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  • Operator

  • Greetings, and welcome to the NETGEAR, Incorporated fourth-quarter and full-year 2011 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. (Operator Instructions). As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Joseph Villalta of The Ruth Group. Thank you, Mr. Villalta, you may begin.

  • - EVP of IR

  • Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to NETGEAR's fourth quarter and full-year 2011 results conference call. Joining us from the Company are Mr. Patrick Lo, Chairman and CEO, and Ms. Christine Gorjanc, CFO. The format of the call will be a brief business review by Patrick, followed by Christine providing details on the financials. We will this have time for any questions. If you have not received a copy of today's release, please call The Ruth Group, or you could go to NETGEAR's corporate website at NETGEAR.com.

  • Before we begin the formal remarks, the Company's attorneys advise us that today's conference call contains forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements include statements, among others, regarding NETGEAR's expected revenue, earnings, growth, operating income and margins, tax rates and other projected financial results, share gain expectations, the market for our products, business prospects and competition, research and development efforts, including software development, sales and marketing efforts, market trends and opportunities, our growth strategy, the Company's commitment to research and development, and pace of new product introductions. Forward-looking statements made during the call are being made as of today. If this call is replayed or reviewed after today, the information presented during the call may not contain current or accurate information. Further certain forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, and are based upon assumptions as to future events that may not provide to be accurate. Therefore actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expected or forecast in such forward-looking statements.

  • Further, information on potential risk factors are detailed in the Company's periodic filings with the SEC, including but not limited to, those risks and uncertainties listed in the Company's most recent form 10-Q filed with the SEC. NETGEAR undertakes no obligation to release publicly any revisions to any forward-looking statements contained herein, to reflect events or circumstances after the date hereof or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events. In addition, several non-GAAP financial measures will be mentioned on this call. Information related to the corresponding GAAP measures and reconciliation of the non-GAAP and GAAP measures can be found in our press release on the investor relations website at NETGEAR.com. At this time, I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Patrick Lo. Please go ahead, sir.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Thank you, Joseph, and thank you everyone for joining today's call. NETGEAR finished 2011 on a high note by posting record fourth-quarter revenue and operating profit. Double-digit year-over-year revenue growth was achieved in all three geographic regions, as well as sequential growth in the Americas and Europe, Middle East and Africa, EMEA. We also experienced outstanding year-over-year growth in all business segments, retail, commercial and service provider. We experienced over 21% year-over-year revenue growth in the EMEA and Asia-Pacific regions and over 16% in the Americas, as positive momentum out of the strong third quarter continued into the fourth quarter.

  • Our Americas net revenue was $156.6 million. EMEA net revenue was $125 million, and our Asia-Pacific or APAC net revenue was $27.6 million. APAC revenue was down sequentially due to seasonality in Australia, which is a major part of our revenue in the region. In summary, despite the global economic uncertainty, we were able to achieve worldwide record quarterly revenue, which grew 20% year-over-year. Our success continues to be based on our strength in new product innovation and second-to-none worldwide distribution. Looking at the bottom line for Q4, we recorded non-GAAP net income of $26.5 million, which represents an impressive 65% year-over-year growth and non-GAAP EPS of $0.69 per diluted share, which represents 57% year-over-year growth. Please see the press release for the reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP numbers.

  • In Q4, end-market demand for networking products industry-wide continued to grow globally, and we were pleased to be maintaining above market growth driven mainly by share gains. For the quarter, we continued our high level of shipments with 7.1 million units shipped, and we also introduced 18 new products during the quarter. Channel investment continues to be a key focus for the Company as our first channel is the key strategic asset. By the end of the fourth quarter of 2011, our products were sold in over 29,000 retail outlets around the world, a 1,500 increase over the prior quarter, and our number of value-added-resellers stands around 36,000.

