Pennantpark Investment Corp (PNNT) 2020 Q4 法說會逐字稿

Good morning, and welcome to the PennantPark Investment Corporation's Fourth Fiscal Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. (Operator Instructions)

It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Art Penn, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PennantPark Investment Corporation. Mr. Penn, you may begin your conference.

Good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to PennantPark Investment Corporation's Fourth Fiscal Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call.

I'm joined today by Aviv Efrat, our Chief Financial Officer. Aviv, please start off by disclosing some general conference call information and include a discussion about forward-looking statements.

Thank you, Art. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is the property of PennantPark Investment Corporation, and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited.

Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone numbers and PIN provided in our earnings press release as well as on our website. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information.

Today's conference call may also include forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections.

We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at pennantpark.com or call us at (212) 905-1000.

At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Art Penn.

Thanks, Aviv. First, we hope that you, your families and those you work with are staying healthy. I'm going to spend a few minutes discussing how we fared in the quarter ended September 30, how the portfolio is positioned for the upcoming quarters, our capital structure and liquidity, the financials and then open it up for Q&A.

Despite the challenging economic conditions brought on by the pandemic, we are pleased with our performance this past quarter. We achieved a 1.7% increase in adjusted NAV as the portfolio continued to improve during the quarter.

We have several portfolio companies in which we have substantial equity positions that are benefiting from the K-shaped recovery. This is solidifying and bolstering NAV. We will highlight those companies in a few minutes.

Additionally, we are pleased with the formation of PennantPark's Senior Loan Fund, PSLF, our joint venture with Pantheon, a leading global private markets investor.

On October 30, Pantheon upsized their commitment to PSLF by another $27.5 million, bringing their total contribution to $62.5 million. Pantheon's additional investment came into PSLF at NAV. The equity from Pantheon into our platform not only validates the value proposition of the existing portfolio but it also helps scale the PennantPark platform to continue to be a leading lending partner in the market and creates additional capital for future investment into the attractive new vintage of loans that we are seeing today.

Pantheon's new $27.5 million investment into PSLF was again split into approximately 65% subordinated debt and 35% equity. PNNT also invested an additional $2 million into PSLF at NAV on October 30. Pro forma for the new investments, PNNT owns 60.5% of the JV and Pantheon, 39.5%.

Although we never predicted a global pandemic, as you may know, we have been preparing for an eventual recession for some time. Prior to the COVID-19 crisis, we proactively positioned the portfolio as defensively as possible. Over the past several years, we've generally been moving into senior secured positions, higher in the capital structure and into a more diversified portfolio. Over 60% of the portfolio is in first and second lien secured positions across 80 investments.

The overall portfolio is constructed to withstand market and economic volatility. As of September 30, the average debt-to-EBITDA in the portfolio was 4.5x, and the average interest coverage ratio, the amount by which cash income exceeds cash interest expense, was 3.1x. We have only 2 nonaccruals in our book out of 89 different names in PNNT and PSLF. This represents 4.9% of the portfolio at cost and 3.4% at market value.

We've largely avoided some of the sectors that have been hurt by the -- most by the pandemic, such as retail, restaurants, health clubs, apparel and airlines. Although PNNT does have exposure to oil and gas, which we will discuss later.

The portfolio is highly diversified with 80 companies in 29 different industries. Since inception, PNNT has invested $5.9 billion at an average yield of 12%, this compares to an annualized realized loss ratio of about 24 basis points annually.

If we include both realized and unrealized losses, the annualized loss ratio is only 35 basis points annually. This strong track record includes our energy investments, our primarily subordinated debt investments made prior to the financial crisis and now some portion of the pandemic.

Our performance through the global financial crisis and recession was excellent. During that recession, the weighted average EBITDA of our underlying portfolio companies declined by 7.2% at the bottom of the recession. This compares to the average EBITDA decline of the Bloomberg North American High Yield Index of down 42%. We are proud of this downside case track record in the prior recession.

Based on tracking EBITDA of our underlying companies through COVID so far, we believe that our EBITDA decline will be substantially less than it was during the global financial crisis.

Now let's turn to the outlook ahead in the coming quarters and how our portfolio is positioned. We are gratified that our historical investment focus has protected us from some of the worst hit areas of the economy, such as retail, restaurants, health clubs, apparel and airlines. We've been pleased with the way our portfolio companies have moved to rapidly adjust cost and focused on shoring up liquidity.

