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  • Operator

  • Good morning. My name is Tiffany and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Polaris Q3 2016 earnings call.

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • Richard Edwards, from investor relations, you may begin your conference.

  • Richard Edwards - Director of IR

  • Thank you, Tiffany, and good morning and thank you for joining us for our 2016 third-quarter earnings conference call. A slide presentation is accessible at our website at www.polaris.com/irhome, which has additional information for this morning's call. Today you will be hearing prepared comments from Scott Wine, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Speetzen, our Chief Financial Officer.

  • Ken Pucel, our Executive Vice President of Operations, Engineering and Lean, is also here to answer questions. During the call today, we will be discussing certain topics, including product demand and shipments, sales and margin trends, income and profitability levels and other matters including more specific guidance on our expectations for 2016 and 2017, which should be considered forward-looking for the purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

  • Actual results could differ materially from those projections in the forward-looking statements. You can refer to our 2015 10-K for a more detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties. Now I'll turn it over to our CEO, Scott Wine. Scott?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Good morning and thank you for joining us. As we continue to deal with a broad array of challenges and opportunities, it was both sad and inspiring to pay our final respects to Polaris' last remaining Founder, David Johnson, this last weekend. David epitomized our culture and our Company and we will honor the virtues that defined him with our renewed commitment to innovation, perseverance and humility.

  • These attributes were instrumental to our third-quarter performance as we launched an array of innovative model-year 2017 vehicles, persevered through our recall challenges and embraced the humility that comes with a major earnings revision. Third-quarter sales were down 19%, to $1.18 billion as we prioritized recall execution and quality validation and delayed the launch of many of our model-year 2017 off-road vehicles. Results were in line with our revised guidance but that does not make them any more acceptable.

  • We lost market share in a weak power sports industry and incurred approximately $65 million of recall and related legal costs. The resulting lower volume and higher expenses weighed heavily on our earnings per share of $0.50, down nearly 80% from the prior-year period. Overall, North American retail sales for the third quarter were down 9%, our worst performance since 2009.

  • The off-road vehicle industry declined modestly in the third quarter and we were down slightly more as RZR retail dropped precipitously in the first two months and ATVs continued their sluggish trends from the previous two quarters. However, Side-By-Side retail improved September as better product availability and aggressive promotions help bend the trend lines. Specifically, the significant improvement in RZR during the final month of the quarter provides confidence that consumer preference for the brand remains strong and our vehicles are still the most preferred in the sport rec segment of the market.

  • Indian Motorcycles continue to prove that the combination of a legendary brand, great bikes and a strong and improving dealer network can grow in any market. While a heavyweight competitor recently commented on improved performance in September, it's worth noting that both Indian and Victory grew more than twice as fast in that period. Victory's growth was aided by its midsize Octane, which is attracting new customers to the brand.

  • Slingshot was down slightly in the quarter primarily due to the tough first-year comparables from 2015. We anticipate Indian?s share gains and retail growth to continue in the fourth quarter, with retail sales expected to be up, high-teens to over 20%. Despite the weak retail results, we made further progress on our dealer inventory goals, reducing our overall third-quarter number by 10% with off-road vehicle inventory down 16% year-over-year.

  • The RV inventory position is moving closer to our optimal levels, which will make our transition to RFM in 2017 less impactful. Our off-road vehicle results offset a more-than-50% increase in motorcycle inventories where five new models and a couple of dozen new dealers drove an increase over our prior-year period that was artificially low due to our Spirit Lake paint issues. In many ways, it seems like Polaris has been consumed by recall news this year.

  • We have previously discussed our retrospective review process and anticipated additional recalls, including Slingshot. This review is now complete and while it revealed that the trend has not completely run its course, it is abating and we are incorporating our improvements and learnings on an ongoing basis. These recalls and the refined policies and procedures they engender reflect our commitment to identifying and addressing any defect that could put our vehicles or customers at risk.

  • Technologically, organizationally and procedurally we have made significant strides and we are undoubtedly building better vehicles and becoming a stronger Company. We're making good progress but we are also continuing to elevate our quality expectations and our financials reflect that. The previously announced RZR recalls have now passed the 50% penetration rate for both the 900/1000 recall and the more recent Turbo recall.

  • Our dealer network has worked closely with our service team to improve both the timeliness and effectiveness of these repairs and our field repair teams are augmenting capacity in certain high-demand areas. We continue to aggressively encourage our RZR customers to have the recalls performed and anticipate that we will have a significant majority completed by year end. While we work to repair vehicles, we are also enhancing our efforts to improve dealer and customer satisfaction.

  • With RZR share more than doubling all other competitors combined and RANGER commanding twice the market share of the largest competitor, we see customer loyalty as an asset worth investing in. The foundation of our investment in customer and dealer satisfaction is building innovative products and our model-year 2017 vehicles have shown very encouraging early signs. With the launch of the new 80 horse power RANGER 1000, we have clearly reestablished product leadership in the premium utility segment of Side-By-Sides.

  • And by re-launching our RANGER 900 with an aggressive price point, we have made our 2017 Side-By-Side lineup stronger from top to bottom. Our motorcycle business also continues to innovate and grow from the Indian Roadmaster, which is pure American luxury in motorcycle form to the race-inspired Victory Octane. These new vehicles extend our ride and handling advantage. With the initial rollout of our new RIDE COMMAND Touch Screen Display System on Roadmaster 1000, they also have a technological edge.

