Primoris Services Corp (PRIM) 2024 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Primoris Services Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. (Operator Instructions) Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference over to Blake Holcomb, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and welcome to the Primoris First Quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today with prepared comments are Tom McCormick, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Kenn Dugan, Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, I would like to make everyone aware of certain language contained in our Safe Harbor statement. The Company cautions that certain statements made during this call are forward looking and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from our projections and expectations. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in our reports filed with the SEC. Our forward-looking statements represent our outlook as of today, May 9, 2024. We disclaim any obligation to update these statements, except as may be required by law.

In addition, during this conference call, we will make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures are available on the Investors section of our website in our first quarter 2024 earnings press release, which was issued yesterday.

I would now like to turn the call over to Tom McCormick.

Thank you, Blake, and good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our first quarter 2024 financial and operational results. Moris had a solid start to the year, delivering improved revenue and margins compared to the prior year.

Our teams across the organization are engaged and focused on executing our strategy to improve profitability and cash flow, while leading with safe and productive performance, we continue to see momentum driving increased investment in infrastructure solutions in North America and three primary areas that are having a positive impact on our business, the energy transition, growing electricity demand and grid modernization and the increase in facility construction to support a shift in the supply chain.

The transition to lower carbon emitting sources of energy is driving increased adoption of solar power generation as well as natural gas generation to replace retiring coal plants and help bridge the energy transition there is also a growing demand for electricity that is being driven by new facility construction, including data centers and chip manufacturing, which are supporting emerging technologies.

We're adding critical component production capacity closer to the US. Many of these new sources of generation will need additional transmission lines and substations to connect them to a grid that is already in need of modernization in order to maintain reliability and support higher electrical demand. We believe that these things are interconnected and will require sustained investment for an extended period of time and we are well positioned to capitalize on these themes in the coming years.

Now let's look at our performance for the quarter by segment. Starting with utility segment. We had a couple of factors that led to lower revenue versus the prior year. First, we experienced more seasonal delays in the first quarter of 2024, driven by less favorable weather conditions in certain markets and a slower ramp-up in communication spending.

Second, while our MSA revenue increased from the prior year, we executed less project work during the quarter. This was primarily due to a major substation project that we were constructing this time last year that was completed in 2023. Despite these impacts, we were able to deliver comparable margins driven by good operational performance in Gas Operations and Communications, which helped to offset a decline in the higher margin project work building.

Our backlog and mix of project work remains a high priority for the utility segment. To reach our target gross margin goals. Our project teams are actively evaluating a growing list of projects that we believe are well suited to our capabilities and address a market need for our customers.

As we discussed on the fourth quarter earnings call, much of their focus right now is on supporting the power delivery needs of the renewables business, but this will continue to evolve as our teams estimate and bid more transmission and substation projects.

Turning to the Energy segment, we achieved significant top line growth and margin expansion, driven by increased renewables and industrial construction activity. We initiated work on several new projects during the quarter that were awarded during our record-setting 2023.

The growth in these businesses was able to more than offset the decline in pipeline revenues that we anticipated due to a lower backlog of projects to start the year. Heavy Civil also contributed top line growth and improved margins versus the prior year.

In Renewables, we began ramping up on three major projects, which are progressing at a high degree of efficiency, which helped drive the quarterly outperformance. This efficiency combined with the timing of new project awards being pulled into Q4 2023, led to our revenue outpacing the booking of new work. We ended the quarter with a healthy backlog of $2.1 billion, albeit slightly down from year end. Solar portfolio of new projects remains robust and we expect to see bookings pick up in the second quarter that will resume our backlog growth.

In fact, we are evaluating a couple of projects that if awarded, would allow us to exceed our new business goals for the full year. Additionally, we are seeing increased revenue contribution from adjacent services like battery storage and O&M that accounted for roughly 7% of renewables revenue in the first quarter. These services, along with high-voltage work provided by our power delivery business are still in the early stages. Still, we are encouraged by the progress we are making and believe that they will continue to offer a competitive advantage for us with our solar customers going forward.

Industrial Construction was also a bright spot for the quarter. We had improved performance in our Canadian operations and commenced work on new projects in the Western US that led to improved margins in the quarter. These drivers offset the timing of work being pushed into Q2 in our Gulf Coast operations.