Many of our portfolio companies are in industries such as government services, health care, software, communications and cybersecurity, which collectively comprise a substantial portion of our portfolio and are less impacted by COVID.

Additionally, alongside the debt investments we make in many companies, we invest in the equity, usually as a co-investor with a financial sponsor. Our returns on these equity and co-investments have been excellent over time. Overall, for our platform from inception through September 30, our $209 million of equity co invests have generated an IRR of 25.3% at a multiple on invested capital of 2.3x.

We believe that we are experiencing a K-shaped recovery with some companies and industries being large beneficiaries of the environment. We are pleased that we have attractive debt and significant equity investments in 4 of these companies, which can substantially move the needle of our NAV. I would like to highlight those 4 companies. The 4 companies are Cano, Wheel Pros, Walker Edison and PT Network.

Cano Health is a national leader in primary health care, who is leading the way in transforming health care to provide high-quality care at a reasonable cost to a large population. Our equity position as a cost in fair market value on September 30 of $4.3 million and $18.8 million, respectively. Cano has been experiencing rapid growth with revenues nearly quintupling and EBITDA more than tripling over the last 3 years.

We believe that there is a massive market opportunity for Cano to grow in the years ahead with the Medicare Advantage program. Based on the recently announced transaction with Jaws Acquisition and where Jaws is trading, that position would be valued at $72 million.

About 12% of that value is in cash that we will receive before and at consummation of the deal in early 2021 and the rest is in shares of Jaws acquisition. Our shares are locked up in a limited partnership controlled by the financial sponsor and will likely be valued by an independent valuation firm at a discount to the traded value.

Wheel Pros is the largest national distributor of aftermarket custom wheels. The company has consistently grown since our initial investment with revenue doubling and EBITDA tripling over the last 2.5 years. Our position has a cost of $4.5 million and fair market value of $23 million as of September 30.

Walker Edison is a leading e-commerce platform focused on selling furniture exclusively online and through top e-commerce companies. Since our investment was made in 2018, sales have more than tripled, and EBITDA is up almost 4x. Our position has a cost of $1.9 million and a fair market value of $12 million as of September 30.

PT Network is the leading physical and occupational therapy provider in the Mid-Atlantic states. Our equity investment in PT came through a restructuring, which came about after the company made several operational mistakes. We've always had a positive view of the industry and the outlook due to industry tailwinds and demographics which result in comparable companies trading at EBITDA multiples of 12 to 15x.

Under our ownership, we brought in an excellent management team who corrected those operational mistakes and has shepherded the company well through COVID. Our equity position has a cost of $23 million and a fair market value of $39 million as of September 30.

All 4 of these companies are gaining financial momentum in this environment, and our NAV should be solidified and bolstered from these substantial equity investments as their momentum continues.

Energy investments represent 8.8% of the overall portfolio. Despite the challenges facing the oil and gas industry, RAM Energy successfully refinanced all its outstanding debt with a new credit facility led by Vast Bank under the Main Street Lending Program. The new loan materially lowers RAM's cost to capital and provides runway to execute on its operating plan and time to wait for a recovery in prices.

Our gaming portfolio has proven to be extremely resilient and continues to perform well. With the repayment of Peninsula Pacific Colonial Downs since quarter end at an 11% IRR, gaming exposure has been reduced from 3.6% of the portfolio to 2.6%.

We continue to review, and we'll look to selectively make new investments. The outlook for new financing is attractive. We believe that middle-market lending is a vintage business. This upcoming vintage of loans is likely to be the most attractive we've seen since the 2009 to 2012 time period.

Leverage levels are lower, equity cushion is higher, yields are higher and the package of protections, including covenants are tighter. After enjoying about 5 years of a late-cycle market for middle-market lending, it's refreshing to have attractive risk reward available to us.

Let me now turn the call over to Aviv, our CFO, to take us through the financial results.

Thank you, Art. For the quarter ended September 30, core net investment income totaled $0.14 per share. GAAP net investment income was $0.11 per share due to a $0.03 per share onetime cost related to the creation of PSLF.

Looking at some of the expense categories, base fee totaled $4.4 million, taxes, general and administrative expense has totaled $1.4 million and interest expense totaled $8 million, including a $2.1 million onetime cost.

