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  • Operator

  • Welcome to the Opera Limited Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. (Operator Instructions) Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. (Operator Instructions) I would now like to turn the call over to your speaker today, Matt Wolfson, Head of Investor Relations. Please begin.

  • Matthew Wolfson - Head of IR

  • Thanks for joining us. With me today, I have our co-CEO, Song Lin; and our CFO, Frode Jacobsen. Before I hand over the call to Song Lin, I would like to remind everyone that in the conference call today, the company will be making statements about future results and expectations, which constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Such statements are based on current expectations and how we perceive the current economic environment and are inherently subject to economic, competitive and other uncertainties and contingencies beyond the control of management. You should be cautioned that these statements are not guarantees of future performance. You may refer to the safe harbor statement in the company's earnings release for details.

  • Our commentary today will also include non-IFRS financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, which are different from our consolidated financial statements that are prepared and presented based on IFRS. We believe that the use of non-IFRS financial measures provides an additional tool for investors to use in evaluating ongoing operating results and trends. These measures should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for financial information prepared in accordance with IFRS.

  • We've also posted unaudited supplemental information on our Investor Relations website that includes historical financial results of Opera and of our investee, Nanobank. We'll be live tweeting highlights on the call, @InvestorOpera. So please follow along there during the call and in the future.

  • With that, let me turn the conference call over to our co-CEO, Song Lin, who will cover our operational highlights and strategy, and then Frode will finish up with financials and our expectations going forward. Song?

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Sure. Thank you, Matt. And this is Song Lin. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. So I'm pleased to report that Opera once again outperformed, delivering financial results for the quarter that exceeded the high end of both our revenue and EBITDA guidance. So revenue was up 57% year-over-year and represented a continuation of our strong growth trajectory, with 11% sequential growth when comparing with the previous quarters. The quarter also represents an earlier than expected, so that of a margin expansion with a 12% adjusted EBITDA margin well ahead of our breakeven guidance.

  • Looking ahead, we are confident that our strong performance will continue. We remain on track to have a record yield for the company as search and advertising revenues, both set new high watermarks. Revenue growth continues to be driven by advertising and search, generating 98% of our quarterly revenue on a combined basis. And for the first time in Opera history, advertising has surpassed search revenues in terms of mix. So in the third quarter, search revenue grew -- approximately's 45% year-over-year, while advertising was nearly double that rate and 84% growth.

  • Our advertising revenue is accelerating, thanks to new products and features increasing user engagement, a focus on growing high-value users and finally, a rich toolset for advertisers to target and connect with our audiences. We continue to focus on products. And so this is that highlights the browser and how its adjacent services, which we call Browser Plus, have been able to enhance people's online experience.

  • On mobile, we have continued to expand our offerings in Africa. So even though we already have over 140 million monthly active users in Africa, and represents one of the most relevant Internet company in the region, we believe this region possesses great growth potential as there are still 800 million users that are not online.

  • We were pleased to see one of our key partners, Google has announced a $1 billion investment earlier this month, conforming that our optimism is well deserved. Our messaging app, Hype, which we designed in collaboration with local artists in multiple African geographies and a building to the Opera Mini mobile browser is showing strong adoption. We have launched a Hype cloud services, which allow users to participate in conversations about diverse projects such as the football or music. So while Hype is still in its early stages, it more than tripled its registered users during the third quarter.

  • Another good example would be Opera News, which is the #1 news app in Africa and had been launched in several countries in Europe and the U.S., continues to grow in financial significance. Advertising revenue from Opera News and our broader platform offerings now make up almost half of our total advertising revenue following over 200% year-over-year growth.

  • We see tremendous potential in the AI-driven content aggregation space with planned rollout in new forms and new markets around the world. For example, we have leveraged our dominant position in Africa's business markets to launch a specialized Opera Football services using the same AI technology that powers Opera News. So when the English premium League in full swing, we are seeing very high engagement with quarterly active users growing more than 50% from the previous quarters.

