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  • Operator

  • Hello, and welcome to the MaxLinear Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. (Operator Instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

  • It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Brian Nugent. Please go ahead.

  • Brian D. Nugent - Head-IR

  • Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's conference call to discuss MaxLinear's second quarter 2020 financial results.

  • Today's call is being hosted by Dr. Kishore Seendripu, CEO; and Steve Litchfield, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Corporate Strategy Officer. After our prepared comments, we will take questions.

  • Our comments today include forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws, including statements relating to our guidance for third quarter 2020 revenue, third quarter revenue growth expectations in our principal target markets, GAAP and non-GAAP gross margin, GAAP and non-GAAP operating expenses, tax expense and effective tax rate and interest and other expense.

  • In addition, we will make forward-looking statements relating to trends, opportunities and uncertainties in various products and geographic markets, including, without limitation, statements concerning opportunities arising from our announced definitive acquisition agreement for Intel's Home Gateway business, growth opportunities for our wireless infrastructure and connectivity markets and opportunities for improved revenues in our broadband markets.

  • These forward-looking statements involve substantial risks and uncertainties, including risks related to our proposed acquisition of Intel's Home Gateway business, such as integration and key employee retention risks as well as those arising more generally from competition, global trade and export restrictions, potential supply constraints, the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, our dependence on a limited number of customers, average selling price trends and risks that our markets and growth opportunities may not develop as we currently expect and that our assumptions concerning these opportunities may prove incorrect.

  • More information on these and other risks is outlined in the Risk Factors section of our recent SEC filings, including our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2019, and our second quarter 2020 Form 10-Q, which was filed today. Any forward-looking statements are made as of today, and MaxLinear has no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. The second quarter 2020 earnings release is available in the Investor Relations section of our website at maxlinear.com.

  • In addition, we report certain historical financial metrics, including net revenues, gross margins, operating expenses, income or loss from operations, income taxes, net income or loss and net income or loss per share on both a GAAP and non-GAAP basis. We encourage investors to review the detailed reconciliation of our GAAP and non-GAAP presentations in the press release available on our website.

  • We do not provide a reconciliation of non-GAAP guidance for future periods because of the inherent uncertainty associated with our ability to project certain future charges, including stock-based compensation and its associated tax effects. Non-GAAP financial measures discussed today do not replace the presentation of MaxLinear's GAAP financial results. We are providing this information to enable investors to perform more meaningful comparisons of our operating results in a manner similar to management's analysis of our business.

  • Lastly, this call is also being webcast, and a replay will be available on the website for 2 weeks.

  • And now let me turn the call over to Kishore Seendripu, CEO of MaxLinear.

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • Thank you, Brian, and good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased to report Q2 financial results ahead of our initial guidance. Q2 2020 revenue was up 5% sequentially to $65.2 million, with strong gross margins of 63.7% and operating cash flows of $9.3 million.

  • In Q2, our Connected Home business stood at 45%, infrastructure at 29% and industrial and multi-market at 26% of overall revenues. Our business outlook heading into second half has greatly improved, with tailwinds in our cable data backed up by strong bookings for Q3. They are benefiting from the demand for greater bandwidth at home in a transformative work-from-home environment that we believe is an emerging long-term trend. We also saw a snap back in demand for our high-performance analog products following a Q1 low.

  • Still in Q2, there were some pockets of weakness due to COVID-19 in our wireless backhaul markets. Despite the challenges related to COVID, our geographically diverse team is successfully executing on critical strategic engineering initiatives and customer milestones in 5G wireless, optical data center and high-performance analog markets.

  • We are excited about our upcoming acquisition of Intel's Home Gateway business, which is expected to close in Q3. This acquisition more than doubles our TAM to about $5 billion. It consists of industry-leading DOCSIS, 10G PON fiber and Ethernet broadband access Gateway SoC technologies, along with the state of the art Wi-Fi 6E platform solution. Combined with their ongoing 5G wireless and optical data center infrastructure initiatives, we are ideally positioned to address all the network bandwidth expansion opportunities and bottlenecks in the cloud as well as into and throughout the home. The rapidly expanding work-from-home mandates due to COVID-19 are driving bandwidth upgrades, which will strongly benefit our core Connected Home business as well as our companion Intel Connected Home division acquisition.