Net unrealized gain on our investment was $21 million or $0.32 per share. Net unrealized depreciation on our credit facilities was $0.14 per share, almost all of which was due to the deconsolidation of PSLF.

Net realized loss on investment was $0.15 per share, again, almost all of which was due to the deconsolidation of PSLF. Our dividend exceeded our net income by $0.01 per share.

Consequently, NAV per share went from $7.82 to $7.84 per share. Adjusted NAV, excluding the mark-to-market of our liabilities, was $7.59 per share, up 1.7% from $7.46 per share prior quarter. The increase in NAV was primarily due to almost 3% valuation increase on the investment portfolio.

As a reminder, our entire portfolio, credit facility and senior notes are mark-to-market by our Board of Directors each quarter using the exit price provided by independent valuation firms, securities and exchanges or independent broker-dealer quotes when active markets are available under ASC 820 and 825. In cases where broker-dealer quotes are inactive, we use independent valuation firms to value the investments.

Our spillover as of September 30 was $0.33 per share. Our debt-to-equity ratio decreased substantially over the quarter due to the formation of PSLF. Our GAAP debt-to-equity ratio, net of cash, was 1x, down from 1.5x last quarter. Regulatory debt-to-equity ratio net of cash which excludes SBIC debt was 0.9x, down from 1.4x last quarter.

With regard to NAV, our GAAP NAV was $7.84 as of September 30, up approximately 0.3% from the prior quarter, which reflects both the markup of assets offset by the markup of certain liabilities. Assuming liabilities were not mark-to-market, adjusted NAV is $7.59, up approximately 1.7% from the prior quarter.

We had ample liquidity to fund revolver draws and were in compliance with all of our facilities at September 30. We have readily available borrowing capacity and cash liquidity to support our commitments.

We have a strong capital structure with diversified funding sources and no near-term maturities. We have $475 million on revolving credit facility maturing in 2024 with a syndicate of banks. $119 million of SBA debentures maturing in 2026 and $86 million of unsecured notes maturing in 2024.

We have been in consistent dialogue with our lenders and are thankful for their support. We have withdrawn our application for a new SBIC at this time. We intend to gradually pay down SBIC II, while also providing -- proving out our portfolio through COVID before reassessing.

Our overall debt portfolio has a weighted average yield of 8.9%. On September 30, our portfolio consisted of 80 companies across 29 different industries. The portfolio was invested, 41% in first lien secure debt, 20% in second lien secured debt, 10% in subordinated debt, including 6% in PSLF and 29% in preferred common equity, including 3% in PSLF.

93% of the portfolio has a floating rate, of which 90% have a LIBOR floor. The average LIBOR floor is 1%. We have concluded in consultation with our board to extend the incentive fee waiver through December 31, 2020.

Now let me turn the call back to Art.

Thanks, Aviv. To conclude, we want to reiterate our mission. Our goal is to generate attractive risk-adjusted returns through income, coupled with long-term preservation of capital. Everything we do is aligned to that goal. We try to find less risky middle market companies that have high free cash flow conversion. We capture that free cash flow primarily in debt instruments, and we pay out those contractual cash flows in the form of dividends to our shareholders.

In closing, I'd like to thank our extremely talented team of professionals for their commitment and dedication. Thank you all for your time today and for your continued investment and confidence in us.

That concludes our remarks. At this time, I'd like to open up the call to questions.

(Operator Instructions) And our first question today comes from Robert Dodd of Raymond James.

A few questions, if I can. On the JV, first. I mean, it looks like, obviously, no -- a technical question first, I guess. No dividend paid this quarter. Obviously, had earnings.

Is it going to be the intent that it's going to pay the dividend on kind of a lagging basis? Or was it just a timing function as to why there was no distribution from it, this quarter? Because, they're missing from this quarter.

Thanks, Robert. Yes, it was just because we had just closed and we were getting squared away with everything. But going forward, it will be paying dividends each quarter. This first quarter was just kind of a quarter getting set up.

Understood. Just on that as well, I mean, with Pantheon putting more money in, what was the discussion there? Obviously, after selling the assets into -- of your balance sheet into the JV, you have capital as well.

Was there any discussion about whether you would put in more capital than you did to match Pantheon kind of maintain the ownership percentage? Or was it a deliberate strategy for you to let them grow their percentage ownership?

