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Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the PCTEL first quarter 2012 conference call.
(Operator Instructions)
As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded for replay purposes.
I will now turn the call over to John Schoen, Chief Financial Officer.
John Schoen - CFO
Thank you for joining us today, April 26, 2012, for the PCTEL financial results conference call for the first quarter 2012. On today's call will be Marty Singer, Chairman and CEO, and I am John Schoen, the Chief Financial Officer.
First let me read the Safe Harbor statement. I would like -- today's call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Comments concerning our future financial performance, new products and product development, and expectations regarding the future growth of our wireless RF business are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor. Actual results may differ materially from those projected as a result of risks and uncertainties, including the ability to successfully grow our wireless products business, implement new technologies and obtain protection for the related IP. Additional discussion of these and other factors affecting the Company's business and prospects is contained in our periodic SEC filings. These statements are made only as of today, and we disclaim any obligation to update information to reflect subsequent events.
I would now like to turn the conference call over to Marty Singer.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thank you, John, and good afternoon to all of you.
For those of you who have not had a chance to read our press release, I'd like to recap some of the non-GAAP highlights from the quarter. We achieved revenue of $17.2 million, a decrease of 6% over first quarter of 2011. Gross profit margin was 42%. Operating loss was 1%. Our net income was $105,000, or $0.01 per diluted share. Cash and investments were $67.9 million.
Now I'd like to turn the call back over to John Schoen, who will discuss our financial performance in some detail. Later I will comment on some of our business development, engineering and marketing efforts over the past quarter, as well as some of our current activities.
John?
John Schoen - CFO
Thank you Marty.
Our investors will note that the Company presents non-GAAP financial information in its earnings releases. The company believes that presentation of gross profit, operating profit and net income, excluding restructuring charges, noncash-based expense, including stock and stock option-based compensation, amortization and impairment of intangible assets and goodwill related to the Company's acquisitions, gains or losses on the sale of product line and related notes receivable, and noncash-based income tax expense provide meaningful supplemental information to both management and investors.
The non-GAAP financial analysis reflects the Company's core results and facilitates comparisons across reporting periods. For more information on our non-GAAP financial results and reconciliation to GAAP measures, please refer to our earnings release that has been filed under Form 8-K with the SEC. The release can also be found on our website at PCTEL.com under Investor Relations. My discussion of results will be based on our non-GAAP financial results.
So, let's turn to revenue. First quarter 2012 revenue was $17.2 million, a decrease of 6% from the same period last year. Carrier spending delays resulted in lower revenue compared to the same period last year. Antenna revenues were slightly higher than the same period last year, even though the first quarter last year included our initial deployment of the Company's high-rejection GPS antenna product.
With regards to gross margin, non-GAAP gross profit margin for the first quarter was 42%, as compared to 45% in the same period last year. The change reflects the decrease in revenue mix of the Company's scanning products, with their higher margins relative to antenna products.
Now, let's turn to non-GAAP operating expenses, which were $7.4 million in the quarter, a decrease of approximately $100,000 from the same period last year. The decrease from first quarter last year reflects lower variable compensation expense on lower revenue and operating results, partially offset by an increase in the expense portion of our ERP implementation costs, which we record in G&A expense.
Non-GAAP operating loss in the first quarter was $120,000, or negative 1% of revenue, compared to operating income of $794,000, or 4% of revenue, in the same period last year. The change is a result of lower gross profit on lower revenue, partially offset by lower operating costs.
Non-GAAP other income was $34,000 in the first quarter. As the amounts are largely interest on our investments, the number will continue to be small in the current interest rate environment.
The non-GAAP income tax rate in the quarter was 18%, unchanged from last year.
Non-GAAP net income for the quarter was $0.01 per share, compared to $0.05 per share in the same period last year. The decrease is attributed to lower operating profit on lower revenue.
Now, let's turn to the balance sheet. Cash and investments ended the current quarter at approximately $68 million, about $900,000 lower than the previous quarter. Approximately $3 million is classified as long-term investment securities, with maturities ranging between 13 and 24 months.