  • Now let's turn to a review of the fourth-quarter results for our three business units. Retail, Commercial and Service Provider. In our Retail Business unit, or RBU we saw healthy growth with quarterly revenues of about $129.7 million, up 2% quarter-on-quarter and up 9% year-over-year. Holiday spending in the US and Europe was strong, as our 900 megabit WiFi router and our WiFi repeaters were stand-out winners. However we did see our US retail channel reducing the shelf inventory to maximize the inventory turns going forward, that's limiting our sequential growth in revenue for the RBU in Q4. However, our distributors serving the online channel picked up the slack in taking on more inventory, to serve the traditional January upswing in our sales.

  • Net revenues in our Commercial Business Unit or CBU came in at $83.6 million in the fourth quarter 2011. This is up 15% year over year. On a sequential basis, our commercial business unit revenue decreased 8%, reflective of a shorter selling period in the quarter due to the holidays in December. On a year-over-year basis, we saw strong growth in switching, network storage, UGMs and campus wireless LANs.

  • In our Service Provider Business Unit or SPBU, net revenue came in at about $95.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2011, up 14% sequentially. This is up an impressive 43% on a year-over-year basis, capping off 102% growth for the full year. At 31% of NETGEAR's total revenue, the SPBU revenue is just about the high end of our historical range, which is 20% to 30% of total NETGEAR revenue. There was the usual year-end CapEx budget spending at our provider customers, and that sequential increase in spending benefited us in Q4. With respect to 2011 as a whole, revenue was a record $1.18 billion for an impressive 31% year-over-year growth, and 2011 non-GAAP net income surpassed $100 million, up 67% year-over-year. We estimate that our markets grew in the range of 5% to 10% for the year, and we believe that we grew considerably faster due to share gains in our key markets. New products and the Company's ability to quickly meet customer demands were the keys to success in 2011.

  • Looking at 2012, we believe the overall market in which NETGEAR participates in, will once again grow in the range of 5% to 10%. On the positive side, more internet-enabled devices are being sold each day, increasing the need for NETGEAR products, which is offset by a difficult-to-forecast macroeconomic environment, particularly in Europe. For 2011, NETGEAR was able to grow at 3 to 4 times the market rate. We believe that maintaining our 2011 growth rate in 2012 may not be likely, as we expect share gains to slow down. However, we still expect to grow well in excess of the market.

  • Looking at our exciting new product introductions, in January at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, NETGEAR was again the recipient of Innovation Honorary Awards. This year, the Media Storage router, the WiFi Dual Band gigabit DSL modem router, and the mobile version of the NETGEAR Genie home network configuration and management tool were all recognized. We remain focused on product development and intend to introduce approximately 20 new products in Q1.

  • Looking into the future, 2012 will be a year of R&D investments with future growth for NETGEAR, as we see several meaningful market opportunities coming in 2013 and beyond, such as mobility, security, cloud computing, virtualization, IP video and home automation, we will increase our non-GAAP R&D spending rate from 4% of revenue in 2011 to over 4.5% in 2012. Almost all of the incremental investment will be in software development, which enables us to provide powerful differentiation against our competition, and also provides us possible entries into new product categories in the future. Also, we will continue to invest in sales and marketing, enabling us to continue to widen our distribution capabilities in the emerging markets, especially in China and Russia. We believe these investment will enable NETGEAR to continue growing faster than the market over the next five years.

  • At the same time we will remain focused on the five key product growth areas we have identified to get us to $2 billion revenue per year. First, it's the TV, tablet, video connectivity products, with simple installation and high performance. And second, network storage with easy-to-use user interface, cloud capabilities, high capacity and resilience. Third, security appliances that carry superior ability to block unwanted internet intrusion, and fourth, DOCSIS 3.0 gateways with more integrated functions, and finally, the 3G and 4G LTE-related repeaters and gateways. Stay tuned as you should expect to hear more about our investments throughout the year. Closing 2011 at nearly $1.2 billion in revenue, we are well on our way to our goal of $2 billion in revenue by 2014. I will now turn the call over to Christine for further details on our financials.