Yes. You may remember from last quarter, from even the press release we put out, they had always intended to upside. It was just their LPs and when their LPs were able to kind of come into the vehicle.

So we closed on the first piece earlier on. And then we did this second piece, which was always anticipated from the get-go.

Okay. Got it. On some of the other portfolio companies -- on the OpCo, obviously, they just did a dividend recap. On your equity, I mean, should we be expecting a dividend from that piece, given they just priced the recap, I guess, like this month? I mean, so any color you can give us there?

Yes. So I think for PNNT, I think it's going to be something like $3 million or $3.5 million of cash. We don't yet know whether that will be characterized as a return of capital or a dividend. So we're waiting for their estimate of their -- how they're going to characterize that. But that will be cash that's coming to PNNT.

Okay. Got it. And then just in general terms, you went to obviously Cano, Wheel Pros et cetera. Any more color you can gives us about, like the time line of realizing some of these things? Obviously, Cano, there's going to be a lockup, et cetera.

Any idea about how fast some of this -- the equity could be monetized, given it does seem in the M&A environment is picking up, that might be an environment where some of these assets do potentially get sold. So any balance there?

Yes. So I think we're getting taken out of our debt in the next week or 2. So that will be a liquidity event. And I think we're getting a little bit of the cash on the equity also at that same time, either before or at closing of the total value that we're talking about, 12% will be cash, either in the next couple of weeks or at closing.

And then the other 88% will be stock in this limited partnership that's controlled by the sponsor that owns the Jaws Acquisition stock. There will be at least a 6-month lockup on that stock. And this kind of -- the sponsor and management will own about 65% of Cano, which is obviously a lot of value.

So it's not like we're going to be able to flip a switch and punch out of the stock. You could take that in one of two ways. Way number one is, it would be nice to punch you out and flip a switch, A, or B, and I encourage you and others to take a look at the public information on the Jaws Acquisition website about Cano itself, about the marketplace they're in about, their comparable, which is a great company called Oak Street Health, which trades at about an $11 billion valuation.

And if you were to line up Cano side-by-side with Oak Street Health, it lines up very favorably in terms of revenues, in terms of EBITDA, in terms of members, in terms of medical loss ratios. So there is a case, and I think we believe this case, that Cano should be a very attractive stock and has the ability to double or even triple, potentially, from here.

So we'll see. But yes, we are locked up for a while, and that might actually be a good thing.

Got it. I appreciate that. The one equity position, I guess, you do -- I think control since you have a large statement in the restructuring would be PT Network. Any interest in potentially monetizing that? Or is it still too early in the -- with the new management team and getting that back on track.

Yes. So yes, we do control that particular company. We brought in a new management team has done a great job through COVID. I think we need another 12 to 18 months to kind of get that in a good position, get beyond COVID. And there's a myriad of other physical therapy companies in public domain or privately in our value to 12 to 15x EBITDA.

So I think we want to kind of enhance that. We might do some small tuck-in acquisitions and try to get that EBITDA up a little bit so that we can then exit at an attractive multiple.

And our next question comes from Casey Alexander with Compass Point.

Yes. I have a couple of questions. You've got room to invest now. I mean, your regulatory debt-to-equity ratio is 0.88x. Can you talk about what the origination pipeline looks like coming into the end of the year here? And what sort of opportunities that you're seeing to enhance your earnings power?

Yes. Look, in terms of the vintage, we think it's an attractive vintage where the machine is operating, and we're looking at a lot of deals, and we are looking at ways to enhance the earnings power to your point. Right now, we -- the last 6 to 8 months, we've been focused, obviously, on the portfolio, COVID, getting the right positioning. But I do think we are in a time frame now when we can look at opportunities in the market as well.

And we're going to look now to -- as the NAV feels like it's coming into a kind of a nice position. It feels a lot better than it has in a while. I think it is time for us to turn to earnings generation as an additional focus. Obviously, as we rotate these equity positions, that will, in and of itself, be a great opportunity. But we are starting to look at ways to power the earnings to a better place.

Yes. And on that, I believe you also control RAM. And looking at the RAM website, it certainly appears from the press releases or the updates on the RAM website, that it's a better picture and in some ways, a considerably better picture than what we had looked at over the last several quarters that there -- can you discuss and give some more color there? Wells that are operating, how sustainable is it? The impact of the Main Street Lending Program? And how that extends your runway? I'm really curious to hear -- because it sure seems by looking at it that things have changed a bit for the better there.

