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Operator
Good day, everyone, welcome to the NASDAQ third quarter 2008 earnings result conference call.
Today's call is being recorded.
At this time I would like to turn the conference over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr.
Vincent Palmiere.
Please go ahead, sir.
- VP of IR
Thank you, operator.
Good morning and thank you for joining us this morning to discuss NASDAQ OMXs third quarter 2008 earnings result.
Joining me are Bob Greifeld, our CEO, David Warren, our Chief Financial Officer, President Magnus Bocker, and on the phone is Ed Knight, our General Counsel.
Following our prepared remarks we will open up the line for Q&A.
If you haven't done so already, you access the results press release on the NASDAQ OMX Investor Relations and Newsroom's website at www.nasdaqomx.com.
If you have any follow-up questions after the call, please contact me at 212-401-8742.
Before we begin, I would like to remind you that certain statements in the prepared presentation and during subsequent Q&A periods may relate to future events and expectations and as such constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
I urge you to read the full disclosure statement concerning such forward-looking statements in our press release and other factors detailed in the Company's Form 10-K and periodic reports filed by the SEC.
And with that I will turn it over to Bob.
- CEO
Thank you, Vince.
And thank you for joining us this morning to discuss our third quarter results.
I would like to extend a special thank you to our investors on the West Coast since I certainly realize it is an early hour for you.
During the quarter we continued on our mission to build an organization that leverages our massive scale against extreme efficiency.
By continuing to execute against a well-crafted plan, our performance is strong in what has been difficult times in the markets.
We have been able deliver on our promises of launching new initiatives such as NASDAQ OMX Europe and closing transactions such as our acquisitions of the Philadelphia and Boston Stock Exchanges, however, I would have to state the most significant accomplishments for our Company are those that won't directly appear on our income statement or balance sheet.
As we have executed our plan, we have paid special attention to ensure that we are building a cohesive workforce and integrated team that is solely focused on building a Company, one Company, positioned to be successful in all economic environments.
It is because of this integrated team that we have been able to realize the deal synergies.
Today, we have announced that we have again accelerating the target date to achieve the $100 million in expense synergies from our combination with OMX.
When we originally announced the deal, assuming a 1/1/2008 closing date, we established a target to have expense synergies fully achieved by the end of 2009.
The deal actually closed two months later than we anticipated.
However, last quarter, we accelerated the target date for completion up to the first quarter of 2009.
Today, we are again accelerating the target date to the fourth quarter of this year.
Equally impressive our acquisition of the Philadelphia Stock Exchange accreted to our shareholders during the third quarter, the same quarter in which we closed the transaction.
As you can see, our one team, one Company approach is yielding benefits, benefits for our customers, benefits for our employees, and benefits for our shareholders.
As I mentioned, the NASDAQ OMX Group had a strong third quarter during a time of broad and sweeping global economic challenges.
Our organization is affected on many different levels during uncertain and volatile markets.
On the transaction side, we are net beneficiaries.
However, our issuer business typically doesn't fair as well, since many companies defer capital raising events.
The important thing for us to realize is that we can not control issues on a macroeconomic level, but we can control our own strategy and our long-term growth opportunities.
We focus on what we do best, and that is delivering customer centric products that operate on efficient technology, while maintaining our disciplined approach to managing cost.
It is that focus that has us in a position today of reporting a very strong quarter, one in which our operating results have improved significantly.
During these turbulent times, we have also provided information and guidance to executives of our listed companies.
These executives turn to us for answers with regard to events impacting their stock and to understand how we are working with regulators to ensure that our market continues to operate efficiently and effectively.
And I am proud to report that our technology proved capable of handling dramatic increases in activity during a period of record volumes, without interruptions, and just as importantly, without the need for expensive capital outlays.
Going into the quarter, options volumes handled by our markets reached record levels during the quarter.
The combined volume of equity option contracts traded on the Philadelphia Stock Exchange and the NASDAQ Options Market was 165 million contracts, representing an increase of 54% from the third quarter of 2007, while market share reached 17.9% for the quarter with a high of 19% in the month of August.
Our US cash equities business continued to perform well, matching an average of 2.8 billion shares per day, up 47% from the 1.9 billion shares per day matched in third quarter of '07 and up 115% from the 1.3 billion shares per day we matched in the third quarter of 2006.
Truly amazing growth.
During the quarter, we maintained our leadership position as a single largest pool of liquidity in which to trade US cash equities, matching an average of 29.6% of all volume on our trading platform.
Our share of NYSE listed volume also continued to grow, reaching an average of 23.3% for the quarter up from 18% from the third quarter of 2007.
In the Nordic markets, while value traded declined as market capitalization values have suffered, the volume of trades executed grew and was up nearly 5% when compared to the prior year period to nearly 13 million trades.
We believe the trade volume will continue to grow.
We also recently announced our road map for the Nordic markets.
A road map that includes the introduction of a central counter party clearing service and the implementation of a new high-speed trading platform, the same platform that we use today to power our markets in the US and our MTF in London.
This road map is designed to improve efficiencies in the Nordics and, as a result, should result in growth in trading velocity.
Turning briefly to our listing business.
While we certainly acknowledge it has been -- it has been a difficult year for IPO activity, we are proud to report that we have been very successful in attracting new listings through our market here in the U.S.
Leading these new listings are switches from the NYSE Euronext family of companies, including 16 from the American Stock Exchange and three from NYSE.
Notable switches from NYSE during the quarter were the CME Group, Seagate Technologies and Solara Corporation.
