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  • Operator

  • Welcome to Natera's 2018 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded today, November 8, 2018.

  • I would now like to turn the conference call over to Michael Brophy, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Thanks, operator. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining our conference call to discuss the results of our third quarter 2018. Also on the line is Matthew Rabinowitz, our CEO; Steve Chapman, our Chief Operating Officer; and Solomon Moshkevich, SVP of Product and Strategy. Paul Billings, our Chief Medical Officer is also here today for questions. Today's conference call is being broadcast live via webcast. We will be referring to a slide presentation that has been posted to investor.natera.com . A replay of the call will be also available at investor.natera.com.

  • During the course of this conference, we will make forward-looking statements regarding future events and our anticipated future performance, such as our operational and financial guidance for the full year 2018, our assumptions for that guidance, market size, partnerships, clinical studies, opportunities and strategies and expectations for various current and future products, including product capabilities, expected release dates and related effects on our financial and operating results. We caution you that such statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us and that actual events or results could differ materially. Please refer to the documents we file from time-to-time with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-Q and the Form 8-K filed with today's press release. Those documents identify important risks and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ from those contained in the forward-looking statements.

  • Forward-looking statements made during the call are being made as of today. If this call is replayed or reviewed after today, the information presented during the call may not contain current or accurate information. Natera disclaims any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. We will provide guidance on today's call, but will not provide any further guidance or updates on our performance during the quarter unless we do so in a public forum. We will quote a number of numerical growth changes as we discuss our financial performance. And unless otherwise noted, each such reference represents a year-on-year comparison.

  • And now, I'd like to turn the call over to Matt.

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • Thanks, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I will cover our recent highlights and progress in the business since we last spoke in August, and Mike will provide additional details on our financial progress. As Mike mentioned, we will be referring to slides that were just posted at investor.natera.com.

  • A summary of our recent highlights on the next slide. On volumes. We processed over 167,000 tests in the quarter which represents 28% growth versus the same quarter last year and sequential quarterly growth over a very strong Q2 that we have described previously. Steve will go into more detail on volumes in a few minutes. For Panorama, in particular, we processed 115,000 tests in Q3, which represents growth of 26% compared to Q3 last year. We also saw continuing momentum in our Horizon carrier screening volumes, which grew 36% when compared to the same period of the prior year.

  • We generated total revenues of $65.3 million in the quarter up 17% versus Q3 last year. We were pleased to see that pricing remained stable in Q3 as we expected. Our revenues were negatively impacted in the quarter by delay in reporting our samples from our lab in late September that we estimate cost us about $1.2 million in revenue. We also benefited from improved performance in collections of claims from roughly the last 2 years when appealing insurance companies. Mike will go into more detail on the drivers of revenue and our guidance later in the call. But I wanted to address these briefly now. As you can see in our press release, we tightened revenue guidance for the year to $250 million to $260 million. This is primarily driven by the delays in revenue recognition for volumes in our 2 new businesses: cord blood and oncology. We've continued to remain targeted with our investment in cord blood to collect volumes from existing customers and the volumes are growing, but the pace in the second half of the year has been slower than anticipated. In addition, the conversion between sale to sample receipt is longer than we anticipated.

  • Regarding Signatera, while the rate and uptake of signed contracts for trials has been higher than we anticipated, these signed deals have taken longer-than-expected through launch, collect the samples from our partners and recognize as revenue. As Solomon will discuss, we expect roughly $8 million in contracted business by the end of the year. As this book of business continues to build, I anticipate this variability will diminish. Separately, we are also currently negotiating strategic partnerships that if signed before year-end could have a significant impact, but we are leaving those deals out of the revised guide as the precise timing is hard to predict.

  • We have had several positive developments in our oncology assets so far this fall. On previous calls, we have highlighted the number of pilot studies that we are running with pharmaceutical companies and predicted that this initial success would start to lead, to deal, to participate in larger perspective trials. Now we are starting to see that happen. We signed an agreement with Bristol-Myers Squibb to use Signatera in a Phase II perspective lung cancer trail and another deal to participate in a Phase Ib trial Neon Therapeutics is running for their personalized cancer vaccine that is being run in partnership with Merck. These represent exciting opportunities demonstrating the leadership position of our unique technology. We are excited to see the top of the funnel that Signatera offerings to pharmaceutical companies continues to build. We now have more than 25 studies signed, including with many of the top 10 pharma companies. As Solomon will cover in a moment, we expect a number of milestones in our oncology business over the next few quarters starting with exciting data in 2 different breast cancer studies that are being presented at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium in December.