In the quarter, the Company generated $39,000 of cash from operations, as compared to using $1.3 million in the same period last year. The Company is historically a net user of cash in the first quarter of each year, as that period includes the payment of annual accruals from the previous year as well as the withholding tax on the annual vesting of employee restricted stock for the current year. This year those expenditures were offset by reductions in working capital, primarily in inventory and accounts receivable, as a result of lower revenue in the quarter.
Capital expenditures in the quarter were $696,000, which is within our long-term historical spending pattern of 3% to 4% of revenue. The Company paid a regular cash dividend in the quarter of $545,000, or $0.03 per common share. For those of you that track EBITDA, our depreciation in the quarter was $586,000.
Now, I would like to discuss guidance for the second quarter 2012. We anticipate second quarter revenue to be in a range of $19.5 million to $21.5 million, about 7% higher than the second quarter 2011, at the midpoint of guidance. The revenue guidance anticipates a recovery in carrier spending for the company's scanning receiver products. Gross profit is expected to be in a range of 46% to 47%.
Non-GAAP R&D and SG&A in the second quarter are expected to be about $7.2 million, about $200,000 less than the quarter just ended. The first quarter of each year includes higher payroll taxes related to the payment of the previous year's annual bonuses as well as the current year vesting of restricted shares.
Other income is expected to be about $25,000 in the second quarter.
The elimination of non-controlling interest in PCTEL Secure is expected to be about $150,000.
The non-GAAP effective income tax rate is expected to remain unchanged going forward at 18%.
The fully diluted share count in the second quarter is expected to be about 17.8 million shares.
That concludes the financial review. I'd like to turn the call over to Marty for his summary comments.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thank you, John.
Despite the disappointing first quarter revenue numbers, we see strong indicators that scanning receiver sales will rebound in the second and third quarters and will remain robust throughout the year. That confidence, coupled with the continued strength of our antenna business and the release of the PCTEL Secure ProsettaCore Software Developer Kit, supports our revenue guidance of $85 million for 2012. As John has already mentioned, we believe that our second quarter will be much stronger and that we will generate between $19.5 million and $21.5 million in revenue.
I would like to spend some time this afternoon reviewing our marketing and sales progress and our success in delivering new products into our markets. This is particularly true for our scanning receiver business. In the first quarter, indeed at the Mobile World Congress, we launched our new SeeGull CX platform that targets price-sensitive markets with a set of capabilities currently not available in the market. The CX configuration focuses on WCDMA/GSM and TD-SCDMA markets worldwide. It competes directly with the Anite FSR1 scanning receiver.
In addition, we now offer an EX+, which provides our customer base with an upgrade path from their current EX scanning receivers. The EX+ supports up to six frequency bands and protects our customers' investments in our EX scanning receiver as they migrate to LTE. We have high expectations for our OEM resellers to benefit from both of these new products.
We have been active in marketing our scanning receivers, and our direct strategy with carriers should result in strong demand for our products once their budgets are fully released and allocated. We were successful in adding two new OEMS in China and renewed five OEM agreements. We are in the process of establishing our first Taiwan-based reseller, which is consistent with our focus on this rapidly growing wireless region. We also added a new OEM reseller of our scanning receiver in Spain.
When we acquired Envision Wireless last October, we mentioned that we thought there were strong synergies between their engineering service offerings and our in-building antenna initiatives and our scanning receiver business. We are pleased to report that our scanning receiver sales organization has proved itself to be highly effective in promoting our new engineering services. In the first quarter alone we introduced our Network Engineering Services team and products to 22 potential US-based customers. Again, we believe that it will take another one to two quarters to demonstrate the results of these business development efforts.
We have mentioned our RF ancillary initiative at investment conferences and on earlier quarterly earnings calls. Specifically, we pointed out that an increasing percentage of our antenna sales are actually sales of products or components which are related to or bundled with antennas. During the first quarter, we received our first volume orders for cable assemblies for an important railroad communication project, and we signed an OEM agreement to procure surge arrestors. We intend on becoming increasingly active in RF ancillary and bundled or kitted solutions.
We continue to make progress in several of our key vertical markets. During the first quarter, we delivered Smart Grid antennas to Cisco, expanded our line of stadium and train-control antennas, and received an important order from a defense systems integrator for ManPack antennas. Our new patent for vandal-proof mounts will be crucial to our efforts to expand our public safety, mobile and kiosk-based antenna business.