  • The industry-leading system is a testament to the customer focus we bring to innovation as we have utilized rider feedback throughout the development process to deliver an electronic suite that meets their most pressing needs and makes every ride more memorable. We are focused on innovation and industry-leading performance across our portfolio. We have added resources and rigor to our design processes to enhance safety and quality and we will continue to build on our model-year 2017 improvements.

  • TAP will provide another new platform to build upon and we are excited to add Greg Adler and his Transamerican Parts team to our Polaris family. The acquisition announcement has been well received and the regulatory filings and closing process are proceeding efficiently. We anticipate that the deal will close in the fourth quarter, possibly in November, and we will provide more detail on the aftermarket PG&A segment at that time.

  • Steve Eastman is actively planning for the integration, continuing our careful and thorough efforts to ensure that neither the acquisition nor the integration process detract from our ability to execute and complete our recall activities. We will do both and do them well. I will now turn it over to Mike Speetzen, our Chief Financial Officer, for a review of our financial results and outlook.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. This morning I'll give an update on each of our segments, review our expectations for the remainder of the year and provide some initial thoughts on 2017. The financials presented exclude any impact from that TAP acquisition announced last week.

  • We expect to close on the transaction before year end and will give more specific details as it relates to the financial impact to 2016 once we close. The third-quarter results finished in line with our revised expectations. During the quarter, we booked additional warranty expense related to the execution of recalls, as well as additional legal costs, totaling approximately $65 million.

  • These costs, when combined with the additional warranty, legal and acquisition-related costs recorded in the first half of the year, total approximately $120 million, consistent with what we previously highlighted as nonrecurring for 2017. We are narrowing our previously issued guidance to $3.40 to $3.60 per diluted share for the full-year 2016. Our 2016 revised guidance assumes the following.

  • The currency rate for the Canadian dollar is assumed to finish near current levels. Currencies combined are expected to negatively impact full-year pretax profit by approximately $35 million, which has increased slightly from previous guidance. Share count is expected to be down approximately 3% for the full year.

  • Year-to-date we have repurchased 1.8 million shares and plan to repurchase just over 1 million shares in the fourth-quarter, bringing the total year repurchases to an estimated 2.9 million shares. Dealer inventory is expected to be down in the mid-to-high single-digit percentage range by year end, reflecting significant progress in right-sizing inventory levels. Total Company sales are expected to be in the range of down mid-to-high single-digit percent.

  • On a segment reporting basis, sales expectations are as follows. ORV and snowmobile sales are expected to be down high single-digits to low-double-digits percent, given impacts related to the recall as well as weak industry conditions. Motorcycle sales are anticipated to be up low single-digits percent, which is lower than previously expected given weak industry conditions.

  • And Global Adjacent Market sales are expected to be up high single-digits percent, slightly lower than previously expected given weak work and transportation markets as well as timing of military programs. Now let me provide more details around our segments. ORV and snowmobile segment sales were down 23% in Q3, driven primarily by the impact from delayed shipments of our model-year 2017 vehicles, as we revalidated those products for any potential safety or quality issues, coupled with weak industry dynamics.

  • Sales were also impacted by higher promotional spending as we protected the brand and remained competitive against heightened industry promotional spending levels. For the full-year 2016, our ORV and snowmobile segment sales are expected to be down high single digits to low double-digits percent. Snowmobile sales expectations for the full-year 2016 remain unchanged at down about 20% year-over-year.

  • Motorcycle sales declined 3% in Q3 primarily due to weak industry fundamentals coupled with Slingshot sales being down significantly quarter-over-quarter as we were shipping aggressively in the third quarter of 2015 to reduce a significant backlog for Slingshot deliveries in the first year of production. Victory and Indian combined increased sales in the low-teens percent during the quarter reflecting continued market share gains. Although we continue to gain share, weak industry fundamentals are driving a reduction to our full-year guidance for Motorcycles to be up low single-digits percent.

  • Global Adjacent Market sales increased 6% in the third-quarter, driven by the Taylor-Dunn acquisition completed in the first quarter of the year. Sales in our defense business transportation businesses were lower quarter-over-quarter due to delayed military orders and weak rental and B2B sales. We expect full-year 2016 sales growth for the segment to be up high single-digits percent.

  • International sales were down 8% in the third quarter, down 7% on a constant currency basis. The decrease was driven primarily by lower ORV sales due to the recalls.

  • Parts, garments and accessory sales decreased 1% in the third quarter, driven by lower sales in both ORV and Motorcycles due to weak industry trends and delayed model-year 2017 PG&A shipments in line with the whole good delay. Before I moved to gross margins, I want to review our thinking around segment reporting for the TAP acquisition. After the deal closes, we are planning to establish a fourth reporting segment called Aftermarket, which will include TAP along with our current aftermarket brands including KLIM, Kolpin, Pro Armor, Trail Tech and 509.

  • The fourth reporting segment will have annualized sales of approximately $850 million on a pro forma basis. Polaris engineered PG&A will continue to be included in each respective segment as before. Beginning in 2017, our guidance will be based on these four reporting segments, ORV and Snowmobiles, Motorcycles, Global Adjacent Markets and the new Aftermarket segment.

  • As before, we will provide supplemental metrics for further insight into our business performance where needed. Historical data under the new reporting structure will also be made available once the new segment is finalized. Moving on to gross margins.

  • Margins were down 655 basis points, reflecting lower volume and additional warranty and customer loyalty cost taken during the quarter, as we indicated previously. The additional 490 basis points of warranty expense taken during the quarter includes the safety and service recall bulletins we've publicly announced as well as expenses that are probable and estimable for quality issues being evaluated. Additionally, gross margins were negatively impacted by higher promotional and customer appreciation cost to bolster confidence and credibility with our off-road vehicle owners, which is expected to be a multi-quarter activity.