  • Switching gears to prenatal health. We were very pleased to announce that we have now enrolled the 20,000 patient in our SMART trial to support reimbursement of our microdeletions test. This has been a massive asset to prospectively characterize the prevalence of disorders caused by microdeletions, further validate the performance of our tests and gather all the appropriate clinical utility and information from all patients to make meaningful comparison with current standards of care. As we have described before, broad reimbursement for microdeletions is an enormous revenue and cash flow opportunity for us, and we believe this data is a key step towards unlocking that potential. We have spoken in detail on the positive developments and guidelines for average-risk NIPT. ACOG withdrew their previous guideline regarding NIPT, and we continue to expect a revised guideline that we think will be supportive of NIPT for all women. Steve will talk more about recent positive developments in average-risk coverage.

  • Finally, we continue to make progress towards transplant commercialization. We've now completed our analytical and clinical validation and had a successful pre-submission meeting with CMS. So we remain on track with the time line we outlined in August. Steve will give more detail.

  • Now I'd like to hand the call to Steve to summarize our commercial progress in the quarter. Steve?

  • Steve Chapman - COO

  • Thanks, Matt. Just as a refresh for newer investors, our strategy is to apply our core technology across women's health, oncology and transplant applications. These all represent large markets, and we think combined, they represent a greater than $18 billion market opportunity. Over the past several years, we've invested in technology, research and development and have now reduced the technical risks associated with the oncology and transplant applications. We're now in a position to focus our efforts on product launches and commercialization in order to realize the full value of these innovations, while maintaining our leadership position in Women's Health.

  • First an update on the Women's Health business. The next slide shows our recent volume progression. You can see this year's volumes are a step function higher than last year's unit volumes. Volume so far this year are in line with our expectations, and we remain on track to meet the volume guidance we gave last quarter of 25% to 35% growth for the full year. The chart on the right side of the page shows the year-on-year growth trend in 2017 and 2010. As you can see, our growth rate has nearly doubled this year versus 2017 despite the base business being much bigger.

  • In our Panorama business, the mix of volumes has remained stable at roughly 60% average-risk units and 40% high-risk units. We believe that as the average-risk marketing expands in the future, we have an opportunity to grow additional volumes by receiving average-risk units from existing accounts that typically offer NIPT only to high-risk patients. We continue to drive growth in long-term account retention. Our total active accounts is at a record level and the fraction of accounts ordering both NIPT and carrier screening tests is also at a record level. In addition to our continued volume growth, we're pleased to have launched a new proprietary DNA extraction technique that we developed in-house and is now operational in our lab. This technology provides us with a net cost savings of roughly $6 per Panorama case, while delivering improved performance. To the best of our knowledge, this DNA extraction technique has the highest yield of short DNA fragments available in the market. High performance DNA extraction is particularly important in applications where single molecule recovery is clinically relevant, such as oncology. As cell-free DNA testing expands, we will consider whether to commercialize this more broadly.

  • Now we'd like to discuss recent reimbursement wins in our core business. First, the preliminary CMS determination for Natera's twin zygosity CPT code was to crosswalk the pricing of $7.95, which is a good outcome. Our success in applying for and winning CPT codes with resulting favorable pricing is a core competency of our market access team, and we think bodes well for our future endeavors in transplant and oncology.

  • Next we've seen increased momentum after the ACOG change this summer. Three significant Blue's plans have now updated their average-risk policies following this change: Tennessee, Minnesota and North Carolina. These represent 3 of the top 4 remaining Blue's plans by covered lives that had not already covered average-risk NIPT. In addition, we've now seen the first state Medicaid routinely covering average-risk NIPT. Although we service a large portion of the Medicaid population today, we received $0 on most average-risk state Medicaid patients bringing down our ASP. We think this is an area of opportunity that may materialize in the future. Together, these changes represent significant momentum in NIPT coverage.

  • Shifting gears to transplant. I'll highlight, again, the performance of our test in our robust clinical validation study completed in partnership with UCSF. This trial was nearly 2x the size of a clinical validation study published by Bloom et al., and also showed an improved area under the curve. Area under the curve is a metric that combines sensitivity and specificity and represents a fundamental power of a test. Natera uses specific molecular techniques that distinguish it from those used in Bloom et al., and we believe provide us with the competitive performance advantage.

  • This next slide is the same road map we've showed -- we showed you on our August call, except now we have number of the key activities completed. As Matt mentioned, we have now completed our analytical and clinical validation. In addition, we successfully completed our presubmission meeting with CMS, which is a key milestone along our reimbursement pathway. We were pleased with the discussion, and we believe we can secure a local coverage decision policy in 2019 based on precedent time lines after a dossier submission.

