud environments in 2019. But as I mentioned, chose not to because of the agreement that we're moving forward with Google. But where we will spend our time in 2020 is creating those landing zones to where we'll move our cloud environment, too. So we could have some more bubble costs going in again into 2021. However, due to the long-term economics that we're achieving from this Google relationship, it makes sense to incur those costs near-term now to get the long-term benefit from that relationship.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Ashish Sabadra with Deutsche Bank.

  • Ashish Sabadra - Research Analyst

  • Maybe just a follow-up on the technology spend. And -- is there a way to think about, I know you've not quantified the impact in 2021, but just as you think about where we are right now and the pace of transitioning away from mainframe, how should we think about -- any color on the 2021 impact on how we should think about it?

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes, Ashish, as I just mentioned, I mean if you think about what the $150 million incremental spend that we're now going to have in technology, that kind of resets that total technology spend around $1.2 billion. I would expect that to grow a little bit as we move into 2021. After we hit the landing zones from Google up and running and then begin to get the efficiencies resolve in '21, I would expect to bend that curve going out to 2022 and '23. And also as I mentioned, in '24, get to the EBITDA margins we've referenced.

  • Ashish Sabadra - Research Analyst

  • Okay, that's helpful. And maybe just a question on the GDS industry challenges, right? Sean, you mentioned a couple of those related to European legacy carriers and JetBlue, but we've seen GDS industry being under pressure for the last 7, 8 quarters now. So a couple of questions there. One is, is that driving some of the incremental spend, the $50 million dollars opportunistic spend? That's one. And second is, when do we expect the GDS industry to [obey]? And maybe a final question on that would be just if the GDS industry challenge persists, would you have to invest more going forward?

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, it's a good question, Ashish. And it really gets into the heart of what I've outlined as it relates to the strategic initiatives, what we're doing, what's taking place because we study this day in and day out. If you go back to what I have articulated, since I've taken over the organization 3 years ago, is the transformation in the marketplace. And as -- what is happening is you have, be it on the airline side and the hotel side, people are wanting to move to what is modern-day retailing, more customer-centric. And that taking place, you have seen that there has been pressure that has been put on the GDS because people are trying to find ways of generating more revenue. And where I look at it, we have seen the most impact actually happen in the European marketplace for reasons that we talked about in the past.

  • But this is one that, if everybody is paying attention, there are changes that are happening. And in doing that, the investments that I just walked through are clearly aligned on actually making sure that when we look into the future, we are right in the middle of this transformation, that we're helping our customers be able to have modern-day retailing that is customer-centric in nature. We have to think long and hard about how does that go into the distribution channels. And I'll be careful about talking about Farelogix. But when you look at Farelogix and the things that we're looking at, it's about how do we enable because it has to be done not only in the direct channel but has to be in the indirect channel.

  • And what people often forget, it's just not on the airline or the hospitality side of the equation, it is our responsibility to look at our travel agency customers and partners, and how do we make sure that what is being done on the airline side of the equation and wanting to sell these new products and services can actually be fulfilled on the agency side. And important to them, it's also how does it migrate into their mid and back office. So when I walk through where we are and what we're doing, it's with that in mind, understanding that the model is changing. It is being pressured, but we're not idly sitting here, watching it happen. It's how do we help our customers evolve. And that's why we're investing in the technology because we know that the opportunity is there. It's just we have pieces that we have to essentially migrate, and there's new technologies that need to be brought to bear.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Matthew Broome with Mizuho Securities.

  • Matthew Fraser Broome - VP of Americas Research

  • So I mean it sounds like migrating off the mainframe systems is maybe, I guess, a little more complex than had been initially thought. I mean is there any risk that you won't be able to exit. You talked to the extension in 2023? Or does the Google mainframe service provider sort of a relatively easy way to relocate those services until they're eventually sort of ready to be sort of properly sort of migrated to the public cloud?

  • David J. Shirk - Executive VP & President of Travel Solutions

  • Yes. Matthew, this is Dave. You've kind of answered your question with your last comment, that's there to the point that Sean was making, having Google there as that strategic partner to help us work through that and kind of the extra added insurance of that partnership, certainly, gives us the goal around 2023 that we're moving through. I think the bigger thing on this is to note that while we've had things that have moved from '19 to '20, we've also had some pretty good successes. We've continued to make good progress on the way our check-in systems work. We've made good progress on the way in, which -- ultimately in which our gate agent-based search and schedule and change activities are working as well. And so there will be things that -- as you can imagine, 4 years of code history, there are things that you discover as you go through it. And because we run a 24/7/365 operation, we just would rather be abundantly cautious as we work our way through that, focus on our customers and making sure that we don't have any unexpected impacts associated with that.

  • So again, with the Google relationship, there are methodologies that they are already talking to us about in terms of ways in which we can test, ways in which we can move that capability set, ways in which we can transfer some of that capability set in different models than we've traditionally been using. And I think that plus the Cornerstone acquisition that they've just done, they were -- we know for fact that they were instrumental in some of the work that Amadeus went through and they're off-load, that knowledge will be brought to bear now in Google helping us in the partnership as we see it. So how that piece plays itself out and what we look like, we're actually pretty optimistic about what they're going to be able to do to assist us with the offload process and being very, very cautious and careful about the migration.