  • As Scott indicated, we're spending what is required to get the recall repairs completed effectively along with putting processes and systems in place to improve the quality and safety of our vehicles going forward. Despite these headwinds, we continued to make strong progress in our VIP cost improvement initiatives which helped offset a portion of these cost increases. For the full-year 2016, gross margins are now expected to be down 380 basis points to 390 basis points, compared to 2015.

  • This reflects the significant volume reduction in our very profitable off-road vehicle business, approximately 200 basis points of impact from the added warranty-related costs we have incurred and approximately 100 basis points of negative foreign exchange impact for the full year. Operating expenses are now expected to increase approximately 300 basis points as a percentage of sales given product liability, acquisition costs, legal and other recall-related costs incurred during the year. Our expectations for the remaining P&L line items either remain unchanged or have only minor adjustments from our previously issued guidance.

  • While we are not prepared to provide detailed guidance for 2017 at this point, we do think there are some key aspects around next year that are important as you begin building your expectations for our performance. From a sales perspective, we anticipate that the industry will remain challenged and we could see a third straight year of a flat-to-down industry. The oil and agriculture markets will likely remain challenged and competition will remain high. As a result we anticipate promotional spend to continue at levels similar to the second half of 2016.

  • From a cost perspective, we anticipate that we will benefit from the $120 million of nonrecurring costs incurred in 2016, of which approximately 70% impacts gross margins. To clarify, this is the same $120 million I referenced earlier that includes one-time warranty, legal and acquisition-related costs incurred throughout 2016. We will, however, spend more money in engineering resources aimed to continue quality and safety enhancements as well as ongoing innovation investments and expect that this will increase engineering costs mid-teens percent over 2016 levels.

  • Lastly, we anticipate continued strong performance in our Lean evolution. We expect continued gains in our VIP cost reduction efforts and anticipate a smooth RFM implementation in our Side-By-Side business during the course of the year. With that I'll turn it back over to Scott for some final thoughts.

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, Mike. With election day in exactly 2 weeks, we know that speculation will soon give way to either celebration or complaint, but either way the political environment will remain volatile. That certainly means that the prospects for a more stable global economy are highly unlikely.

  • Between unprecedented levels of debt across the public and private sectors and the likelihood of rising deficits and further regulatory constraints, a slow-growth environment is probably the best we can hope for. After two years of underperforming, we expect to demonstrate the significant progress we have made behind the scenes with a return to outperforming the market in off-road vehicles while continuing to do so in Motorcycles, just more profitably. We will exit 2016 with lower inventories in our factories and in our dealers.

  • Our lead times will be shorter and improving throughout 2017 as we transition to RFM and our Company-wide focus on safety and quality will benefit dealers, customers and all Polaris stakeholders. We will continue to drive innovation and work to accelerate growth with Transamerican Auto Parts but our focus will be on the basics: safety, quality, delivery and cost and, of course, execution.

  • With that, I'll turn it over to Tiffany to open the line for questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • James Hardiman, Wedbush Securities.

  • James Hardiman - Analyst

  • Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. I wanted to focus on what sounded like probably the most positive takeaway from the quarter and that's the improvement in Side-By-Sides in the month of September.

  • Help us understand the factors that led to that increase. I would assume that the timing of some of the model-year 2017 launches probably helped that. How much of a factor did promotions play on a year-over-year basis?

  • And any color that you could give us on retail trends in October would be really helpful. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, are Side-By-Sides still growing and did September represent a turning point for you guys?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Thanks, James. We're not going to provide color on October and the fourth quarter. We don't provide in-quarter guidance.

  • I will tell you that we were not at all pleased with how July and August went for Side-By-Sides in general but RZR specifically. It was -- we knew it was going to be difficult and it was very difficult. Matt Homan and his team, they are really, really good and really, really competitive and they took a lot of steps to look at what we could do to drive improvements in September. So our promotions were better, more targeted and more impactful.

  • Our model-year 2017 vehicles have started to flow in. And we've released the -- started to ship the Turbos. I mean the 2016 Turbos were released for sale which was very helpful, at a price point that our customers liked. So, it was a combination of those three things together that provided the turn that we hoped for and certainly needed to get confidence that our brands were still strong.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • James, I'd add to that, obviously you can do the math around the business plan. We are assuming a little bit of retail growth in our off-road vehicle business in the fourth quarter. You've got to remember, we're comparing back to the fourth quarter of last year when things got pretty bad in that segment.

  • The second thing I'd point out is, Scott pointed to the Motorcycle performance in the quarter and I think coming back to that is important. We had an industry down high single-digits and our Motorcycle business, all-inclusive, performed in the high single-digits from retail standpoint. And as Scott pointed out, Victory and Indian together were in the high teens. That's continued market share growth and good performance in an industry that's a bit challenged right now.

  • Operator

  • Tim Conder, Wells Fargo Securities

  • Tim Conder - Analyst

  • Thank you and good morning, gentlemen. Slide 18 here, if we could. Thank you for the clarification on that.

  • But as we -- first of all, if you could give us some color on any quantification on the Lean and, et cetera, benefits. And then as we go forward and maybe think past 2017, should we start to see some of the incremental ongoing spending in 2017 here, whether it's R&D or continuation of some of the higher-level marketing/customer engagement?

  • Should we see that start to abate somewhat? I guess the real root of the question is, how should we think about that normalized going forward?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes. I think, Tim, we are obviously not at a point where we are comfortable giving out details but I think your premise around normalizing is fair. You're going to see our investment levels, as we indicated here, for engineering come up to what we think is probably a more reasonable level and then I would anticipate that we would try to keep that somewhat consistent as a percent of sales.

  • I think the point around Lean, VIP improvements, around cost is, there is a significant amount of progress that Ken and his team have made over the past couple years. It doesn't come through in the results obviously when we are pulling shipments down double-digits in our most profitable businesses. But I can tell you that they have staved off a fair amount of margin erosion with the activities that they have.

  • We anticipate that progress that they have made, the system that they've built, the capability and the processes will continue into 2017 and that's going to aid us in continuing to look for margin improvements as we start to get the business into more of a recovery mode.

  • Tim Conder - Analyst

  • Okay. And then one follow up here. Any color at this point? You guys giving a little bit of 2017 color here on and where FX stands at this point?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes. I mean we've essentially guided with FX consistent where we are at. When you look at the last couple years, two years ago we dealt with $120 million of top-line headwind. It's abated significantly, about half of that as we look at this year or less than half of that. It's anybody's guess.

  • I suspect if the rates hold where they are now, we might have just a tad bit of headwind but it's certainly not going to be at the level of magnitude that we have seen. That's why we left it off the chart is we just don't think it's going to be a factor one way or the other.

  • Richard Edwards - Director of IR

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • Brandon Rolle, Longbow Research.

  • Brandon Rolle - Analyst

  • Hi, this is Brandon Rolle on for David MacGregor. My question is surrounding looking towards 2017.

  • Will we see any decrease in the number of Polaris ORV models that dealers intend to floor? And a second question would be on Indian. Where within the price-point lineup are you seeing the greatest strength? Thank you.

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • All right. With ORV we are constantly evaluating our portfolio of products. You know Matt, again just credit to he and team in the team and how they are looking at the portfolio. I don't think it's fair to assume that there's going to be a dramatic decrease in the number of units but I don't think that we are going to be adding a ton either.

  • Really as you think about ORV stocking at dealers, it's really important to think about the aggressive rollout of RFM next year, which means no matter how many units they have, we're going to be able to replenish them much faster and make the overall dealer inventory and availability of products for customers significantly better. That's a more important impact than any change that we'll make to the number of models available. On Indian, we are really seeing good demand across the price point.

  • Obviously, the launch of the Scout Sixty last year has made the portfolio of both the Scout and the Scout Sixty continue to do well. The Roadmaster, especially with RIDE COMMAND, is taking a lot of attention away at the top end of the market and we feel really good about how, as we've talked about, with high teens to up more than 20% -- or 20% retail in the fourth quarter. We expect Indian to continue to be strong.

  • Richard Edwards - Director of IR

  • Next question.

  • Operator

  • David Beckel, Bernstein Research.

  • David Beckel - Analyst

  • Thanks for the question. You were mentioning that ORV sales or market share has began to firm up, in your opinion, or you expect it to shortly. I was wondering if you were to look over a two-year period from 2015 to 2017, by of the end of next year where would you expect your ORV market share to be, relative to where it was in FY15 before all the recall issues and the shipment disruptions? And I have a quick follow-up. Thanks.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Probably down slightly.

  • David Beckel - Analyst

  • Down slightly. Okay. That's helpful. Just with respect to Motorcycle guidance being reduced to low single, how should we think about next year's growth? What are the puts and takes with respect to FY17?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • I want to clarify something because I know that there's probably a little bit of confusion when we talk about our Motorcycle revenue being down 3% and then obviously if you squeeze out the math for the balance of the year that suggests our Motorcycle revenue, Company shipment revenue will be down 15% to 30% in the fourth quarter. That does not indicate that we have a view that the retail has significantly softened.

  • If you remember back, we had obviously a number of issues coming out of Spirit Lake last year and we ended up ramping up Motorcycle sales into the channel much later into the year. Our fourth-quarter of last year was up 33% in terms of Company shipments.

  • To put it in broad perspective, our retail last year for Motorcycles was up just over 60%. Our shipments were up well over 70%. So we were clearly shipping ahead into the channel. We're now at the point where we are on RFM so our shipment into the business -- to the retail channel and retail flow through as we get into 2017 is going to mirror more closely so we are not going to have as many of these disconnects.

  • As Scott indicated, in the third-quarter where we saw a market that was challenged significantly, down high single-digits, we continued to turn in pretty significant retail strength. Although, we think the industry's going to be somewhat challenged, we do continue to see the opportunity for us to take share and continue to see strong retail growth.

  • Operator

  • Robin Farley, UBS.

  • Robin Farley - Analyst

  • Great. I'm just trying to think about your ORV shipments for next year with your comments that the industry, you think, will be flat to down and you mentioned that you expect to have stable market share. Does that mean, because we were thinking about some of the shipment decline this year being related to the fact that you were holding back some product as you were working through the recalls.

  • But it sounds like, based on those two pieces, that we should not expect to see ORV shipments flat or up next year. It sounds like your ORV shipments will be down for next year. Just kind of triangulating those two things and maybe the only variable there is your dealer inventory goal year end maybe would make that math different? I don't know if you can give any color on those factors?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • You know, I think the important thing, Robin, is just where we feel about our share position and our ability to ship products. It was a difficult year in many respects this year and we will have a lot of that -- not a lot -- we'll have almost all of that pain behind us as far as the impact on shipments next year.

