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Operator
Welcome to the MasTec's third-quarter fiscal year 2013 earnings conference call initially broadcast on November 1, 2013. Let me remind participants that today's call is being recorded. At this time I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Marc Lewis, MasTec's Vice President of Investor Relations. Marc?
Marc Lewis - VP IR
Thank you, Mary, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to MasTec's third-quarter earnings conference call.
The following statement is made pursuant to the Safe Harbor for forward-looking statements described in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. In these communications we may make certain statements that are forward-looking, such as statements regarding MasTec's future results, plans, and anticipated trends in the industries where we operate. These forward-looking statements are the Company's expectations on the day of the initial broadcast of this conference call, and the Company will make no effort to update these expectations based on subsequent events or knowledge. Various risks, uncertainties, and assumptions are detailed in our press releases and filings with the SEC. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize, or should any of our underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may differ significantly from results expressed or implied in these communications.
In today's remarks today by management we will be discussing continuing operations adjusted financial metrics that are discussed and reconciled in yesterday's press release and supporting schedules. In addition, we may use certain non-GAAP financial measures in this conference call. A reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures not reconciled in these comments to the most comparable GAAP measure can be found in our recent earnings press release, our 10-Q, and on our Investor Relations site at mastec.com.
With us today we have Jose Mas, our Chief Executive Officer, and Bob Campbell, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The format of the call will be opening remarks and analysis by Jose, followed by a financial review from Bob. These discussions will be followed by a question-and-answer period, and we expect the call to last about 60 minutes.
We had another record quarter and a lot of good things to talk about today, so I will go ahead and turn it over to Jose.
Jose Mas - CEO
Thanks, Marc. Good morning and welcome to MasTec's 2013 third-quarter call. Today I will be reviewing our third-quarter results as well as providing my outlook for the markets we serve.
First, some third-quarter highlights. Revenue for the quarter was $1.269 billion, an increase of 19% over last year's third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $135 million, an increase of 32% over the prior year's third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margins were 10.6%, a 100 basis point improvement.
Adjusted earnings per share were $0.61, an increase of 13% over last year's third quarter. And cash flow from operations was $110 million.
In summary, we had an excellent quarter. In fact, the third quarter was the best quarter in the Company's history. Third-quarter revenue, EBITDA, net income, and EPS were all at record levels.
Despite a year-over-year $127 million drop in revenues in our Power Generation business, total revenues were up $202 million. This increase was led by our oil and gas, electrical high-voltage transmission, and wireless markets, which all had record revenue quarters, helping the Company achieve its 19% year-over-year growth.
We are seeing the positive results of our diversification strategy and believe that every market we serve offers us long-term growth opportunities. Today we will cover our financial performance; but quite frankly, our greatest success has been our ability to improve our competitive position across all of our end markets.
I believe the value of our brand has never been stronger. I think today's financial performance is a testament to that. But more importantly, it is our brand recognition and reputation that will continue to provide us with growing opportunities across all of our markets.
I would now like to cover our segment data. Our Communications segment revenue was $543 million for the quarter versus $490 million last year. EBITDA margin for this segment was 13.2% for the third quarter versus 12.1% in last year's third quarter.
The growth in this segment was led by our wireless business, which was up 38% year-over-year. Revenue growth in wireless has been stronger than expected and was driven by both growth from AT&T as well as our ability to diversify our customer base, as demonstrated this quarter with the addition of Samsung in our top 10 customers. The work we do for Samsung is on behalf of the Sprint network.
We expect wireless revenues to exceed $900 million in 2013. While we have enjoyed strong growth, there are a significant number of new opportunities with multiple customers that we are pursuing, and we expect to announce additional awards during the fourth quarter.
We have invested and will continue to invest in the opening of new training facilities, the hiring and training of personnel, and the equipment and systems necessary to provide our customers with the resources they will need to complete their deployments in a cost-effective, timely, and safe manner. Having these resources will be a key to the continued growth in our wireless business, and we are very confident in our ability to be a market leader in this business.
During the last quarter, we have seen a number of announcements of both long-term capital expenditures on behalf of the carriers as well as significant increases in third-party wireless investments, as demonstrated by Crown Castle's purchase of AT&T towers and a recent announcement by KKR of a significant capital commitment to fund a rural tower buildout.
Increased data consumption will be a significant driver in the need for investments in infrastructure. We are very well positioned to take advantage of these macro trends in the wireless industry.
Our installation to the home business was flat on a year-over-year basis, but up 18% sequentially. We continue to invest in the growth of our home security installation offering and now have a presence in 25 cities.
While the revenue contribution is not yet significant from this market, it is a natural extension of our capabilities and we are bullish on its long-term prospects. Security, coupled with in-home automation and energy efficiency, is a fragmented market. Our national reach and scope gives us a strong competitive advantage in that market.
Our Oil & Gas pipeline segment had revenues of $519 million for the third quarter compared to revenues of $284 million in last year's third quarter, or an 83% year-over-year increase. Revenues were also up sequentially by 75%.
Third-quarter EBITDA margin for this segment was 13.1% versus 10.2% in last year's third quarter. Backlog was at $639 million versus $265 million last year, but down sequentially from $808 million.
As a reminder, in the second quarter we were awarded one of the largest pipeline contracts in our history, and we expect completion of that project in the first half of 2014. As expected, pipeline backlog is down from record levels in the second quarter due to this large award. Timing of large awards will have a significant impact on quarterly backlog.
We have been and will continue to be a beneficiary of the significant changes in the oil and gas industry in North America. We now have the capabilities of offering pipeline and facility construction services throughout the United States and Canada, and we are bullish on the long-term opportunities that Mexico can offer.