  • Moving to PCs. We continue to invest in innovations and to make it more relevant to our users. So one good example is our in-browser shopping solution Dify, and after first launching in Spain, is now preparing to enter several new markets in Europe, starting with Poland, which happened to be where our development center is based and is also one of the fastest-growing new economies in Europe, with additional countries to follow.

  • In addition also to cash back, we have also added additional features, including coupon offerings to make the solution even more attractive to our end users. So the other results are promising and we look forward to sharing more details in the future.

  • In combination, those offerings serve as good examples of how the browser been the hub of many services and connections offers so many points of engagement and thereby monetization opportunities. The gaming represents also an extraordinary opportunity for Opera, with billions of people globally who are spending money on games and related activities.

  • Our GX browser is an excellent example of the designing browsers with the user experience in mind and how we are able to build on our core assets to expand into adjacent areas. As of now, we have over 13 million GX users across both mobile and PC, and that number continues to grow. So during the quarter, we also hosted our Opera GX Game Jam focused on game developers who, in turn, submitted more than 900 games created with Opera's GameMaker Studio over a few weeks, indicating the power of creation. So we are now also announcing GXC. It's a gaming and self-publishing platform where new users can directly create and publish games for free using the GameMaker Studio.

  • These games were then available to be played natively in the GX browser by millions of users without having to install the Game Force. So we believe this latest addition to our offerings for gamers is another strong indication of potentials in this vibrant space and also of the opportunities ahead.

  • So stepping a bit back, I'd also like to talk about history trend that will benefit Opera. Many people believe that the history of the browser has already been written. We believe the opposite, that the way people use the Internet is changing and that the browser itself has never been more relevant or more important. People want their online experience to be better suited to their individual needs. So at Opera, improving the user experience has driven continuous innovation in our browsers and also related products.

  • Consumers are increasingly recognizing the benefit of using a product designed for them, for example, Opera's GX browser is already very highly regarded within the gamer community, differentiating itself from a standardized product that just came bundled with the operating system of a device.

  • So simply, Opera has become the brand of choice for the hundreds of millions of people who want to choose their browser and we think the number of people who want to do so will continue to increase. Our intention is to capture this growing market by offering the best browser experience for those that look for something more, introducing improvements and innovations that will drive user engagement, audience growth and naturally our ability to increase monetization.

  • So I will let, Frode, speak to our financial results. But before I do, I want to let our investors to know that this quarter's results continue to validate our belief that the browser business is a great business to be in. There is a huge opportunity ahead of us as hundreds of millions of consumers increasingly seek a browser that allows them to harmonize their online lives and get the online experience they choose to better fit their needs.

  • So in summary, Opera's growth is accelerating our profits, and margins are expanding, and our products have never been more relevant to more people. So with this, I will hand over to Frode.

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • Thanks, Song Lin. As Song Lin said, our strategy of increasing the value of our user base by introducing adjacent products and opening new markets is producing record results for Opera. Our results this quarter are a strong validation of our browser-plus strategy, and we see this strength continuing through the fourth quarter. As a result, I'm pleased to announce that we, yet again, raised our guidance for the full year revenue and adjusted EBITDA.

  • Revenue for the third quarter was a record $66.6 million, up 57% year-over-year and up 11% versus the prior quarter. After a few quarters of favorable comps due to COVID, the search and advertising revenues had returned to pre-COVID levels by the third quarter of 2020, making us extra pleased with the year-over-year achievement. For the first time, our revenue mix skews towards advertising revenue, which is now 52% of the total, a trend we expect to continue.

  • Specifically in the quarter, search was $30.7 million, growing 45% year-over-year. This was driven by monetization gains for both PC and mobile browsers. Advertising was $34.9 million, growing 83% year-over-year. This was driven by strong monetization from Opera News and our mobile browsers. Our strategy to improve revenue and profitability by focusing on not just growth, but also improving the value of our user base is clearly demonstrated by Opera's consistent and continuing trend of growing our ARPU.