  • Matthew Fraser Broome - VP of Americas Research

  • Okay, that's helpful. And can you talk about any changes in the competitive environment for the travel distribution that you saw in the fourth quarter? And what you're seeing on the pricing front with travel agencies?

  • David J. Shirk - Executive VP & President of Travel Solutions

  • No, the environment didn't change much from what we've seen throughout '19. As you see, we took share despite some of the GDS slowdown pieces that we referred to earlier in the call in the comments. But our technology continues to be very positively received in the travel space. We continue to make inroads, and we're going to continue to operate in the same fashion. But we haven't seen any material shift or change in the competitive landscape than what we saw throughout 2019.

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Matthew, the one thing I would add, just in relation to that is, in the conversations today and I can reflect where I was when I was running travel network 4 years ago, is the amount of conversation that's taking place as it relates to technology, technology capabilities going forward. It's amazing how that has actually changed and the focus that agencies are having and understanding, and this is what's really important when I look at our strategy. It's just not essentially the GDS side. It does go back to essentially how offers are being created, how they are going to be pushed through the distribution channels, and that is really front and center to a number of agencies around the world.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) And our next question comes from Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer.

  • Jed Kelly - Director and Senior Analyst

  • Appreciate the color on the coronavirus. Just stepping back, can you sort of talk what -- just, I guess, 2 years ago, you laid out a pretty good technology strategy at your March Investor Day. And what's changed competitively or in the market that's caused you to sort of change your strategic outlook? And how should we expect to see this incremental technology investment impact the Airline Solutions win rates?

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, Jed, I'll kick off. This is Sean, then I'll hand it over to Dave. If you go back 2 years, we really did talk about the changes that were happening in the marketplace in the strategy that we had and where we were driving and that gets into the broader distribution side. And much of that is what we have been acting upon and what's taking place. If you look at the things that we look at a little bit differently, and I wouldn't say at it -- look at it differently, we just sort of increased the TAM size, and that's really going after the low-cost carrier side of the equation. We didn't talk about that early back then. We were more focused on the full-service carriers, but when we look at the growth of low-cost carriers, what's happening in the marketplace, the influence that they just have on full-service carriers and how they act in the marketplace, that is one that we felt that we really needed to get into.

  • When we -- when I talk about the full-service property management system, and I alluded to this in my prepared comments is, in spending a lot of time with executives around the world, it was not just the limited service property management system and CR that they were looking for, and we had those engagements, but it was truly, I need a complete stack, full-service and limited service property management system as well as the CRS system. And in doing that, they are also looking at how do they think about more modern-day retailing and the capabilities of additional revenue moving forward. And that made a lot of sense for us to be able to do that.

  • So when you look at it, much of what we're doing is in line with what we talked about 2 years ago. A big part of it is just our focus on the technology transformation, learning things over the past couple of years. But then, the other important part of this is, and this is often what I tell the team and I walk the Board through this is, we absorb data all the time on what's happening in the marketplace. But question is how do we react in doing that, and it goes back to what I mentioned as it related to engaging with 3 large technology cloud providers and who could actually help us through this transformation.

  • Dave, I don't know if you want to add anything?

  • David J. Shirk - Executive VP & President of Travel Solutions

  • Yes, I mean Jed, just to comment on the strategy from a path perspective that we laid out 2 years ago, in particular, to our IT solutions stack, a lot of what we shared with you guys was to get healthy and the competitiveness of the investment that was there. I'm really, really pleased with what we've seen over the last 2 years with AirCentre and AirVision and the -- ultimately, the cross-sell and upsell that started to occur around that.

  • I also think that from a PSS competitive perspective, you've seen us renew a very significant percentage of our accounts is that come through that as well, which bodes well, the renewal that we referred to in Southwest in our IX or Intelligence Exchange capability for data and analytics. Again, these are all, really to us, very positive signs of our competitive position in the marketplace.

  • I think the other thing, maybe just to keep in mind is that the PSS space is changing. It's not just about the reservation piece. It's the capability set that sits around that, whether that's pricing, revenue management, some of the dynamic natures of the way in which offers get created and how that piece plays out with merchandising, retailing and commerce capabilities. We have continued to invest in these. We've continued to drive those to the cloud and continue to strengthen our competitive position. And so take that plus now the addition of Radixx, which we couldn't the LCC space at all with that footprint, we now have full commercial and operational capabilities for both full service and the low cost space.

  • And so to look at that, we talked before about in that plan, about 650 million of PBs that are up for renewal, mostly from our biggest competitor. We are pretty active in the market and I am optimistic about what the next couple of years will look like for us, and the biggest thing was just to get that comfort and cross-sell, upsell happening within the portfolio so that our existing customers saw the value of the portfolio as a go-forward. So we will try to build off of that. Again, we're very, very conscious of where we need to pursue and continue to evolve the portfolio.