  • Turning to some of the other highlights. In optical data center, we continue to support the industry's first 400-gig PAM for deployment at our Tier 1 hyperscale data center customer. While this ramp has seen a slight delay, we remain encouraged by our customers' progress. And as mentioned earlier, expect to see revenues in the second half of this year.

  • We are also seeing strong adoption and continued progress with Tier 1 customers for our 100-gig PAM4 offering leading to early revenues in this year. We believe that single lambda 100-gigabit, 400-gigabit PAM4 solutions will dominate cloud and edge data center deployments over the next several years, and we are well positioned with our early traction.

  • Turning to 5G wireless infrastructure. I'm excited to announce that we have started sampling our second-generation 5G wireless RF transceiver product, which is the industry's first 8x8 MIMO RF transceiver in 14-nanometer CMOS. Our 5G RF transceivers of the highest performance, double the bandwidth at 400 megahertz and superior system-level integration and power consumption versus competition. We are working aggressively to get our lead customers to market, bolstering the confidence in realizing initial 5G revenues in 2020 and strong multiyear growth beyond.

  • In wireless front haul and backhaul transport, we witnessed a slowdown in the first half of the year, potentially due to COVID-19 related installation delays. However, we do expect to pick up starting in Q3. We continue to see a push towards E-band spectrum deployments and channel aggregation features. We are in a very good position to capitalize on these favorable trends with our 20-gigabits per second millimeter wave dual modem and RF SoCs. We expect multiple OEMs to launch new products with these features in the second half.

  • In closing, our organic initiatives in 5G wireless, optical data center and high-performance analog markets, along with the upcoming Intel Home Gateway business acquisition, will uniquely benefit MaxLinear shareholders by addressing and expanding target addressable market of challenging broadband connectivity and network infrastructure platform applications.

  • With that, let me turn the call over to Mr. Steve Litchfield, our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Corporate Strategy Officer for a review of the Q2 results and our forward guidance.

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Thank you, Kishore. I will first review our Q2 2020 results and then further discuss our outlook for Q3 2020. On revenue of $65.2 million, we saw our Connected Home business down 10% sequentially materially less than expected, with declines in our legacy business, partly offset by the improvement in MoCA demand, cable data was down slightly.

  • Our infrastructure business grew 15%, driven by a strong recovery across our HPA products and an uptick in high-speed interconnect demand, offset by continued macro weakness in wireless backhaul deployments.

  • Our industrial and multi-market business was up 38% sequentially as demand returned after an unusually weak Q1, owing to the COVID dynamic and related distributor inventory reductions.

  • GAAP and non-GAAP gross margins for the first quarter were approximately 50.2% and 63.7% of revenue, respectively. This compares to GAAP gross margin guidance of 49.0% to 49.5% and non-GAAP gross margin guidance of 63.5% to 64%. The delta between GAAP and non-GAAP gross margins in the second quarter reflects primarily the amortization of $8.6 million of purchased intangible assets from previous acquisitions.

  • Second quarter GAAP operating expenses were approximately $55.5 million, which was slightly above our GAAP guidance of $54.0 million to $55.0 million, due primarily to higher stock-based compensation expense. GAAP operating expenses included stock-based compensation and stock-based bonus accruals of $15.2 million combined. Amortization of purchased intangible assets of $5.5 million and acquisition costs of $2.1 million.

  • Non-GAAP operating expenses were $32.6 million, which was up $0.9 million sequentially due primarily to annual merit increases, impacting payroll and higher prototyping expenses partly offset by lower travel expenses. This was at the low end of the non-GAAP guidance of $32.5 to $33.5 million as a result of continued disciplined expense management. We have been successfully managing the spend during the transitional period with trailing 12 months non-GAAP OpEx down 11% year-over-year.