Yes. No, the company is generating cash flow. And the Main Street Lending facility took out our former lender Macquarie and put more cash on the balance sheet. So the wells are operating. It's a cash flow generative, cash flow positive company.

We would hope that we could pay down that debt, a portion of that debt over the next 2, 3 years. It's very low-cost debt. There's a pick option for it, so we can benefit from being an issuer of that pick.

It's kind of like LIBOR plus 300. So it's very, very cheap. The Macquarie facility was more like a 10% yielding facility. So the idea there is to generate free cash flow, pay down the debt to the extent we can and position the company as best we can for sale, should -- or if and when there's a good opportunity to maximize that sale. But the main Street Lending Program, certainly for RAM is transformational. And the company's wells are doing -- they are doing actually very well in this environment.

So we're hopeful. It's been a long ride, but we think we've positioned RAM as wells can be positioned at this point.

All right. And I guess when you have almost a 20 bagger on Cano Health, congratulations are certainly in order for that one.

It's nice when it works.

And our next question comes from Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg.

Just a few housekeeping sort of questions. I noticed the other income line was up pretty meaningfully quarter-to-quarter. And repayments and exits were actually down. Can you give us some insight into what drove that increase?

I'm looking at my notes. Aviv, if you have any color...

Yes. We do have some prepayment penalties that we have recorded that are large this quarter. So you're right, about $0.04 per share that we have recorded is fairly large. Usually, you should look at it on a pro forma basis, maybe $0.01 or $0.02 is kind of a normal.

So extraordinary or large -- fairly large onetime income that we have booked. Again, hard to handicap what it's going to be next quarter. But it's primarily prepayment penalties on exits.

That's what I suspected. Art, can you remind us sort of what's your target blended return on investment on PSSL?

Yes. PSSL we're targeting -- this PSFL is over and PFLT, you mean PSLF?

I'm sorry, PS -- Yes, PSLF.

There's a lot of Ps and a lot of Ss and a lot of Ls. So I get it. PSLF, the joint venture with Pantheon, we're targeting kind of the same 12-ish percent ROE on PSLF as we are on PSSL. Its the similar university, and portfolio's similar kind of leverage ratios. So we think it's a very nice adjunct to the mix for PNNT.

And are you including the sub debt investment in that calculation?

That's right. All of the capital that we're putting to work. Yes, correct.

And lastly, in the past, you gave us a target leverage on your balance sheet, a regulatory leverage of -- if I recall correctly, 1.1 to 1.5, but now you've announced your -- you're going to unwind the SBA -- I'm sorry, the SBIC subsidiaries.

Can you give us a sense with the current conditions of the market, what your target leverage is on a go-forward basis?

Yes. So I think right now, particularly with the portfolio that's equity heavy, which is what it is. And many of these equities are because of value creation. We said 1.1 to 1.5. I think we're going to be -- we are at the lower end. We're below the lower end. We would stick to the lower end of that range.

And that's regulatory, correct?

That's regulatory. That's regulatory.

And we'll take our next question from Ryan Lynch with KBW.

I just have a one question. You mentioned kind of the prospects for Cano Health. And by the way, congrats on that. That's really great, great news. You also talked about PT Networks, which you guys are the controlling equity position. The other two though, Walker Edison and Wheels Pro, I believe that you guys are in the minority equity position. But just given the strength of both of those businesses over the last several years as well as the increase in the M&A market, at least that we've heard with pipelines increasing, private equity getting more active. As a general commentary, what do you think about the prospects of being able to exit those over the next 6 to 12 months?

Yes, it's a great question. We're not in control of those 2, but the companies are doing very well. So certainly, we would think within the next 12 months, 6 months is a possibility. But kind of hard to put a pin in it, but I'd say 6 to 12 months is a fine time frame to be thinking about.

That was my only question hovering me. Again, congrats on the really nice quarter.

And we'll go next to Kyle Joseph with Jefferies.

Most have been answered. I just wanted to get a sense for yields. Obviously, there were some moving parts in the quarter. With the JV, given your pipeline, interest rates, floors in your portfolio. Can you give us a sense for where you would expect yields to trend from here?