To recap our exceptional growth in the Oil & Gas segment, we made our first platform acquisition in May of 2008, and since then revenues have gone from $70 million in 2008, to $178 million in 2009, to $563 million in 2010, to $774 million in 2011, to $959 million in 2012. And we now expect pipeline segment revenues to exceed $1.5 billion in 2013.
Our Electrical Transmission segment had revenues of $119 million for the quarter versus $75 million last year, an increase of 59%. Third-quarter EBITDA margin for the segment was 10.2%, up sequentially from 9.7% in the second quarter.
During the quarter, PP&L announced -- as described by them -- a transition of management companies for business reasons. While we believe we were ahead of schedule and had excellent safety and workmanship on the project, we began demobilization in the third quarter. We are currently following the termination provisions of the contract and, unfortunately, will not be able to comment further on any of the project details.
We are very proud of our accomplishments in the transmission market. We expect Transmission segment revenues to exceed $400 million in 2013. We have effectively doubled the business in the last 24 months.
We have gained the trust and confidence of our customers. And while we are disappointed with the loss of the PP&L project, we are excited and bullish on our future prospects.
We have been in active discussions with all of our customers relative to all of our ongoing projects and believe we are performing at a very high level. The market continues to be very active, and the bid pipeline is very strong.
Moving to our Power Generation and Industrial segment, revenue was $85 million in the third quarter versus $212 million in the prior year. Third-quarter EBITDA margin for the segment was a negative 7.5% versus a positive 4.7% in last year's third quarter. Margins, however, did improve sequentially by 510 basis points.
We expect fourth-quarter EBITDA to approach breakeven. As we have previously explained, this is our most challenging business in 2013. We expect full-year revenues to be down about $350 million from 2012, primarily due to the reduction in renewables based on the late extension of the Production Tax Credits for wind.
The wind business is expected to increase again in 2014 due to the Tax Credit extension negotiated during the fiscal cliff talks. There is a significant amount of bid activity related to 2014 projects, and we are happy with our progress to date.
While not reflected in backlog, since quarter end we have been awarded or verbally awarded contracts that are expected to exceed $250 million. We expect to discuss those projects in detail on our next call.
To recap, we are having an excellent 2013. We expect 2013 to be a record year, and we are encouraged about the prospects for our business going forward.
Our presence in the oil and gas, high-voltage electrical transmission, and wireless markets, coupled with the improvements in our power generation business, should lead to an increasing number of opportunities for 2014 and beyond. I would now like to turn the call over to Bob Campbell for our financial review. Bob?
Bob Campbell - EVP, CFO
Thank you, Jose, and good morning, everyone. Today I am going to cover third-quarter financial results and our 2013 guidance. I will also cover our liquidity, our cash flow, and the expanded and improved bank credit facility that we closed earlier this week.
As in our previous calls, when we discuss our financial results and guidance, we will be discussing non-GAAP continuing operations adjusted EBITDA and earnings. Our adjusted results exclude the first-quarter loss on extinguishment of debt related to refinancing our senior notes; the second-quarter final Sintel Spanish litigation charge; and they also exclude non-cash stock compensation expense for all periods.
Before I get into detailed remarks, let me share some headlines. Third-quarter revenue was $1.27 billion, up 19% from the third quarter last year. Third-quarter continuing operations adjusted EBITDA of $135 million was up 32% from last year.
Third-quarter continuing operations adjusted EBITDA margin was 10.6%, up 100 basis points from last year. Continuing operations adjusted diluted EPS in the third quarter was $0.61, a 13% increase from last year.
We are reaffirming our full-year 2013 earnings guidance, which includes continuing operations adjusted EBITDA of $448 million, a 33% increase over last year. The full-year 2013 continuing operations adjusted EBITDA margin implicit in our guidance is 10.5%; that is far better than last year's 9.0%.
We have closed an upsized $750 million bank credit facility with better pricing, terms, and conditions. And, finally, we have sold GlobeTec, our discontinued and struggling municipal water and sewer business, at a $0.04 loss.
Now let me get into Q3 detailed results. Q3 2013 revenue was $1.27 billion, up $202 million or 19% from last year. And that is in spite of a $127 million decline in Power Generation and Industrial revenue.
To offset the Power Gen decline, our other major segments all had impressive growth. Oil & Gas was up 83%; Electrical Transmission was up 59%; and Communications was up 11%, driven by a 38% increase in wireless projects. Oil & Gas, Electrical Transmission, and Communications on a combined basis were up 22% organically, without acquisitions.
Third-quarter cost of revenue, excluding depreciation and amortization, as a percent of revenue was 85.2% compared to 86.6% a year ago. That is a 140 basis point improvement driven primarily by the Oil & Gas segment, but also with improvement in the wireless projects within Communications.
As expected, Electrical Transmission cost of revenue continued to improve sequentially, with a 230 basis point improvement compared to Q2, but 180 basis points worse than Q3 a year ago. Also as expected, Power Generation was a significant drag on MasTec's cost of revenue and margins as we move toward final closeout of several disappointing projects; and we have maintained our overhead levels in spite of lower volume levels in anticipation of a robust wind project environment for 2014.
Depreciation and amortization expense was 3.0% of revenue in Q3, compared to 2.1% last year, primarily reflecting the impact of higher levels of capital expenditures in Oil & Gas and in Electrical Transmission, and also higher amortization primarily from recent Oil & Gas acquisitions. We have increased our investment levels in Oil & Gas and in Electrical Transmission in anticipation of greater amounts of work this year, next year, and beyond.
Third-quarter general and administrative expenses, as a percent of revenue, on a GAAP basis were up from 4.0% a year ago to 4.6% this year. Third-quarter G&A includes $3 million in non-cash stock compensation expense, and the year-over-year increase was approximately $2 million. The majority of the increase is due to the incentive compensation plan for our EC Source transmission business that we discussed last quarter.