  • - CFO

  • Thank you, Patrick. Let me now provide you with a summary of the financials for the fourth quarter of 2011. As Patrick noted, net revenue for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2011, was $309.2 million, compared to $258.5 million for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2010 and $301.8 million in the third quarter ended October 2, 2011. We shipped a total of about 7.1 million units in the fourth quarter, including 5.9 million nodes of wireless products. Shipments of our wired and wireless routers and gateways combined were about 4.5 million units in the fourth quarter 2011.

  • Moving to the product category basis, fourth-quarter net revenue splits between wireless and wired was about 68% and 32% respectively. The fourth-quarter net revenue split between home and business products was about 73% and 27% respectively. Products introduced in the last 15 months constituted about 39% of our fourth-quarter shipments, while product introduced in the last 12 months constituted about 36% of our fourth quarter shipment. In Q4, our Americas net revenue was $156.6 million, while EMEA net revenue was $125 million and our APAC net revenue was $27.6 million. We are seeing solid growth quarter-over-quarter in North America and EMEA, along with very impressive year-over-year growth in all three geographic regions.

  • From this point on, my discussion points will focus on non-GAAP numbers. The reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP is detailed in our preliminary financial statements released earlier today. Non-GAAP gross margin in the fourth quarter of 2011 was 31.1%, compared to 32% in the year-ago comparable quarter, and 32.4% in the third quarter of 2011. Gross margin was down both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter due to the heavier proportion of service provider business as a percentage of the total revenue.

  • Total non-GAAP operating expenses came in at $58.1 million for the fourth quarter of 2011. Our G&A costs for Q4 2011 were unusually low due to a $1.4 million benefit in professional services expense. However, we do expect G&A to return to normal levels in Q1 2012 and forward. We hired an additional 35 people during the quarter, bringing our total headcount to 791 at the end of Q4. The non-GAAP tax rate was 30.5% in the fourth quarter of 2011, compared to 45.4% in the fourth quarter of 2010, and 20.2% in the third quarter of 2011. Non-GAAP net income was $0.69 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2011, compared to net income of $0.44 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2010 and net income of $0.79 per diluted share in the third quarter of 2011.

  • Our balance sheet remains very strong, ending the fourth quarter with $353.7 million in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments, which was driven by approximately $32.9 million in cash flow from operations. We also continue to maintain a solid inventory position. DSOs for the fourth quarter 2011 were 76 days as compared to 78 days in the fourth quarter of 2010, and 66 days in the third quarter of 2011. Note that we usually experience higher DSOs in our fourth quarter, due to seasonal terms offered to some of our retail customers.

  • Our 10% customers for Q4 and 2011 were Best Buy and Ingram Micro. Our fourth-quarter net inventory ended at $163.7 million, compared to $127.4 million at the end of the fourth-quarter 2010 and $136 million at the end of the third-quarter 2011. The increase in inventory quarter-on-quarter was driven by additional inventory procured so we could be assured of supply during factory shutdown in China due to Chinese New Year, which did come earlier than usual this year. There is also an increase in inventory remaining on the balance sheet associated with increased deferred revenue. Fourth quarter ending inventory turns were 5.2, as compared to 5.6 turns in the fourth quarter of 2010, and 6 turns in the third quarter of 2011.

  • Channel inventory remained at healthy levels. Our channel reports inventory to us on a weekly basis, and we use a six-week trailing sell-through average to estimate weeks of stock. Our US retail inventory came in at 7.3 weeks of stock, a very low level, which we believe is a result of our retail customers trying to improve their inventory turn. Current distribution inventory levels are 9 weeks in the US, reflecting our US distributors' willingness to increase their inventory for the January upswing in online sales. We noted 5.4 weeks of stock and distribution in Europe, and 6.7 weeks in APAC.

  • In summary, our growth strategy of aggressively expanding into new product categories, new geographic regions, and new channels continues to produce positive results. With industry-leading new product introductions, global brand recognition, and extensive distribution, we feel confident in our ability to stay ahead of our competition as we move into the first quarter of 2012. Looking forward to the first quarter of 2012, we intend to roll out approximately 20 new products. Specifically for the first quarter of 2012, we expect net revenue in the range of approximately $310 million to $325 million, with non-GAAP operating margin to be in the range of 11% to 12%.