  • One simple way to demonstrate this is to take our search and advertising revenue and divide it by our entire user base. In the third quarter, each user, on average, generated a record $0.75 on an annualized basis, up 19% sequentially and up 80% compared to the third quarter of 2020. Great products and features and the increasing relevance of the browser itself mean that over time, Opera continues to expand the profitability of each and every user.

  • In terms of our user base, we continue to direct our resources towards growing the users with the highest value and highest potential for Opera. For example, user growth in the EU was up 9% compared to the third quarter of 2020. In the Americas, we saw an increase of 30%, led by North America, up 46%. At the same time, our users in Asia, which has historically represented our least profitable market, continued to decline as we deemphasize that region. Our record-high revenue across all regions also reflects better monetization in every market where we operate. What this means is that we're doing a great job of improving the value of every user we have, and that's something we intend to remain focused on.

  • In terms of gross margin, the 3 cost items that scale with revenue are tech and platform fees, content costs and inventory costs. Combined, they add up to $3.3 million, resulting in a gross margin of $63.3 million or 95%.

  • On the cost side, most notable is that we managed to drive this growth with less investments in acceleration through marketing and distribution expenses versus what we had considered as basis for our prior guidance. Marketing and distribution expenses remain elevated as we continue our rapid expansion, but slightly decreased from the prior quarter. As a consequence, we generated better-than-expected adjusted EBITDA of $8.2 million.

  • Our core margins are very high. And when our investments come in below plan, such as it did this quarter, you can see the start of our trajectory towards a more normalized profitability level. Our net income for the quarter was $23.5 million, predominantly driven by the step-up in valuation for the OPay ordinary shares we had not previously recorded at fair value.

  • Our operating cash flow was negative at $3.4 million for the quarter, largely explained by a catch-up in the accounts payable balance following the plateauing of marketing costs. Combined with smaller nonoperating items, such as lease payments and development expenditure, we reduced our total cash and marketable securities by $8 million, ending the period at $193 million.

  • Now moving to our forward-looking commentary. Our core business continues to perform and grow ahead of expectations, increasing our confidence in our outlook for the rest of the year. We believe our browsers are well positioned to continue to grow both our high-margin search and advertising revenues. For the fourth quarter, we expect revenue of $70 million to $72 million, representing 41% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. The fourth quarter revenue growth is fueled by strong continued results from Opera's core search and advertising business and the underlying seasonality.

  • Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $11 million to $14 million in the quarter, translating to a margin of 18% at the midpoint. Profits are expected to benefit from the combination of the additional scale we built during the year and the continuation towards a normalization of marketing and distribution spend. However, I want to remind you that as in the past, the fourth quarter profits also benefit from seasonality on the top line.

  • As a consequence, our full year 2021 revenue guidance adds up to $248 million to $250 million, representing 51% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. That constitutes yet another lift versus prior guidance switched to that 48% growth after the second quarter and was at 39% for the year when we initially guided back in February.

  • For the full year, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $23 million and $26 million, which is in the higher end of our initial expectations for the year and well above the expectations we previously set in light of our even stronger revenue growth trajectory.

  • Overall and in sum, Q3 was another great quarter, leading to record revenue for both search and advertising. We are very pleased with these results and strongly believe we are pursuing the right strategy of innovating upon our high-margin core browser business and investing in adjacent initiatives, such as news and gaming to drive continued growth into the future.

  • Thanks. I think we can now take questions.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions)