The other areas of increase were -- one, approximately $8 million of G&A related to acquisitions completed in the fourth quarter of 2012 as well as in 2013; two, payroll information technology and other cost increases to support our growth; and three, higher bonus accruals given this year's 32% increase in continuing operations adjusted EBITDA.
Q3 continuing operations adjusted EBITDA was $135 million, which was up 32% from $103 million in 2012. Q3 continuing operations adjusted EBITDA margin of 10.6% improved 100 basis points versus last year, and it was the result of the revenue increase and much improved cost of revenue, partly offset by G&A increases. Q3 continuing operations adjusted diluted earnings per share was $0.61, compared with $0.54 a year ago, a 13% improvement over last year.
For the third quarter of 2013, the 10 largest customers were -- Enbridge, a pipeline customer, was 20% of total revenue; AT&T was 16% of total revenue; DIRECTV was 13%; Enterprise, a pipeline customer, was 6%; MidAmerican Energy was 4% -- MidAmerican is both an Electrical Transmission customer and a Power Generation customer; TransCanada, a pipeline and facilities customer, was also at 4%. Chesapeake Midstream, PPL, and Samsung were each at 3% of total revenue. Chesapeake is a pipeline customer, PPL is an Electrical Transmission customer, and Samsung is a wireless customer. And finally, DCP Midstream, a pipeline customer, was at 2% of revenue.
Regarding diversification our top 10 customers in Q3 include two telecom customers, one satellite television customer, five oil and gas customers, and two electrical transmission power generation customers. Our revenue is split between one-time individual construction projects and what we call Master Service Agreements and other similar contracts for generally recurring services and, therefore, recurring revenue. For Q3, 47% of our revenue came from Master Service Agreements and 53% came from one-time individual construction projects.
Also, it should be noted that with many of our customers we do a significant number of repeat, follow-on, individual projects. I just wanted to highlight that even though our one-time individual project revenue is growing nicely we do enjoy a large and stable revenue base from Master Service Agreements.
At quarter end, our backlog from continuing operations was approximately $4.0 billion. The comparable number for Q3 last year was $3.3 billion, and $4.1 billion at the end of Q2 this year.
As I mentioned on last quarter's call, be careful not to over-analyze changes in our quarterly backlog numbers. Backlog numbers can be lumpy and bounce around some. And we do not believe that 90-day swings in backlog are necessarily indicative of the longer-term trends in our overall business or in each of our segments.
Please keep in mind that our backlog amounts can fluctuate just due to the timing of when contracts get signed. We do not count contracts signed after quarter in our backlog; and of course we do not count to verbal assurances or even written notices to proceed.
Also, especially in Oil & Gas, we have significant amounts of book-and-burn work, and therefore our backlog amounts in that segment are really not indicative of future revenue. Also, please note that our backlog numbers are for only 18 months into the future; that means that some significant and longer-duration projects may not be fully reflected in backlog. Also, our longer-term Master Service Agreement work is reflected in backlog at only its 18-month value, even if the MSA contract runs well beyond 18 months.
Now let me talk about our Q3 liquidity, cash flow, and our newly amended and expanded bank credit facility. Liquidity at September 30, calculated as cash plus availability on our bank credit line, was $428 million.
Earlier this week we closed an improved and upsized bank senior credit facility which will improve our liquidity even further. Our revolver was upsized from a maximum amount of $600 million to $750 million; includes lower rates on both outstanding and undrawn amounts; has better terms and conditions; and the credit facility maturity was extended two additional years, until 2018.
Under the amended credit facility, we can currently borrow at LIBOR plus 175 basis points, which reflects a 50 basis point improvement over our prior credit facility. On a pro forma basis, had the amended credit facility been in place on September 30, our pro forma liquidity would have been $578 million.
Also, we have a $250 million accordion feature which under certain circumstances will allow us to upsize the credit facility up to $1 billion. We have received great support from our existing bank group, and we were able to upsize the facility through increased commitments from our existing banks without adding new banks to our bank group.
The rationale for our improved and expanded bank deal is we saw an opportunity to extend our maturity date while getting a better deal overall. And with a new five-year maturity and our favorable growth prospects, we thought we should expand the revolver now, while market conditions are very favorable. The upsizing is not a signal of an imminent big acquisition, but just appropriate capital structure planning for a growing company.
Our third-quarter cash flow from operations, as expected, was much improved compared to the second quarter. Our cash flow from operations was $110 million, despite an almost $300 million sequential increase in revenue, which caused some working capital usage.
As we said on last quarter's call, second-half cash flow from operations and free cash flow should be much improved over the first half of the year. And that is what is happening. We are currently on track for the $100-million-plus second half of the year reduction in net debt that we mentioned on our last call, if you adjust for our spending on the small electrical substation acquisition that we made in Q3.
In the future, we are changing our methodology in calculating accounts receivable days sales outstanding, or DSOs, to be more consistent with others in our public company peer group. Going forward, we plan to include billings in excess of costs and earnings and our DSO calculations.
Billings in excess of costs and earnings, or advanced billings, are shown on the liability side of the balance sheet and they are substantial. At September 30, we had $110 million of billings in excess of costs and earnings. All of our DSO numbers in the future will be calculated net of billings in excess of costs and earnings, and we believe the net numbers are more comparable to our peers and therefore will be more analytically useful.
For the third quarter, in the name of clarity, we will give you the numbers both ways. Using either calculation, our DSOs showed very good improvement in Q3 compared to last quarter.
Our Q3 accounts receivable days sales outstanding, or DSOs, for continuing operations under the old methodology, without netting billings in excess of costs and earnings, were 89 days compared to 102 days in Q2, a 13-day improvement. Using the new net calculation methodology, our Q3 DSOs were 81 days compared to 90 days for Q2, a 9-day improvement. We previously said that we expected significant improvement in DSOs over the rest of the year, and we also said that we had some Canadian second-quarter collections delayed into Q3 because of flooding in Calgary.