Also Automatic Data Processing, ADP, switched its listing from NYSE to Nasdaq on October 21, 2008, while retaining its three character symbol ADP.
In London, we launched the NASDAQ OMX Euro MTF.
We have recently completed the phase rollout of trading for approximately 650 listed European equities.
Progress is being made faster than we expected.
Order flow and message traffic have been growing rapidly, as average daily order flow value has grown to over $150 billion.
We have over 50 market participants either already trading or preparing to trade, and as these participants come online, we expect volume to continue to grow.
Also in London, we announced our intentions to launch a new listing venue by becoming a recognized investment exchange.
And finally, during the quarter, we did an admiral job of controlling expenses.
With expenses down when compared to the second quarter 2008 and down from the third quarter of last year, our operating margins on a pro forma non-GAAP basis were 46%, approaching levels that we had before we closed on our many transactions this year.
When we look forward, we will continue to focus on opportunities that leverage our core technology platform while delivering increased efficiencies to the marketplace.
To that end, we have recently made a number of investments in our future growth opportunities that are designed to increase the level of activity on our trading platforms.
These include the recent Nord Pool acquisition, which we closed last month.
When this deal closed we acquired Nord Pool's clearing, international derivatives and consulting subsidiaries.
Concurrently we launched NASDAQ OMX Commodities, including Nord Pool's energy and carbon derivatives products.
Through this acquisition, NASDAQ OMX became the world leader in cleared power derivatives volumes.
We also announced an agreement to acquire a 22% stake in EMCF, the European multilateral clearing facility from Fortis Bank.
Our goal with this investment is to reinforce EMCF's position as the leading cash equity central counter party clearing facility in Europe.
We furthered our plans to launch the NASDAQ Clearing Corporation in 2009, using the license obtained in acquisition of the Boston Stock Exchange.
We are launching this business because we believe strongly in the value of competition within the marketplace and plan to focus on improving pricing, service and innovation.
We also made a strategic investment in the International Derivatives Clearing Group, IBCG, which is a start-up business for the clearing of interest rates swaps.
Our goal here is to bring transparency to an opaque market.
Finally, just this week, we announced the acquisition of Bloom Partners, a leading market intelligence firm.
The combination of Bloom Partners, with pinpoint market intelligence, will enable NASDAQ OMX to offer an enhanced suite of intelligent services to listed companies.
So as you can see, the third quarter was an active and productive one for NASDAQ OMX.
I want to remind you that all these achievements that I reported could not have been accomplished without the dedicated efforts of all our employees.
As I mentioned at the beginning of my remarks, we are building a cohesive workforce and this team is focused on building a Company positioned for success.
And as this quarter demonstrates, these efforts are certainly yielding benefits.
I will now turn the call over to David.
- CFO
Thanks very much, Bob, and good morning, everyone.
Thanks for joining us today.
It is very good to be with you.
Net income for the third quarter reported on a GAAP basis was $60.1 million or $0.28 per diluted share.
These results include certain expenses and charges that are nonoperational in nature, including losses on foreign currency contracts, severance costs, merger-related expenses, and impairments and other charges.
Excluding these items, pro forma non-GAAP net income for the third quarter was $109.7 million or $0.52 per diluted share, an increase of 27% when compared to the third quarter of 2007 and up 7% quarter on quarter.
Let me also mention that the pro forma non-GAAP results for the third quarter of last year exclude the gain we recognized from the sale of our investment in the London Stock Exchange.
Changes in foreign currency exchange rates had only a minor impact on our pro forma non-GAAP results for this quarter compared to prior periods.
Comparing to the second quarter of this year, the stronger dollar resulted in a $0.01 per share negative impact on our third quarter results.
Compared to the third quarter of last year, the weaker dollar this quarter resulted in a $0.01 per share benefit to EPS.
As I did on last quarter's calls, while there are a few specifics I want to highlight, I am going to dispense with the detailed review of the performance of each business as I think they are well covered in our press release and have been further amplified by Bob's remarks.
Most of my prepared remarks this morning will focus on the continued strong progress we have made reducing run rate expenses and integrating the OMX and PhilEx acquisitions.
And to say it once, my remarks from here on will address pro forma non-GAAP results unless I state otherwise.
Net exchange revenues for the quarter was $410.6 million, up nearly 7% year-over-year, but down about 2% from the second quarter of this year.
Sequentially, as Bob mentioned, strong volumes in the US cash equity and derivatives market were offset to a large extent by the sharp decline in the value of shares traded on our Nordic markets.
In our market technology business, revenue decreased $13.8 million sequentially.
Most of this variance results from the way we account for market technology revenues.
The majority of our market technology contracts require significant modifications and development before they can be delivered to the customer.
Under US GAAP, we are required to apply contract accounting, which results in a deferral of revenue and expense during the modification period.
Following delivery, revenue expense will be recognized over the remaining period of the contract.
Subsequent to the close of last quarter, we reviewed all technology contracts and found $4 million of revenue and $2.3 million of expense, both pretax, which had not been deferred.
We have adjusted this in this quarter resulting in an $8 million revenue variance.
Expenses were also adjusted so that the total impact of this review is not material to our financial results.
Also contributing to the variance is a onetime license fee of $2 million recorded in the second quarter of this year.
Now turning to expenses.
Third quarter 2008 total expenses on a reported GAAP basis were $233.9 million.
These expenses include a number of charges that mask the picture of how we are progressing on an ongoing operating expense level.
We have included a schedule in our release that provides a reconciliation of our reported expenses to a pro forma non-GAAP result.