  • Moving to the balance sheet and cash flow statement. Our cash flow generated from operating activities in the second quarter of 2020 was $9.3 million versus $6.6 million generated in the first quarter of 2020. Our loan balance remains at $212 million, and our net leverage ratio was 1.7x. We remain consistent in our intentions around our uses of cash with priorities on debt pay down and strategic acquisitions.

  • Our days sales outstanding for the second quarter was approximately 58 days compared to 66 days in the prior quarter. Our inventory turns were flat at 4.0.

  • That leads me to our guidance. Our guidance excludes the acquisition of Intel's Home Gateway business. We currently expect revenue in the third quarter of 2020 to be approximately $72 million to $76 million, up 13.5% sequentially at the midpoint of the guidance range. We expect Connected Home revenues to be up roughly 20% quarter-over-quarter, with growth driven primarily by cable data.

  • We are expecting tailwinds from the work-from-home dynamic as well as new customer program ramps in the second half of the year. We are working closely with our suppliers to fulfill the increased demand.

  • We expect infrastructure revenue to be up roughly 10% to 15%, primarily driven by the recovery in backhaul demand after 2 weak quarters.

  • We expect our industrial and multi-market to be flat to up 5%. We expect third quarter GAAP gross profit margin to be approximately 51.5% to 52.5% of revenue and non-GAAP gross profit margins to be approximately 63.5% to 64.5% of revenue, up slightly. As a reminder, our gross profit margin percentage forecast could vary plus or minus 2% depending on the product mix and other factors.

  • Even as we are focused on reducing our run rate spend levels, we continue to fund strategic development programs targeting at delivering strong top line growth in 2020 and beyond, with particular focus on infrastructure initiatives and our stated goal of increasing the operating leverage in the business.

  • We expect Q3 2020 GAAP operating expenses to increase approximately $5 million quarter-on-quarter to a range of $60 million to $61 million, driven mainly by acquisition and integration costs. We expect Q3 2020 non-GAAP operating expenses to be up approximately $0.4 million sequentially to a range of $32.5 to $33.5 million.

  • We expect GAAP tax expense to be approximately 0, and our non-GAAP tax rate of 6%. We expect interest and other expenses in the quarter to be $2.1 million to $2.2 million.

  • In closing, we are pleased to report continued progress in our infrastructure initiatives with expanding design engagements in the data center market and expanding adoption of our E-band modems and RF transceivers in the wireless backhaul market. And further engineering and customer milestones in our 5G massive MIMO transceiver platform. We're encouraged to see a considerable recovery in our high-performance analog offerings as end market dynamics improve from COVID-19 impacts.

  • The broadband business, as expected, has seen a nice recovery in 2020, but the work-from-home environment is driving an acceleration of this recovery. We remain focused on maintaining strong profitability and cash flow generation while continuing to execute on our organic infrastructure investments.

  • With these existing initiatives along with the financially and strategically compelling acquisition in the Intel acquisition, we believe that we're uniquely positioned to deliver strong leverage in our business in 2020 and beyond.

  • With that, I'd like to open up the call for questions. Operator?

  • Operator

  • (Operator Instructions) Our first question today is coming from Quinn Bolton from Needham & Company.

  • Quinn Bolton - Senior Analyst

  • Kishore and Steve, congratulations on the nice results and the strong third quarter outlook. Guys, I wanted to start with the Connected Home business, up 20% sequentially. Can you give us a sense, is that primarily driven by one cable MSO? Or is it pretty broad based? And if it is sort of driven by one MSO, do you feel that your share is normalizing at that cable operator with the ramp of the latest generation products? And then I've got a follow-up.

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • Thank you, Quinn. Our demand is broad-based on the operator side. It's not one particular MSO. We are seeing some TAM expansion happening right now with all the MSOs, especially in North America. And we are also well positioned based on the backlog that we are going to start gaining share in the other MSO. So -- we're also seeing, in general, a very, very healthy booking for Q3 and beyond. So we feel very good that the recovery is in progress right now.