Regarding our spending on equipment, we spent $44 million in cash CapEx in Q3 compared to $22 million in Q3 last year. In addition, we had about $27 million in capital leases and other finance equipment purchases in the third quarter compared to $6 million a year ago.
The total of our cash CapEx and capital leases and financed equipment was $71 million in Q3, compared to $28 million in the third quarter of 2012. On a full-year basis, we will probably spend about $120 million in cash CapEx and maybe another $110 million to $120 million in capital leases and financed equipment, for total CapEx for 2013 of $230 million to $240 million.
As we had previously said, we currently believe that we should have high levels of growth in Oil & Gas and Electrical Transmission for the next few years. As our project awards have increased dramatically and our confidence level regarding sustainable growth has risen, we have increased our investment in equipment to support our anticipated growth.
We see a great window of opportunity for the next few years, and we are getting ready for it. We believe that the P&L benefit for our ramp-up in equipment spending will primarily be seen in 2014 and beyond. Therefore, we are incurring a modest P&L hit in 2013 in order to do the right thing for the business longer-term.
Also, the 50% bonus depreciation for tax purposes expires at year-end, so the economics favor getting equipment and service this year versus next.
As I mentioned, we are reaffirming our full-year earnings guidance. For the full year we are raising our revenue estimate to $4.25 billion. Additionally, we continue to estimate continuing operations adjusted EBITDA of $448 million and continuing operations adjusted diluted earnings per share of $1.88.
The 2013 revenue projection represents an increase of over $520 million or 14% over $3.7 billion for 2013, which we think is very good, especially given that Power Generation and Industrial revenue likely will be down about $350 million due to much lower wind revenue. This year's total revenue growth, given the dramatic drop in Power Generation revenue, demonstrates the value of having a diversified portfolio of businesses.
Our 2013 continuing operations adjusted EBITDA projection of $448 million would be a 33% increase over continuing operations adjusted EBITDA of $336 million last year. The 2013 continuing operations adjusted EBITDA margin implicit in our guidance is 10.5%, which compares to a continuing operations adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.0% last year. Continuing operations adjusted EPS of $1.88 would be a 23% increase over continuing operations adjusted EPS of $1.53 last year.
Our 2013 full-year guidance assumes a tax rate of about 38.6%. Cash taxes are estimated to be 90% to 95% of book taxes in 2013.
We currently expect depreciation expense to increase from $80 million last year to $120 million in 2013, as a result of higher CapEx and capital leases plus the impact of the Canadian Big Country acquisition. As I mentioned earlier, we will have a modest P&L drag in 2013 as we ramp up our equipment spending in anticipation of the opportunities that we see in the future for Oil & Gas and in Electrical Transmission.
We expect full-year acquisition amortization expense of $21 million, including the impact of the Canadian Big Country acquisition. We expect an increase in interest expense from $37 million in 2012 to about $47 million this year, reflecting higher debt balances partly offset by lower interest rates.
Our estimate for the full-year share count for diluted EPS is about 85 million shares and about 86 million shares for Q4. Remember that our share count for EPS purposes can fluctuate up and down with our stock price because of accounting for our convertible notes.
As Jose said, we had a strong third quarter and we currently expect that 2013 will be another record year, with a strong growth in our three key segments and with significant margin expansion. Before I turn the call back to Jose, let me mention one other item.
After having the great privilege of serving as the MasTec CFO for the past nine years, I plan to retire at the end of the year. I turn 70 next year, and year-end is the right time to pass the baton to someone else.
George Pita, who currently is our CFO for Operations, will become the new MasTec CFO on January 1. As CFO for Operations, George has had all of our business units' CFOs reporting to him, and he has done a terrific job leading that group and working with our different businesses.
George joined MasTec in February after previously serving as CFO for Sunglass Hut, Perry Ellis, and Stuart Weitzman, a division of The Jones Group. I wish George all the best in his new role.
Being MasTec's CFO has just been terrific. I really appreciate the support that I have always gotten from our Board, the Mas family, our senior management team, and from our banks, insurance, surety, and all of our other partners.
I will remain involved with MasTec for a while as a consultant to Jose. However, this will be my last earnings call, so let me wrap up my comments by saying again what a great privilege it has been to serve MasTec and our investors. It has been fun every single day.
Thank you. And I hope that being involved with MasTec will be as gratifying for you as it has been for me.
That concludes my remarks. I will now turn the call back to Jose.
Jose Mas - CEO
Before moving to questions, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bob for his years of service. I had the honor of becoming the CEO of MasTec in 2007. At that time our revenues were $932 million and EBITDA for the full year of 2007 was $53 million. It is amazing to think that this quarter we exceeded the results for the full year of 2007.
During my tenure I have had the benefit of having a great financial partner and friend. His work prior to 2007 created a solid foundation and, more importantly, over the course of the last six years he did a remarkable job of building an incredible finance organization at MasTec. We have an incredible team here, and Bob's leadership is a big reason for that.
I also want to thank Bob's wife, Deni, for her support. Bob, on behalf of my family, our Board, all of our team members, partners, and investors -- thank you for a job well done. You will forever be a part of this family, and you should take great pride in the legacy that you leave. Thank you, Bob.
I would also like to congratulate George Pita. As Bob mentioned, George brings vast experience to MasTec. George has also had the benefit of spending a significant amount of time in our field operations over the course of the last year.
I look forward to George building on Bob's fine work. Congratulations, George.
I would now like to turn the call back to the conference operator for the Q&A session.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Andrew Kaplowitz, Barclays.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Good morning, guys. Nice quarter. Bob, congratulations on your retirement. George, good luck.