  • We've also made progress on pricing and coding. We think the best strategy will be to use a miscellaneous CPT code in combination with a unique z-code. We're in the process of obtaining the z-code, and we expect to complete that in the near term. Once our draft LCD is released, we plan to negotiate pricing directly with MolDx. As we've outlined before, we think the precedent pricing of roughly $2,800 for a similar donor-derived cell-free DNA assay in the transplant setting is highly relevant and should serve as a guide for those discussions.

  • Now I'd like to turn it over to Solomon to provide an update on our oncology efforts. Solomon?

  • Solomon Moshkevich - SVP of Product & Strategy

  • Thanks, Steve. Since our last call, we have had several positive developments in the oncology business. As a reminder, the Signatera product currently on market is for research use only, available to biopharma and academic customers. And the clinical version or CLIA version of the product is on track to launch in early 2019, with availability for patients and their physicians to order and receive test results as well as for biopharma to use in studies where the test results are incorporated into clinical decision making.

  • In this update, I will touch on the pharma business, the clinical business and data development. First a view on our data. Our colorectal data was presented on the podium at ESMO last month, where it was well received. Our breast cancer data will be unveiled in about 3 weeks at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium with podium and poster presentations reporting data from our study with the University of Leicester and Imperial College and from the ISPY-2 study. We also continue to sign new academic collaborations that will read our data in 2019. We announced 1 study recently in renal cell carcinoma with Fox Chase Cancer Center, and we signed another agreement to study a large cohort of metastatic patients across multiple cancer types who all received immunotherapy. There is several unmet needs in immunotherapy even with currently approved indications in metastatic disease where we think Signatera can help. As we mentioned in the past, the speed and efficiency of developing clinical data with these well-curated biobanks has been a major advantage thus far, as it generates the validity data that we need to pursue our clinical and reimbursement strategy across multiple indications.

  • We intend to commercialize Signatera to the oncology community when the CLIA test launches early next year. In previous calls, we've discussed the low-hanging fruit clinical indications where we intend to quickly seek reimbursement for Medicare. These indications include early-stage colon cancer, lung cancer and breast cancer where we have generated good data and where the utility is clear, with current NCCN guidelines giving significant latitude for physicians to determine which patients should receive additional therapy. To support clinical adoption and to measure the impact on patient outcomes, we are planning to sponsor a prospective observational study in these cancer types using Signatera across multiple sites inside and outside the U.S. We have been pleased thus far with the level of interest in joining this study from among the Tier 1 cancer centers. The momentum behind this strategy is growing fast. With the new review article published in the New England Journal of Medicine just last week, specifically calling out early-stage colon, lung and breast cancers as good potential applications for cell-free DNA testing to determine which patient still harbor residual disease after surgery and predicting that the approach may become a critical tool in postoperative patient management.

  • Turning now to our pharma business where Signatera is gaining significant traction. We have now signed 26 different projects with 20 different companies, up from 20 projects reported at the end of the second quarter. As we discussed earlier, our strategy for 2018 for this year has been to perform initial pilot studies with the translational biomarker groups inside of the top pharma companies as a gateway to their broader clinical trial portfolios. Thus far, our product is consistently performing at or above expectations leading to multiple follow-on opportunities. The follow on projects takes several forms, including the analysis of the stored specimens from previous clinical trials with complete outcomes already collected and inclusion into new prospective studies. So I want to focus on 2 recent wins here, Bristol-Myers Squibb and Neon. Our project with BMS announced in September represents the first-time ever that a test for minimal residual disease, or MRD, will be used to determine which early-stage lung cancer patients will receive chemotherapy standard of care versus which patients will receive chemo plus immunotherapy with BMS' checkpoint inhibitor, OPDIVO. This is a prospective randomized Phase II trial scheduled to start early in 2019, and it involves multiple Signatera tests for each patient prior to treatment randomization and then monitoring frequently for relapse after treatment is complete. The trial is important for several reasons. First, if the program itself is successful, this could establish the utility of ordering Signatera multiple times in early-stage non-small cell lung cancer patients, of which there are up to 75,000 addressable cases per year in the U.S. and with a 5-year relative survival rates are currently low. This is a great example of how our collaborations with pharma can lead to clinical adoption of the future. Second, we're enabling broader use of MRD analysis in clinical trials in general. Moving upstream into the adjuvant setting where there are many more patients compared to the metastatic setting is an attractive opportunity for pharma because they've historically focused their R&D efforts on treating metastatic disease. However, the move into adjuvant has been difficult for pharma to execute. Since proven treatment efficacy in an early-stage population where many patients are already cured of their disease with surgery alone, requires larger, longer and risker clinical trials to show a relatively small treatment benefit. Using Signatera, in this scenario, allows Bristol-Myers Squibb to derisk that strategy by honing in on exactly those patients with residual disease who are destined to relapse and who are, therefore, most likely to benefit from novel treatment. Other pharma companies are taking notice of this project, and it's easy to extrapolate a similar MRD approach in any solid tumor type. As other pharma companies follow suit, we believe Signatera is poised to become a standard tool in enabling that trend.

