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  • Operator

  • Greetings and welcome to the Maximus fiscal 2011 second quarter conference call. (Operator Instructions)It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Lisa Miles, Vice-President of Investor Relations for Maximus. Thank you, Miss Miles; you may begin.

  • Lisa Miles - VP of Investor Relations

  • Good morning. Thank you for joining us on today's conference call. I would like to point out that we have posted a presentation to our website under the Investor Relations page to assist you in following along with today's call. With me today is Rich Montoni, Chief Executive Officer and David Walker Chief Financial Officer. Following Rich's prepared comments we will open the call up for Q & A.

  • Before we begin I would like to remind everyone that a number of statements made today will be forward looking in nature. Please remember that such statements are only predictions and actual results or events may differ materially as a result of risks we face including those discussed in exhibit 99.1 out of our SEC filings. We encourage you to review the summary of these risks in our most recent 10-K filed with the SEC. The Company does not assume any obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Dave.

  • David Walker - CFO

  • Thanks, Lisa. This morning Maximus reported record second quarter results from continuing operations,that exceeded both top line and bottom line expectations. Revenue from continuing operations increased 11% to $227.1 million, or 8% on a constant currency basis,compared to the same period last year. Revenue growth was driven by solid delivery in both segments and across all geographies. Strong operational performance in the second quarter resulted in an operating margin of 13%.

  • As we have discussed on prior calls investors should expect quarterly fluctuations in operating margin. We view this as normal course when you consider the portfolio of transaction-based BPO contracts that we manage, contract life cycles and the timing of expenses. For the second quarter of fiscal 2011, income from continuing operations, net of taxes, grew year-over-year to $19 million. Diluted earnings per share from continuing operations increased 39% to $1.07 for the second quarter compared to adjusted diluted earnings per share of $0.70 last year.

  • Last year's EPS was adjusted to exclude a pre-tax benefit of $6 million or $0.21 per diluted share related to a net legal recovery. We have included a normalization table on the last page of this morning's press release to provide investors with a consistent comparison to the prior year. We are pleased with the results in the quarter, which demonstrate our ongoing commitment to deliver profitable growth. We have worked hard over the last several years to create a healthy portfolio of projects and we remain dedicated to ensuring that new work meets our profit targets.

  • Now, let's look at the performance of our business by segment. Revenue in the health services segment grew 8% to $137.8 million in the second quarter, compared to the same period last year, driven primarily by organic growth and higher than normal volumes in our federal health appeals business. Second quarter operating income for the health services segment grew to $19.4 million compared to $12.7 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2010.

  • As previously discussed, quarterly margin fluctuations are to be expected. Operating margin of 14% compares favorably to the prior year, in part, because the prior year had fluctuated downward. The strong 14% margin in the second quarter is attributable to strong performance, a surge in appeal volumes and favorable timing on certain contracts. Turning to our human services segment, second quarter revenue for the segment grew 16%, or 10% on a constant currency basis. To $89.3 million compared to the same period last year.

  • As expected, growth was driven by our international welfare-to-work programs. Segment operating income grew 12%, to $10.1 million compared to the second quarter of last year. Second quarter operating margin was consistent with the prior year, at 11.3%, but was dampened by a cost growth on a fixed contract.

  • During the quarter we were notified of award on three new contracts under the United Kingdoms work program. Two as a prime and one as a sub-contractorI'll discuss the financial implications of these contracts in greater detail when I cover guidance. Moving on to cash flow and balance sheet items, cash provided by operating activities from continuing operations for the three months ended March 31st, was $6 million, with free cash flow from continuing operations of $374,000. As expected cash flows were lower compared to last quarter as receivables balances increased to a DSO level of 61 days.

  • Share repurchases were not material in the quarter and at March 31st, we had $122.2 million available for repurchases under our board authorized program. Also in the quarter, we paid add quarterly cash dividend of $0.15 per share for a total of $2.6 million. This reflects the 25% increase to the dividend that we announced in January. We exited the second quarter with $183.2 million in cash, and cash equivalents of which 52% has held domestically.