  • Please also note that our R&D investment will raise our R&D expenses to approximately 4.5% of revenue. We expect our non-GAAP tax rate to be in the range of 30% to 31%. Operator, that concludes our comments, and we can now take questions.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Lynn Um with Barclays Capital. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • I wanted to ask a question on the guidance. Historically, you've guided flattish to down. We see the disty channel came up, as you mentioned. Could you just help us connect the dots in terms of, what's the delta in terms of the guidance, versus your traditional seasonality?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Yes. We certainly see two things. I mean, one, a lot of sales are starting to move online and January is usually a good month for online sales. We see the trend going obviously that way. Secondly, we actually introduced quite a few new products towards the mid-to-late Q4, which we believe are doing very well. For example, we just introduced the Dual Band WiFi Repeater.

  • We also introduced the new Desktop NAS, the Dual and NV+ v2. On the commercial side, we also introduced right before Christmas, a very high-priced performance gigabit layer 2 switch, which we believe that will be very competitive in the market. It defines the price performance, all these new products will have a full quarter effect in Q1. So we believe that all those would add up to help this Q1 to be better than Q4.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then I guess historically your guidance range has been sort of $10 million, was widened a bit this quarter to $15 million. Could you maybe just comment more on your visibility and also perhaps the substance behind the sequential growth for each of the business units next quarter?

  • - CFO

  • As far as the guidance goes, as the numbers keep getting larger and we hit $1 billion we want to guide within a normal range. The reasonable range was getting us to much less percentage of the net revenue and so we widened that range to approximately 5% of the net revenue, so we will guide within the $15 million. And your second question?

  • - Analyst

  • Just assumptions behind sequential growth for each of the three business units next quarter.

  • - CFO

  • We don't really guide as far as the business units grow. We believe they are all going to grow, but we don't really guide specifically on the business units.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Goldberg with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Talk a little bit about the quarter, and looking at, by segment, which segments do you think did better than expected, than what you had planned, who did worse? What surprised you positively or negatively during the quarter?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Well we are not going to give ranked prizes to our GMs. I think they all did very well, all three did as we expect them to do, and the only surprise is that the retail channel, the physical brick and mortar stores, actually were trying to reduce the inventory on the shelves, which we believe is probably the consensus view of upping the efficiency. I think the retailers are all under tremendous pressure to up their inventory turn efficiency, so that they would be probably more profitable and less capital-intensive. So that part, that our number of weeks dropped to 7.3 weeks is a little bit surprise to us, but other than that, on the actual sell-through, we are very pleased with all three segments.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then in terms of your guidance for OpEx, with R&D going to 4.5% of revenue, that seems like a pretty meaningful boost. Do you think you're going to be able to offset that by cuts elsewhere? How should we think about the cost structure or the margin structure going forward?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • No, I don't think we are going to cut anything else. It's just that our chance of getting to 12.5% operating margin is going to be significantly lower. I think going forward, this year, we will stay pretty much within 11% to 12%.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi. Just had a couple questions here. How much impact did the reduced shelf space have on revenue?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Actually, it's not reduced in shelf space. The facings are the same, it's less deep. So let's say, if usually they put four or five deep, they put two, three deep, so there is no lack of shelf space, there is no reduction of shelf space. As a matter of fact, we increased our shelf space pretty measurably in both Best Buy and Staples, and we added shelf space in Office Max, and we entered new shelf space in Costco.

  • So there is no problem of shelf space. It's just a matter of how many deep. So basically, they are more efficient right now in the end-to-end warehousing, from where we deliver to them to get them onto the shelves so they believe that they will be able to turn faster.