  • Quinn Bolton - Senior Analyst

  • Great. And then the second question. It sounded like the high-speed interconnect business was up in the second quarter, but you didn't mention it as a driver of growth in the third quarter. I was wondering, you had mentioned that there might have been a slight delay at your lead 400-gig customer. Can you give us an update there sort of -- and specifically, are you guys through the interoperability testing at that customer or are you still in the interop testing phase?

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • So I think that as we look forward to optical data center, whatever revenues we are speaking about, it's more to give you color on how things are progressing. But they're not meaningfully different. It's just a bit volatile based on sample quantities or beyond. We have some revenues in TIAs and drivers, that -- those are the sort of buckets in which we have the high-speed interconnect revenues. So really speaking, we've always talked about these major hyperscale data center transition to 400-gigabit. We are still in the interoperating phase. When you speak of us, we talk about our module customers. And really, it's not much in our hands. It's about the qualification process of the hyperscale data center. How these module vendors are progressing with their -- they need to reach a certain yield and so on and so forth and reliability of supply before that can meaningfully take off.

  • So at this point at a chip level, we are just supporting our customers as much as we can, but ultimately, they have to be ready with their manufacturing capability.

  • Quinn Bolton - Senior Analyst

  • Understood. Congrats, again, guys.

  • Operator

  • Our next question today is coming from Tore Svanberg from Stifel.

  • Tore Egil Svanberg - MD

  • Good job on turning around here. First question on Connected Home. So that business will be slightly more than $30 million in Q3. Could you talk a little bit of -- is there still some legacy mix in that $30 million? Or is it becoming de minimis at this point?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Tore, it's Steve. So I think -- so the legacy piece is becoming smaller, no doubt about that. And the pickup that we've seen, we highlighted that it was really cable data. Some of the weakness that we saw in Q2 was driven by some of the legacy demand. But it is becoming less and less. I mean one of the legacy areas, I mean, we talked about satellite, and that's becoming a much smaller percentage of the business. I mean, consistent with our earlier remarks, that would be less than $10 million this year.

  • Tore Egil Svanberg - MD

  • Very good. And you mentioned a second-generation to Telluride. I was just hoping maybe you could talk a little bit about what that means from a market perspective. Because obviously, this is going to be an 8x8 part. So -- and maybe also talk about when you expect that product to generate meaningful revenue.

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • So Tore, I think you misspoke, you're referring to 5G wireless. Yes, we launched the first 8x8 MIMO radio transceiver. The industry from a cost perspective, has decided that more integration is warranted to reduce the cost of 5G deployments. And as 5G deployments have delayed a bit, the industry's focus has shifted to the 8x8 platform. So suffice it to say that for the most AAS application, which is a large, large MIMO configurations, 8x8 will become the mainstay. So we were -- we are in a competition to be among 3 players -- amongst 3 players who would be sampling this particular chip. And we are ahead because of a technology lead in the CMOS node. At the same time, for us, it was very, very expeditious to execute on this 8x8 solution, given that our first-generation products was a 4x4.

  • Regarding revenues, we expect the 4x4 to generate initial revenues towards the end of the year. And really, mass revenues, really, we are counting on the 8x8 to generate when the platform is fully adapted and ramped by the end of the first half of next year, sometime in the middle of next year. Okay?

  • Tore Egil Svanberg - MD

  • Right. And just one last one. Could you just give us an update on the timing of the Intel acquisition? You mentioned obviously, closing in Q3, but any update on the timing and any other hurdles that you have to pass at this point?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes, Tore. So not a whole lot to update here. We are, as we mentioned in the press release, confident that we'll close this in Q3. no more regulatory approvals, so comfortable on that front. And so just working through the final work council issues. And so we hope that we'll be announcing that soon.

  • Operator

  • The next question is coming from Ross Seymore from Deutsche Bank.