The funnel of opportunities in the industrial business is higher than we've seen in recent years, and we believe we can continue to grow while being selective in the projects we choose to bid in the coming quarters, we expect that this will mitigate the loss of revenue from select subscale or low margin businesses that we will look to wind down or divest over the next several quarters.

Overall, we are pleased with our performance in Q1, which is historically our lowest quarter for revenue and earnings due to seasonality, particularly in the utility segment. We are in close contact with our customers to ensure that we have the appropriate level of crews and equipment to help them meet their 2024 objectives. While still early in the year, we are optimistic that our full year margin and cash flow goals are achievable and potentially beatable with successful execution and continued investment in our growth markets of renewables and power delivery.

Now I'll turn it over to Ken for more on our financial results.

Thanks, Tom, and good morning, everyone. From our Q1 revenue was $1.4 billion, an increase of $156 million or 12.4% from the prior year, primarily driven by strong growth in our Energy segment. The Energy segment was up over $245 million or 33.4% from the prior year, driven by strong growth in solar and industrial construction, as well as some work that was pulled forward from Q2 and Q3.

The utility segment was down a little over $48 million from the prior year due to a decrease in project work and a slightly slower start to the year in communications, partially offset by increased MSA revenue. The majority of the decline in project work was due to the completion of a large substation project during 2023. We expect to see some choppiness in project revenue on a quarterly basis as we continue to grow toward our preferred mix of project work in the segment.

I also want to point out that we made a change in how we report segment revenue. Historically, we've reported segment revenue net of the intersegment eliminations since it wasn't material to our total revenue. However, starting this quarter, we are showing gross revenue for each segment and then separately showing the intersegment revenue deduction.

We believe this more accurately reports the gross revenue and revenue growth of each segment and better illustrates the growing benefit of cross-selling services between our segments. An example of this is our Power Delivery Group, building substations and transmission lines for our renewable customers. Gross profit for the quarter was approximately $133 million, an increase of $34 million from the prior year, primarily due to higher revenue and improved revenue mix. Gross margins were 9.4% for the quarter compared to 7.9% in the prior year.

Looking further at our segments in the utility segment, gross profit was $29.5 million, down $4.1 million compared to the prior year. This is driven by the lower amount of project work and a slower start in communications where compared to the prior year.

Gross margins of 6% were slightly below the 6.2% in the prior year, primarily driven by the lower project work, but still in the middle of our expected range of 5% to 7%. We expect to see margins move into our 9% to 11% range for the remaining quarters of the year. In the energy segment, gross profit was $103.9 million for the quarter, a $37.7 million increase from the prior year due to both higher revenue and improved margins.

Gross margins were 10.5%, up from 8.9% in the prior year. The higher gross margins were a result of an improved mix from renewables work and improved margins in our industrial businesses in Canada and in the Western US.

Turning to SG&A, expenses in the first quarter were $88.6 million an increase of $10.6 million compared to the prior year, but in line with our expectations. The increase in SG&A is primarily due to increased personnel cost to support our growth as a percent of revenue. SG&A was essentially flat to the prior year, and we expect SG&A for the full year to remain in the low 6% range.

Net interest expense in the first quarter was $18 million, down around $0.5 million from the prior year. The decrease was a result of lower average debt balances, partially offset by higher average interest rates. Our effective tax rate was 29% for the quarter, and we believe this rate will be consistent for the full year, depending on the states in which we work and non-deductible components and per diem expenses.

Earnings for the quarter saw a significant improvement from the prior year. EPS increased by $0.33 per share and adjusted EPS was $0.29 per share higher. Additionally, net income increased to just under $19 million, an increase of almost $18 million from the prior year and adjusted EBITDA increased to $73.8 million, up $20.9 million or 40% from the prior year.

Taking a look at cash flow for Q1, we saw cash used in operations of $28.5 million. This was an improvement of around $87 million from the prior year. Primary drivers were an increase in deferred revenue related to upfront payments for future projects and higher operating income.

Looking at the balance sheet, we maintained strong liquidity of $451 million, which includes $178 million of cash and $273 million in available borrowing capacity on our revolver. And our trailing 12 month net debt to EBITDA ratio held steady at two times at the end of the quarter. We could still see our ratio tick up into Q2 and Q3 based on seasonal working capital needs, but then trim back down as we near the end of the year.