Bob Campbell - EVP, CFO
Thank you.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Jose, if I could ask you about 2014 in the sense that, at this point in the year in 2013, can you talk about your visibility into 2014? It looks like your Communications business has reaccelerated, pipeline remains strong.
Can MasTec achieve a low double-digit revenue growth in 2014? And then how should we think about margin? You definitely have improved your margins in 2013, but margins have been a little choppy still; just okay in the pipeline. So maybe any views you can give us of 2014 at this point would be helpful.
Jose Mas - CEO
Sure, Andy. If you look at pipeline margins for 2013 -- and I probably want to start there based on the last part of your comment. Pipeline margins in 2012 were 10.4%; we are going to finish off full-year 2013 at close to 14%. We are really proud of that.
I think that we had a great second quarter with margins closer to 17%. They obviously came down in Q3, as expected. We said last quarter that we thought the 17% was an exceptional quarter, a high-water mark, but something that we don't think we could achieve quarter in, quarter out.
So we are very, very proud of the fact that we have been able to increase margins the way we did from 2012 to 2013. And a lot of that has to do with the improvement in the market that we saw in the pipeline business, as we got some more mainline construction, as the business was improving.
So when we look out to 2014 -- and quite frankly, there is very good visibility in the market, but we are still a ways out, right? It is a long year. 2014 is going to be a big year. There is a ton of work expected to land in 2014.
But it is not like people have it yet. So until you have it, it is really hard to really pin down what your potential growth rates can be, what your potential margin can be.
As we are thinking about 2014 we probably start close to where we ended 2013 from a margin basis, because there is not a lot changing in the pricing environment in Oil & Gas today. It's solid; it is good; I think that is demonstrated in our numbers.
It will get better once the market gets more active, once -- if Keystone happens, we have always said we think that is a big driver of margin expansion in the business. But we have got to see some of those things happen for us to be able to consistently say that we are going to operate at a higher margin over the long term.
So again, it is an incredible marketplace. We are blessed to be in it. We think there is tons of opportunities, not just in the US but as we have said in Canada, and eventually we think the Mexico market is going to be a fantastic market on the pipeline side.
But I think that we need a little bit more time to really come back with solid visibility as to what we think our growth rates from a top-line perspective could be in Oil & Gas.
We have talked about our other businesses. Obviously in our Power Gen business we have excellent visibility because it has gone from such a bad year two an improving year.
Our Transmission business we have had very good visibility because of all the backlog wins that we have had over the course of the last year. Obviously the PP&L loss impacted that and probably slightly impacts our view for 2014, although I think we will be up strong double digits in 2014 versus 2013.
And you know, our wireless business continues to operate at a very high level. There is just a lot of activity there. We will probably have more solid visibility in that business for 2014 just because of the awards that we know we either have or are coming; so we feel really good about our growth potential there.
So all-in, 2014 should be a great there. It should be a better year than 2013.
The only caveat I say to it is from a margin perspective we expect it to be better than 2013 was; how much better it will be, how much growth we will ultimately have, I think will determine that over the course of the next couple months as the year really starts to show up.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Okay. That's helpful, Jose. Let me ask you about Communications then, as the follow-up. It is up double digits now year-over-year, and margins have been rising. Can you talk about how much of this growth is actual share gains with AT&T and other customers? You have sort of talked about it a little bit in upfront, but maybe a little more color there.
And then margins, they have continued to surprise us to the upside. So is this just really good execution, or is this just a very tight market getting tighter?
Jose Mas - CEO
I think it is a combination of all of that, right? We are taking market share. We are participating in what we think is an increasing market, especially as Sprint really becomes the -- begins to ramp up and spend a lot more on their rollout, especially on the wireless side.
Margins have been improving. Quite frankly, we think they will improve again in Q4. And I think that as we look out on a full-year basis, margins in that business were about 10.8% last year; we think they will be closer to 13% full year this year.
And again, that is a really good run rate as we look into 2014 for a full year, and we're going to look to hopefully do a little bit better. But those are good numbers, and we will continue to work hard at trying to improve them.
Again, it is a dynamic marketplace. It is one where labor is getting tighter. The type of work is changing.
We positioned ourselves incredibly well in that marketplace, and we think that there are a ton of opportunities for us there. And hopefully they will pan out. And as we get more clarity, which we think is coming relatively soon, we will be able to communicate that a lot better.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Analyst
Okay. Thanks for that, Jose. Bob and George, congratulations again.
Operator
Tahira Afzal, KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Tahira Afzal - Analyst
Thank you. And, Bob, first of all, I think at 70 you are still a spring chicken. So (inaudible), but many congratulations. I know what a pivotal part you have played in turning this Company around. You will be missed.
First question, Jose, Nexterra came out with some very positive commentary this morning on wind, kind of in line with what you are saying. And as we have looked at the utility CapEx announcements so far over the last month or two, they have been [strangely] balanced between some natural gas but renewables continuing.
As you go forward and you look at Wanzek could you comment on the longer-term outlook, whether wind is a more beneficial factor for you or whether peaker plants are a better option for you? So in other words, do you benefit more from a natural gas mix to the positive, or more from wind staying in the picture?
Jose Mas - CEO
Today there is no question that we benefit more from the renewables side of the business because they have such (technical difficulty). As the wind market picks up and the wind market is very active, it is going to benefit them. I think there is no question about that.
What we have been trying to do for the last year and a half or so is really balance out the portfolio at Wanzek. We don't want to solely be a renewable contractor.
With that said, we think we have done a good job at really getting into some new sectors there. It hasn't been all fun, right? We have had our issues; we have had the projects that haven't made the kind of margins that we were hoping or expecting, which I think is reflective in the numbers that you are seeing in 2013 as well as revenues being down.