A year ago we introduced our high-rejection GPS antenna for timing applications in cellular. We had a very strong start to our HR GPS business early last year, but it slowed in the second half of 2011. During the first quarter we saw a resurgence of orders for the HR GPS antenna, and we anticipate a strong year in that product area.
Later this quarter, we will be releasing a new wideband antenna for public safety, railroad and defense applications that replaces 16 of our narrowband models with a single SKU. Although large, the antenna design allows for easy disassembly and shipment in a compact package that is field-assembly friendly.
PCTEL Secure continues to make progress. We have had a number of inquiries and discussions from defense-related customers. Indeed, we are anticipating our first orders in the second quarter. We are making good progress reviewing and testing the software development kit code. We plan on delivering the SDK beta release next week to select semiconductor, government and defense systems integrators.
The SDK allows Android developers to incorporate ProsettaCore and other PCTEL Secure technologies into their devices. The solution is based on the patent-pending ProsettaCore technology, addresses the needs of the federal smartphone and tablet user to deploy mission and theatre-specific security policies to commercial mobile devices. This also applies to tactical radios and other specialized equipment. Enterprise users can also benefit from the multiple, distinct policies which allow deeper, more robust separation between personal use and business use than is possible with conventional solutions.
I would like to mention that we are extremely active at various industry trade shows and conferences this year. We recently exhibited at the Healthcare Info and Management Systems Society, IWCE and The Aruba Partner Summit, all held in Las Vegas. In the second quarter we already exhibited at the LTE Latin American Conference held last week in Rio de Janeiro and will exhibit at ENTELEC in Houston, the Railroad Systems Supplier show in Cincinnati, RSSI, and The LTE World Summit in Barcelona. We'll be presenting, as well, at the DAS Congress in Las Vegas, CommunicAsia in Singapore and Cisco Live in San Diego between now and June. PCTEL was also selected to participate in expert panel discussions for both LTE Conferences and will present at the DAS Congress in May.
During the next several weeks I should have the opportunity to speak with many of our shareholders and the analysts who write about PCTEL. I am pleased to be presenting at the Baird Conference on May 8 in Chicago, the Jefferies conference on May 9 in New York, and the B. Riley conference on May 22 to 23 in Los Angeles. At that time, I will provide updates to our progress with PCTEL Secure, our growth activities and efforts to expand our vertical and regional markets with our antenna and scanning receiver products.
Thank you for your time this afternoon or early evening, and with that we are prepared to take questions. We have set aside 30 minutes for a general Q&A session.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Your first question comes from the line of Matt Robison, with Wunderlich.
Matt Robison - Analyst
Hey. Hi, guys.
Unidentified Company Representative
Hi, Matt.
Matt Robison - Analyst
So, Marty, what are the reasons why this is only a one-quarter problem with the scanners? I heard you say you had two new OEMs. I know some of your OEMs over in Europe seem to think that the delays amongst European operators in putting up the LTE are going to last for a while because they're trying to extract more out of their HSPA networks. Is there a share gain here with these two new OEMs that helps you get through in one quarter? Or help us with that.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
That's a good question. I think the European situation is real, but I will point out that 95% of the miss that we experienced in Q1 is related to two large operators in the United States. So, while those delays in Europe and the general recession in Europe cause broad concern, those macro trends or regional issues are more than offset by the growth that we anticipate and are seeing in China and Latin America. For every dollar we are losing in Europe, those will be offset by the gains that we experience in two other regions.
Make no mistake about it, Matt, you had a breakup of a proposed merger that took $4 billion out of the pocket of one carrier and caused the other carrier simply to delay structuring their entire budget. And there are just enormous problems that have been associated with those events and a delay in the allocation of capital and OpEx budget.
Matt Robison - Analyst
So, have you seen these guys come back already?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
We have seen some of it come back already. There's no question we'll have a stronger quarter in the second quarter. But we think it will take two quarters to fully recover from the miss that we had in the first quarter.
Matt Robison - Analyst
But you're still talking about this big sequential increase in revenue, and so is the antennas making up for it some in the current quarter?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
The antenna business is doing great, and we also are going to get some reasonable revenues from our new network engineering services organization, and we plan on posting some revenues, believe it or not, from PCTEL Secure in the second quarter.