  • It is important to recognize that our international subsidiaries typically generate solid cash flows and that cash is held overseas. These overseas cash balances are not readily available for repurchases or dividend payments without incurring significant U.S. tax upon repatriationThese overseas funds are used for our international expansion. While we remain committed to returning excess capital to shareholders, we are actively engaged on the M&A side, and are evaluating acquisition opportunitiesthat will further compliment our footprint or enhance our core offerings.

  • Moving on to guidance. As noted in this morning's press release, we are increasing our fiscal 2011 revenue and earnings guidance. To recap, we now expect revenue in the range of $910 million to $920 million and adjusted diluted EPS from continuing operations to range between $4.10 and $4.25 for fiscal 2011. Both revenue and profit will be back end loaded in the fourth quarter due to seasonality, new work coming on line, and the expansion of existing contracts. So for the third quarter we expect that revenue will be consistent with the second quarter, and earnings will be slightly below our second quarter results. For the full fiscal year, we now expect operating margin to range between 12.5% and 13%.

  • We are also making a slight adjustment to our fiscal 2011 cash flow guidance, and now expect cash provided by operating activities derived from continuing operations to be in the range of $70 million to $90 million for fiscal 2011. We expect pre-cash flow from continuing operation in the range of $50 million to $70 million. Our revised fiscal 2011 guidance includes the impact from the new UK contracts in this fiscal year. Our UK revenue estimates for fiscal 2011 remain unchanged, and we still expect revenue from the programs in the range of $35 million to $40 million in fiscal 2011. This assumes certain revenue and profit benefits that we expect to realize in the fourth quarter as the current FND program winds down. These benefits will help offset start up costs as the new work program begins in the fourth quarter.

  • Let's turn our attention to the expected impacts of the UK program on fiscal 2012 and beyond. As a reminder, the three new contracts do not include work in our current encumbered region, as a result we are winding down an accretive, fully ramped revenue stream. At the same time, we will be launching the three new contracts from the ground up. So this means that our revenue run rate for the UK is expected to be approximately 40% lower in fiscal 2012. As a result, we now expect fiscal 2012 revenue from the UK contracts to range between $20 million and $25 million.

  • As noted in our press release on April 1st, vendor compensation is tied to longer term outcomes and we expect that revenue will ramp over a two year period. This will result in start up, pretax losses, of approximately $9 million to $11 million in fiscal 2012, with the majority of the loss in the first half of the year, and then nearing break even in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2012. The Company routinely expects contract life cycles to impact earnings. Despite the relative size of the UK contract when we blend in the rest of our business portfolio, we still believe that fiscal 2012 is shaping up to be a solid year for Maximus with lots of opportunities within our core markets.

  • As Rich will talk about in greater detail, the longer term economics of the UK program are compelling. Since our public announcement we have also refined our model for the work program contracts. And we are increasing our financial expectations. We now estimate that the contracts will contribute in excess of $90 million in annual revenue when fully ramped with operating margins north of 15%. The programs are expected to hit their full run rate in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2013. Now, I'll turn the call over to Rich to provide additional details on fiscal 2012, the UK programs, and how the overall business is tracking.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Thanks, David, and good morning everyone. Today Maximus reported another quarter of solid financial results. I am pleased with the progress we've made in the second quarter both operationally and financially. We remain keenly focused on our two primary growth opportunities, further expansion of our global operations and continued development and positioning of our domestic operations as governments seek ways to improve the efficiencies of their health and human services programs.

  • Let me start where David left off. It is too early to provide specific fiscal 2012 guidance as there are many elements to solidify including final negotiations on the UK contracts. Yet, we believe fiscal 2012 will be a year of continued growth both top line and bottom line. As you know, our long term growth targets are 10% plus both revenue and earnings. This takes into account that some years we will have accelerated growth, like we experienced in fiscal 2010 along with a solid opportunity to deliver in fiscal 2011. While in other years the pace of growth may be slower, mostly driven by procurement cycles.

  • With a ramp-up of the UK program in fiscal 2012, in the associated start up losses, we believe our earnings growth in fiscal 2012 that that rate will be tempered. But most importantly, overall, our long term 10% plus growth outlook remains on target, and we have a lot of exciting opportunities that will offer multi-year trends for growth. Starting with our international operations. We were recently notified of an award for three welfare-to-work contract in the United Kingdom under the work program. We are very pleased to receive the right balance of awarded territories in pricing terms, which represent an increased presence and a doubling of our current annual run rate in the UK.