We are very excited about what 2014 brings. We think we're going to have a very good year in that business.
And the more that you look at what utilities plan long-term, we are not going to get to -- it doesn't make any sense but to built natural gas plants today, right? But we also know that they are not going to build all natural gas. There is going to be different energy sources that all of the utilities use. There's going to be a diversification of their energy sources.
So I do think that renewables plays an important role for a long period of time, and I think that is going to be a bread-and-butter business for Wanzek, that they are going to be able to be in and out of every year. And I think that the business is going to be a lot more stable as we look forward just because it is -- a lot of the utilities are looking for that diversification of generating assets.
With that said, we have still got to continue to improve our diversification within that business and be able to offer multiple solutions to different customers. We are working on that and it is still part of our strategy. It is still part of what we are going to do.
We have gone solely organic to date on how we do that. And we continue to reevaluate our progress and our strategy, and we will find a way to make it work.
Tahira Afzal - Analyst
Okay, thank you. I guess the second question is in regards to pipeline. You commented on pricing and Keystone, and I do see what you are saying over there. But clearly we have seen a couple of fairly large projects probably coming to light, and I know they are more 2015-plus, with the Fort Hills $1.5 billion project announced the other day by Enbridge, your key customer. But also a couple of very large pipeline projects in Canada tied to LNG developments, 2015 onward.
So, if you don't see Keystone happening in 2014, does that mean that the pricing impact essentially is still there? It just gets pushed out into 2015, based on the opportunities on the large trunk-line projects you are seeing outside of Keystone?
Jose Mas - CEO
Bottom line is it is a great market that is growing in a bunch of different areas with a lot of different projects. The industry is not solely about one project, but it is about all of the projects coming to life, getting built, moving forward. Right?
A lot of these projects are not necessarily happening today or happening tomorrow, so until they do we are not going to see that trend in pricing, which is I think all that we are really saying. Whether it is Keystone or another major project, when major work starts it is going to have a significant impact on pricing. There is no question about that, and everybody in the industry is going to benefit from it.
Taking a step back, we have also seen it, right? I mean, our margins are up 360 basis points as we guide out the year from where they were in 2012.
So we are seeing margin expansion. Some of our peers are seeing margin expansion. That is good. That is happening.
But to really get to the next level of margin expansion which -- so I think we have achieved that first goal; we have achieved that first jump of margin expansion. The question becomes, how do you get to the second jump of margin expansion?
And all we are saying is, for it to really hit that second tier it is going to have to be because some of these big projects start, labor gets consumed, and the market gets tighter.
Tahira Afzal - Analyst
Thanks a lot, Jose.
Operator
Alex Rygiel, FBR Investment.
Alex Rygiel - Analyst
Thanks. Good morning. Great quarter, Jose. And, Bob, congratulations on all your success through the years. You're going to be missed.
Jose Mas - CEO
Thank you, Alex.
Bob Campbell - EVP, CFO
And thank you.
Alex Rygiel - Analyst
A couple quick questions, first for Bob -- not to let you off the hook. Bob, can you comment on any plans that you might have or how you are thinking about settling the convertible notes in the spring of 2014?
Bob Campbell - EVP, CFO
Well, let me say two things. First of all, just to remind everyone how we are accounting for them, our current assumption is that we will settle the principal, the $215 million, in cash; and we will pay the premium in stock. And that dilution is already in the EPS.
We acknowledge we have had a nice run-up in the stock. And we have two tranches next year in June and then I think November; and we will make a gametime decision, if you will, at that point in time.
So in a way I guess I am not answering your question, but it is clear that our current intention is to pay the principal in cash.
Alex Rygiel - Analyst
Very helpful. Jose, can you give us a little bit of an update on the Big Country acquisition earlier in 2013? And also comment on acquisition activity, acquisition pipeline, and whether or not you are going to continue to focus on smaller transactions within your core franchise, or you are possibly thinking about adding another leg to the story.
Jose Mas - CEO
Sure. We are extremely excited about the Big Country acquisition. We think it is a phenomenal company with a great management team that is going to really open up an enormous amount of opportunities from Canada.
We are very bullish on their long-term growth capabilities. It is an absolutely fantastic company. We are proud to have them, and as we get to know them better, I think we continue to feel the same way, if not stronger.
With that said, the third quarter for them and for our Canadian business was somewhat challenging. We had the rains and the floods that happened in late June that went into July. The late freeze extended the breakup season, so some of our work got started later than what we expected, caused some cost constraints.
So some of our margin impact in the third quarter versus where it was or where we wanted it to be, Canada underperformed a little bit versus our expectation. They had a very good quarter, but slightly below where we were hoping that they would be. And we think over time that comes back.
So very excited about what they bring to the table, what their offering is. Again, a fantastic group and one that I think is going to really benefit us over the long term.
The acquisition pipeline, quite frankly it remains really strong. There is a lot of very interesting opportunities out there.
You know our approach. We are disciplined. It has got to fit.
We are looking more to expand and extend our current businesses, be it geographies, customers, or what management team brings more than necessarily adding another stool. So I don't think that you're going to see us add another stool anytime soon.
You never say never, but we really don't have any plans for that today. But you will probably see us continuing to make some nice tuck-in acquisitions to complement our businesses.
Alex Rygiel - Analyst
Good to hear. Nice quarter, again.
Operator
Jason Wangler, Wunderlich Securities.
Jason Wangler - Analyst
Morning, guys. Just curious on the wind business, as we get back to -- or we get into 2014 and things start moving. When do you expect -- it sounds like you are having conversations; but when do you expect to see sorry start to see contracts being awarded? And roughly when do you see boots getting on the ground and going to work?
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, contracts will be awarded this year. We have actually already been awarded some contracts since quarter end. We will actually start some construction in 2013, with a lot of construction slated for the beginning half of 2014.
Jason Wangler - Analyst
Okay. That's helpful. That is quicker than I thought. And then just you mentioned the home security business expanding a little bit. It is not meaningful yet, but do you see that becoming more meaningful as we go through 2014? Or is it even maybe getting another year under your belt before it really becomes something that is going to be meaningful from a revenue perspective?
Jose Mas - CEO
It has always been a part of the business that we feel fit us so well and that we would have so many opportunities in -- when you look at the security business nationwide, it is an extremely fragmented market. You have a couple big players, but the reality is that a lot of those big players buy contracts from smaller players that just aggregate homes.
The difference in the market for us today is that we are starting to work with some big national players, right? So we have announced that we are working with AT&T on their Digital Life program. DIRECTV announced the acquisition of a big security company.
So now you have a different customer profile, for us anyway, in terms of who is going after customers. Our business today will be completely dependent on their success. So to the extent that those customers are successful, our business is going to grow and we hope grow rather nicely.
It will take time to see what kind of take rates they get and how they are doing in those businesses. But if you track those businesses, as their performance improves we are going to see a direct correlation to our business.
In addition to that, it is our job to figure out other ways to play in that market, other customers to play, which we will do. So again it is very exciting to be able to make a bigger play in that business with some core customers where we can open a lot of facilities office, get really good geographic reach, and then figure out ways to maximize the utilization of those resources across the areas that we are in.
Jason Wangler - Analyst
That's helpful. Thank you, guys.
Operator
Vishal Shah, Deutsche Bank.
Vishal Shah - Analyst
Yes, hi. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations, Bob.
And Jose, I wanted to just talk to you about the wireless business. You mentioned that you are expecting additional orders in Q4. Are those from new customers?
And can you talk about just how we should think about the new business from Sprint and Samsung as you look into 2014?
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, in the market today we pretty much work for all of the major carriers. Obviously, we work for some in a much greater capacity than others. So I don't think there's many customers out there that would be new to us; in some shape or form we have worked for everybody.
So the awards that we are expecting and we are hoping to get are more with -- are with existing customers. But with that said, maybe some of our larger existing customers.
As we look forward into the Sprint relationship, which is important and it is one that is growing, Sprint is doing things a little bit differently. In the past a lot of their work has been through some of the OEMs that were building and financing a lot of their build form. They are still doing that.
That is really how Samsung got into business with Sprint. They have been a good customer of ours. We see that continuing, and in addition we believe that Sprint is going to direct contracts and more to other players as well where we think that there is opportunities for us.
So we are very bullish about what is happening there. We think they've got a lot of requirements and needs over the course of the next few years as to how they improve their network and continue to build on their network.
So we hope to be a part of it, and it is a big industry opportunity and one that we are hoping to take advantage of.
Vishal Shah - Analyst
That is very helpful. Just one other question on the pipeline side, you said that you expect one big project to get completed shortly. Do you think that we should expect some shift in margins because of the completion of that one large project?
You see margins in some of the new business that you are winning pretty much the same as the existing projects? Thank you.
Jose Mas - CEO
Sure. So a couple things. I think when you look at our margins, we have had two high-water marks, which is the fourth quarter of 2012 and the third quarter of 2013, where in both of those quarters we achieved close to 17% margins in the business. I think it is important to note that in both of those quarters there weren't a lot of long mainline construction projects in those numbers. There were some, but it wasn't the dominant nature of what we were doing.
So I think that speaks highly of the pricing of all pipeline business. Pipeline business in general today is a good market, whether you are in the shales or you are in the Longhorns.
It is all a matter of -- a lot of the work is bid in that anywhere from the low to high teens from an EBITDA perspective. And how you finish off jobs and where they are geographically based and the performance on those jobs will have an impact on where you can end up within that range.
So we feel really good about where we are at today. Again we think we have made great improvements.
We are very proud of our team. I know our team is extremely proud of the accomplishments that they have made over the course of the last year, as are we of them.
And we think that is going to continue. We expect margins to hold really well going forward. And our job is to figure out ways that we can continually improve margins, get better, and get bigger.
Vishal Shah - Analyst
Thank you.
Operator
John Rogers, DA Davidson.
John Rogers - Analyst
Hi, good morning. First of all, my congratulations to Bob and thank you for all the help over the years.
I guess first question, Jose, on the Power Generation and Industrial bookings that you referred to, or pending awards, the $250 million, is that all wind?
Jose Mas - CEO
Yes, it is.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay. Then in terms of -- and I don't know how much you can talk about this. But your Transmission backlog, does that have all of the PPL work pulled out of it?
Jose Mas - CEO
Yes, it does.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay. How quickly --
Jose Mas - CEO
We probably pulled out, John, north of $100 million out of backlog.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay.
Jose Mas - CEO
What would have been had we not -- had we still been on the project it would've been about $100 million higher, I suspect.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay. How quickly, Jose, do you have the opportunities to fill out 2014? Are we looking at a lull in the first part of the year? I know seasonally it is weaker anyway, but --?
Jose Mas - CEO
John, if you take a step back, last quarter we announced that over the previous 18 months we had won almost $1 billion worth of work. When you take into perspective our size in that business, that was an incredible feat, in our minds.
So we have a lot of work. We have a very strong backlog. As we look in 2014 we have excellent visibility.
We have said over the course of the last six, nine months that we expected to do $400 million in 2014. Our goal was probably to do $500 million in 2014.
Does that turn into $450 million or somewhere closer to that today with what we have got in hand? Probably; and to make up the difference we have got to go out and get some additional work, which we're going to work hard on.
So it probably tempers 2014 a little bit. But again, we still expect double-digit growth in 2014 from where we were at in 2013.