Adjusting for a full quarter effect of PhilEx and excluding certain onetime charges, pro forma, non-GAAP operating expenses were $222 million for the third quarter, a quarter-on-quarter decline of $30.4 million or 12%.
Approximately half of this $30 million benefit results from the elimination of technology projects consistent with our synergy plan, which allow us to reduce headcounts, consultants and system expense.
The remaining $15 million of this expense reduction results from the seasonal impact of summer holidays, a stronger US dollar, and the deferral of expenses under contract accounting related to our market technology business.
We expect Q4 expenses to be largely in-line with the $222 million pro forma non-GAAP result achieved this quarter, as further expense reductions flowing from our integration efforts will be offset by the loss of the seasonal benefits experienced this quarter, excluding, of course, the impact on our operations of the Nord Pool acquisition.
The effective tax rate for Q3 was 39.4%, an increase from the 32.3% recorded in Q2.
Q3 non-US earnings included a loss of $50.7 million from the foreign currency contracts related to the Nord Pool acquisition.
Excluding this loss, the normalized effective tax rate in Q3 would have been 35.6%.
The remaining increase in the effective tax rate from Q2 to Q3 is due to a higher percentage of earnings from US sources, including Philadelphia.
You will recall that during our Q2 conference call, I indicated that our tax rate following the acquisition of PhilEx could increase by 1% to 2%.
Let me also say that as a global Company, tax planning is now a more significant factor to our bottom-line and we continue to be very focused on forward-looking strategies to address this tax rate.
Now turning briefly to the balance sheet before I discuss OMX and PhilEx synergies.
Cash and cash equivalents at quarter end were approximately $740 million.
Of this amount approximately $420 million is reserved for regulatory requirements and for our acquisition of Nord Pool.
And we have maintained a very strong balance sheet with ample cash reserves and are in full compliance with our debt covenants.
Cash from operations for the quarter was $166 million.
To finance the Nord Pool transaction that we closed on October 21st, we drew down another $300 million from our existing credit facility.
This incremental borrowing is included in the $2.5 million of debt obligations that is reflected on our September 30, 2008 balance sheet.
During the third quarter, we converted $200 million notional value of our LIBOR based debt through an interest rate swap, establishing a fixed rate of 5.48% through August of 2011.
During the third quarter, we retired $37.5 million dollars of our LIBOR debt and will make an additional required interest payment of $37.5 million in the fourth quarter and $56.3 million of payments per quarter throughout 2009.
So as I stated on prior calls, the scheduled amortization of our term A debt will produce leverage effects and additions to EPS going forward.
Now to synergies.
As Bob discussed, we have made excellent progress on our integration of OMX and expect to achieve the $100 million of annual expense synergies by the end of this year.
To Philadelphia, during our Q2 conference call, I reported that the headcount and compensation actions we had taken at closing would result in the transaction accreting to our shareholders by the end of the year.
While we did take these actions and have realized the savings, what is also true is that the strong volumes experienced in the third quarter brought PhilEx revenues in significantly ahead of projection allowing this acquisition to accrete in the same quarter it was closed.
Here is my math.
Included in our GAAP reported results are revenues of approximately $32 million, expenses of approximately $19 million, and net interest expense of $6.5 million related to the inclusion of PhilEx in our third quarter results from the closing date of July 24th.
This pencils to $0.02 per share.
Simply put, we are executing extremely well and will end 2008 with two major acquisitions integrated into our global operations.
Again, I appreciate your time this morning and your support of NDAQ and I will now turn it back over to Bob.
- CEO
Thank you, David.
Vince, we will open for questions.
- VP of IR
Operator, we will take questions now.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) We will go first to Rich Repetto with Sandler O'Neill.
- Analyst
Yeah, good morning, Bob.
Good morning, David.
- CEO
How are you doing there, Rich?
- Analyst
Doing okay.
I guess the first question is you continue to outperform on the synergy integration side and it looks like we are getting to the point where you are hitting what you have announced.
I guess the question is, is there synergies, quantifiable synergies above and beyond now what we are all expecting in '08?
- CEO
Definitely, Rich.
I think it is important to recognize that we have not yet consolidated platforms through either the Nordic cash equity marketplace or the Philadelphia Stock Exchange platform.
So our plan is to leverage our INET platform, really our modified INET platform for both Philadelphia and cash equities in the Nordic.
As we do that in 2009, that will have a beneficial impact in our expense base.
It is important to recognize that that impact, if you -- if you remember back to INET or Brut, it generally comes in a couple of months after we do the conversion.
- Analyst
Okay.
So we are not really ready to talk any ballpark numbers on that?
- CEO
No, we are not, but I think when you realize that we haven't consolidated the platforms yet, and that is a substantial driver of expenses, there is obviously further opportunities.
- CFO
And, Rich, another driver of expenses less than, obviously, the benefits you get from platform technology are some other actions that we are working on with real estate consolidations.
And as we have said before, as we now integrate these and operate as one Company, we will be able to roll all of this into our outlook of full year expenses for '09, which we will do some time in early '09.
- Analyst
Okay.
I guess the follow-up question would be on Clearing, Bob.
You are doing a lot, the investment in the EMCF and IBCG and clearing appears to be a more strategic value to exchanges.
I guess the question is, I know that -- is there a broader strategy?
Can you tie all this together?
I know the EMCF Fortis was having some problems.
What that just sort of supporting them or is there a broader strategy that you have in your mind?
- CEO
Well, there definitely is because beyond the two that you mentioned, we have obviously stated very clearly that we intend to use the clearing license associated with the Boston Stock Exchange.
And I think it is important to recognize that the Nordic derivatives business is cleared through our -- our clearinghouse today.