  • We do have to contend with the rollout of RFM and we think the benefits of that far exceed anything that it hurts on a volume basis. But as I said in my remarks, we've gotten a lot of that work done already as we head into next year.

  • So really, it's going to be about what we can do in driving retail and we will be quite aggressive with our plans and our promotions there. But I think, as Mike talked about in his remarks, think about flat is essentially the right way to think about it. We will work from there but that's how we are planning for 2017 at this point.

  • Robin Farley - Analyst

  • Okay. Thanks. I wonder if I could just ask one quick follow up, which is on the recall front. If you're, at this point, do you think through anything that needs to be announced? I know Slingshot had a safety notice which, is that something that would be instead of a recall so at this point you've -- everything is announced that you expect?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • The Slingshot is a recall. It's just through NHTSA so it takes a little bit different form as you look at it. We are --in our industry, there's always going to be recalls.

  • And I will tell you that just because we've had a tremendous effort to get through it as much as we can, we are going to have recalls going forward. We anticipated the Slingshot. We knew it was coming, we just can't talk about -- even if we are anticipating them we can't necessarily talk about them. We can have them in our financials. We can plan for them and we try to be forthcoming when they are announced about whether they was new [included].

  • We think the -- there will be an abatement of the significant spike in recalls that we have had. But by no means is it something that's going to go dwindle down to nothing. The big ones are there. There's a couple -- there's more work to be done.

  • The team's done a really nice job, as I said, with this historical review and we know what's coming. But certainly we are not done with recalls.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • And, Robin, I would just draw you back to my prepared remarks where, as I indicated, that $120 million that we've put thus far, that it includes what's been announced as well as anticipated costs that are estimable and probable on items that we're reviewing for quality issues.

  • Robin Farley - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. That's very helpful. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Craig Kennison, Baird.

  • Craig Kennison - Analyst

  • Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Scott, on the recall changes, what are the top two or three operational changes you've made to give you more confidence in the product quality and safety?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • It's not one thing, Craig. I will tell you that the work that Ken and his team have done is extensive and it's ongoing. A couple of the key ones -- promoting Joel Houlton to be our Safety and Quality VP, working directly for me and Ken. He is building an organization that gives us a pulse on what's going on. Just the speed that we know and can react to any issues in the field, that field surveillance, is just critical to our sales.

  • We have upgraded our thermal engineering team and I think we've got a much better grasp of how we design our vehicles to have the right tolerances and quality. And then just the lessons that we have learned from these efforts have all been built back, not only into the products, but into our processes so that we have a tremendous amount of confidence now in our ability to take a step back and ensure that what we release, as we have done with our model-year 2017 products, is the best that we possibly can from a safety and quality perspective.

  • Craig Kennison - Analyst

  • And as a follow-up. What has the impact been on dealer profitability from the recall and what can you do to kind of regain their confidence?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Dealer profitability is one that it?s much broader than just the recall. Tim and Matt and the whole teams were working through that. Obviously it's a lot easier when our volume is growing like it was for so many years and now we?ve got to revisit how we manage that. We are doing that. Specifically as it relates to the recall, we try to make sure that our dealers are fully reimbursed for any costs that they incur.

  • Tim Larson and the team have done a really good job of working with them to make sure we've gone back and raised the reimbursement rate when we have needed to. As I said, we have augmented our field service teams to help some of that dealers that have the higher backlog. We are working with them.

  • I think the general feedback as we have gone into the Turbo has been positive, as we reflected the learnings from the 900/1000. Obviously, it's not ideal because it's detracting our dealers away from selling but it's important for our customers and important for our business and we believe that overall -- and some of our dealers actually do well with it. As they get customers in they can provide other services for them.

  • All-in-all, net-net, I think the team has done a good job working through it but we will be thankful when our customers all have their vehicles repaired and we can move beyond this.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • And, Craig, what I would add to what Scott just indicated is one, look at the dealer inventory levels. We're trying to make sure we are taking the pressure off the dealers so that the interest costs that they pay from a flooring standpoint is minimized. We also are picking up the interest costs when we have had recalls so that they are not having to bear that for a period of time.

  • And then, one of the other things that we have done is we've deployed just about 100 of our employees out to help in concentrated areas. The dealers are still getting compensated for that but essentially they are getting extra hands and legs to help get the repairs done and that's obviously been received very positively.

  • It's kind of an all-out effort to make sure we are helping them execute and protect them financially.

  • Operator

  • Jaime Katz, Morningstar.

  • Jaime Katz - Analyst

  • My first question is on Motorcycle gross margins. I am curious how you guys are thinking about the near-term and long-term outlook for gross margins in the Motorcycle segment? I think the improvement was a little bit lighter this quarter than the past few quarters but I think as that business scales up it still seems like there's a lot of room for upside over the longer term.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes, Jaime, our Motorcycle margin was heavily impacted by the Slingshot safety and service bulletins. If you adjusted for the amount of money that we essentially provided for in the third quarter you would have seen our gross margins improving north of 16%.

  • I think the line is that we have continued to see progress outside of this one-time issue that we are contending with. And we expect to continue to have our Motorcycle profitability increase. It's one of our long-term objectives and the team is making good progress on it.

  • Jaime Katz - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I think right around this time last year was when we saw the oil and ag areas really start to pressure interest in the products for you guys. So I am curious how you guys are anticipating that to pan out in the fourth quarter, whether you think that it's still declining but at less of a cadence, or less of a magnitude, or do you feel, generally, like we might see that leveling out over the next quarter and going forward?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • You know it's a tough one. As we indicated in the last call, the second quarter, the oil states were down north of 20%. They improved slightly in Q3.