  • Shifting now to Neon therapeutics, we're joining another emerging trend in oncology, personalized cancer vaccine therapy. This is where the immune system is trained through a personalized vaccine to attack only those cells in the body that express certain antigens on the surface of the cells that are specific to the tumor. Neon is a leader in the space, and their plan is to incorporate Signatera into a trial being run in partnership with Merck, combining Neon's NEO-PV-01 vaccine with chemotherapy and Merck's checkpoint inhibitor, KEYTRUDA, for untreated non-small cell lung cancer patients. The test will be used to correlate treatment response with data from Signatera. This is the first time a custom-designed therapeutic has been combined with a custom-designed diagnostic in the clinical setting. And if it works, it may herald a new chapter in personalized medicine that may help save many lives.

  • Looking forward, as Matt mentioned, we expect to close out this fiscal year with over $8 million in contracted pharma business. Though, we do expect it to take some time to recognize the revenue from those deals. Given that we have not even launched the CLIA test yet, we believe our revenue trajectory, since launch, is comparable or better than the leading tumor sequencing companies. As we look forward to 2019 and beyond, we anticipate signing larger and larger deals with pharma, with a Phase II trial expected to generate between $1 million and $3 million revenue over the course of study and a Phase III trial expected to generate between $3 million to $10 million depending on the size of the study. This creates a virtuous cycle or the trial itself is a source of profitable revenue and with the data from the trials should be sufficient to commercialize multiple new indications and to gain positive coverage decisions for Medicare and other insurers. So we are envisioning a fast-growing, high-margin cash mean business by servicing the pharma sector.

  • With that, let me hand over to Mike to review our financial performance. Mike?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Thanks, Solomon. In the last few quarters, we have predicted stable pricing for the year because we now have established a network pricing for most of our large payers and are building our tests on disease-specific CPT codes. You see that on the chart on the left. Total revenue is divided by test reported in the period have been increasing so far this year. Note that the Q1 number excludes a onetime revenue recognition benefit of $5.5 million from the QIAGEN deal we signed in Q1. But this chart includes appeals revenues we've collected from older claims and booked as revenue in Q2 and Q3. This represents cash we've collected on appeals above our accrued revenues from test reported from 2015 to 2017 and have never been recognized as revenue in the past. As we described in the last quarter, we booked roughly $2.3 million in appeals revenue in Q2. In Q3, we collected roughly $5.2 million in appeals revenue. This revenue is a result of a year-long effort to optimize our billing practices and challenge denials of older claims from 2017 and prior periods, so we're pleased to see this effort bearing fruit, and it's not strictly a onetime benefit. I expect that we will be able to generate additional revenue from future appeals as well. In this chart, we're simply showing the total revenue divided by reported units. If you stripped out that appeals revenue for Q2 and Q3, Q2 pricing would be roughly $419 and Q3 pricing would be roughly $411. So as we talked about in the past, the pricing metrics can bounce around from quarter-to-quarter based on payer mix and other transient variables. So I think the message from this data is that underlying pricing that we saw in Q3 has been roughly stable for the rest of the year as expected. Of course, there are a number of large pricing tailwinds out there, and we are very optimistic about achieving broader reimbursement for average-risk NIPT and microdeletions as Steve and Matt discussed.

  • As Matt also mentioned, we did have another variable that reduced revenues in the quarter. While test processed grew sequentially from Q2 to Q3, test reported out of our lab was essentially flat. This was due to a temporary delay in turnaround times in our lab over approximately 3,000 units. And if these units have been reported out at the end of September rather than early October, we would have recognized roughly $1.2 million in additional revenue in the quarter.

  • The next slide shows our COGS progression. We've said previously that we launched our new carrier screening workflow in April. While we immediately realized benefits on the launch, we're still phasing in that new workflow. COGS per unit, which is simply cost of product revenues divided by tested session in our lab, were slightly higher than expectations. This was partly driven by product mix, the phasing of the carrier screening workflow launch and staffing. We continue to be conservative in terms of staffing as we optimize the new launch. But we do see a path to getting COGS lower just from optimizing suppliers, executing discrete R&D projects and seeing some of these new workflows mature over the next year. We were pleased to see our COGS for NIPT were again below $200 in Q3 in line with our model's expectations at this point, and that includes all shipping, labor, accessioning, collection costs, genetic counselor costs and reagent and sequencing costs.