The backlog levels that we currently sit on allow us to perform that and to perform at those levels. In addition to that, there is a ton of work out there that is bidding that we feel we can compete on and hopefully we will continue to win projects and continue to grow the business.
John Rogers - Analyst
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.
Operator
Noelle Dilts, Stifel.
Noelle Dilts - Analyst
Thanks. Good morning. And again, congratulations, Bob. You have certainly earned some time on the golf course.
So, starting off, Jose, the last time you had an upturn in the wind business pricing really never got to the point you expected it to be. It was challenging throughout that whole cycle.
As you are looking out into 2014 and as you are looking at these early contracts coming out, has there been any improvement in pricing relative to the 2012 period? Or are you still looking at a pretty challenging environment?
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, we are still in the middle of a pretty active bid season, so I don't necessarily want to comment on where we are pricing or what we are pricing. What I would say is, as we look at 2014, we would obviously expect to at least be at the margin levels of where we were in 2012, which is a big change from where we were in 2013.
So it is going to be a great driver of our business in 2014, relative to where it was at in 2013. It is a good market. The exposure and risk that you take on some of these wind jobs isn't as great, so margins tend to be lower than what our Company averages would be.
We know that. We understand that. We expect that.
Again, we're going to try to do the best job that we can on margins. But if I was looking out into 2014 and as I am thinking about where we are modeling and we're planning, it is pretty close to 2012 levels.
Noelle Dilts - Analyst
Okay, great. Then just on a very near-term question, with the demobilization on the PPL project, do you think you could see a little bit of maybe some underutilization in the fourth quarter in Transmission? Or were you able to reallocate those assets pretty quickly?
Jose Mas - CEO
We are actually expecting a nice increase in margins in the fourth quarter in our Transmission business versus where it was at in the third quarter.
Noelle Dilts - Analyst
Perfect, thank you.
Operator
William Bremer, Maxim Group.
William Bremer - Analyst
Good morning, gentlemen. Bob, congrats. Enjoy the cars. Look forward to seeing you on the track one day.
My first question goes on to, into Transmission. Jose bookings received this quarter, can we talk a little bit on the pricing? How does that compare over the last few quarters and year-over-year -- better, worse?
Jose Mas - CEO
Bill, we have been disciplined on pricing. I think we have got our views on where pricing should be. I don't think we have really moved that over the course of the last 18 months.
We have been targeting certain returns. Those are the returns that we are bidding to. I think our performance on margins over the course of the last year and a half has been really good.
We had a bunch of projects that were starting earlier this year, which had a negative impact to margins earlier in 2013. I think we are seeing that recover. I think we will continue to see that recover through Q4.
So we are really happy where our margin profile on our backlog is today. I wouldn't say that it is again changing in any meaningful way from a market perspective. So it is at a level that we are pretty comfortable with.
William Bremer - Analyst
Okay. My final question is on pipe. Any compression contracts during the quarter?
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, we did start some facilities work in the quarter; so yes.
William Bremer - Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator
Adam Thalhimer, BB&T Capital Markets.
Adam Thalhimer - Analyst
Hey, good morning, guys. Nice quarter. And Bob, I would also say congratulations.
Bob Campbell - EVP, CFO
Thank you.
Adam Thalhimer - Analyst
Jose, your comments about wind in 2014, you said margin similar to 2012. What about -- is that true for revenue also?
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, it is early. We have said for a long time now that we expect 2014 to be a better year from a revenue perspective than 2013; so our revenues will grow into 2014 versus 2013.
Do they get to 2012 levels? That is a tall task. 2012 was a remarkable year.
So I think that we will see really nice growth in that business. We are not ready to say that we can get to 2012 levels.
Adam Thalhimer - Analyst
Got it. Okay. Then Mexico pipeline, you alluded to that several times on the call. Just curious what you are seeing there.
Jose Mas - CEO
Well, we are not working there today, and we are probably not going to be working there in the near future. But we are actively involved in relationships there currently, in really understanding the marketplace and the dynamics.
We are very bullish on what is going on. There is a lot of changes in the oil and gas industry in Mexico.
When you look at, obviously, where it is located and the ease of getting in and out, it is just for us another natural expansion market as we look forward, just like Canada. I think you're going to see Mexico buying a lot of resources from the US. A lot of the US shales are on its border, and I think you are going to see a lot of exports to Mexico on that side, and that is going to create a lot of opportunities both on the US side and the Mexico side. And we are hoping to be a part of that when that starts.
Adam Thalhimer - Analyst
That is just something you can do with existing capacity you have? You can move some into Mexico?
Jose Mas - CEO
We can do it a lot of different ways, right? Obviously, we could look at acquisitions in Mexico. We are not necessarily there today, and that is not necessarily something that we are going to do, at least in the short term.
There are -- we think that a lot of the initial opportunities are actually going to be on the US side. So yes, we would use US resources to do work; but those same US resources can help dip into Mexico and work on that side of the border as well.
Adam Thalhimer - Analyst
Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
That does conclude today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Marc Lewis for any additional or closing remarks.
Marc Lewis - VP IR
Thanks, Mary. This is a very bittersweet moment for us at MasTec with Bob announcing his retirement today. While we are happy for Bob and Deni, we will greatly miss Bob's leadership and presence every day at the office.
Over the last nine years, I have traveled all over the world with Bob, telling the MasTec story to literally thousands of investors, a story which in large part had a happy ending because of the skill, commitment, and integrity that Bob brought to the Company during a very difficult time in 2004. But even more, important over the years Bob has become a great friend and confidante.
On behalf of all shareholders, large and small, I just want to say -- thank you, Bob, for the important contributions that you have made here at the Company. Good luck and job well done.
That concludes today's Q3 call. Once again, we want to thank all who have supported us during the year and thanks for participating in today's call.
Operator
That does conclude today's conference. Thank you for your participation.