  • They were still down mid-teens. We're now getting up against the fourth quarter of last year when they were down 17%. Given what we have seen, we don't have anything that tells us things are getting significantly better. Certainly our recall and lack of shipments in these regions has clouded this visibility just a bit. But the intel that we're getting from our dealer network is that the oil recession and the lack of economic activity in these key states is still persistent.

  • Ag has weakened even further. It was down mid-single digits in the third quarter. Given where crop prices are and just the general state of the farming community, we anticipate that's probably going to continue.

  • That's really what led us to say the comments around 2017 as we really haven't seen anything that tells us the trends in these areas going to improve. I suspect that they will probably worsen at a much slower rate but they will probably continue to be headwinds as we get into 2017.

  • Operator

  • Drew Lipke, Stephens, Inc.

  • Drew Lipke - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys; thank you for taking the time. The question I had was just on capital allocation and tied to your 2017 initial thoughts. You call out the third straight year of a challenging ORV environment, then we have the Transamerican acquisition where you're building out this new platform.

  • And so when you weigh your capital allocation plans for 2017, how should we think about growth CapEx compared to additional acquisitions for this Aftermarket portfolio? And then as a follow on to that, are there any other adjacent platform opportunities out there?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes, maybe I'll talk a little bit more from a financial standpoint and then Scott can weigh in on additional M&A opportunity. I think the way we are thinking about it is, we're going to have our plateful next year with a TAP integration. I think smaller acquisitions, were they to come along, I don't think that's going to be difficult for us to handle, but we are obviously going to stay true to some of the parameters we put out.

  • We're not looking to buy fixer uppers or anything that's going to require manufacturing or engineering organizations to dedicate a significant amount of time just given the work we are doing on the quality and safety side. I think it's fair to assume that share repurchase is still obviously on the table. As we indicated with the TAP acquisition, even though we were deploying a fair amount of capital into that deal, we were also, as we just indicated, still looking to do about 1 million shares here in the fourth quarter, which is a pretty substantial outlay. And at the current trading prices, we view this as an attractive investment and we'll obviously continue to the keep the gas on from that standpoint.

  • I think as it relates to capital expenditures, I do think the plant costs are going to come down. We've spent the last couple of years investing a fair amount of money in Huntsville and Spirit Lake. We do think that?s going to abate a bit, but I do anticipate we are obviously going to have some incremental CapEx that goes towards growth investments, which is in line with the increase that we have seen in engineering and we will provide more color and commentary.

  • But as Scott's indicated in the past, the big plant-building investments that we have made are probably not something we are going to be looking at doing here in the next few years.

  • Drew Lipke - Analyst

  • All right. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Joe Altobello, Raymond James.

  • Joe Altobello - Analyst

  • Thanks. Good morning. First question, I wanted to start on the fourth-quarter and the guide -- or at least is the implied guide for the Off-Road Vehicle segment, in terms of positive retail. I am curious what's going to drive that because it sounds like, Mike, in your comments earlier you mentioned that you don't see much in the way of an improvement in the oil and ag markets, so I'm just curious why we should see that increase in retail in the fourth quarter?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes, I think some of it is a sequential improvement just given we were out of the market for a good two months on some of our key products. When you look at it on a unit basis, it's not a substantial uptick and you are comparing against the last year where we saw things worsen pretty dramatically and that's become somewhat of the new norm that we are dealing with within the current context.

  • I do think that the fact that we have some pretty impressive new products out on the market, or coming out on the market shortly, is going to be a big driver even in a market that's a bit challenged.

  • Joe Altobello - Analyst

  • Okay. So it sounds like you guys being out of the market for a while will help a little bit from a demand standpoint?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes.

  • Joe Altobello - Analyst

  • So switching gears a little bit to 2017, I know you guys aren't giving guidance today but, as we think about 2017, if you start off with the $3.50, call it, this year at the midpoint of your guide, you get back $1.20 next year and you add $0.25 to $0.30 from TAP, you're at around a $5 number. I'm curious off of that $5 number, do you think that the cost savings next year that you guys have planned will offset or fully offset the increased promo and R&D, or not necessarily?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • We are not going to get into a math exercise on 2017 at this point. I will tell you, one of the things that we didn't highlight as much as we could, or should have, is the significant progress that Ken Pucel and his team are making on this VIP program. The year-over-year savings increase in 2016 has been significant.

  • It's just been consumed by our recall-related costs. As we roll into 2017, they're going to have additional projects and additional opportunities to drive more savings.

  • But to look at what's going to be -- actually hit the bottom line as we offset the additional engineering cost that Mike referred to in the difficult environment, that's just not an exercise we are going to get into today. But it certainly is fair to say that the work that Ken and the team have done this year with VIP and will do next year will be helpful for the business.

  • Operator

  • Seth Woolf, Northcoast Research.

  • Seth Woolf - Analyst

  • Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Scott, I think in the slide deck you referenced that the RZR recall was still disruptive to retail sales in 3Q. I was wondering if you could provide a little bit of context as to how disruptive it was especially relative to 2Q when you had the big retail going on?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • I think -- not I think -- the word that I used to drop the RZR impact in Q3 was, precipitously dropped. The July and August decreases were hard to look at and it really had two factors.

  • One is that there was just not products available for sale and we had a stop ride, stop sale on Turbo for almost the entire month of August and part of September. So it was dramatic.