  • Beyond that, as we described previously, we have generated concept data on the next substantial reduction in COGS based on technology developments in NIPT that we think will allow us to drive blended COGS much lower, again, over the next 18 months. We've made some significant investments in R&D since the beginning of 2015, but as you can see, on the right-hand side of the page, the returns have been very strong, even if you only count COGS reductions we've achieved and leave aside key product improvements that have driven revenues.

  • Now to summarize our results from the quarter. The results for the quarter and the full year crossed the wire this afternoon. I'm going to focus on the key points in the Q3 results. Since we adopted the full retrospective approach to the ASC 606 that I've described previously, results from the current quarter as well as Q3 2017 are reported under ASC 606 standards, so it's an apples-to-apples to competitors on the page. Our third quarter total revenues for were $65.3 million compared to $55.9 million for the third quarter of '17. Gross margin for the third quarter 2018 was 36% compared to 38% gross margin in the same period of the prior year. It's worth noting that the Q3 gross margin last year benefited from a release of previously held reserves that increased margins in that period.

  • Panorama revenues for the quarter were $36 million compared to $33.9 million in Q3 last year, an increase primarily driven by volume growth in that business over the past year. Horizon revenues for the quarter were $23.5 million compared to $17.9 million in the third quarter of 2017, the increase, again, driven primarily by volume growth. Total operating expenses for the third quarter increased by about $3.7 million compared to the third quarter of last year. This was driven by higher stock-based compensation expenses and some investments we've made related to our insurance collection efforts and legal expenses, specifically around this appeals effort that I described earlier and accounting transition to ASC 606.

  • At the close of the quarter, the company held $170 million in cash, cash equivalents, short-term investments and restricted cash. This includes the $97.3 million in net proceeds from the equity raise we did in early July. As of September 30, 2018, we held a net carrying amount of $73.3 million under our 7-year $100 million debt facility with Orbimed Advisors and have drawn down $50.1 million, including accrued interest under the $50 million line of credit in place with UBS.

  • Turning to future outlook. We are tightening our 2018 total revenue expectation to $250 million to $260 million. Gross margins to be 33% to 36% of revenues. Selling, general and administrative costs to be approximately $150 million to $155 million. Research and development costs to be $50 million and $55 million and our cash burn revised to $65 million to $75 million. As Matt described, the change in guide is driven primarily by the timing of revenues from new businesses, cord blood and oncology, and we're leaving out the potential upside of any biz development deals we may sign through the rest of the year. The cash burn guide reflects the above drivers and also takes into account some additional investment we are bringing forward into 2018 to drive the transplant launch as we are ahead of schedule on our work in that area compared to our plan at the beginning of the year. We think the fundamental drivers of the business are still intact, and we've been encouraged by the momentum we're seeing in our transplant development process and the data we're seeing for Signatera.

  • Now I'd like to open the line for questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Mark Massaro with Canaccord Genuity.

  • Mark Anthony Massaro - Senior Analyst

  • I guess, my first question is on the -- just some housekeeping on guiding down the low end or I should say, guiding down the high end of revenue guidance. Can you speak to how much revenue is coming down specifically from the timing of recognizing revenue from oncology versus any other factor?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Thanks, Mark. It's Mike. Yes, so the 2 main variables are just cord blood and oncology together, and that kind of goes in that bucket of the new product revenues we talked about at the beginning of year. Those are the 2 key variables there.

  • Mark Anthony Massaro - Senior Analyst

  • Got it. And then, in terms of the -- previously, you were talking about $15 million from new sources. I just want to make sure that, that $15 million encompasses cord blood Signatera everything. Are you now assuming or I think you said you're assuming $8 million by the end of the year. So I guess, should we assume that the bulk of it is some other factor?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • No. So just let me clarify the $8 million. So the $8 million is contracted revenue. So this is deals that we've signed where over the course of the deal, we expect to recognize $8 million revenue. We hadn't expected to recognize that much revenue in oncology this year, but we did expect to recognize a portion of that. And so the difference between like contracted or booked revenue and recognized revenue is just that we've got -- the pharma partner has got to launch the study, send us the samples, and we've got to run the samples. So that $8 million just kind of gives you a sense of what the signed opportunity is right now in the business.

  • Mark Anthony Massaro - Senior Analyst

  • Got it. And then...

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • And I'll say like very little of it. We've effectively said almost none of that is going to booked here in '18 now, Mark.

  • Mark Anthony Massaro - Senior Analyst

  • Got it, okay. And then, I guess, in terms of timing of when we might expect a new bulletin from ACOG. Can you guys comment on any visibility you might have?