  • JiHyung Yoo - Research Associate

  • This is Ji for Ross Seymore. The industrial and multi-market did quite well, growing 38% sequentially. So I guess beyond the third quarter, how do you see the IMM segment progressing? Was it some pull-in of demand? Or I guess, how would you characterize IMM for the second half of the year?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes, Ji. So yes, we did see a nice recovery. We have seen quite a bit of weakness in Q1 of this year. And so we had already seen bookings picking up in early part of the second quarter. And demand remained very strong throughout the quarter and continues today. So I'm encouraged by the recovery that we've seen. As we look out into Q4 and into 2021, I mean, I'm optimistic that we start to see this kind of back to some normalcy. We definitely saw -- I mean, what amounted to is a real snap back at the beginning of the quarter, but demand has continued, sell-through has been good. And so like I said, hopefully, we'll see some stabilization in this market soon.

  • JiHyung Yoo - Research Associate

  • Okay. And just a housekeeping. I guess, it looks like CapEx as well as stock-based comp was up sequentially quite a bit. So can you talk about how those should trend in the third quarter?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes. I mean, CapEx is consistent with what we've talked about. We've talked about it being about $10 million a year and really no major developments on that front. Stock-based comp, definitely was up in the quarter. A lot of that was driven by some of the performance shares and so I wouldn't expect that level of an increase in the future. It was down slightly in Q1, definitely saw an increase in Q2, but shouldn't expect to see that going forward.

  • Operator

  • Next question today is coming from Christopher Rolland from Susquehanna.

  • David Wayne Haberle - Associate

  • It's David Haberle on behalf of Christopher Rolland. I guess on Connected Home, as we think about some of the legacy business and the headwinds dissipating there, and I understand from Tore's question earlier that this is not de minimis at this point. But you do have a nice, strong kind of tailwind from work from home. How are you thinking about growth in this market going forward? Is Connected Home, like, do you believe it's bottomed here in 2Q? And can growth from work-from-home trends and cable offset kind of the legacy headwinds that are still ahead of you?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • David, yes. So it is encouraging. I think coming into this year, we were really expecting this business to stabilize and kind of get back to low single-digit growth rates in 2021. So work from home, I think, has definitely accelerated that. And I think the question to me is, I mean how long does that continue, right? Or how much increased growth that we can see. Because it doesn't seem like -- it seems like the economy in general and a lot of the language and many companies out there looking for long-term solutions with work from home. So I think this could continue for some time. But I think, ultimately, getting back to kind of low to mid-single-digit growth rates is where our expectations would be. But maybe just I guess, alleviate some concern. I mean, the legacy business, I don't see that as a headwind at all. I mean really have no problems with that. I mean this is dominated by the cable data business as well as connectivity. And so I don't see that as problematic whatsoever.

  • David Wayne Haberle - Associate

  • Understood. And then for my follow-up, I wanted to ask about MoCA. There is a comment in the queue about Connected Home down year-over-year and partially attributed to MoCA, shipments going to a pause in the ramp. I think you called out that it was up quarter-over-quarter. I just want to see if there's any incremental color on MoCA. Kind of where you stand with your large customer in the ramp there? And are there other customers like the breadth of that product?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes, sure, sure. Yes. No, MoCA, we're actually very excited about MoCA and that ramp with the large customer going forward. We definitely saw strong growth in 2019, saw that pause that we had talked about kind of coming into the first half of the year. Those guys are still struggling a little bit with deployments within the work-from-home environment. And so that has created some, I think, short-term issues, but I think those are getting resolved, and that's why we're excited about seeing that pick back up in the second half of the year.

  • Operator

  • Next question today is coming from Tim Savageaux from Northland Capital Markets.

  • Timothy Paul Savageaux - MD & Senior Research Analyst

  • Congrats on the results and outlook. One question. You mentioned, pardon me, with an infrastructure, a pickup in high performance analog. I think that's the TIA driver stuff that you referenced. But with backhaul down, I wonder if you could talk a little more granularly about what sort of applications are driving that pickup in the HPA business? That's one question. And the other one is, did you have any 10% customers in the quarter? And if so, how big?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes. So with regard to the drivers, I mean, so yes, infrastructure was up quite a bit. A lot of that was driven by the HPA recovery, right? So we had seen some weakness in the first half. The first quarter, saw a nice improvement there. And I think we expect to see that kind of pick up in the second half of the year. And so I mean, as far as giving more granularity, I mean, we've talked about -- I mean, some of the drivers there is the server business. For example, there's other business there like remote radio heads is another one. I mean there's a number of different areas that we sell into infrastructure, but those are probably the 2 largest. So I mean, the one customer that we have is CommScope. And so they've been the largest and continue to be.