  • I am proud of how the team handled it and fought through and ultimately drove the recovery that we saw in September. But it was a very, very significant impact for our business and our dealers.

  • Seth Woolf - Analyst

  • Okay. Sounds like is more significant; thank you. And then, Mike, this might be for you. Just a bit of a clarification. I thought I heard you comment that the level of promotional activity that we have seen the last couple quarters to support the brand and compete in the current market, very choppy. You would expect this to be a multi-quarter phenomenon. Did I hear that correctly?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes, yes. We stepped up the promotion level and, if you look at our average selling prices that we have on each of the charts with the Off-Road Vehicle business, you can see our ASPs are down 8%. That gives you a pretty good context of the significant amount of promotional activity.

  • I think in light of what we have seen and what we anticipate will continue, we do think it's probably going to continue at least into the first half and at that point we would start to lap some of the activity we have done this year. We just want to make sure people were thinking that through as they think about margins and overall revenue performance headed into next year.

  • Operator

  • Joe Spak, RBC Capital Markets.

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Hi, Joe.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. The first one is on dealers.

  • One of the things we've heard consistently over the past year is -- in checks -- is some complaining about the profitability of selling Polaris product versus some competitive product and my guess is that the recalls probably haven't helped their attitude. I just wanted to hear what your plans are to improve your standing with some of the multi-line dealers?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Joe, I think it's fair to say that we take our relationship with our dealers extremely seriously. You have heard -- we talked about it earlier today that, that's an area of focus for us. But let's be clear. There are a number of our competitors that are accepting extremely low margins to buy their way into our dealerships and we are not going to compete at that level.

  • As you know, for the longest time Polaris made up for dealer profitability with our significant volume increase and you tack on PG&A, it's a pretty good recipe. That is not what we're going to be able to do going forward so we're going to have to look to other elements for it. I've got tremendous confidence in the way that Tim Larson and Matt Homan and their teams are looking at how we do this. But it relates, obviously, to improving our quality so that they have less issues with our customers, making the PG&A stocking, which we have already done, less burdensome for them and ultimately helping with the attachment rates going forward.

  • What we have done with dealer inventory, I mean I'd put ourselves, at this point, against anyone in the industry and as we drive RFM next year and get to a much shorter lead time and ultimately a position where we can probably get to a make-to-order business model, that's going to be a tremendous benefactor to them on lower carrying costs, as well as higher attachment rates as the customers get the exact vehicle they want.

  • So it's a multi-pronged approach. I don't think there's anything that's not on the table except a pocket shift from us to them to get lower profitability like our competitors.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Thanks. That's very helpful. And the second one, and this is a little bit of a difficult question to answer, I admit. In ORV, you guys are so big. You're such a meaningful part of the industry that when you are down the numbers you talked about, the industry's going to be down. But if you look at the industry ex-Polaris, it actually looks like maybe it was up mid-single digits?

  • Do you view that as any bit of an encouraging sign, based on what you're seeing out there from the consumer, or do you believe that if you didn't have these issues with the recall the industry still would have been down and the share landscape would've just looked a little bit different?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • When you say industry, are you talking ORV or are you talking Side-By-Sides?

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Yes, sorry. Let's make it broader, ORV.

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • If it's ORV, I doubt it was up much, without.

  • Joe Spak - Analyst

  • Okay, then on Side-By-Sides.

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Side-By-Sides was probably up slightly. And we always, always want a better market. When you are the leading share player, even when you are losing share temporarily, you still want a good market. Obviously, that has not been the case for much of the year.

  • We are not projecting it to be a great market going forward, so we are positioning ourselves, as we talked about, to get back to a stabilization on share so that we don't contribute any longer to the down market aspects of it. So I will tell you that as we looked at the Side-By-Side market, really there's only a couple of players that are doing well. I don't know that it's necessarily the players that you think.

  • Part of the reason we have confidence in Matt and the team going into the fourth-quarter is how we have looked at the competitive landscape and where our new model-year 2017 line up puts us, as well as product availability. It's a dynamic market for sure but we want the industry to be good.

  • Operator

  • Gerrick Johnson, BMO Capital Markets.

  • Gerrick Johnson - Analyst

  • Good morning. Motorcycle PG&A was down 10%. Why would that be down if retail was up and you've got a much bigger installed base year-over-year?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Part of it is, is that's our PG&A shipments into the channel. And so we have obviously modified our -- as we indicated in the past -- our process for how we ship into our dealers. Again, this is aimed at helping them from an inventory standpoint, more frequent ordering, lower quantities. It's also somewhat driven by the mix shift that we have seen. As Scott indicated, we are selling disproportionately more of the smaller bikes, like the Scout, Scout Sixty and the Octane and those typically carry less PG&A along with them. Those are going to be the big overall drivers.

  • Gerrick Johnson - Analyst

  • Okay. Got it. And following up on Craig's question. Short-term fix for these recalls has been to install a heat shield behind the rear fender there, but longer term what's the root cause of this problem? What's the long-term fix? Is it a complete redesign of these vehicles?

  • And then also in the case of the 900s and 1000s, why did these problems arise last year and into this year and not three or four years ago?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Well, there's a whole bunch in there. When you talk about heat shield, the heat shield is just one of the elements that we've corrected on the RZR. There's reflashes, there is a fairly complex list of corrective actions that we have taken.