  • We will take our first question from Lance Vitanza with Cowen.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • It's Lance at Cowen. A couple of questions for me. First, you called out in the headline that the -- in headline of the press release that ad revenue exceeded search for the first time. But could you just -- a stupid question, but could you explain why that is significant? Why do we care that advertising revenues exceeding search revenue? What's the implication of that?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • Lance, I would say 2 quick comments to that. Number one, I think it's a demonstration of the combined success of Opera News on top of the browser, because the only revenue category we drive from Opera News is advertising. Number two, of course, the advertising revenues are far more -- what's the word, less -- or much less concentrate. There's a much longer list of partners in that. So it means that the sum of very many is starting to add up to now be our biggest revenue stream.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then -- so if I look back through the beginning of COVID to 2019, I calculate a 2-year revenue CAGR of about 19%, which is outstanding. But my question is, how does that compare to other Internet media players? I mean, on a 2-year basis and looking through COVID, is Opera growing in line with its peers? Or is it growing faster or slower than peers?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • I mean I can only speak for us. But in many ways, 2020, from a revenue perspective, was a bit of a last year, given the declines, in particular, in Q2. Q3 was essentially back to year-over-year flat, and then we had a good Q4 again. And so when we -- if you look at the growth rates from -- if you look at Q3 '19 and Q3 2020, the revenue was about the same when you look at search and advertising. So I think, of course, we came out of it broader, and we came out of it with good products and good uptake. But the monetization gains we're seeing now is relative to the same level that we had before COVID, but we only got back there by Q3 '20.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Okay. I guess where I'm trying to go with this question is, I know it's a little early. I'm not going to ask for guidance, but as we think about our models in 2022 revenue growth, I can't imagine that it continues in the 50% to 60% range. So I'm thinking about moderating from the 19% CAGR to something like kind of a mid-teens growth rate. Is that a decent place to be modeling 2022 from a revenue perspective?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • As you say, it's also a little bit early for me to go out publicly with guidance now. We do feel great about the trajectory of the business. I would agree with you that a 50-ish percent year-over-year growth is a fantastic performance that we've had, and I'd be -- so that the direction of the growth rate will be lower than what it was in 2021. At least I think that's reasonable. But it's hard to give something very specific. We are doing -- we are investing in our business. We continue to invest at very high levels in growing our business. And we work on our initiatives that we have talked about before to sustain very attractive growth also looking ahead, of course.

  • Lance William Vitanza - MD & Cross-Capital Structure Analyst

  • Okay. Just one last question for me, and then I'll turn it over. But on OPay, you mentioned in your prepared remarks the stepped-up valuation now that you're using a fair value approach. But didn't fair value of the asset itself also increase given that they had raised some money at a higher valuation? I think from my notes, and I'm hoping you can confirm this for me, that OPay had raised $400 million at a $1.5 billion valuation last May and then maybe raised another $400 million at a $2 billion valuation late August. Is that right? And then presumably, you've been diluted by these raises. So -- and I know there was a monetization as well. So could you just confirm what percentage of OPay the company owns today?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • Sure. Sure. So number one, it's just the timing of different types of releases. There has been 1 funding round for OPay this year, and that's the one with about $2 billion post-money valuation, which is also the valuation that Opera. We divested a bit less than 1/3 of our ownership at that valuation. So there's been 1 when it comes to the share.

  • So the fair value -- so the assumed value of OPay that form the basis for our recognition of ownership, we updated that at the end of the second quarter to reflect that funding round. And that we have not changed since. The reason we have a gain now is that we have 2 types of shares, ordinary and preference shares. And from the past, ordinary shares were recorded under the equity method and not fair value. So it's just an accounting topic.

  • Our ownership of OPay is now set at 6.44%, used to be 13.1%, then we sold 29% of our stake. So that took us to 9.3%. Then there was some equity set aside for employee grants held in a separate company. So we take all that dilution upfront, taking it to 8.2%. And then there was the funding round that took it down to the 6.44%.

  • Operator

  • We'll go next to Mark Argento with Lake Street.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • Just 3 quick questions. One is, it looks like you're getting some pretty good traction with the news product in North America. Maybe talk about what penetration rate you're at? Where you think you can go with that? And ultimately, what kind of monetization rates that you could see there just in terms of trying to size up that opportunity?

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Yes. Okay. So it's Song Lin. Maybe I can just try to answer a bit broader, right? So I mean, I would say when it comes to the Europe and North America, honestly, you have to consider that it's a huge market itself, right? So I mean I think probably wrong to say penetration. I would say we are just getting started. But it is good to see we have a very good ranking, very good retention, very good valuation and user engagement. So all the numbers are really good.