Transitioning to backlog. We ended the quarter with $10.6 billion in total backlog compared to $10.9 billion at the end of 2023. Fixed backlog decreased $359 million during Q1, primarily due to the timing of booking new solar and industrial projects following a strong fourth quarter of new awards. We typically see variability in new awards from quarter to quarter, and we expect to resume backlog growth in the coming quarters.

MSA backlog was up $86 million from year end, driven by $182 million of backlog growth in utilities. And now turning to our guidance, we are maintaining our full year EPS guidance of to $2.5 to $2.7 per share, adjusted EPS guidance of $3.05 to $3.25 per share and adjusted EBITDA guidance of $395 million to $415 million for the full year 2024.

The strong start to the year gives us increased confidence that the higher end of our guidance range is achievable. If we continue to see positive momentum across our end markets. We will further assess our guidance as 2024 unfolds, and we learn more about the specific timing and scope of new awards. With that, I'll turn it back over to Tom.

Thank you, Ken. Before we open up the call for questions, I want to highlight key points of the strategy we laid out at our recent Investor Day that will drive our decision making for the next three years. Our objective is to grow gross profit at a 9% to 12% annual rate through 2026 and improve operating cash flow to 4% to 5% of revenue.

We will accomplish this by investing in our renewables and power delivery growth engines, while sustaining our foundational businesses performance through consistent execution, focused capital allocation and purposeful customer growth. This begins with prioritizing profitable growth in the right markets with the right customers.

We will continue to do what we say we're going to do for our customers, employees, and shareholders with the goal of deploying resources to the highest returns in our portfolio. We may not be the largest service provider in all of our markets. But our aim is to be the best allocators of capital in order to generate the best returns.

We are still in the initial stages of driving operational improvements to meet our longer-term margin and cash flow goals. But we are starting to see the results of these initiatives with a strong start to 2024. We believe we have the right teams in place to continue marching toward these goals and look forward to further safe, consistent, and high-quality execution by our employees for the benefit of our customers and shareholders.

We will now open up the call for your question.

Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. (Operator Instructions)

Lee Jagoda, CJS Securities.

Good morning. So Tom, earlier in the call and I think and certainly at the Analyst Day, you talked about that $200 million to $250 million business that would be a headwind to growth in the energy segment. It doesn't sound like any of that occurred in Q1. I guess couple of questions on it. One, do we expect it to occur all this year? And then any sense of timing of that and the margin structure of that revenue would be?

Yes Lee , we're working on about three of those businesses roughly $90 million of that $200 million should be completely wound down or very close to it by the end of this year. The balance of it will probably take us into 2025.

Okay. And then on in terms of interest expense, Ken, it looks like your guidance is above the run rate that you had in Q1 and even though the sequential decline from Q4 to Q1 was more than we were expecting despite that kind of being flat. What are the moving parts there and why should it be going back up through the balance of the year?

Yes. The main parts we are going to be on working capital, especially during Q2 and Q3 are seasonal peaks. And whether or not we need to draw on the revolver in order to in order to work through that. And in our for in our original forecast, we had planned to draw on the revolver even as early as Q1. Obviously, cash flows were better than we expected we didn't need to. So that's the reason it came in below. So if we're able to continue at the rate we are of our interest expense may trend below what we had originally guided to.

And just one more for me and I'll hop back in the CapEx guidance, is that a gross number or a net number. And to the extent that is a gross number, how should we think about the equipment sales to offset that during the year?

It's a gross number like it always is and we're expecting sales to be much less than they have been in the past, probably somewhere in the $30 million to $35 million range. For the year, maybe as high as $40 million , but nowhere near the $60 million plus that we had last year.

Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks very much guys.

Steven Fisher, UBS.

Thanks. Good morning. So obviously, a pretty robust profit quarter in the energy segment. You mentioned kind of a mix of renewables in Canada and Western US projects. How kind of one-off was this or how sustainable might that be?

And related to this, I know you said there's a potential for the upper end of the range for the year. If you see positive momentum, where do you think you need to see that momentum continue? I thought you were pretty well booked on solar and that maybe it's just more execution that you need to see more comfort in for the rest of the year to raise. But then is it more bookings that you need and where might you need those bookings?

Steve I don't think we're not worried about bookings. I think when you so I'll answer your last question firstly is, can we continue to perform? It's just consistency and performing continuing to do what we say we're going to do across the board and across all of our businesses on a Canada.