  • Paul R. Billings - Chief Medical Officer & Senior VP of Medical Affairs

  • So this is Paul Billings. Thanks for the question. We're both in direct communication with ACOG and through our industry partners are also hearing that a new guidance is under way, but its exact content and when it exactly will be published remains uncertain.

  • Mark Anthony Massaro - Senior Analyst

  • Got it. And then, one last one from me on transplant. Understanding that this is one site at UCSF. Can you guys give us a sense on the potential need for developing studies across more than 1 location?

  • Steve Chapman - COO

  • Yes, sure. This is Steve. I'll take that, and then turn it over to Paul Billings. So I think the primary reason for generating the clinical data is to show the performance of the tests and then to get reimbursement. We feel very positive about the meeting that we just completed with CMS and the execution that we've had thus far along our reimbursement road map that we outlined here in the meeting. Just as a refresher, the clinical validation study that we presented on the -- in the prepared remarks is 2x larger than the Bloom study, which is another clinical validation that's been published, and we feel like the performance particularly the area under the curve is superior to that study. So in order to get positioned, we've also outlined that we'll be watching a registry trial to collect additional clinical utility data, and we expect to launch that in 2019. But Paul, do you have any additional comment?

  • Paul R. Billings - Chief Medical Officer & Senior VP of Medical Affairs

  • Yes. The only thing I would say is, we've examined the clinical validity study that we've completed for geographic and ethnic diversity. And it's -- it has significant elements of both. And so we think that it represents well the diversity that's present in the U.S. population.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Tycho Peterson with JPMorgan.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • This is [Elaine] on for Tycho. Maybe to start off, you showed an encouraging trend with revenues per test. Was wondering how you were thinking about the trend going forward? And if you could give us a ballpark estimate of what we should expect by year-end and even next year if that's available?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Yes. Thanks, [Elaine] for the question. It's Mike. So yes, if you have look at the trend that we showed there you see a steadily increasing trend, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. I want to just highlight for everyone on the call that there is some appeals revenue that is in those numbers. And so I think a conservative baseline would be to hold ASPs relatively stable going forward based on what we've showed earlier in the year. So as I said, if you took out that appeals revenue in Q3, it'd be about $411 on a blended pricing basis. And as we mentioned, there is lots of different tailwinds there that we can benefit from over time. But I think that's a good kind of conservative baseline to start with.

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • And I'll make a comment there as well. This is Matthew. So as Paul mentioned, we've heard many comments from ACOG and people involved in the ACOG process that a new guidance is coming, and while Paul said, we don't exactly the content of that new guidance, we have heard very good reason to believe that that's going to be very supportive of low-risk NIPT similar to the ACMG guidance. So I think that, that ASP increased from low risk had happened and the reason being near term. And then, obviously, and a slightly longer-term, we've got a big bolus that can come from microdeletion reimbursement.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Great, that's helpful. And then, separately, you mentioned that you've successfully enrolled 20,000 patients in your SMART trial for microdeletions. And I was wondering if you already have sort of a time line in mind of when you're going to be releasing that data?

  • Paul R. Billings - Chief Medical Officer & Senior VP of Medical Affairs

  • Thank you for that question. It's Paul Billings, again. So we're currently analyzing the first 10,000 of the patients, and with cooperation of our many principal investigators, we hope to publish an interim manuscript of that in the middle of 2019. The last trial that we've enrolled will be born in the middle of 2019. And so with analysis and so forth, we expect that the full readout of this landmark study, which we think will demonstrate the importance in microdeletion management of prenatal diagnostics, will probably come towards the end of 2019 or early in 2020.

  • Unidentified Analyst

  • Okay, great. That's helpful. And then one last one. I was wondering in terms of the launch of a new DNA technique you mentioned with Signatera, you mentioned some net cost savings per test and an improved performance. Was wondering whether you could give us some more color on the impact this will have on your margins going forward?

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • Matt here. I'll take that. So the impact on margins is going to be around $6 for that, and that's by reducing the number of redraws because you get a better quality higher fraction of fetal DNA and a cleaner DNA signal. There's also going to be reductions in labor because we don't have to recheck sample at higher depths to read. So this is something, which is not even incorporated right now in the current COGS because although we have got that operational in our lab, we have to use up all of the existing inventory. So I think that that'll be about a $6 benefit, but there is a whole set of projects where we've generated that in the lab that popped through concept of feasibility, and we're now in the process of operationalizing these projects to continue to march to lower COGS. So we do see a path, as we've said before, to get the overall product COGS to above $200 over the next roughly 18 months and that's based on data that has already been generated and products that are in the process of being refined based on what we know that we can do. These are not sort of long-term Hail Marys. So I think that that's just one step in the right direction, but there are many steps moving in the right direction. And I don't want to give an exact time on that, but I can say that we have a clear path to getting to that $200 that we previously said is doable.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Bill Quirk with Piper Jaffray.