  • I want to address the number of awards we received in related terms. It is important to acknowledge that heavy price discounting played a factor in the selection process. And while some vendors heavily discounted their prices, Maximus offered a price structure that we believe reflects our commitment to prudent , balanced, profitable growth. Most importantly, this sets the table for us to make the necessary investments to deliver the outcomes that will drive the UK government's success of the program. Our model is to deliver the outcomes that matter for a fair return, not the lowest price.

  • All three contracts were awarded to Maximus and its alliance partner Careers Development Group. Maximus will serve as prime on two of the contracts and CDG will prime the third. Maximus and CDG work collaboratively under the prior FND program, and delivered some of the finest results in the country. This alliance combines the very best expertise in both the private and non-profit sectors. Maximus brings robust international experience in some of the most innovative welfare-to-work programs including those in Australia. At the same time, CDG offers expertise in engaging hard to reach job seekers and brings established relationships with community-based organizations throughout the United Kingdom. Both Maximus and CDG possess enviable track records of moving high volumes of job seekers into long term sustainable employment.

  • As David noted, the overall economics of these contracts are very favorable to those vendors who can perform over the long haul. Margins for the overall life of the program are expected to be north of 15%, with the possibility to drive additional upside, contingent upon performance and outcome achievement. As we have mentioned in the past, the UK's redesign welfare-to-work model ties provider compensation to job-seeker sustained employment. This model is directly aligned with our core competency of hitting performance requirements on outcomes-based programs.

  • As the highest rated provider in the United Kingdom, under FND, and a top rated provider in Australia, we are well positioned to help job seekers achieve meaningful employment and economic independence. The additional UK work is only part of our larger land and expand strategy that provides us with a more meaningful platform from which to grow our operations. Our emphasis will remain on balanced profitable growth, where each new opportunity will be subject to the same rigorous criteria for pricing and program scope that we have applied to all our markets. We view every new win as a building block to our strategy.

  • Our experience in Australia is a good example of how we successfully executed the strategy. Our strong track record of delivery there has allowed us to grow revenue 800% since we acquired that business in 2002. Just recently, Maximus gained five new location sites through Australia's performance-based star rating system. The star rating system was established as a means to assess and compare provider outcomes. This flexible model allows the government to shift under-performing welfare-to-work site locations to higher rated vendors. The model incentivises vendors to focus on transitioning people from welfare to sustainable employment. We expect the United Kingdom will implement a similar rating system for vendor performance under the work program. The five new locations represent a couple of million dollars of new annual revenue, a small addition to our Australian book of business, but one that represents our disciplined land and expand approach to growth.

  • Turning now to our domestic operations, we are very pleased with the recent news from GartnerGartner awarded Maximus the 2011 Business Process Management Program of the year. We also received top honors for delivering innovative BPM solutions, beating out world class industry giants and business process experts. The Gardner award speaks volumes to our efforts to drive innovation, quality, and efficiencies in the government programs by optimizing people, process, and technology. These awards recognize the business process re-engineering disciplines we have implemented in our Texas health operations.

  • We use data driven analytics to improve overall operations and service delivery, while at the same time offering enhanced data reporting to the client. Our innovation in Texas has a direct impact in winning new work in Colorado and offers us advantages with new opportunities going forward. Our business process management disciplines and best practices can be replicated across other programs to help government clients improve efficiencies and reduce costs. And as you know, states remain constrained by fiscal and budgetary pressures while at the same time, they are facing an increasing demand for services. Many states are employing a variety of levers to reduce cost and manage budgets.

  • As we have talked about on the last call, many states are actively shifting Medicaid populations from fee-for-service to managed care to help rein in cost. In California, we are enrolling new populations such as seniors and persons with disabilities, commonly referred to as SPD populations, into managed care. And in Texas, we where Medicaid managed care is already mandatory in major metropolitan areas like Dallas, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio, the state is now expanded managed care into the rest of the state including rural Texas. As the existing Medicaid administrative enrollment broker for the state, Maximus will help approximately 980,000 individuals select and enroll into managed care plans. Also, Texas is introducing the Texas dental program, a new managed care program for all clients under age 21. Maximus will assist clients in their selection of dental plans as well.