  • But yes, more like -- but then of course, I guess we're also rational where we want to, of course, just to be -- the same time what they're doing now, right? They want to always be online conscious and be very targeted focusing on one of the high ARPU value users and not just going for the broader user base, but we want to make sure we target that we really needed a very high engagement and all those.

  • So more likely, I guess, to sum up, I would say, number one, we are still in very early stage. I think we least have probably many times growth potentials. But especially if you reference to our position in Africa, right? If you look at Africa, we are the #1. We are almost dominating in the region. And in the U.S., of course, you also face so many traditional media outlets and all those. So I would just say yes, we probably many, many times, opportunity waiting for us. But on the other end, I think -- yes, on the other end, I think we just also be very symptomatic about it. We want to be cautious, and we will make sure we target the right audience.

  • The other comment I think we'll be also saying that we're also trying to focus different verticals, both in Africa, but also in other regions, that we were strengthening many particular vertical by vertical. And just make sure that on that particular vertical, may that be sports, may that be some others, the AI, the intelligent news, we'll be able to differentiate it from the more normal source, right?

  • So I think that's our general approach. So, however, I feel that there's still going to be a great growth opportunity ahead of it. But on the other hand, we also want to be very cautious and will move us steady ahead.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • I know one of -- previously, the idea was to spend aggressively on customer acquisition. Maybe talk a little bit about the strategy shift there, in particular, was the ROI not where you wanted it. And so you got to retrenched a little bit and focused on, like you said, some of the higher value verticals or what happened with the strategy. What did you see out there?

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Yes. Yes. Yes. Maybe just high-level comment. And Frode, you can just add on top, right? So no, I don't think it's more like -- I don't think it's a strategy shift. We are still spending on very elevated levels comparing before and more like, yes. So that will mean, I don't think there's a strategy shifting.

  • I think the major difference is more like we have been continuous to be smarter. Previously, no way we spent -- I guess, we spent less in the developed regions. And now when we are spending there, we just find that there are also many interesting ways that we can buy those that make us a lot more smarter.

  • For instance, without being too long, I would just say the traditional user acquisition way to set up a fixed price, and you buy it, you may have retention. But now actually, by programmatic ways, we are able to buy users, particularly to that particular user's potential value of it instead of generic buy. And the result of that is that, that allows us to almost be extremely targeted and the user what we want. But then, of course, with the potential that we find out maybe many users we don't want. And so we don't have to spend money on it. And I think that's more like the signal why you see we are able to spend less but achieve almost a higher revenue compared with what we predicted well, and we'll continue that trend.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • Okay. That's helpful. And just last one for me. In terms of your search partnerships, remind us who you're partnered with on the search side. And are those contracts that need to be renewed on a regular basis? If you could refresh us on that, it would be helpful.

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Sure. Frode, do you want comment? Or you want me to comment?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • Yes. I mean most important search partners are Google and Yandex. We typically enter 3-, 4-year contracts with them. We -- I believe we actually attach them to our annual reports, but with all the juicy stuff grade out because that we cannot disclose. So they've been long partnerships for 15-plus years, probably.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • And the next time, those are set to renew. Just like you said, is it kind of an auto-renew situation? Or you guys actually set out and renegotiate those over a year, over 3 years?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • We try to negotiate them every time they renew. So they typically don't auto-renew. There are some instances where the partner has the right to extend the contract, let's say, for another year, post initial term on the same terms. And then beyond that, we meet and negotiate. But they tend to be quite stable in terms of important terms, quite stable. And then of course you still have all that a little bit...

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Yes. Like maybe I'll just comment that, yes, more like for the most relevant ones, we're moving ahead. We don't expect any surprises. And if anything, we'll hopefully this to be upside.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • And when is the next renewal? Are we on a renewal cycle this year or next year?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • I think Google auto renew -- not auto renew, sorry. Google renewal would be for next year. Yandex is in -- I think it's 2022 or 2023.

  • Mark Nicholas Argento - Senior Research Analyst, Founding Partner & Head of Institutional Equities

  • Congrats on a really strong quarter.

  • Operator

  • We'll go next to Alicia Yap with Citigroup.