And Nord Pool, the Nord Pool acquisition is a, fundamentally a clearing operation.
From a standing start we went to five strategic opportunities and there is a overall plan and it is clear we want to be in the clearing business.
It has similar dynamics to the trading business where we can lever our extreme efficiency as we build scale in this space.
- Analyst
Okay.
And very quick last question is for David.
What is the effective tax rate now if we are upping it by 1% to 2%, but did you do 35% or so pro forma?
- CFO
Well, I think -- again I talked about different tax planning things that we are working on.
But I think the -- I think what you need to use going forward is about where we settled out for this quarter, adjusting for the -- for the FX contracts, so 35%, 36% in that range.
- Analyst
Okay.
Congrats on a solid quarter, guys.
- CEO
Thank you, Rich
Operator
We will take our next question from Dan Fannon with Jefferies.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys.
Want to talk a bit about Europe and what it is happening there and really the overall appetite for your venue and others that have recent been launched given the market turmoil that is going on.
How quickly do you expect volumes to ramp.
And then also some of the impacts of the tariff fees that the LSC has kind of recently put out there in terms of people routing to their exchange.
- CEO
First I would say we see great opportunity in Europe and the post (inaudible) world.
And as we look at the European theatre, we certainly see that the capture rate has been dramatically higher than what we see in the United States and we operate on the premise that within 24 months, the market structure, market pricing will be indistinguishable between the US and Europe.
And we also recognize the opportunity to drive increased velocity into the European marketplace as a result of that.
So there volume and trading, their velocity is not near as what we have in the states and clearly part of that is because of the friction of the trading in the current marketplace.
So just a large opportunity.
We are in it for the long-term.
We are running ahead of plan.
I think it is amazing what our team has done to be live on a five-month plan.
As I said in my prepared remarks, we have 50 customers who have committed to connect to us and we are in the process of making it happen.
And the volume continues to grow.
So we are excited about that.
With respect to the tariff and the LSC, I would say that we are evaluating that right now as we speak and we will be responding in due course with respect to that tariff.
- Analyst
Any thoughts on terms of when this initiative could be accretive to earnings and/or reach a level or what type of volume level we should be looking at our market share to be positive in numbers?
- CEO
Great question.
And the key point to recognize, and it ties back to the overall theme of our operations, is that we are trying to build up what we call massive scale.
So we are putting this incremental volume against the common platform where the marginal costs of the transaction is very low.
And that's also aided and abetted by the fact that we had a London operation.
ALGOMEX had a London data center that we were able to lever.
The all-in cost for us to start our MTF in Europe was remarkably low and, therefore, our ability to get to profitability is surprisingly low with respect to the volumes that we had to do.
So it's certainly our expectation that some time in 2009 on a run rate basis, that this will turn into a profitable endeavor for us.
- Analyst
Okay, great.
Thank you.
Operator
We will take our next question with Roger Freeman with Barclays Capital.
- Analyst
Hi, good morning, Bob and David.
- CEO
How are we doing there, Roger.
- Analyst
Okay.
Thanks.
Let me just come back on Europe a little bit more.
One, you -- you went to basically a zero spread on pricing.
So I am curious what drove that.
Was that due to not getting any traction early -- early on?
And secondly, Bob, I think you commented that you are seeing $150 billion, if I heard that right, in order flow daily.
Can you put that into some context, because if you kind of -- the whole US market, for example, yesterday was $267 billion.
It sounds like a pretty big number.
- CEO
It is a big number.
And obviously recognize, Roger, that orders have the ability to be cancelled and reentered and with the Algo traders that we work with.
So in a real sense, that number is larger as a result of that.
Tying back to your first question, it was part of our, I think, game plan that we have mapped out as we launched the effort that we would be aggressive on pricing.
We wanted to make sure that our systems were -- were ready and we had a certain minimum level of customer account activity before we did it.
So we have a game plan in our mind.
We are following that game plan.
The game plan is not about today, tomorrow or the next quarter.
It goes on for a while.
So we have a plan.
We are executing against it.
- Analyst
So your game plan when you went after the NYSE listed was to offer very attractive pricing to bring volume in and that you may -- you initially routed mostly and then eventually you started actually matching.
Can you just, I guess, talk to whatever order flow has been executed.
What the percentage is that is routing and can actually give us any actual executed volume so far?
- CEO
I don't have those numbers at my ready and that's not what we are using to judge our success right now.
We will provide that in the future, but we look for different metrics to measure our progress at different points in time, and as we did was we competed with New York, the last thing we focused on in the beginning was how much match volume we had.
It really was how much orders are coming into the system and as you are guessing that is our focus right now.
That is the important metric that we manage by.
- Analyst
Has there been any, from a dealer perspective, has there been any pushback on these new venues?
We have heard that there has been some, maybe some broker fatigue and NYSE last week said that they delayed until the beginning of the year because the dealers didn't want to deal with another exchange.
I am just curious what your feedback has been.
- CEO
Well, I think the numbers speak for themselves.
We have 50 customers committed to connect.
Obviously, not all of them are connected at this point, but they are all working with us to connect.
And I think we come into that marketplace with tremendous credibility.
One in that we are an organization that does what we say we are going to do.
Two is the technology is proven and, three, they have known that we would be an aggressor in the marketplace with respect to pricing strategies.
So it has not been difficult for us to get the customer share of mind.
- Analyst
Okay.
Just a couple of back on the US market.
If you look over the past couple of three months, market share really across really all venues has been call it flattish.
There haven't been any real trends.