  • Over the short term, we expect this volume expansion and additional scope to increase the value of our Medicaid contract in fiscal 2012. And we continue to see healthy pipeline of opportunities as states contemplate new models for helping Medicaid beneficiaries. In addition to managed care expansion, we continue to see forward movement on health care reform. Six states have enacted insurance exchange laws and several other states appear to be making progress on similar legislation. And while the political cross currents remain headline news, we are seeing an increase in activity from the recipients of the early innovator grants. Additionally, as budgets remain under close scrutiny, governments continue to face increased emphasis on accountability, deficit reduction, and expense management. Ultimately, the fundamental need to reduce healthcare costs through broad-based reform, still remains a top priority for everyone on both sides of the aisle.

  • Moving on to new awards and sales pipeline. On May 2nd, our fiscal year to date signed contract wins total $904 million. Compared to $304 million reported last year. The increase in new signed awards includes over $500 million for previously announced rebid awards in California, and Texas. These two contracts alone represent an annualized contract value of approximately $160 million.

  • New contracts pending or those contracts that are awarded but unsigned, were exceptionally strong in the quarter driven by the award of the United Kingdom contracts. New contracts pending totaled $526 million compared to $470 million last year. Our pipeline of sales opportunities on May 2nd totalled $1.2 billionand this reflects the movement of work into awarded categories. As a reminder, we will routinely experience fluctuations between the sales pipeline and new sales awards driven by the procurement process and the timing of when contracts are awarded and signed.

  • Looking beyond fiscal 2011, our portfolio of longer-term contracts provides us with a more predictable stream of recurring revenue. Since we have several multi-year programs underway at various stages of maturity and profitability we are able to absorb the diluted impacts of the first year of the UK program and still achieve growth. So even when you consider the ramp-up effects of the new work in the UK, the overall dynamics in our portfolio today set the stage for continued top and bottom line growth in fiscal 2012 and beyond. With consistent solid performance over the last couple of years Maximus stands well positioned to capitalize on the many opportunities in front of us. We have a healthy balance sheet and will continue to return excess cash to our shareholders through our ongoing dividend and repurchase programs.

  • It's important that we strike a balance for cash deployment as we look forward to our longer term strategic initiatives which may include complimentary acquisitions to expand our offerings or geographic reach. In closing, we generated continued gains in our performance in the second quarter with an increased outlook for fiscal 2011, in anticipated growth into 2012. Our recent UK wins re-enforce our commitment to profitable and long term growth. We are also benefiting from important awards in the domestic healthcare arena that highlight our eligibility in enrollment capabilities, which will be a critical component of any health care reform effort.

  • Before we turn the call back to the operator, I would like to highlight our upcoming Investor Day on June 29th. This event will feature business and market trends as well as panel discussions with former governors, and health care and welfare reform policy experts. For those who will not be able to join us in New York City on the 29th of June, we will provide a webcast of the day's events on our website. Invitations will be forthcoming.

  • And with that, let's open it up for questions,

  • Operator

  • Thank you. (Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from Torin Eastburn with CJS Securities. Please state your question.

  • Torin Eastburn - Analyst

  • Good morning.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Good morning, Torin. How are you?

  • Torin Eastburn - Analyst

  • I'm good. My first question is putting aside new business for a second, what are the volume trends like in the existing business that you have now?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Well, I think from a volume trend perspective I think it is fair to say that we are experiencing increasing volumes. Most notably in our health business, and I think the driver behind that as we talked about on the prepared remarks, Torin. Really is the shift from fee-for-service to managed care. So I think as a general rule we are increasing volumes.

  • Torin Eastburn - Analyst

  • Okay. And my second question you have had three great years of new contract wins and my brain's tendency to (inaudible) revert wondering if that is sustainable. On the other hand, obviously you have got a big tail wind from health care reform. You have done a great job expanding internationally. How do you view the new contract environment for the next three years as opposed to, say, the last three years?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Next three years versus the last three years, we actually think -- I have to break it up a little bit in terms of different camps. One would be the domestic camp, and the health side in particular. I think it's from a general perspective, Torin, I think it is fair to say that in the last couple of years we have seen a lot of activity really at the planning level around health care reform, a bit of pause around health care reform as the legislation was being contemplated and formed and enacted. We continue to see a fair amount of states in the planning stage. I think we are seeing more traction with states emerging from the thought stage into the planning stage. I have Bruce Caswell here who runs our health business, Bruce, any comments in that regard?