  • Jed Kelly - Director and Senior Analyst

  • And just as a follow-up, just with the current operating environment, do you see this pushing out the renewal cycle further out past 2020 now?

  • David J. Shirk - Executive VP & President of Travel Solutions

  • I don't think it pushes the renewal cycle out. It certainly causes conversations to continue and go on. But at the end of the day, contracts are up and people have to make decisions, and they have to work their way through that. And the technology, as we've alluded to, continues to change at a pretty significant pace. And I think all of the carriers, the hoteliers, et cetera, are very, very conscious of the fact that they need to take a close look at the technology.

  • Operator

  • And our next question comes from Neil Steer with Redburn.

  • Neil Steer - Partner of Software and IT Services Research

  • Just to clarify on the guidance for coronavirus. The wording that you've used in the press release obviously suggests it's based on the impact you've seen in the third quarter so far. One presumes that that's going to continue right away through March. And obviously, an article last week published in a paper in which they suggested this could be a 6 to 7 months effect. So just -- what you've expressed today is just what you've seen in January and February, and that will be the impact on the full year. Is that correct?

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • No, no, the guidance that I gave was just a first quarter impact. And it was based on what we've seen on quarter-to-date that Sean talked about. So that's just a Q1 impact.

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Yes, I mean we have not provided full year because we don't know what full year is like. I mean everybody is sort of in that. That does include March. So it's a full first quarter impact based on the impact that we have seen. If you go back and everybody is doing a comparison back to SARS in 2003, the timing of the 2 issues really does sort of fit the same relative to early in the year. What we saw was essentially double-digit bookings decline, mid-teens booking decline in the first 2 quarters, and then we saw on the back half of the year in 2003, bookings increased. I think on a full year basis, it was right around 9% booking impact. But we're like everybody else. We're monitoring. We're seeing. What I can share is, over the past couple of days, we've seen increased cancellations in the European marketplace or booking slowdown in the European marketplace. So this is very fluid in what we're seeing.

  • Neil Steer - Partner of Software and IT Services Research

  • Okay. I understand that. But just in percentage terms, obviously looking back to Q1 last, those are quite dramatic percentage. You're essentially writing off 2/3 of the earnings and around about 1/3 of the EBITDA in the quarter?

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes.

  • Neil Steer - Partner of Software and IT Services Research

  • And just one unrelated question, which is with regards to -- I know obviously you have to be careful in Farelogix in what you can and can't say, but is it fair to assume that the technology spend guidance that you've made for 2020 and looking -- in the commentary looking into 2021, is based on an assumption that Farelogix proceeds. In other words, those technology spends could end up being considerably higher if Farelogix does not proceed? Is that fair?

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Neil, again, if I go back relative to Farelogix and the plans that we have with Farelogix, I'm going to hold off until we get to a conclusion with the trial here in the U.S. as well as the CMA in the U.K., and we can provide more color thereafter.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) And our next question from Josh Baer with Morgan Stanley.

  • Joshua Phillip Baer - Equity Analyst

  • I think the highlighted partnerships and acquisitions are clearly strategic and the increased investments around those priorities of the personalized offers and the LCC and full-service makes a lot of sense. My question is, with this in mind, how are you thinking about the return on these investments? You mentioned like the increasing TAM goals, but I'm wondering how you're thinking about the return on the investments as far as revenue growth or long-term growth prospects?

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes, clearly, the spend will do 2 things: one, lower our cost structure because, obviously, we're going to do a much more efficient and cheaper footprint to have our technology. And obviously, you're absolutely correct. While most of the investments that we're talking about now will begin to generate revenue probably out in the '23 and '24 range, quite candidly, they won't do it much more near term, except for you will get some of the core revenue beginning to kick in '21, more in '22. So absolutely, we have looked at this as expanding our marketplace and also creating an ability to generate higher top line.

  • Joshua Phillip Baer - Equity Analyst

  • And if I could just follow-up on the kind of the 2024 picture and the 26% EBITDA margin target. How should we think about that compared to the over 30% EBITDA margins that we've seen just a couple of years ago? Is there kind of like a path for continued expansion beyond that?

  • Douglas Elliott Barnett - Executive VP & CFO

  • Yes. I think you have to remember that the 30-plus EBITDA margins that you had in the past were when we were capitalizing almost $250 million worth of technology. We're now down to -- by the time we get out to 2020 and 2021, we're capitalizing less than $50 million. So probably on an apples-to-apples basis, if you were to go back, those would have been much lower than the 30% that you're talking about.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. And with that, I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Menke for closing remarks. Mr. Menke.

  • Sean E. Menke - President, CEO & Director

  • Great. Once again, I want to thank everybody for their time this morning to -- for us to walk through the number of things that are happening at Sabre. As you can see, a lot of things that are going on. But as I mentioned, I'm very confident in the things that are taking place, and I look forward to updating you at the end of the first quarter. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.