I guess my question is do you -- do you see some sort of a status quo developing here?
We haven't really seen many meaningful pricing moves either.
Are you -- fair to say you are sort of focused elsewhere, there is no big moves planned on this front?
- CEO
Well, I am not going to give you too many forward-looking statements on what we might do from a pricing point of view.
But I would definitely point out that we will be launching Boston as a second venue and that will give us probably some increased flexibility on pricing without having a direct impact on all the other business that we do.
We expect to launch that in January of 2009.
And I would also say that certainly the trend line for Tape A is very positive and we continue to expect that that will continue.
We have always said that there will be fits and starts and we need to look at the longer term trend line, not day to day, so we are committed to maintaining our progress on Tape A.
With respect to Tape C, we certainly focus on the profitability of that venue for us and we are very pleased with the pricing actions we have taken today.
And we are pleased with our pricing capture in balance with our market shares.
So I think we are capably led in terms of how we are deciding to approach that market.
- Analyst
Okay.
And quickly the sequential decline in pricing can pretty much just be chalked up to the higher volumes and customers hitting higher tiers, is that fair to say?
- CEO
You got it, Roger.
When we have high volumes we never do as well as people think.
When we have low volumes we never do as poorly as people think.
- Analyst
Got it.
Okay, thanks
Operator
OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) We will go next to Brian Bedell with Merrill Lynch.
- Analyst
Hi, good morning, guys.
- CEO
How are we doing?
- CFO
Hi, Brian, how are you.
- Analyst
Just a couple of questions.
One on the cost saves, again, the $100 million run rate is by the end the quarter for OMX.
And then if you can talk about Philly, what your delta is for cost saves in 4Q '08 versus pro forma 3Q '08?
- CEO
Yeah, we haven't given those numbers.
- CFO
Yeah, we haven't given them out, Brian.
I think that -- I think the point about Philadelphia is most of the expense saves given the actions we took, the majority of those expense saves were recognized in this quarter.
And then continue on into the -- into the fourth quarter, because we took all these actions at closing.
But I can come back to you on that.
- Analyst
Okay.
And then just one follow-up on back on Europe again.
Can you talk about how EMCF fits in with your strategy.
I understand that, at least initially, people were reluctant to use the platform as Fortis is going through some difficulties.
Can you just talk about how that has been rectified and what your strategy is with that clearing platform dovetailing with your Pan-European effort going forward from here?
- CEO
Sure.
Well, first, I think the difficulties that Fortis ran into were an opportunity for us to increase our equity interest in the -- the enterprise and I think it is important to recognize that with EMCF, all the participants who were on the system before Fortis ran into trouble are back on the system today.
And clearly, EMCF represents a new paradigm for Pan-European clearing, both from a -- an approach to solving the problem and, two, from a cost structure.
So they are aligned with us as they are aligned with other MTFs in the space, whether it be TRIEX and/or Bats.
So we see this as part of the new wave, just as our MTFs are part of the new wave for Pan-European trading and we are excited to be involved with it and we think it is certainly a great business opportunity for us, but probably more importantly, it is an enabler for increased competition on -- on the trading side.
- Analyst
Okay.
Great.
If I can just ask one more just on market technology.
We understand seasonality impacted the results on the third quarter.
Going to the fourth quarter, should we expect in addition to the accounting issues that you talked about, should we expect some backlog to accrete back into that revenue run rate?
- CFO
Yeah, there are some seasonal effects in the third quarter.
So you would expect some of that to come back into the fourth quarter.
- Analyst
Right, but then also from a product -- from sort of a (inaudible) project pipeline perspective.
- CFO
Yeah, but that's also -- that also is part of the seasonal impact.
As development picks up, delivery increases and more revenue can be recognized.
- Analyst
Okay, great.
Thank you.
- CFO
Thank you.
Operator
We will take our next question from Daniel Harris with Goldman Sachs.
- Analyst
Hi, good morning, guys.
- CEO
How are we doing, Daniel?
- Analyst
I am doing well.
On the Euro MTF, again, one of the things that we saw this past quarter with the LSC having some issues is that the -- it could be people that are now trading on the various MTFs use it more as a trading vehicle rather than a price discovery vehicle.
How do you guys see that changing.
Is there a certain tipping point in terms of market share on any single MTF that is going to be required to make that shift or do you think that there will always be more for the arbitrage plays rather than price discovery?
- CEO
We certainly believe that price discovery will happen outside the primary market.
We also recognize that Rome is not built in a day and that will take some time.
And I think the broad dissemination of market data is part of that building process that has to happen.
So clearly us and the other MTFs have to have a clearly articulated and executed market data strategy for price discovery to break away from the traditional marketplaces.
- Analyst
Do you think that has anything to do with a certain level of market share or it is just a strategy?
- CEO
I think you need dissemination of the data, broadly disseminated.
If you have that and you have connectivity to various routers, than it is very easy for price discovery to move to different venues and I compare and contrast it to what we have here in the United States.
Where in the United States we have a regulatory mandated consolidated quote.
We don't have that in Europe.
I think in Europe, we will get to a better state of being than in the States, because commercial efforts will commence to make sure that there is an effective consolidated quote, and that is part of the mission that we are on to make sure that that infrastructure is built.
- Analyst
Okay.
Great.
Just as a follow-up.
On the NASDAQ Clearing Corp that you guy announced, obviously there is probably a couple different stages of strategy for you guys with regards to what you are looking for.
So two things, one, what is sort of like your early mid and long-term goals here.
And then I think for David, just can you remind us how we should think about the -- the savings, when they should come into your system from a self-clearing mechanism?