Matt Robison - Analyst
Oh, okay. And so presumably those will be pretty good margin.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Yes, those will be nice margins, but it'll be still relatively small, as we are just launching the SDK.
Matt Robison - Analyst
Just SDK purchases for development and not yet licensing, is that the way to look at it?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Correct. That's exactly right.
Matt Robison - Analyst
And so with the high-rejection GPS, what's the application now that we've got issues with the original user of that spectrum that was the problem?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Well, you know, there are lots of timing applications that the high-rejection GPS is associated with. And what we're finding is that there's a general demand for high-rejection GPS simply as an insurance policy. If you're going to have a cellular system butting up any sort of area with a high density of GPS antennas, you'll opt for a high-rejection antenna simply to protect against future engineering costs or future troubleshooting costs. So, we're seeing nice gains.
The other thing that has happened for us, and I can't give you them by name, but we've picked up another infrastructure vendor who's incorporating the high-rejection GPS antenna into their base station deployments.
Matt Robison - Analyst
Okay, one more question and I'll get off. I was a little bit surprised to see that sequential uptick in G&A.
John Schoen - CFO
Yes, Matt, this is John. Unfortunately, we're in the phase of the ERP implementation where the expense portion is higher because of the -- we're doing data conversion, and under GAAP you can't capitalize that. So we actually had about $350,000 in G&A this quarter in ERP costs, and that's largely responsible for the sequential decrease, and then by Q3 it'll be out of the run rate.
Matt Robison - Analyst
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thank you, Matt.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Sigala, with B. Riley & Co.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Yes, hi, thanks for taking my questions.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Hi, Chris. How are you?
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Good. How are you guys?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Good.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Just wanted to drill down a little bit on the verticals, and kind of curious. Maybe you can talk a little bit about where you're seeing the most growth in your antenna business by vertical. Is it -- obviously high-rejection GPS sounds like it's doing pretty well, but maybe you can kind of rank those for us and give us a better understanding of what's growing now and what you expect to grow going forward.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Sure. The strongest area for us is the broadest area, and that is SCADA, or broadly industrial wireless supervisory control and data analysis. So, if you include in there the management of utilities, if you include in there water/wastewater management, if you include in their oil and gas, SCADA is doing quite well for us, in part because we have such a strong yagi product line that has some unique characteristics, and also because we've been able to bundle our solutions with other providers. So, SCADA would be number one.
Related to GPS is fleet management, where we're selling multiband GPS antennas that incorporate WiFi and other technologies so that not only are you helping with navigation and tracking but you're also able to transmit data once you get into an appropriate area.
A third area that has turned out to be pretty strong for us is health and information management. So, we actually have one of these on display where you look at mobile pharmacy cards, you look at the wireless system within hospitals, you look at tracking of expensive assets within hospitals as well as communication. That's doing very well for us.
And then, finally, defense is doing reasonably well for us. And you can't associate that with a specific antenna but rather with groups of antennas -- GPS, mesh, flat panel, the ManPack and so on. So, we continue to advance our interest in defense-related applications.
I will say disappointing for us is that public safety continues to be a tremendous drag. I think if you look at Motorola, they just announced, and their dominant growth is from mission-critical applications within enterprises and not within public safety. So, as the state and local budgets for public safety continue to be squeezed we do not see a return to growth in that segment any time soon.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Okay. Well, that's actually a great segue into my second question. You wouldn't expect growth any time soon, but when you consider those comments up against some of the recent developments with the release of the D Block and some comments coming out from Washington that that could accelerate the build-out for a nationwide interoperable network, how would you look at that as an opportunity for PCTEL, and --
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
It would be a terrific opportunity, and we think that that is going to happen. Really, the question, Chris, is one of funding. If this is a national network and it's associated with federal funding I think that the opportunities for us are terrific. Our antennas are tailor-made for this type of application. At the state and local level, however, public safety is going to continue to be a challenge.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Okay. All right. And then I also wanted to ask you about any activity you guys are seeing now with the Positive Train Control. It sounds like you have a new product coming out designated for rail.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Yes.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
So, are you working on that project now, and --
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
We are working on it now. We actually have a company that is bundling our products for BNSF, and we have had some direct shipments to BNSF, but there are other railroad projects in addition to that, and we believe that railroad is going to be a -- whether it's Positive Train Control or for general purpose communication, we believe that railroad is going to be a strong vertical for us over the next few years.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Would you characterize sort of the state we're in now with PTC as sort of a development phase and then the anticipation is that we'll move into more of a full production phase maybe later in the year? Is there any color you can --
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
I think that's fair, although we are seeing shipments now. But I would describe it as a beta test phase rather than a development phase, with full commercial release later in the year.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Okay, great. And then, just finally, how should we think of seasonality through the rest of the year, and would you attribute any seasonality to the weakness you saw this quarter in scanner receivers?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
You know, I will tell you that for one of our major OEMs first quarter has been historically weak and third quarter has been historically weak, because three of our resellers are European, and there's a lot of vacation time during that period. This year, however, if I had to make a prediction, I think we're going to go sequentially up every quarter in scanning receivers. Second quarter will be stronger than first, third stronger than second, and I think we'll be very strong in fourth.