  • William Robert Quirk - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • First question, Matt or Steve, how should we think about the draft CMS payment for advanced carrier screening? And I guess, what I mean by this is that we saw this happen a few years ago with NIPT and with microdeletions. And we saw some state Medicaid plans as well as a few private payers, albeit small ones, jump on start -- adding the code to their systems and it took a little a while, but you guys eventually did end up recognizing some revenue from that, and so I'm just trying to figure out if this new code is potentially a replay of that event for few years ago?

  • Steve Chapman - COO

  • Yes. Thanks, Bill. This is Steve Chapman. I'll take that. Yes, so the sort of broad panel carrier screening is a portion of our business. I mean, we've -- the way that we've rolled out our offering, we have many different choices that the customer can make. And so this sort of broad panel is only a portion of business. We've been very pleased with the pricing, which we purchase stated in ourselves and submitted, written in verbal comments into CMS. That's now coming out in the sort of high 2,000s and that's looking very favorable. It's really going to come down to sort of coverage for the particular broad panel, and we saw this recent clinical utility paper come out, which I think is positive for everyone in the industry. We really have to see how that coverage plays out. I do think that we have seen a trend in the past of CMS pricing something on their national clinical IP schedule and then that rolling out to some of the state Medicaid plans. So I'd imagine a similar paradigm will play through here as well as we've seen in the past.

  • William Robert Quirk - MD and Senior Research Analyst

  • Sorry. Two additional quick ones from me is thinking about some of the larger payers that are not yet paying for average-risk screening, in the event that ACOG drags their feet you've been in communication with several of them, help us think about, I guess, other routes, other alternatives to getting some of those coverage decisions improve to cover average risk? And then secondly, is just asking about the new fetal fraction risk score, whether or not you're seeing that directly impact any of the volumes for NIPT or helping with the new account adds? Any sort of metric would be very helpful.

  • Steve Chapman - COO

  • Yes, I'll take that, again, Bill. Thanks. This is Steve. So on the first one, I think, obviously, as Matt and Paul outlined, we're feeling very positive about both ACOG and ACMG clarifying their position on NIPT, and we do from direct communication with folks at ACOG, we do expect to see an updated guideline in the near future. But there is a lot of tactics that we can employ in the event that they did drag their feet as you put it. I think one is, focusing more on employer groups that are large customers of these big health plans and they drive a lot of the business and actually have an outsized sharing in decision making. So probably more than 50% of the national payers have a administrative services-only business that makes up a large share of their customer base, and we think that's an opportunity. There is patient advocacy, physician advocacy. I think there is maybe more direct interactions with ACOG that hopefully could put some pressure there. So we feel positive ultimately about the outcome just frankly based on the communications we have with ACOG. I think the second question, it's still pretty early days in the fetal fraction-based risk algorithm that we've rolled out. I think there's a lot of things that we're executing right now, but it's still too early to sort of talk about specific wins from that.

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • I'll make a couple of comments. Thanks Steve. I will make a couple of comments. So first is, there is a political angle on the low-risk coverage as well for those big payers that aren't covering this. And we have been in conversation with a bunch of people who have a certain amount of influence with these larger insurance companies in the political side. We haven't pulled that trigger yet because we're waiting for the strong ACOG guidance to come out. But if the ACOG guidance is as we anticipated it will be, they're often very strongly levers that we can pull that puts additional pressure in a political as well as other sort of more stronger tactics when they are not acting in accordance with a very clear ACOG guidance, because as we know ACOG has been supportive but the guidance is not been as strong as we wanted it to be, and I think if the guidance is as we expect it to be, we can be more aggressive. Okay. Enough said there.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Doug Schenkel with Cowen and Co.

  • Adam Joseph Wieschhaus - Associate

  • Can you guys hear me now?

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • Yes, we can hear you.

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Yes, Doug.

  • Adam Joseph Wieschhaus - Associate

  • Sorry, about that, I was on mute. This is Adam Wieschhaus on for Doug. My first question is a quick one. Did you provide the split of samples for NIPT between high and average-risk in the quarter?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Yes. It wasn't our direct business, Adam. It remained pretty stable at 60% average-risk and 40% high risk.

  • Adam Joseph Wieschhaus - Associate

  • Okay, great. And then, I was just wondering on the liquid biopsy opportunity, you've mentioned that there is both a retrospective analysis potential as well as prospective. How are you guys thinking about those 2 markets in terms of the opportunity or the competitive dynamics in those?