  • - Analyst

  • So going forward, we shouldn't see much of a deviation from the current inventory numbers?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Well, for us that we probably want them to get back up a little bit. I mean, of course, we would try to just make sure that we don't leave any money on the table, that we try to get them back up to 10 weeks over time.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then what's the time line -- I know you said on the call that your N900 did well this past quarter. What's your time line as far as keeping pricing on that product unchanged, so you can maximize profit from it?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Well, basically our standard procedure is that if we reduce N900, something new has to replace it at that price point, so as you probably read our press releases in CES, there are two new high price point products that are in the wings, one is the 11ac and then the other one is the Storage Router.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kent Schofield with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you. Looking at the 4Q and look service provider business, it did a little bit better than I think we were expecting, and maybe you were expecting going in. And you mentioned the CapEx flush. Can you talk about what all was driving it, whether it was DOCSIS 3.0 or anything else?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Actually it's across the board, I mean we sell DOCSIS 3.0 gateway, DOCSIS 2.0 gateway as well as DSL gateways, even DSL modems, because we inherited from the acquisition back in April, all of them did more, basic service providers find more CapEx money left over and they want to spend them. They ask us whether we can ship them a little bit more. We say yes, why not. So we were able to supply the demands, and that's why it's probably doing a little bit better than what we originally planned. But not a lot. I mean, we planned most of it.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And do you expect the service provider business to kind of stay towards that high end of the range you were talking about throughout 2012 or should we think about it a different way?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Well, we have always been saying that it's pretty lumpy, and until we win another big account, we have been saying that for the next few quarters, we are going to stay in the range of anywhere between, I would say $85 million to $105 million, that's the lumpiness. So you could see some quarters we would be up in the $105 million, $110 million, and probably see another quarter that we will go down to $85 million to $90 million, but over the next few quarters, until we announce a big win on a new account, that will probably be the range. But over the full year, you could expect that it would be similar to last year with a little bit of growth.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. And then last question, deferred revenues grew really nicely, I think almost 70% year-on-year. Can you talk a little bit about the drivers behind that growth?

  • - CFO

  • Sure. That actually came in a little higher than we would expect, but overall as our historical average is going to go up as our revenue goes up, so there's a significant portion of that's really just based on terms, delivery acceptance, et cetera, and then some of that is our approach to cure deferred and our services deferred. So we do expect that number to come slightly down in Q1.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Kees with Capstone Investments. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Great. Congrats on the quarter. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions. You talked about R&D going up just a little bit. Are you still investing for the CBU? And you talked about, in the past, increasing some money for sales and marketing, because you're targeting firms greater than 75 but less than 250. Are you still going to be doing that in 2012?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Oh, that's not me, we clearly are going to invest in all three BUs, each one of them would have their own requirement of what we call differentiated software development.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. So, all right. So that would be for the R&D as well as for the sales and marketing. Okay.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Yes.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then in regards to the distribution inventory, it's at 9 weeks. I know you said that's in preparation for some online sales in January. That seems kind of high compared to historical standards. Is it reflective of a promotion that's coming up, some kind of program that you have or is it something else?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Yes, definitely in January that is a very heavily promotional month for ordering online, and as the online portion is getting a bigger piece of the overall retail business, the distribution partner supplying them is actually stocking up. But certainly, after Q1 and we will certainly bring it back down because there is no online sales in April.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. Great. All right. That's it. Thanks a lot.