In antennas, I think it'll be more gradual. I think the second half is always a little stronger for us than the first half. But we're going to have a nice second quarter here. We have lots of visibility into the next six months, and so I expect the same sort of thing that will go sequentially up in antennas, but it won't be nearly as dramatic as it will be with scanning receivers.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Okay, thanks. That'll do it for me.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
By the way, Chris, I think one positive outcome of scanning receivers growing more rapidly or changing more rapidly from quarter to quarter to quarter is some acceleration in a positive momentum for our gross margin.
Chris Sigala - Analyst
Great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
(Operator Instructions)
Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Flis, with Robert W. Baird.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
Marty and John, thanks for taking the call.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Sure.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
Just going to your CX, new CX scanner in China, I know Huawei in the past has been, or in 2011 grew really strongly, and it's difficult to determine exactly how much product or revenues come out of each geography, but maybe just give us kind of a flavor for how China and the whole Asia-Pac region grew this year versus last year at about the same time.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
China was our fastest growing market this year, but you can't really do much with that information because we had such disappointing results with two of our primary carriers here in the US. So a little bit of that is artifactual. I will tell you that of our four major OEMs, Huawei a few years ago was fifth or sixth, and now it's third. So, it is climbing.
And what's really important about Huawei to us is that just as with our other infrastructure vendors it takes us into different regions. And I was -- I didn't mention this earlier, but I was in South America all last week, which meant I spent almost all of my time in Brazil and a little bit of my time in Argentina, those markets are so dominant in wireless. And I talked to several people who do engineering services, and it was actually shocking to me. Every once in a while you come across a set of data that's really surprising, and this was a surprising piece of data. It's Ericsson or Huawei number one or two in every major country in Latin America. You know, you think about the traditional guys, Nokia Siemens, Alcatel-Lucent, long time ago Motorola, and what is absolutely astonishing is the strength of Huawei globally and how rapidly that's changed.
So I was looking -- I was representing our scanning receivers to one of these companies that does engineering services work on behalf of the infrastructure providers for carriers, whether it's benchmarking or redesign or any number of activities. And in their data they show the rising importance of Huawei as a direct customer, because they've established such a strong business. So, when we talk about Huawei, one of the points I would make, Andrew, is that we're not simply talking about China. We're talking about what that OEM reseller can do for us on a global basis.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. And then maybe just a housekeeping question.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
This means it's for John and not for me?
Andrew Flis - Analyst
That's correct.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Good.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
The provision benefit for taxes this quarter, can you just walk me through again on a GAAP basis how that works?
John Schoen - CFO
Yes, well, on a GAAP basis the provision looks kind of wacky because of the consolidation accounting for PCTEL Secure, the joint venture.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
Okay, that's what -- yes.
John Schoen - CFO
That's what's making it look like a ridiculous rate.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
Got it. Thank you.
John Schoen - CFO
Yes.
Andrew Flis - Analyst
That's all for me. Thanks, guys.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thanks, Andrew.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Horey, with Aurelian Management.
Brian Horey - Analyst
Hey, Marty.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Hey, Brian.
Brian Horey - Analyst
How you doing?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Good.
Brian Horey - Analyst
I was wondering if you could just give a little color on the DAS market and what you're seeing in the last 90 days or so and what's going on there.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
DAS market is really taking off. We're selling a fair number of antennas into in-building. I don't call it out as a vertical because it fits into other verticals. But even if you look at, and I won't mention these companies by name, even if you look at some of the weaker companies in our industry that sell a broad range of antennas and RF products, the one area that's sort of bright for them will be DAS.
And I will also tell you at Mobile World Congress and also down at this LTE show in Rio, there's so much emphasis on in-building. I think you and I have discussed in the past, Brian, that historically 90% of investment in engineering went into the outdoor cellular network, and today 90% of the use of cellular phones is indoor. And in our own area, the network engineering services group, 95% of their work is doing engineering design for in-building. So, I think the DAS story and the in-building story is going to be an important story for five to 10 years, associated with doing not enclosed but high-density venues like stadiums. And one of the reasons we're so interested in expanding what we do in RF ancillary is we want to be able to provide all of those elements that reach from the radio to the tip of the antenna in in-building applications.
Brian Horey - Analyst
Okay. Makes sense. And then I just wanted to follow up on the PCTEL Secure. Can you give a little color on how many SDKs you think you're going to ship, what's the vertical for the first sale, how do you -- which verticals do you think are going to be the most productive for you from a revenue standpoint (inaudible)?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
First vertical I'm shipping to is a secret vertical in government. Two of the shipments -- there's actually going to be four in total -- two will go to defense systems integrators. And a third is going to be to a semiconductor provider that provides core systems for mobile devices. And these core systems go across a variety. So, we will get early revenue in May, I believe, from the first customer, and then we'll have to see the result of the beta test evaluation for these other three, but, I'll tell you, we're getting a lot of confidence in this area.
Brian Horey - Analyst
Okay. And, I mean, can you make any guesstimates at this point about if you think about your typical government agency, they would have a lot of sensitive information, I mean, is this -- do you think the penetration's going to be dozens of people? Is it hundreds, thousands? I mean, can you just get some sense as to -- give us some sense as to how big you think the deployments are going to be?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
I think when you talk about individual government agency you're talking about thousands. You're not talking about tens or hundreds. You're talking about thousands. But you are not typically talking about 10,000. So, they are relatively small, discrete markets, and you have to make sure that you get enough value in upfront licensing fees and royalties.
For the real home run, which is to get this into a semiconductor company that sells into mobility solution, then you're talking about volume. It'd be a slightly different business model.
Brian Horey - Analyst
Okay. And do you have any export restrictions on this?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Well, we're not aware of any at this time. I mean, it's not on a State Department list of any type. And we have satisfied all of the requirements we need to sell into target government agencies. We've taken great pains, and in fact in the first and second quarter we have some duplicative development costs because of our care in that area.
Brian Horey - Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thanks a lot, Brian.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mike Crawford, with B. Riley.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Hey, Mike, how are you?
Mike Crawford - Analyst
Hi, good. Brian stole my thunder on PCTEL Secure, but I wanted to talk about that. Maybe we could go just a little bit further. So, you have two software development kits going to integrators that are bringing them into an agency and one semiconductor company, and what was the fourth?
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Well, the way I would say it is we've got two that are going into defense systems integrators, one that is going into the government and the fourth is going into semiconductor.
Mike Crawford - Analyst
Okay. And, as far as timing, I mean, when would you expect to see some unit volume for royalties? Is this something where they are going to -- you would expect them to evaluate it for a month and say, "This is great," or this is something that could drag on for a year or two, or --
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
No, no, I would say we'll start to get pretty complete evaluations by the end of the second quarter, and we'll have a pretty good idea of whether we have a meaningful sale or not with this select group. But by that point we'll also have a commercial-grade product. We're getting some benefit out of these beta releases, and we'll expose it to a much broader audience at that time.
Mike Crawford - Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Thanks, Chris -- Mike.
Operator
And there are no further questions at this time.
Marty Singer - Chairman & CEO
Okay. Thank you, and we look forward to speaking with you at the investor conferences that we'll be attending and at our next quarterly earnings call. Thank you.
Operator
And, ladies and gentlemen, with this we conclude today's presentation. We thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.