  • Operator

  • Next question today is coming from Bill Peterson from JPMorgan.

  • Alexander Kim - Research Analyst

  • This is Alex Kim dialing on behalf of Bill Peterson. I just had a question on the infrastructure side. For full year growth outlook, are you still on track for mid-single-digit growth around, like 5% to 9% year-over-year for 2020?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • I'm sorry, Alex, you're going to have to ask that. You broke up a little bit.

  • Alexander Kim - Research Analyst

  • So I just had a question on the infrastructure side. Are you still on track for mid-single-digit growth around 5% to 9% year-over-year growth for 2020?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes. So we've kind of talked about this a little bit, just giving one quarter's worth of guidance. I mean coming into Q2, we are expecting to see improvements kind of throughout the rest of the year. And I think we continue to be confident in that. I mean the one piece that was a little bit different than our expectation was wireless backhaul was weaker than expected in the quarter. But that being said, I think the backlog and the visibility that we have there, we do expect to see nice upticks in Q3 and Q4.

  • Alexander Kim - Research Analyst

  • Got it. And then on the wires side with the Amazon ramp in the second half, what do you think is like the revenue opportunity there?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • So we haven't broken out exactly what that revenue number would be. I still think it's relatively small numbers in Q3 and Q4 and then start to see a more material contribution in the first half of 2020 -- '21, sorry.

  • Alexander Kim - Research Analyst

  • Okay. Got it. And then what are your thoughts on cloud spending being sustainable for the second half? I know you mentioned that you've seen a slight delay with your Tier 1 customer. Can you just talk about the overall market in terms of cloud spending being strong for the second half.

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes. Alex, we're probably not the best positioned to comment on that. But I mean, I think with regard -- we talked about our slight delay, and I think there's a number of reasons, just kind of market environment as a whole. But I would -- this is all incremental revenue to MaxLinear. So I don't know that we're kind of the best positioned to comment because we really don't have any downsides because it's all upside and incremental revenue to our business.

  • Operator

  • Our next question today is coming from Ananda Baruah from Loop Capital Markets.

  • Ananda Prosad Baruah - MD

  • Congratulations on the solid quarter and the strong execution. I have 2, if I could. Just starting back out with Connected Home. It sounds like you guys don't think the longer-term growth rate, normalized growth rate is going to alter, but you did make mention of share gain opportunities along the way. And if those occur, do you think you can go into those sort of normalized growth rate and sort of normalized growth rates from a stronger share position, meaning you can level up your revenue run rate when that low to mid-single-digit growth rate occurs? And then I have a follow-up.

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • Yes, yes. No problem. Well, first of all, thanks for joining, and glad to have you on board here. So yes, I mean, I think the answer is, absolutely, right? I mean we are working hard. You sort of commented a little bit on the share gain potential that we have. We're working diligently to do that. I mean the call today is really focused around the MaxLinear side and not the acquisition, but it is something that just from an -- there being able to add content going forward is a big opportunity as well as share gains. So both of those are a focus for the company, and we think we've got some good potential to do so.

  • Ananda Prosad Baruah - MD

  • Excellent. Excellent. And then just the delay that you guys mentioned, is that on the hyperscale cloud side? Or is that on the telecom side? Can you can you give me the context there?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • On the hyperscale side.

  • Ananda Prosad Baruah - MD

  • Got it. Okay. Cool. And just -- is that earlier in some of the remarks you made mention of like not, my paraphrasing, but not to read too much into it. Is that with regards to the delay? Or was that a separate distinction, should we not collapse those 2?