Look, we think yields will be roughly steady. I think it's a question of starting to put the money to work to drive the income and then also equity rotation. So I'd probably model steady yields for me.

We'll go next to Rick Shane with JPMorgan.

One of the things we noticed is that your upcoming portfolio maturities in 2021 are very low and very manageable. It looks like one of the factors that's dampened that is, it appears Cascade was restructured or sort of rolled forward.

I'm curious how we should look at this transaction? That was a transaction that was a large deal with 100% PIK. It looks now as it has been bifurcated into pref and the PIK. I'm curious how these crude PIK works on that transaction. If there's a reversal of any income associated with that? And whether or not the pref will be captured at?

The pref -- thank you, Rick. The pref is not cash pay. On that particular investment, we're accruing. The company is doing well. This was a situation where the can was kicked down the road because of the timing of COVID. But we believe that company will be sold in the next 12 to 18 months.

And it's actually doing very well through COVID and seeing a little bit of a lift. So we're accruing income.

Got it. And so when the -- so I guess what I'm trying to understand is that if I look at the notionals of both the pref and the PIK, historically, it looks like your basis is roughly the same. Is that the case? And so effectively, you're accruing PIK now and your cash exit will be essentially where you thought it was going to be before? Or is there a change?

So the [caveat is], so there'll be PIK accrual, and then we hope that when we exit we get the principal amounts -- the entire principal amount paid back. I think so. I mean we can circle back after the call and I can drill down into the specifics with you.

But I believe, off-the-cuff here that we are picking those amounts. Company has had a balance here with the goal of the company being sold here in the not-too-distant future.

Got it. And so the idea is that, in terms of giving an additional time with the maturity, I think the maturity was supposed to be August of '21, given additional time to work through the transaction, but it did look like the coupon on the PIK was lower. The net coupon to you guys is actually lower between the prefs and the PIK. What's the benefit that you received from this transaction?

Rick, obviously, I have to go back and take a look at it. I don't remember the exact facts and circumstances on this. This was probably 6 months ago, either right around when COVID was hitting. But we believe that our -- in general, our ball of risk reward is roughly the same and continuing to grow, but I can -- certainly, after the call, circle back with you with details.

Okay. Great. And could a sponsor put in any additional capital? Again, I don't know if you'll know that off the top of your head, I apologize.

Yes. Yes. I mean, I do remember that the sponsor did put additional capital in. So in general, this is a -- this was a sponsor putting money in restructuring of the balance sheet to kick the can down the road, to put the company in a better position for exit kind of post COVID. And I think it's a general theme of the specifics of exactly the coupons items. I don't remember off-the-cuff here, but we can certainly get into that after the call.

We'll go next to Devin Ryan with JMP Securities.

This is Kevin Fultz on for Devin. You've talked about focusing on portfolio management over the past 2 quarters, a lot at the same time, this vintage is particularly attractive. I'm just curious, how do you evaluate making investments versus preserving equity for a potential second lockdown?

That's a great question. And perhaps that's the reason we've been a little -- particularly with this company, a little bit more careful about deploying a lot of capital. So we've been focused on the existing portfolio, getting it in as best of shape as possible, positioning the existing portfolio as well as possible.

Now we're looking up, and then we're seeing what's going on. Now to the extent we deploy capital, it would only be in companies or industries that we think are going to be very COVID-resilient. And we do have -- most of the industries we've invested in, with a couple of exceptions, have been COVID-resilient industry. So they'd be situations that in companies or industries where the companies are doing well. Where it's a sensible amount of leverage where the return is attractive, and we feel a high degree of conviction around the investment.

Okay. That's helpful. And then, lastly, can you provide the weighted average LIBOR for the portfolio? And then also the percent of floating rate investments that are currently at the floor?

Yes. So 93% of the portfolio is a floating rate, 90% of which -- 90% of the 93% as a LIBOR floor, and the average floor is 1%.

And that concludes the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Art Penn for any additional or closing remarks.

Thanks, everybody, for being on the call today. Wishing everyone, health and safety, a great Thanksgiving. And early February is a short time around from here -- at the end of November, since this is the case, but we look forward to speaking to you in early February. Thank you very much.

And again, this does conclude today's call. We appreciate everyone's participation today, and you may now disconnect.