- CEO
All right, the first question is with respect to our clearing efforts here associated with the acquisition of the Boston Stock Exchange and its clearing license, we need to get regulatory approval.
And that is the first mission that clearly is a piece of technology that has to be built to support that.
But I think like in many of our endeavors, the long pull will probably be the regulatory approval.
We are starting with that process.
We are shooting for a third quarter 2009 launch.
And hopefully we will be able to beat that date, but right now that is the target date.
All right.
And the second question was.
- CFO
Yeah, I think the second question was -- I think if we go back to -- I think if we go back to prior -- to prior conference calls and conversations we have had about this, we talked about the clearing business and working on that license as a way to save approximately $14 million of clearing charges that we incurred on behalf of our customers.
We really accomplished that benefit when we stepped out of the trades this year.
- CEO
In July.
- CFO
On July 11.
But nonetheless, obviously, it is still important strategically to proceed with that and there will be additional savings when the license is put in place on the routing side of the business.
- Analyst
Thank you.
- CFO
Thank you.
Operator
We will take our next question from David Grossman with Thomas Weisel Partners.
- CEO
How are we doing, David.
- Analyst
You talked a little bit, Bob, about consolidating both the options business and Europe on the INET platform.
Can you give us a framework to think about incremental cost savings that come from that initiative?
- CEO
Well, let me make a general statement.
It is our intention to give expense guidance for 2009.
And the expense guidance we will give will be for the combined organization.
So as I believe we mentioned in the last call, we have driven to the point of value that we articulated with the deal announcements and we are running this as one organization.
So as you look to '09, this one integrated organization will provide expense guidance.
The only thing I am saying in a very general sense today is we have systems left to consolidate and those of us who followed Andy Hughes progress over the last number of years know that as we consolidate systems it has a definite measurable positive impact on expense structure and that will be happening some time during 2009.
- Analyst
Are there any historical data points you can give in terms of Brut or anything like that that would help us at least initially think about that?
- CEO
Yeah, we don't have those numbers at our fingertips, but let us work on getting back to you with some sort of indication, but I would definitely say that the most direct guidance we will give will be as we have this call next quarter.
- Analyst
Fair enough.
On -- I think you have touched on this in the past, but I am wondering if you can just remind us of how to think about the impact of taking the Boston license and offering another tier pricing.
Can you just, again at a high level, just remind us of how that can affect the business?
- CEO
Yeah, two things.
One, understand in the US we talked about the consolidated quote and there's revenue sharing associated with your market share in that consolidated quote, and the revenue share has a quite complicated formula that has a bias toward the low market share venues.
So clearly that is a motivation for the second license.
Additionally, the other license gives us pricing flexibility because we have a high level market share today in -- in Tape A, Tape B, and Tape C through our NASDAQ license and to the extent we make any pricing moves, you are continually trying to regression test to see how that impacts the market share you have.
With the Boston license, we don't have that level of complication.
We will be given, I think, additional flexibility and different experimentation and underpinning all this is that the cost for us to put the Boston license up, because we are levering technology that we have and the systems we have today, is quite low.
- Analyst
I got it.
Thanks.
And then just one last question for David.
I think the question came up earlier about the tax rate.
So is 35% to 36% a fair rate to just use for the fourth quarter?
Or should we -- can we use that going beyond that as well?
- CFO
No, I wouldn't guide to you use it beyond the fourth quarter.
As I said in my -- in my prepared remarks, there are a number of things we are working on from a tax planning perspective, but -- and I think it is our plan to continue to obviously look for opportunities and to update you on those opportunities as -- as -- as we realize some of it.
So I would just guide for one more quarter.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) We go to Mike Vinciquerra with BMO Capital Markets.
- Analyst
Good morning.
Just a question on the OMX side of the business.
The synergies, obviously, you achieved them much faster than expected.
Is there any impact from the fact that the OMX business seems to be underperforming a bit, whether it be because of market conditions or just in general the trading volume and the revenue generation there hasn't, I guess, I would assume, been what would you have hoped for.
Any impact on the expense structure just from that alone?
- CEO
No, good, bad or indifferent, no.
The OMX business model, certainly in the cash equity is, we think, superior to what we have here in the States, where they get paid on value traded.
So over the long-term we are very happy with that model, but clearly we are suffering through that in 2008 with the dramatic declines in the indices.
So no impact on the expense structure, better business model long-term.
We have to live through it this year.
- Analyst
Okay.
The sharp decline in revenue per transaction there on the equity side is strictly related to the value of the market going down?
- CEO
Yes.
- Analyst
Okay, the second question is on your two recent acquisitions here, the Nord Pool and Bloom.
Can you provide any detail for us whatsoever as we look to our models in future quarters as far as what revenue and expense impact might be, at least for Nord Pool, which is obviously already closed.
- VP of IR
Hi, Mike.
We do have in -- in the presentation we do have some financials with respect to Nord Pool, but it is also true that with that transaction just closing, we are definitely working hard on integrating it and can be updating that -- that information as we move forward.
- CEO
And let me just provide some color with respect to the Nord Pool operation.
It currently runs on our technology, old OMX technology.
So we clearly have synergy capabilities there.
It derives a -- a fair percentage of its revenue from a clearing operation and that clearing operation certainly has the potential to be levered together with our Nordic derivatives clearing operation.
I would definitely think of Nord Pool in the context of other transactions we have done with a similar return to our shareholders.
- CFO
Again as Bob and I both have been saying today, that all gets incorporated in the 2009 operating plan and then would be captured in the full year guidance, expense guidance review.
- CEO
Yes.