  • Solomon Moshkevich - SVP of Product & Strategy

  • Great. Thanks for the question. This is Solomon. Yes, we see large potential markets on both sides. So one of the key difference is to think about is that the retrospective studies would readout more quickly, first of all, and in some cases depending on how well curated they are and what whether they come from a randomized trial with placebo control, et cetera. In some cases, those studies actually provide enough data to achieve adoption and coverage by itself. On the prospective studies, in that case, we're reading out results to physicians and patients, and it'll take time for those trials to complete and to readout. But just like in the Bristol-Myers Squibb opportunity, could lead to a very attractive and important change in the medical system and something that's good for our business and for our patients.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Alex Nowak with Craig-Hallum Capital.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • I'm jumping between a few calls here. So apologies if this was already discussed. But for 2019, well, I mean, you put up about 30% volume growth or so throughout 2018. So I guess, looking at 2019, what is the fair volume growth rate for the entire business considering what we know today, which is no ACOG, no United, no Aetna? Just try to help us out there.

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Thanks, Alex. So -- it's Mike. We're going to stick to the '19 guide we normally give it in March, so of course, we'll give you a lot more detail there. I mean, what you've seen this year, I think, is what the underlying business can do in terms of an absolute unit growth in that kind of scenario, I believe, that's kind of the steady-state scenario that we've been existing at. So I think that's a good kind of conservative baseline. And of course, as the year progresses, we're going to be out in public settings, and so we'll continue to give updates on that as we move on.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • Okay, understood. And then, I just wanted to touch on the insider selling. So I know there's a lot of different reasons for doing it. But the optics looked kind of strange in my opinion. I mean, you're in front of the biggest catalyst for the company, with that being ACOG, you're out there, you've raised money in the market, you missed the quarter, you lowered guidance. And yet there's still insider selling of the company. So I know this is kind of more of a statement than a question, but I guess, how can investors get comfortable around the fact that there appears to be a lot of good things going on for the company, but the stock is getting sold by the executives?

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • Well, I think that's a totally reasonable question, and thank you very much for asking it. And I'll take that, it's Matt here. So look, the selling that happened was according to 10b5-1 plan. There were a bunch of executives who sold, including myself. And the selling was basically because the share prices picked up a lot. The share prices have been relatively deflated, I think, unreasonably deflated for a long time and there hasn't been selling. I'll speak for myself. There hasn't been selling for me for a very long time. And so when the share price picked up, use of 10b5-1 plan and the price was above the limit. So there was a certain amount of selling. It's just prudent selling. To give you a sense, I think there might have been some miscalculations. If you round the sales, I think, I was around 20% of my total holding, very roughly rounded in terms of stocks and options that were vested and unvested and RSUs vested and unvested. So it's really just prudent selling. You want to diversify to a certain amount, but the vast majority of my and the other executives net worth is wrapped up in the company. And we're very positive on the outlook. I think the company can be incredibly successful. And one just needs to balance that with a certain amount of prudentness. I think if there's any other question there, fire away, I'm very appreciative for the question. Thank you.

  • Alexander David Nowak - Senior Research Analyst

  • Yes. No, understood, Matt. And you might have mentioned this -- Mike, you might have mentioned this in the prepared remarks, but when do you start -- when will you plan to start breaking out the oncology revenue? I know it's small today, but looks like you have over 25 cancer programs ongoing. And it's poised to become a big part of the business, so when will we get more clarity on that?

  • Michael Brophy - CFO

  • Yes. Well, so I think this quarter was a bit of a milestone and that we broke out the book of contracted business. I think that's gotten to a level where it's material and it's worth understanding particularly in light of the other variables we talked about on the call. So just as a general principle, we'd like to guide to variables that really drive the fundamentals of the business and are significant enough to be kind of well understood and well forecasted. And so we're going to evaluate the oncology business over the next quarter and see if it meets those criteria. If so we'll guide to it being more specific. If not we won't because we don't want to mislead you with the variable that can be noisy. I would like perhaps on every quarter, but on a regular basis, provide updates on the contracted book of business that we're seeing. So that's our goal.

  • Matthew Rabinowitz - Co-Founder, CEO, President & Chairman

  • You know what, I'm going to come back to this insider selling question, if I may, because the question took me a little bit by surprise. And I just wanted to make another comment there. There is so many factors that are beyond one's control, there are market factors. There are also some very large uncontrollable factors in the public markets. And I've always said to people you should do things roughly 50% when they're out of your control. So the amount of selling that we saw from the executives of the company was really low actually. From my perspective, having been at the company for a long time and asking a share price at a more reasoned level, selling about 20%, I just feel that's prudent. And I hope that -- you can understand that. But anyway, thank you for the question.

  • Operator

  • Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's question-and-answer session as well as today's conference call. This concludes the program. You may all disconnect, and have a wonderful day.