  • Obviously, I can't stress -- and I will use this public speaking opportunity to talk about it -- the importance of heat shields and any of our consumers that have that vehicles to make sure that they are on because they are an important part of our thermal safety of our vehicles. But what we have done is gone through an extensive -- and I mean extensive -- effort to understand any thermal risks on our RZRs and other vehicles.

  • Part of the issue, the reason that we didn't see it in 2013 and 2014 is that we didn't have the processes and tools to get the information from the field as quickly as we could and manage the information flow and, ultimately, it took us a while to recognize the trend and, ultimately these are very complex issues. We have had some of the best engineering experts in the industry, including the automotive industry, to help us review these situations. And in some cases it would take us many months to ultimately define the root cause. And we went as aggressively as we could once we understood the risks and it just took us a while to figure it out.

  • As I said in my remarks, we have embodied all of that knowledge now into both our processes and our products going forward and we feel extremely confident in our ability to manage this thing, the thermal risk of our vehicles going forward.

  • Operator

  • Jimmy Baker, B. Riley & Company.

  • Jimmy Baker - Analyst

  • Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, just big picture. I'm interested in why you think the Motorcycle industry has deteriorated so much more significantly than the ORV industry.

  • Do you expect that gap to persist in 2017 in the context of a flat-to-down power sports industry? And then maybe within that, given the pressure from oil, gas and ag, can you just talk about the offsetting strengths that must be pretty meaningful to keep the ORV industry at these levels?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • I think from a -- maybe taking the Motorcycle piece first. Our expectations coming out of the last quarter was for the industry be down low-single digits. The industry has weakened. I think you've heard that from one of our major competitors.

  • We are now anticipating the industry probably will be down mid-single digits. Our performance is still significantly better than that just given the focus and attention and the progress we are making with Indian. It's tough for us to say. I think the oil and ag weight that we are seeing, that's impacting our Off-Road Vehicle business is obviously impacting our Motorcycle business.

  • These are significant cash outlays and a lot of the same states are driving as significant a reduction and, as we indicated in our prepared remarks, we don't anticipate that to get significantly better. I think the play that we have that's proving to be very successful is, with the introduction of Scout, Scout Sixty and Octane, we are attracting a slightly different demographic and that's giving us some opportunity as the age demographic is starting to cause some of the declines in the motorcycle market. That's giving us an opportunity to outperform and we don't anticipate that changing as we move forward.

  • Jimmy Baker - Analyst

  • Okay. Understood. And then just as a follow up, the change in ORV ASPs. Can you speak to the underlying drivers there?

  • I assume promotions and like-for-like price degradation is a factor, but just wondering how much of that was mix. If RZR was particularly weak in July and August and any color about ASPs going forward in light of the ongoing promotional activity and so forth?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Yes, so if you looked at us through the first half, ASPs were down about 3%. It gives you some context around the significant shift.

  • I'd say the majority of it is directly related to what we're doing from a promotional standpoint as opposed to anything dramatic from a mix perspective. And then I would just reference back to the comments we made that we think the promotional levels are going to remain consistent at the second half of 2016 as we head into 2017.

  • Operator

  • Greg Badishkanian, Citigroup.

  • Gregory Badishkanian - Analyst

  • When you look at the major segments, ATV, Side-By-Sides, Motorcycle, Snowmobiles, just from a purely industry perspective, which segments would you expect to see a major difference in trend when you look at 2017, or you are expecting in 2017, versus what we saw in 2016?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Is it going to snow are not? (Laughter) Actually, we do believe it's going to be a slightly better snow year and Chris and the team are on top of that from a product perspective. I think probably the Side-By-Side space is going to continue to be the best space in the market as that just becomes the preferred choice of so many people and that's where a lot of the innovation is being driven. Obviously, where we are driving innovation and have a big market share, we want that to be the fastest growing part of the market.

  • Gregory Badishkanian - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Mark Smith, Feltl and Company.

  • Mark Smith - Analyst

  • First, Mark -- Sorry, Mike. I think you talked a little bit about -- (Laughter)

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • That's your name.

  • Mark Smith - Analyst

  • That is -- $850 million pro forma number for the Aftermarket segment. Could you just walk us a little bit through that number?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes, so essentially as we've indicated, and we're obviously talking 2016, TAP adds just over $740 million worth of revenue and our existing Aftermarket portfolio is right around -- just over $90 million and that Aftermarket portfolio, as we indicated, is KLIM, Kolpin, 509, Trail Tech.

  • Mark Smith - Analyst

  • And that's a full-year number for 2016?

  • Mike Speetzen - CFO

  • Yes. Yes. And we'll -- as we provide our guidance, as I indicated, when we provide our guidance for next year, we will obviously provide historical context so that you guys can update your models.

  • Mark Smith - Analyst

  • Perfect. And then secondly, Scott, you just talked a little bit about the snow business and maybe an outlook for a better snow year. Any reason that we had a delay in shipments here from Q3 into Q4 and any additional insight into the snow business?

  • Scott Wine - Chairman & CEO

  • Mostly related to SnowCheck, Mark. We have year-over-year, sometimes we'll have more SnowCheck and we will ship them early and sometimes we don't. I think that was just strictly a timing issue there.

  • Obviously, we don't worry much about snow until November and, actually, late October, November then it starts to matter. But until then these small shifts based on year-over-year SnowChecks don't worry us much.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions in queue at this time. I turn the conference back over to our presenters.

  • Richard Edwards - Director of IR

  • Thanks, Tiffany; and thanks, everyone, for participating in this morning's call. We look forward to speaking with you again at the end of the year. Thanks again. Goodbye.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.