And we also have a fundamental view that the organic growth opportunities in the markets that Nord Pool serves are probably higher than many of the businesses in NASDAQ OMX today.
The power industry has a great future in front of it and clearly with certain legislative changes, the carbon market could become a very large opportunity for us.
- VP of IR
Hey, Mike, it is Vince.
Just quickly on the numbers that David referenced in our presentations that we have used.
It's in the first eight months of this year $48 million in revenue, $13 million in operating income, and $12 million of synergies.
Operator
We will take our next question from Rob Rutschow from Deutsche Bank.
- Analyst
Hey, good morning.
- CEO
How are you doing there, Rob?
- Analyst
Good.
First question would be also on the MTF in Europe.
You talked about having the 50 customers committed to connect.
So can you give us an idea of how much of existing volume for the existing markets those 50 customers represent.
How many of those you have hooked in currently and when we might expect you to have all 50 fully connected.
- CEO
Okay.
First of all, I will make this broad statement that we expect that 90%, 95%, 99% of the order flow in the European markets will be connected to us some time in 2009.
As we go and meet the customers there and we have built the team to relate to those customers on a daily basis, we are encouraged by the reaction we are getting and the desire of the customers to avail ourselves of these services.
So these are interim checkpoints that we have.
50 is not the end state number.
We expect to cover the entire market.
And I forget the second part of your question.
(laughter)
- Analyst
I mean, I think you sort of answered that.
- CEO
I always like to answer the questions.
- Analyst
Okay.
The other question would just be related to the Fortis clearing arrangement.
Does your ownership stake give you any sort of say or ability to contribute to the operations there or to reduce your own cost of clearing below sort of market rate?
- CEO
Well, I don't want to speak for EMCF, but clearly they have demonstrated leadership on pricing for clearing services in Europe and it is our expectation that that leadership will continue.
That we will obviously have board representation, but I think it is very important to recognize that this is not an enterprise that we have desire to own 100% of.
In fact, we are encouraging other participants to take ownership stakes in the enterprise.
I think you will see that happening in the months to come.
And when we look at EMCF, it is important not just to think about it with respect to what we are doing in London and our MTF, it is probably more important to recognize what it means in the Nordic marketplace.
In the Nordic marketplace this is a brand new service, this central counter party clearing services, and it has the ability to dramatically reduce the cost, the all end cost of trading for participants in the Nordic market, in particular those participants who are domiciled outside the Nordics.
And as we have seen here in the states and we are seeing now in Europe, as you reduce the friction cost in the market, the velocity will increase.
So we expect to get a dramatic benefit from the introduction of central counter party clearing in the Nordic on the trading side and clearly that benefit will be accelerated as we put the INET platform into the Nordics in 2009.
Operator
We will take our next question from Don Fandetti with Citi.
- Analyst
Good morning.
Bob, in terms of your outlook for cash equities, do you think there is going to be any impact from the whole hedge fund redemption issue and maybe you can talk a little bit about who has been more or less active.
We have heard some of the smaller that are players have been absent, can you just talk about those issues?
- CEO
Sure.
They are certainly issues that we think about and talk to our customers about to try to get a handle on what the future might look like.
And what I would say today is that we clearly know that our volume is directly, and I mean very directly correlated to volatility in the marketplace.
So if there is volatility, there is volume and that volume comes from a multitude of players.
Obviously there are many different types of hedge funds, certain give us high volumes and others not to high.
So our feeling is that in the near-term and medium-term, we don't see volatility going back to what we will say are normal levels in the economic times we look at.
So we feel comfortable in that.
As we analyze our customers.
again I think I have said this before, the highest volume customers we have are those that add tremendous amounts of liquidity to the marketplace do not operate in the leverage environment.
In fact, tried to go flat at the end of the day.
That is neither long nor short.
So we feel quite secure with that as an underpinning of our customer base and with continued volatility in the market, that the volumes will continue at a -- at a good rate.
- Analyst
Okay.
That's all I had.
Thanks.
- CEO
Great
Operator
We will go next to Patrick O'Shaughnessy with Raymond James.
- Analyst
Good morning.
- CEO
How are you doing, Patrick.
- Analyst
Good.
Wanted to ask you about the DTCC/LCH Clearnet announcement that they are going to basically join forces.
Do you think that is a reaction to some of the stuff that you have taking both in US and Europe and I guess the follow-up to that would be how do you see it affecting you if at all?
- CEO
I would say this, when we look at the clearing space, there has been an absence of real competition.
So when that happens, it is clearly inefficiencies that can build in the various competitors in the space.
We are quite comfortable and confident in our ability to bring a competitive product offering that will be cost effective that can truly represent innovation in the service.
So when you look at the fact that we went from a zero clearing opportunities to now where we have five different efforts, you can definitely conclude that we see large opportunities to bring a traditional NASDAQ OMX competitive spirit, leading with efficiencies, driving value to our customers, and I think that value proposition is there whether there are mergers between competitors in the industry or not.
- Analyst
Got it.
And then my follow-up question would be on the Agora-X joint venture that you have with SC Stone, I believe, there's news out the last week that it is going to be seeking permission from the regulators to launch a swap on some egg products.
Curious if you can provide an update on where you see the Agora-X venture going and how soon do you think it might be alive and what you think the impact might be for you.
- CEO
I will let Chris handle this question.
- EVP Transaction Services
Thanks, Bob.
On Agora-X obviously we are very excited about the venture and the position that they sit in, certainly on the over-the-counter commodities.