Canada is very sustainable with where they are right now. I think the western U.S. is certainly they've got a nice workload, nice backlog of work that's going to carry them through 2025. So I'm not worried about that. And renewables continues to grow as it has been.

So is going to be that 20% to 30%, maybe a little bit more depending on what their other business lines can do. So it's in getting the other businesses to continue to improve their performance and execution is going to bring our margins up to the targets that we set during that meeting.

Okay. One of the things that we've heard a bunch about is this shift in electric distribution spending to transmission. What are you seeing in your customer base and kind of regional territories that you have exposure to? And what are your customers telling you about the second half of the year?

Well, we're still in the first half right now, but what we're seeing and it depends on the client in the part of the country that you're in, we have some clients, the majority. Their work is going to be distribution work. They have some new transmission going in, but they obviously have to get through the permitting and everything else we have other clients and they've just recently announced their energy demands are having grown beyond what they had forecasted as recent as three months ago.

And so they're just going to be quite a bit of transmission and also along with that more and more distribution. So it just depends on what part of the country and what client. We see a lot of opportunities in that for our Power Delivery Group in both transmission and distribution, and it is a little bit different for each client.

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.

Jerry Revich, Goldman Sachs.

Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. I'm wondering if you could just talk to us about the performance of the solar business in the quarter? And can you update us on how many crews you folks are running now and the crew growth trajectory versus the last update we had?

Thank you.

So I'll start with your last question to Jerry. We have right now we have 16 project teams. We have 50% of the other two project teams that we will have in place. So we've had we'll have a total of 18. Our target is to get there by the end of September. And as far as the performance of the renewables group, they continue to perform extremely well. We're doing a lot of work for clients now. We've got some new awards will probably announce here in the second quarter and a lot of it's just a function of our clients' confidence in our performance and execution.

And what was the top line performance for solar and renewables in the quarter?

A little over $400 million.

Okay and then a really strong start to the year from a margin standpoint, as we think about the margin cadence into 2Q, it's usually a quarter of a nice step up, but across the portfolio, anything we should keep in mind versus a pretty significant margin pickup that normally you see seasonally based on what you've seen out of 2Q so far?

No, I don't I think you're going to see continued improvement in our utilities over the course of the year to towards the targets that we've set in carrying on into 2025. I think renewables is continuing to perform as they have, and we should see more of that in the industrial part of our work also as they pick up more work and move to the field.

We're seeing some opportunities in pipeline to that hopefully will become be realized here in the coming months and that you, as you know, those jobs move to the field pretty quick. So we've been very careful about the type of work we bid in that business to make sure we're doing the right work taken on the right work for the right clients. And so that is that's realized to-date and we should see some benefit there as well.

I appreciate the discussion. Thank you.

Brent Thielman, D.A. Davidson.

Thanks. Good morning and great start to the year. Yes, Tom or Ken, the on the Energy segment revenue and that's overall growth a lot better than we thought. Just to kick the year. When you look at the sequencing of projects in the backlog today and what you're likely to kind of pick up going forward, should this still be the lowest revenue quarter of the year and we can still expect to see a build up from here that you pull in more work than you would have thought?

You know, it's a little bit of both. We did pull in more work than we thought, but yes, this should be for the Energy segment should be the lowest quarter of the year.

Okay. And then I guess back to utilities, sounds like maybe a slower start in the communications side. What's your expectations for that business as we progress through the rest of the year, should we see that sort of inflect higher from here ?

No, I don't think so. I think that there we're seeing with a hyper scaling in the B to the broadband equity access and deployment money that's coming out there. We got a lot of clients out there that are they're really wanting to move forward with some projects.

So I think we're probably going to see an uptick in the second and third quarters. We may see them slow their spend down at the end of the year, which is typical of what we've seen in the last couple of years in communications. But I think it's going to be a good year for our communications group.

Okay. And just lastly, Tom, I couldn't help, but you did mention the pipeline business and maybe more optimism there. Maybe you could just share what exactly you're starting to see in that in that side of the business.

It's more bid activity and you look at your win rates, historical win rates and we should win our share of that work. We have some projects that we have competitively bid that we're shortlisted on. Now they haven't been awarded. We don't know if we're going to be awarded those projects, but just the fact that that activity is going on and it's the type of work in which we have an expertise and we feel like we can be competitive.

It's just positive. It's not going to it's not going to drive me to increase their forecast for the years just because it's still going to be a down year for pipeline as it has been in the last couple of years.