  • Bruce Caswell - President and General Manager, Health Services Segment

  • I think that's exactly right, Rich. In fact, we see it kind of a gap developing between those states that are pressing on the accelerator pedal and moving ahead, whether it's through using the planning funds that they were granted, or the establishment, the early innovator grants that have been granted, and those states that for various reasons are holding back. As a consequence, I think it places an emphasis on working with those early innovator states, those pace car states and ensuring that a solution is available to those that are going to need a plan B down the road.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • So when you add all of that up, we had been in a position, if we had this conversation a year ago, we are expecting a fairly significant pause on our domestic health business, awaiting the real rollout of health care reform. If anything, that seems to be moving forward a little bit sooner than we had expected. I think we are getting some traction with those states that feel compelled to be ready for the roll out on January 1st, 2013. But in addition, a bit of a pleasant surprise has been the significance of the trend from managed -- from fee-for-service to managed care, and that's actually driving increased revenues today and most notably expecting a fairly significant increase in 2012 because of that.

  • Torin Eastburn - Analyst

  • Thank you.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Okay.

  • Operator

  • Our next question comes from Bryan Kinstlinger from Sidoti. Please state your question.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Right, thanks. Hi guys.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Hi, Brian

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • The first question I wanted to ask about was a follow-up on the -- on some of the points you made on the fee-for-service to managed care. You had mentioned that the health appeals, I think in your prepared remarks, were the primary dive for the growth, so my guess is managed care was helping modestly so far. So I guess my real question is when do you expect that transition and the enrollments to really start to have more meaningful of an impact on your numbers?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Well, first in the form of confirmation, you are correct. And we specifically noted the higher volumes in our federal health appeals business was a key factor in this quarter. I do think generally at this point in time we are getting some modest lift, but we expect increasing lift from this trend fee-for-service to managed care. Bruce Caswell, you can as to this as well. You're the one who handles this book of business day in and day out.

  • Bruce Caswell - President and General Manager, Health Services Segment

  • Rich, I think you are absolutely right. We are starting to see now as state legislatures have approved these expansions and as we see as kind of negating factors, first the legislature approval, and then the MCO procurement process, and then the actual implementation kicks in. We're starting to see that traction as we turn the corner. I would say Q4 this year, but really mostly in fiscal 2012 that impact will be most felt in the states that we serve.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Great. And then I'm not sure -- I was in and out, but the eligibility services systems you are putting in, where are we are RFPs from states? I know where we were with California, New York, last quarter you talked about a lot of opportunities. Can you touch on where the RFP states are? Do you have bids in already? Thanks.

  • Bruce Caswell - President and General Manager, Health Services Segment

  • First I would just -- this is Bruce Caswell. I would say I'd make a distinction between eligibility systems vs.. eligibility support services which is BPO business that we're in.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Right.

  • Bruce Caswell - President and General Manager, Health Services Segment

  • We don't actually implement eligibility systems as turnkey systems in the marketplace as you might find other vendors doing. That said, states continue to show great interest in reforming the administrative processes by which they support these populations and we have continued to do presentations and respond to RFIs and we anticipate some RFPs as well forth coming in the market. So it is definitely a vibrant marketplace, particularly given the budgetary challenges that Medicaid officials are facing.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Great. Can you just talk about the, maybe I missed this too, the tick up in SG&A on the health services side? It seemed abnormally large, just quarter-over-quarter. Is there anything particular there?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • We going to ask Dave Walker to address that, Brian.