  • Operator

  • Thank you, our next question comes from the line of Rohit Chopra with Wedbush Securities. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Can you come back to APAC and the seasonality there. You said it was due to Australia, but it looks like it's a little bit more seasonal than usual. Are you experiencing anything, or any more aggression from let's say a TP link in the area? I know they have been really aggressive in China and expanding beyond that. Is that partially a cause of the weakness in APAC?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • No, actually in China, we have been gaining share. Still in Australia, and Australia is basically a summer month, and you probably also saw that the latest report, I think a day or two ago, that for some reason in December, the Australian retail customers actually holding back in spending. So I think it's this year's market condition, as was the usual seasonality.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. And then, I just wanted to come back to the increase in R&D. We just had the analyst day, so we have a little bit of an increase in R&D post that. And what I wanted to understand was, is there anything you're seeing in the environment which is making you or forcing you to invest a little bit more than you originally anticipated? Because it's been hanging out at around 4% and you've been growing the business, let's just say well over 20% on the top line, so we've seen R&D increase, it's been increasing generally pretty quickly so I'm just trying to figure out what you're seeing in the landscape that's forcing you to increase investments?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Well, the fact is, in two years by 2014, we will hit $2 billion, so we've got to do something beyond that, right? So if we want to grow beyond $2 billion to get to the next milestone, say $5 billion, we got to start investing in the R&D in preparation of that, primarily in broadening our product categories offering, entering into new product categories. That requires quite a bit of R&D investment of now, and we could afford it. So we see that our current structure will be able to afford it, as in the past year, our operating margin has been over 12% and we have always been saying that let's do 11% to 12%, and maximize our long-term growth. And this is right in the alley so we have -- in preparation of growing beyond $2 billion.

  • - Analyst

  • So nothing unusual there, and then the last question.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • No.

  • - Analyst

  • The last question is just on service providers. There's -- I know this is a little bit different, but we have been hearing all kinds of, I guess, stories about service providers not spending, some are spending, some are spending in different areas. So are you seeing anything different in the service provider spending pattern, as you moved into the new year? I know it was up in Q4, but is there anything different that you guys are seeing? Is there some different ordering pattern? Are they holding back as they try to increase capacity on their networks? Anything that you could see that's going on with SPs?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Our service provider revenue is spread over multiple accounts, so unlike some of our competitors, which are very concentrated in two, three accounts, our service provider revenue is spread over 70 accounts or more, so we don't really see a general trend of behavior among all of them. But on the other hand, we keep saying that is a lumpy business. Sometimes you order more, sometimes you order less. We do not see a correlation between what economy is, what the sentiment of the industry is, versus what our aggregate orders that we received from these 70 service provider customers. We still do believe that we will have sequential growth in Q1 for service provider revenue.

  • - Analyst

  • Thanks, Patrick, Christy.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions). We have a follow-up from Rohit Chopra. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Yes, just another quick question. On gross margin, we talked about mix having an impact, but did the drive issue impact gross margin for the NAS products?

  • - CFO

  • What we mainly did was just increase the price to cover the cost, so I don't think there was a significant impact from that.

  • - Analyst

  • Okay. That's it. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Kees with Capstone Investments. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Hi, guys. Just have a quick follow-up. Just wanted to understand, service provider was up significantly in the quarter. Usually that's -- not usually. That is a lower margin business, and yet operating margin is above what you guided for. Is it just you didn't have to discount as much, or I'm wondering what the dynamics was there, in terms of why operating margin was above guidance.

  • - CFO

  • Yes, I would say our OpEx was slightly lower into Q4 and then in addition to the other businesses were healthy also, so that does do the mix on that margin, but then OpEx was a little bit -- we spent a little bit less.

  • - Analyst

  • Something as simple as that. All right. Thanks.

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions). Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kent Schofield with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

  • - Analyst

  • Thank you. A quick follow-up on the DOCSIS opportunity. Can you talk about where you think we are at in terms of penetration, domestically versus internationally?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • From a pass-through perspective, I think DOCSIS is pretty much close to 70%, 80% but in terms of people subscribing to it, we still in the 20% to 30% range.

  • - Analyst

  • And obviously the 70% to 80% is what's more applicable to you, or how do we think about the 70% to 80% versus the 20% to 30%?

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Certainly the 70% to 80% is more applicable. That means we still got a long way to go.

  • - Analyst

  • Got you. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

  • - Chairman and CEO

  • Great. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. As we mentioned, this year is a different year from what we have previously done, primarily by our commitment to incremental software R&D development for the future growth of NETGEAR beyond the $2 billion mark, and please stay tuned, and we will continue to update everyone as the year progresses, and looking forward to talking to you all again in April. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.