Okay. Sounds good. Thanks.

Julio Romero, Sidoti & Company.

Yes, hi, good morning. Tom, and Ken, this is Alex on for Julio. First question on the utility segment and what are the biggest levers to get you to the high end low end of that utilities gross margin range? Is it a renegotiation of PLH. contracts or increased mix of power delivery? I'd just appreciate your help thinking about it.

You pretty much got them. You have to remember, we estimated MSA contracts that were in renewal right now that we had some that have recently renewed that went into effect in April. We got some that we're negotiating now that we have go into effect sometime late mid to late second quarter. The sooner that they go into effect, the better off it will be for that business.

But it's also picking up more project work. We want to be in that 65%, 35% range MSA to renew or to a project, we're 60-40. And if we need the more project work we can bid and win and execute successfully. It's just going to drive that number up.

Appreciate the context. Thank you. And could you expand a bit on the higher industrial construction activity in the Western US. I think you mentioned it in the press release in earlier remarks, but just curious for a little bit more context.

A lot of it's just power generation work in it or a compressor stations that serve power generation facilities into one of them is a repowering project. We actually have been pursuing for almost as long as I've been with the company seven or eight years, and it was data didn't get permitted and they came back to life this year and we were able to negotiate and win that work with the client.

And so now it's moving forward. That was a project that out West as well, and it was put into new turbines out there for our clients. It's just again that energy demand out there is not going away and the energy transition from fossil fuels to renewables is going to happen quite as fast. So they still have a power demand out there that they got they got to feed.

Thank you. Appreciate that. And the last question from us on capital allocation, could you just speak to the M&A pipeline lately and whether valuations are any closer to meeting your selection criteria?

Yes. I mean, look, we can see, as we've continually said, we continue to see a lot of M&A. And for us, it's really not a valuation issue as much as it is just finding the right opportunities that fit what we're looking for on orbit or the quality that we're looking for. So we continue to look and pursue various acquisitions we're in. We're not in serious conversations with anyone right now. We're continuing to evaluate, but it's not a valuation issue. It's purely a fit and opportunity issue.

And we're seeing more activity. It's just it's not it's going to have to be the right opportunity for us.

Thanks for clarifying that. That's all from us today.

(Operator Instructions)

Adam Thalhimer, Thompson Davis.

Hey, good morning, guys. Great quarter. Tom, you mentioned a couple solar jobs that were particularly large. Why is that that you're bidding ?

Well, the one because we have the capability to do it and we have the expertise to do it anytime a particularly large. What's large of we're not chasing billion-dollar projects when I say large MDs are in the $350 million , $400 million, $420 million range with clients that we know that we have a good relationship with. We've been involved in the work since site selection activities took place and we are very familiar with the site very familiar with the area very familiar with what the craft needs are and it just it just fits into our wheelhouse.

Great power for data centers is a hot topic. Is that an opportunity for you guys?

It is it is we're doing a little work for some of them now are one of our objectives and our initiatives is to grow that business and grow in that market.

Any do you work on gas power plants in the Southwest. Do you do anything outside of that region?

We in US we do the out West. We have done some power generation in the East simple-cycle facilities we have the expertise to do it, and we're looking into that market again, it's we want to make sure that we stay within the confines of our expertise and our capabilities so that we're successful. But yes, we're looking at work in the East as well in the Southeast.

And then lastly, I don't know how much you want to say on the call, but you mentioned dispositions again, and you talked about that at the Analyst Day two. Just curious and maybe just a timing on that.

Really, we don't know the timing, but the main thing we've we'll be focusing on this year is those two, three small businesses that were winding down. And as Tom alluded to that, that's about 90 collectively, $90 million of revenue across all three. That shows how small they are.

$90 million of revenue. Okay, great. Thanks, guys.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Tom McCormick, I turn the call or I turn the call back over to you.

Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for your questions and interest in Primoris. I'll just close by recapping the key takeaways for the quarter. Our strong first quarter results have given us a solid foundation toward achieving our annual targets. Strong tailwinds driving increased investment in infrastructure solutions, particularly in power generation and grid modernization are expected to continue trending favorably based on leading market indicators and our ongoing conversations with clients.

And finally, we are focused on allocating our resources to the businesses in our portfolio that will generate the best returns on capital and drive improved profitability and cash flow. Thank you, and we look forward to updating you next quarter.

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.