And they have asked the CFTC for an exemption to allow over-the-counter commodities, certain soft swaptions to clear through centrally cleared clearinghouses that are regulated by the CFTC.
So we are waiting for that exemption to be analyzed by the CFTC.
The plan right now for Agora-X is to launch in this quarter with, obviously, over-the-counter trading that are bilaterally cleared first.
So we are excited about that near-term launch right now.
- Analyst
Great.
- CEO
Thank you, Chris.
Operator
We will take our next question from Mike Carrier with UBS.
- Analyst
Thanks, guys.
Actually two questions kind of related.
But just on the European platform and then also on the NASDAQ options.
Is there a certain level of volume where you feel like you are going to be breaking even, and if we get into 2009 and volumes pull back, do you think that you have enough synergies from kind of consolidating the platforms that you can still breakeven there?
And probably a bigger picture question, and maybe this is for David, if -- if we do eventually in 2009 get the 15%, 20% pull-back in volumes, how are you guys balancing -- you have a lot of initiatives where you needed to spend for maybe a good 2010 as volumes normalize, yet you may be under pressure in the short-term, if you do get that decline in volumes, just on the expense base, besides variable comp, maybe volume related expenses.
What areas do you think you could pull back on and not put at risk any of the longer term initiatives?
- CEO
Great question.
So, one is we'll certainly agree to acknowledge that we are investing for our future in -- in several very important ways and that makes the results that we have printed today that much more exciting.
So in a real sense we have more money going to investing in our future than I recollect during my time here at NASDAQ.
We are committed to being in the US equities clearing space and we are committed to that investment.
We are committed to growing a make or take a pricing model in the option space.
We have a long-term commitment to the European market, to the European MTF market, and we clearly believe there is opportunities in over-the-counter derivatives, in particular with interest rate swaps, and we are committed to that investment.
And I think our track record on -- in these types of investments are incredibly high and we are very comfortable with the fact that we are properly positioned in each and every one of them.
And these will provide returns to our shareholders in the quarters to come.
As we look at 2009, we are certainly benefited by the fact that we are still on our mission to essentially right-size the expense structure in this organization.
So if we look at a difficult 2009, we clearly still have many levers to pull on the expense side that we are working on today.
It is impossible for us to predict what the volumes will be in 2009, but as I have said, we see that volatility is a direct driver of our volumes and we continue to live in volatile times.
And I think it is a reasonable guess that we will have that for the quarters to come.
- Analyst
Okay.
Just one quick follow-up for David.
If I just look at the operating net income.
I think the adjusted, the 109.7 and then the diluted share count at 214.2.
Is there anything else in there, because if you just divide that you get $0.51.
I am just trying to figure out if there is a different adjustment to get to the $0.52.
- CFO
Yes.
You have to add back the interest on the converts, which is about $600,000, $700,000 that will -- that will take you up a bit.
Operator
We will take our next question with [Justin Check] with Rosenblatt Securities.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys.
Thanks for taking my question.
- CEO
How are we doing there, Justin.
- Analyst
Doing well, thanks, Bob, how are you..
- CEO
I remember you being on the other calls.
Now you are on the investor calls.
- Analyst
I have crossed over to the dark side.
Just quickly on the -- on credit derivatives.
You guys are the only major kind of global multi-product exchange group that hasn't entered a dog in this race.
Do you have any plans to try to solve the problems that the regulators in the industry have identified in credit default swaps?
- CEO
Today we do not.
We are clearly focused on a number of different clearing initiatives.
We've liked the initiatives we have chosen to focus on and at this point it does not include credit default swaps.
- Analyst
Any chance that that might change.
Is it a situation that you are at least monitoring?
- CEO
We certainly monitor it.
That is our job to understand what is going on in our space, but we don't see that as being a situation that will change in the foreseeable future.
- Analyst
Great, thanks a lot.
Operator
We will take our next question from Edward Ditmire with Fox-Pitt Kelton.
- Analyst
Good morning, guys.
- CEO
How are we doing?
- Analyst
Could I get an update on your latest thoughts of what -- what the markets and the regulators might do as far as implementing a short sale restrictions that might include a reinstatement of the uptick rule or the single stock circuit breakers that have been discussed in the media.
Where do you think that is going and if you could talk about what volume impacts might result.
- CEO
The first thing I would say is that whether it be an uptick rule or circuit breaker, we don't see that having any impact on volume.
It is the outright ban of short selling that creates a volume issues and also market quality issues and we don't see that coming back.
So these issues are not so much economic for us but more about the proper market structure.
And I believe the dominant fact that needs to be focused on right now is the fact that since the SEC put in their rules limiting the ability or limiting or eliminating the ability to make it short, we have seen the number of stocks on the threshold list decline from 443 to 95.
So it is a clear indication that the rules are working.
I think we will see that number go down even further.
So we are happy from a market quality point of view, but whatever is contemplated won't have any impact on our trading volume?
- Analyst
Just one follow-up on that.
Some people have put out there an uptick rule that would have rely on nickel increases and the price on the last tick before allowing a short sale.
Would a very onerous uptick rule like that impact volumes?
- CEO
First, I think if we do anything like that it would have to go through a comment and review process from the SEC.
I think that comment period would be long and certainly a lively debate if it was to come about.
But, again, we see the only substantial impact to volume is when there is a ban on short selling, not so much any restrictions.
Operator
That does conclude today's question-and-answer session.
At this time, I would like to turn the call back to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks.
- CEO
I certainly thank you for your time here today and we look forward to talking to you in three months.
Thank you.
Operator
Once again, that does conclude today's call.
We do appreciate your participation.
You may disconnect at this time.