  • David Walker - CFO

  • That's just normal timing and we always tell people to look at the operating income. Our operational people move up to the G&A when they are working a lot of proposals, there's no rhyme or reason on the timing of proposals and that's all it is.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Okay. And the contract execution last quarter you talked about a troubled contract David, or Rich, sorry, maybe talk about how that's played out this quarter and is that something behind us?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • YesDuring the quarter we saw a cost growth of about $4.2 million that we recorded. We anticipate no future losses on this contract, and on balance we think our risk management program, although we're not risk free, is really working and has allowed us to lever consistent operating income margins.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • So there was still a modest loss on that income this quarter? You said that is going to end? Is that what you're saying?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • We recorded $4.2 million in the quarter.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • $4.2 million, okay.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • And we do not anticipate future losses going forward.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Okay. The -- I'm curious on your original FND contract, how you expect the delayed revenue from the job placements to play out? Is that identified yet?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Bryan, it is identified. It's a complicated situation to begin with. But as we transfer off the existing FND contracts and ramp up the new work program contracts obviously the hand offs and the wind downs are very very important. So it is a subject of discussion between the government and all the providers. So the way this is being constructed to work, l'll give you a little bit of a walk through so you can understand the different moving pieces here.

  • First off, on the new work, we are going to pick up we are going to pick up about 20 sites. We expect we will launch those sites on June 15th. We will be taking referrals at that point in time, and we'll be keying those up for actually face-to-face client engagement towards the end of June. And as you know that's a five year contract, but the outcomes fall -- the tail end will run for a couple of years after the five years. And we're in the process -- our team is in the process of finalizing those locations. Looking for the right sites and negotiating leases etc.

  • So we are in full-fledged design, ramp up mode as it relates to the new contract, on the prior contract, we are closing down 12 sites. We will keep five to service clients. That contract formally ends on June 30th, but we will continue to service accounts through those five locations in our central operation through December, possibly February, and so there will be a tail during which we expect to receive the outcomes that would have occurred in the normal course, even post June 30th.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • So that will help partially offset the losses in early fiscal 2012 it sounds like? Not by a huge amount but a little bit?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • Actually, the way it plays out I think it is a bigger factor in the fourth quarter ended September 30th, 2011. And that obviously is factored into our guidance, the revised guidance we shared with you today.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Got it. And then I do want to touch before I go on Australia. And how it relates to the UK. It's great to hear you have added five new sites. How often are they going to re-evaluate now with this system, is there a big re-evaluation coming? I thought it was every year.

  • And then when we look at the UK, it seems you're sharing market share from Australia, without naming any particular names are you stealing share or any of the vendors losing share, the three major ones on the UK program that won so much work? Are they the ones that are losing share, if so maybe why?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • I think that the Australian program which we admire, we think it's just a world class program and is really a great program, I think they do a great job to balance what they pay in the outcomes that are important to the government to the people. And it is a model that very much focuses on rebalancing the work, and reallocating the work from those vendors whose are not delivering the outcomes and assigning it to those that are delivering the outcomes. So the whole model itself is based upon a shifting in market share.

  • I don't think it's so regimented that this occurs -- this rebalancing occurs religiously every month or three months or year, it's the government's discretion, but over the past year, I think that the -- years, they have routinely reallocated work, and that's the real reason that Maximus has grown its Australian business to the size that it is today. So -- and I do think it's been to the demise of those vendors who take a different approach, including some of those that were awarded a fair amount of work in the United Kingdom, so it really sets up a test of the models. We are comfortable with our model, we are comfortable that our value add is that we seek to deliver the out comes that matter to the government, and our primary goal is not to be the lowest cost provider, rather the best outcomes provider.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • One last question, sorry. On the dividend side, was the piece where you mentioned where your cash is sitting, a message that you don't plan to increase your dividend given where the cash sits? I guess I'm just wondering given your strong cash flow, more than adequate to obviously pay much higher dividends. So I guess I'm curious, is that the message you're sending?

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • No, not at all. That's not the message. We thought it would be helpful data for our shareholders and interested parties to understand a little bit more about our cash and the cash situation. But it is not intended to be a message that we do not intend to consider increasing in our dividend.

  • Brian Kinstlinger - Analyst

  • Great, thanks so much.

  • Rich Montoni - President, CEO

  • You bet. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • Thank you. Just a reminder if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for a couple moments and poll for questions. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no questions at this time. This concludes today's conference. All parties may now disconnect. Have a great day, thank you.