  • Yik Wah Yap - MD & Head of Pan-Asia Internet Research

  • Congrats on the strong quarter and guidance. I have a couple of questions here. Number one, can you elaborate the geographic distributions of your ad revenue? So how big is the ad revenue contribution from the America and the Europe and the Asia, if you could share a little bit rough percentage. And then also just curious if you could also share the growth rate of the ad revenue coming from America, I guess given steady 83% growth. So I would assume the America growth is like the -- very good like high triple-digit growth. So any specific MAU target that you wanted to reach in the U.S.

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • So Alicia, maybe I can begin at least answering your question. We don't disclose revenues at the detailed level by country and geography. But roughly speaking, advertising is quite balanced between Europe and the Americas versus the emerging markets.

  • And in terms of Opera News, of course, we are spending big marketing dollars, but that is also generating good revenue growth for us, and that has been driven by actually both. But of course, the most step-up is due to sort of the growth from virtually nothing to actually starting to have a presence in Western markets. So that benefits our advertising revenue stream and sort of explaining why it is growing faster than search.

  • Yik Wah Yap - MD & Head of Pan-Asia Internet Research

  • Any color that the user that you wanted to further penetrate in terms of the user base in the U.S.?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • Yes. Song, I think you touched on that before. Maybe you just comment?

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Sure, yes. So yes, well, I would just say, I think, to be honest, I guess it's probably less about -- what I think overall -- I think our overall strategy is just that we do want to touch you base in U.S. was more like high engagement, where people which -- feel more natural with our product among others, right?

  • So yes, more like I would say, yes. I mean like I think at least for the results that we have been seeing, especially when it comes to -- more like let's just say that there are a few types, right? So when it comes to Opera News, I would say, those are more typical, I would say, high-value users, which do have the news reading habit. That's what we see.

  • That tends to be, I would say, maybe slightly towards middle aged, because those are the ones, which have a lot of need of ready news, while, for instance, we're also growing very big in gaming. U.S. evolved to be the biggest market in games. And so we see a lot of kids -- young kids, which are probably not really a whole lot of news, but they do a lot of gaming.

  • So yes, so like highly, I think we are not quite smart in the way that we buy of course different you know -- acquire different user with value and so we are marketing by different means, and we just see that it's a very natural mix amount among those.

  • Yik Wah Yap - MD & Head of Pan-Asia Internet Research

  • I see. And for your 4Q EBITDA guidance, judging from that, is that right to assume that your sales and marketing spend on the absolute dollar terms as well as the percentage of revenue is actually coming down sequentially from 3Q?

  • Frode Fleten Jacobsen - CFO

  • So what you can -- what you'll see implicit in our guidance, since the rest of the OpEx sort of moves with more limited steps, is that we essentially expect the marketing spend to be at about the same level as the third quarter. I guess, on the margin, more likely a bit down, but not a big change relative to the third quarter.

  • Yik Wah Yap - MD & Head of Pan-Asia Internet Research

  • I see. Okay. And then lastly, could you remind us the split of the Android versus the iOS user for your news app? Just wondering if there has been any impact to your News A-P-P from the iOS 14 changes in the recent quarter?

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Yes. Understood. So yes, I would say, by far, majority of our user base has been on Android. That's not by intention. It's just because we launched the iOS a lot later. So yes. So for us, it's -- yes, (inaudible) majority will be still Android. And that's why we're also, let's say, positively not affected or even elevated by the trends. I mean, of course, we do think it's making sense to continue to invest into iOS. But I guess now the good thing is that since the monetization, it has been challenging. And also flat (inaudible) iOS. So that matches up. And hopefully, we'll just benefit from it.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time. I'll turn the call over to Song Lin for any additional or closing remarks.

  • Lin Song - Co-CEO

  • Sure, that's okay. Then I'll just say that thank you all of you for joining us today. As you also have heard that we believe Opera is well positioned to continue to grow, and we are very excited about our new initiatives. We appreciate your time, and we look forward to speaking with you again.

  • Operator

  • This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.