  • Steven G. Litchfield - CFO & Chief Corporate Strategy Officer

  • So I'm not sure which part you're referring to. But I mean, with regard to the optical business, the HSI business, we continue to work with the large hyperscale customer and excited about seeing these early revenues come in, in the second half, and then expect to see more material contribution next year.

  • Operator

  • Our next question is a follow-up from Tore Svanberg from Stifel.

  • Tore Egil Svanberg - MD

  • I apologize for getting my ski resorts mixed up here in the middle of the summer. And thank you for addressing the Blackcomb question. But on Telluride, will there be a follow-up to this product? And I know, Kishore, in the past, I've asked you about the move to 7 nanometer. So any updates there?

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • So, Tore, of course, there's a follow-up to the -- the industry trend right now is that on the 400-gig, everybody is going to converge, on the -- I don't want to get into technical details here. But on the electrical interface today, you know, it's a 50-gigabit electrical interface. Basically, you get 4x100 optical lanes, 4 lanes of 100 gigabit and then the electrical side you have 8 lanes of 50 gigabit. The industry is converting towards the 4 lanes of 100 gigabit and for -- on the optical side and 4 lanes of 100 gigabit on the electrical side. That's the convergence point next. And that's the next-generation chip that's also called a 400-gigabit PAM4 chip, but there's going to be the 2 flavors of that for the industry. One is a 400 gigabit. And other one is going to be a 800 gigabit, basically 8 lanes of 100-gig optical lanes and 8 lanes of 100-gig electrical lanes. So yes, we are following through on the next-generation chip.

  • And we are working on a 5-nanometer solution, another 7-nanometer solution, and I think we'll be the first ones out with the 5-nanometer solution, based on what our industry knowledge tells us. Because we feel that the yields of the 7-nanometer are -- they do not use EUV lithography, and our analysis tells that the power and the yield performance of 5-nanometer is going to be superior to 7-nanometer and the timing will be just right for 5-nanometer. And we have a lot of interest from the industry to do that. Okay? I never mentioned 7-nanometer, Tore, for that reason.

  • Tore Egil Svanberg - MD

  • Got it. Okay. No, that's fair. My last question is back to Connected Home. So with this work-from-home trend that you're seeing. Are you also starting to see new products launch faster from some of your customers? I'm thinking about perhaps XB7 from Comcast, could that potentially be a catalyst and an upgrade cycle for you? And if so, are you starting to see some of those deployments already?

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • A very, very good question, Tore, you're absolutely right. They are trying to accelerate their XB7, they've got several versions, but XB7 deployment. Hopefully, we are the beneficiaries of the shareship. Shareship is the wrong word. Gaining our legitimate share. And so that should give us a growth, and we're seeing backlogs associated with that. Having said that, at the end point, basically at the customer throughput, that is still not full -- in full steam, but you should expect the entire market to shift to the XB7 very, very rapidly.

  • And similarly, you're seeing moves being made on the Wi-Fi side with the other operators to enhance the Wi-Fi as well. So XB7 platform benefits from an increased, what I call, Wi-Fi 6, 6E deployment. The reason I talked about this is that it portends very, very well for us because with the acquisition of Intel's Connected Home assets, together with our product portfolio and their Gateway SoC plus their WiFi and our MoCA and Ethernet and their Ethernet, we would own the full platform. We should really see a benefit of that share growth, which we have suffered from not having in the last year or so. So yes, that is happening more rapidly, but not rapid enough for us, but still okay. We're happy with that. Okay?

  • Operator

  • We've reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.

  • Kishore Seendripu - Co-Founder, Chairman, CEO & President

  • Thank you, operator. I just want to note here that we'll be participating at the BMO Virtual Technology Conference on August 24 and 28, at the Jefferies 2020 Virtual Semiconductor IT Hardware and Communications Infrastructure Summit on September 1 to 2, and the Deutsche Bank Technology Conference on September 14 to 15. Just want to reemphasize that all these conferences are virtual, and we hope to connect with many of you there. With that said, I want to thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to reporting on our progress to you next quarter. Hopefully, sooner than that. Thank you very much.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. That does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation.