Maximus Inc (MMS) 2007 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Maximus third-quarter earnings call. During this session, all lines will be muted until the question-and-answer portion of the call. If you need audio assistance please press star zero and an operator will assist you. At this time I'd like to turn the call over to Lisa Miles, Director of Investor Relations.

Good morning and thank you for joining us for our third-quarter earnings conference call. If you wish to follow along, we've posted a presentation on our website under the Investor Relations page.

On the call today is Rich Montoni, Chief Executive Officer; and David Walker, Chief Financial Officer. Following our prepared comments we will open the call up to Q&A. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that a number of statements being made today will be forward-looking in nature. Please remember that such statements are only predictions and actual events or results may differ materially as a result of risks we face including those discussed in Exhibit 99.1 of our SEC filing. We encourage you to review the summary of these risks in our most recent 10-Q filed with the SEC. The Company does not assume any obligation to revise or update these forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Dave.

Thanks, Lisa. Good morning.

This morning the Company reported third-quarter revenue totaling $196.6 million and a net loss of $14.4 million or a loss of $0.65 per share. The loss was a result of the previously announced settlement and legal charge which generated an after-tax charge of $1.30 per share in the quarter.

Excluding this charge, earnings per share in the third quarter was $0.65 per share, demonstrating our continued efforts to optimize the business.

The Company achieved many firsts this quarter. The revenue of $196.6 million is the highest posted in a quarter. Cash and marketable securities of $214.8 million is a new Maximus high water mark and DSOs, our key metric for receivable management, was at 75 days, the best level ever obtained by the Company.

The legal and settlement charge of $33 million principally related to the previously disclosed settlement for an investigation on a contract in Washington, D.C. The $33 million includes three components: $30.5 million of settlement expense, $1.2 million of legal costs associated with the D.C. matter, and a reserve of approximately $1.3 million for future legal expenses related to the on-going arbitration with Accenture. A large portion of the legal and settlement expense of $33 million is not tax deductible. This expense, net of the associated tax benefit of $4.5 million, results in an after-tax charge of $1.30 per share.

Overall, the results of our operations were consistent with our plans for the quarter. Our strong performance from the operations segment offset the anticipated charges in the systems segment which relate to our on-going efforts to resolve legacy contract terms.

Let's jump into the details by segment. Let's start with the operations segment, which had a very strong quarter. The operations segment benefited from the new Texas contract to replace the legacy subcontract with Accenture. In addition to the good news from Texas, we enjoyed strong organic growth and margin expansion.

Last quarter, Rich talked about several of our new wins in health and work force services that are now fully contributing and driving profitable growth in the segment. Revenue for the operations segment totaled $139.3 million for the third quarter compared to revenue of $131.2 million for the same period last year. The prior year revenue for the quarter included approximately $17 million from a non-recurring boating hardware sale and a divested business.

If we normalize for these items, the operations segment grew a healthy 22%. Half of this normalized growth came from the Texas Project with the balance coming from organic growth. The operations segment posted an operating income of $24.6 million in the quarter compared to a loss of $23.1 million reported for the same period last year.

Texas was the largest driver of this $47.7 million improvement in operating income as it generated $34.3 million of a loss in the third quarter of last year. As we previously mentioned, the new Texas contracts are profitable and also benefiting the current quarter with the collection of $3.2 million in previously reserved receivables related to the Texas subcontract. The balance of the income growth is attributed to organic growth, margin expansion, timing on revenue recognition and change orders.

Consulting segment revenue was $23.3 million for the third quarter and as expected operating income improved sequentially to $2 million, or an operating margin of 8.7%. The consulting segment performed largely as expected during the quarter. Operating income and margin were lower compared to last year. This is primarily attributable to fluctuations as a result of the timing of work. We also experienced some softness which will continue for the near term as we transition a segment away from some of the contingent fee work we have traditionally performed in the Medicaid claiming area. We are working with our clients to help them understand how a more traditional fixed fee or hourly rate contract would be mutually beneficial.

In addition, the consulting team continues to focus on expansion into new markets which Rich will talk about in greater detail later.

Moving onto the systems segment, systems revenue in the third fiscal quarter grew to $34 million compared to $28.7 million reported for the same period last year. Revenue growth compared to last year was fueled by new contracts in the ERP division and steady growth and asset solutions. Despite this revenue growth, the segment lost $3.6 million in the third quarter compared to a loss of $3 million for the same period last year.

This quarterly loss in the systems segments was primarily caused by charges in our justice division as we continue to resolve legacy contracts where the development scope was not clearly defined. The largest charge in justice relates to a reserve for receivables in a project in Connecticut.

As we stated in last quarter's call, 2007 remains a transition year for the systems segment. We continue to deploy both technical and sales resources into our education systems division which launched an early version of its SchoolMAX student information system at the end of the last fiscal year. This softness in education is offset by the solid rebound of the ERP division with a refreshed backlog of profitable contracts relative to last year.

As I said earlier, our strong performance from the operations segment offset the anticipated charges in the systems segment which relate to our on-going efforts to resolve legacy contracts. We continue to aggressively manage legacy contracts and leverage processes to ensure new contracts are awarded with equitable terms.

Overall, excluding legal charges, we delivered an operating margin of 11.7%. We continue to believe thatm long term, Maximus can consistently deliver an operating margin in excess of 10%.

Moving on to balance sheet and cash flow items, we ended the third fiscal quarter with cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities of $214.8 million, which is before the outlay of cash for the D.C. settlement which was paid out in July. Our accounts receivable for the quarter totaled $160.7 million. We also have $1.9 million in long-term accounts receivables which are classified within our other assets on the balance sheet. Our receivables decreased $5.1 million over last quarter while revenue sequentially increased $17.5 million.

This drove our DSOs in the quarter down to 75 days. The improvement in DSOs is one of the indicators that we are focused on equitable business terms, we are resolving legacy contracts, back-ended contract retentions and are focused on business discipline and teamwork. We are very pleased with this record DSO level. As a result of this improvement, we now expect normalized DSOs in the long term to be in the range of 75 to 85 days.

As you know, cash flow in the quarter was very strong. Cash provided from operating activities totaled $34.3 million in the quarter with free cash flow of $29.7 million. Because of the D.C. settlement, cash flow in the fourth quarter is expected to be negative.

And with that, I'll turn the call over to Rich.

Thanks, David, and good morning, everyone. Overall, as David noted, it was a strong quarter that reflects the solid operational progress we've made over the last year. We've made strides in shifting the overall quality of the Company's business portfolio with better project management, increased oversight, and more favorable terms. We continue to gain more traction from the many actions we've taken over the last year to improve and optimize operations and it's reflected in our financial results.

Moving into the results for the quarter, excluding the impact from the previously disclosed settlement and legal expenses we met earnings expectations for the period. While the magnitude of the settlement in D.C. was greater then expected, I'm pleased to put this matter behind us. This settlement, along with our announcement to retain UBS to help explore strategic alternatives, reflects our overriding strategic focus on maximizing shareholder value by optimizing the business, including our product offerings, cleaning up legacy issues, improving oversight and risk management, and better positioning Maximus for the long-term -- for long-term profitable growth.

Since these announcements two weeks ago, the Company's done aggressive outreach to its clients and employees. Our extensive outreach efforts reinforced our commitment to provide superior solutions and further enhance our capabilities as part of our strategic review. Clients understand our interest in exploring alternatives at this stage in our development and favorably view our interest in broadening our core capabilities and service offerings. Technology is driving the convergence of services in the market. Increasing our IT capabilities to complement our programmatic expertise is essential. This will enhance the solutions we're able to provide our clients so that we remain competitive for the long haul, particularly as a prime contractor. The path of exploring strategic alternatives is driven principally by our interest to broaden our capabilities and enhance service delivery to our clients.

On the D.C. settlement, we took a direct and thorough approach to resolving the matter and to communicating this with our clients. We've taken full responsibility for the actions of our former employees and have implemented several remedial steps in addition to entering into a corporate integrity agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Along with client communications, we also conducted extensive outreach to our employees on the recent developments. I believe our employees are our greatest asset in providing clients with subject matter expertise that distinguishes the Company in the government services sector. Additionally, their support throughout the strategic review process is essential to the long-term success of Maximus and we've been very pleased with their commitment to excellence since we've announced our intentions. I want to personally thank them for their support and continued client service.

Our main priority remains squarely focused on providing our government clients with a level of service that has defined the Company over the last 32 years. So let's talk about our business in more detail, starting with the operations segment.

Our operations segment had a very solid quarter across the board. We were very pleased with the contribution that our Texas operations made during the period. This is the result of four interim agreements we reached directly with the state earlier in the year. We are working to finalize the details of longer term contracts which we hope to have in place by September 1st. We expect three of these contracts to run for another 16 months and the fourth is expected to run through June of 2010.

We've made significant operational progress in Texas over the last six months and we have no new updates regarding the ongoing arbitration with Accenture. It remains ongoing.

Needless to say I'm very pleased with the operational turnaround in Texas and I'm also pleased to note that we continue to expand our leading market presence in the health services and the human services markets. On the call last quarter, I talked about some new wins in our domestic work force services business but we continued to also expand our footprint on Australia where Maximus is one of the highest performing providers in finding employment as part of the Australian government's Welfare-to-Work initiative.

In addition to our current work, Maximus just secured another 11 sites for the Australian work force services program. It's called the Job Network. We expect this new work alone will contribute $25 million to $30 million in revenue beginning this mid-August and will run through June of 2009.

The term on this new contract is shorter then it would be -- we typically see in this business because of the entire program will go back out for competitive rebid in the next 18 to 24 months. We feel very good about our market position there and we're excited about expanding our welfare to work opportunities, both domestically as well as abroad.

In the consulting segment, we continue to make inroads into new areas. Over the last year we've reduced the overall percentage of consulting business coming from contingent fee contracts, going from about 30% in fiscal '06 to roughly 20% for fiscal '07. This reflects the changing revenue mix as we successfully go after new lines of work on a fee for service basis.

We expect some near-term transitional softness as we cycle through projects under old contingent fee terms but at the same time, we've started to refresh the overall backlog of work with new contracts such as one in Oklahoma under fixed fee terms. We are also pursuing other new areas of interest including the fraud, waste and abuse market which I've talked about last quarter. But we're also seeing increasing demand in the area of IV&V consulting, which is independent verification and validation in quality assurance work for the implementation of new state systems.

We've been successfully doing IV&V work for years. In fact, part of our strategy in the consulting segment has been to utilize our subject matter expertise and take advantage of our historical strength in providing IV&V, quality assurance, and program management support services. In this area alone, we've seen increased demand for assistance and support for personnel systems as a result of the upcoming retirement wave expected in the government market.

While we've certainly made great operational progress overall, we still have certain challenges, particularly in the systems segment. As David noted, excluding the charges related to a few contracts for the systems segment, it was essentially running breakeven, similar to last quarter. Our efforts remain focused in managing and resolving these older contracts that have terms in the statements of work that are not well defined. This includes our work on the Connecticut Collect project where we continue to work on a resolution plan with the client.

Switching gears to our new sales award and pipeline, I'm pleased with the progress we've made again this quarter. As noted in the press release, year-to-date new signed awards totaled $423 million, of which, over 60% of new signed awards are coming from work in the operations segment. Additionally, well over 50% of the new signed awards carry total contract values between $5 million and $45 million. This is an ongoing reflection of our efforts of securing new work that is less volume-driven and falls well within our core competencies in the health and human services arena.

We also reported contracts that have been awarded but unsigned as of August 1st that totaled $339 million. Our total sales pipeline remains robust at $1.3 billion, which reflects total opportunities we are tracking across all segments of our business.

So let's wrap up with guidance. As disclosed in this morning's press release, the TRANXP AUDIO STOPPED HERE Company expects total revenue for fiscal 2007 to be in the range of $740 million to $750 million. We've tightened the range because we now expect revenue from the Texas project to be running slightly lower than previously anticipated. Current run rate in Texas is approximately $7 million to $8 million per month. The lower contribution is partially due to the timing of program expansion.

For fiscal 2007, which includes Texas project losses as well as legal and settlement expense through the third quarter, we expect a GAAP loss of $0.35 to $0.45 per share for the full fiscal year. Now excluding these charges, non-GAAP pro forma EPS for the full year 2007 is expected to be in the range of $2 to $2.10 per share. You may want to reference the last table in the press release for year-to-date support on these metrics.

Last quarter, we also established preliminary fiscal 2008 guidance which remains largely unchanged with the revenue growth we expect to be north of 10%. Based on some of the broad demand and strength in organic growth we're also slightly increasing our diluted earnings per share estimates for fiscal 2008. We now expect diluted earnings per share to be in the range of 2.35 to 2.65 per share for fiscal 2008.

And with that let's open up the call for questions.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Our first question is from the line of George Price with Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead.

Hi. Nice quarter, guys. Thanks very much for taking my questions. First I just want to confirm the $3.2 million receivable that was collected previously reserved so that there was a reversal in the quarter, right?

That's correct.

Okay. And I guess how much is -- are there other other accrued reserves, anything else with regard to Texas that if you collect on or other milestones or events that we could see reversals?

There are some that are tied up in the arbitration, but we're not currently forecasting that you'll see any of that this year.

Okay. And then last thing and then I'll turn over. With regard to the fiscal '08 guidance, can you give us some assumptions behind that in terms of margin, operating margin, tax rate, share count assumption, anything like that?

George, this is Rich. Good morning.

How you doing?

I'm doing fine, thank you. Here are my comments on the fiscal '08 guidance at this point in time. First off, our general practice is to provide detailed color when we wrap up our planning process and we're doing that this month. It'll continue partly into September and generally we give detailed commentary when we release the Q4 results.

But the overall considerations that are reflected or behind our new guidance. One, first off, it's important to look at '07, a base of '07 and that's in the range of $2 to $2.10 base operations if you will, sort of a normalized number, and we expect that will grow into $2.35 to $2.65 in fiscal '08. So it gives you a perspective.

From a top line perspective, we expect growth north of 10%. The key drivers in that, the biggest contributor to that growth will be our operations segment and behind that will be -- we'll have Texas for a full year. As we've talked about, we've continued to see some very successful wins in our work force services business. So that will be a major factor in our growth in '08 we expect.

And also and I just talked about it, Max network has some real growth from a revenue perspective that will be a distinguishing contributor in '08.

From an operating income perspective, the key drivers will again be operations segment, number one, and really the same three items that I mentioned,. the Texas project, work force services and Max network. We also expect that the systems segment will be a differentiator and that we expect it to be profitable in FY '08 versus FY '07.

Generally, we expect to see fewer and lesser project losses as we benefit from the improving caliber of our project portfolio. And I think it reflects our continued efforts to optimize our operations as we've been talking about for the last 12 months.

From a margin perspective, I do think the overall margin will end up north of 10% for fiscal '08 but I'll defer any detailed discussion until we get into results for the fourth quarter.

Should we just assume the tax rate stays at about what, 40% has generally been your guidance?

It's generally what we're using. We're actually using 42 exclusive of these one-time charges related to D.C. for the bulk of this year. But 40% for '08 and beyond is very reasonable.

Great. Thank you.

Our next question is from the line of Matthew Mckay with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Great. Good morning, guys. First question, on the $2 to $2.10 base pro forma EPS, does that include the $0.12 for the Ontario loss provision in Q1?

It excludes all of the -- that's right, it does include the loss, Matt.

Just curious why you'd include that in that base EPS?

I think you have to go to that exhibit, which is page 10 of the press release. The supplemental pro forma. And we've chosen, and again it's pro forma information but to give you a base, arguably you could adjust it further so you'd have north of $2 to $2.10. But we've chosen to adjust those that are truly extraordinary and that was Texas and the legal and settlement expenses. That's what's excluded to get to the $2 to $2.10.

Okay. Fair enough. And DSO should -- is that going to continue to trend down, do you think?

What we're essentially saying -- and it depends on working capital usage -- but we think between 75 and 85 days is a pretty good range that we think the DSOs will move between.

Okay. And then just a -- what do you expect for capitalized software and CapEx per quarter going forward?

It tends -- if you look at the total CapEx, cap software sand stuff, tends to run about 2.5% of revenue and generally speaking our use of capital is pretty consistent historically.

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Our next question is from the line of Charles Strauzer with CJS. Please go ahead.

Good morning.

Good morning, Charlie.

Rich, if you can expand on the Q4 guidance that's inherent for the rest of the year, can you just give us a better sense of the segment margin expectations?

Yes, be glad to do that. I think the fourth quarter we expect to be relatively consistent with the third quarter. I would tell you that we expect to see some shifts between the segments. I think you should expect that the operations segment won't perform to the stellar level, because as David talked about, you had a one-time recovery which we're not forecasting anything of that nature in the fourth quarter related to the Texas contract. And we expect that the systems segment will perform better than it did in the third quarter. So I would say those are the macro shifts from a segment perspective.

So X'ing out the one-time charge a little bit better then breakeven, maybe slightly profitable?

The systems piece?

Yes.

Correct.

And what was the FAS 123R expense in the quarter?

Do you have that handy? Get it in a minute.

We'll research that for you. Do you have any other questions in the interim, Charles?

Yes, Rich, just for you. You mentioned, maybe David mentioned that the education market was a little bit soft on the systems side as well. Is there something, kind of a broader macro theme that you're seeing there or is it just specific to certain clients? Can you expand on that a little bit?

My sense on the education market is it's a fairly large market, robust market. I do think the industry needs new technology. Maximus has made some investments in technology and we're early stages and I think that's probably driving our financial performance as opposed to any commentary on the market as a whole.

So it's basically our stage and it's an early stage in operation for us and we're in the process of building out that technology, new releases. We've got three or four clients that we're in the process of implementing that and we've made some investments in sales and marketing so that's having an impact. Things should improve as we move forward towards a more mature model.

Got it. And just staying in the systems segment for one more second. If you look at where you are from legacy contracts versus some of the new contracts coming into the portfolio, where do you think you are in kind of working out some of the more problematic legacy contracts? .

My belief is that we've turned the corner from a total Company perspective and from a systems perspective as it relates to getting our arms around problem contracts and there's an inflection point that you reach where you feel that you've got a normalized portfolio and it's reasonable. I think we've reached that from a total Company perspective. Overall, I would say operations did the best job to get their first, Charlie, and I would also say the systems segment probably had the biggest challenges and remains to the biggest challenges but from a total portfolio perspective I think we've turned that corner.

Great. Thank you very much.

Charlie, Dave Walker. The FAS 123R was $800,000 in the quarter.

Is that a good number to use in Q4?

Yes, I think so.

Okay. Great. Thank you, Dave. Thanks, Rich.

Our next question is from the line of Jason Kupferberg with UBS. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Allison Hiken in for Jason. I was wondering, because Maximus is in the midst of reviewing your strategical alternatives, have you seen any tangible impact on the pipeline bookings or employee turnover? We've seen that in the past with other companies after they announced something like this. I was just wondering if you were worried about that.

I heard the first part of the question, have we seen any impact on the pipeline. The second part was where you broke up.

The bookings or employee turnover.

That's a great question and that's something we've given a lot of thought to and spent a lot of time with a very detailed program, outreach program, as I talked about in the call notes, directed at our clients and also directed at our employees. As it relates to clients it's very interesting. Clients remain very concerned, their number one concern is that they continue to receive the high level of service that they've contracted to receive, they've received in the past. And quite frankly they believe Maximus is distinguished in many, many regards so they want to see that preserved.

They also are very appreciative of I'll say the foresight to think about the next decade and what their services might be. So they encourage open thought, i.e. our strategic process, to bring to bear leading-edge technologies and capabilities over the next decade, but again, subject to them not missing a beat as it relates to their ongoing service. That's very, very important and obviously as a management team, we will remain intensely focused on that which leads us to our employees and we've had an extensive outreach program, communications program with our employees and as you might expect there's a number of employees that initially are very concerned about what's it mean to them, what's it means to their position. I will tell that you our belief, and I think our employees acknowledge this, is that at the project level there's very, very little risk.

At the heart of our business is our employees. It is what distinguishes Maximus in the marketplace, our subject matter expertise. So we need to continue that and nobody will invest in this Company without a program to preserve that subject matter expertise.

So our belief is that it offers more opportunity in the long term to our clients and our employees. There's some individuals that could theoretically be impacted and we've got special programs to make sure that they're taken care of and retained as appropriate. So good question, very much in the forefront of our mind and I think we're doing the right things to make sure we continue to and we don't lose any ground and continue to gain ground.

Okay. Great. And then just one other question on Texas. Can you kind of give us a rough sense of how much, like the magnitude of revenues from Texas that you're expecting for in your fiscal '08 guidance contribution?

I think we've pretty much taken a steady state approach to that. I said it's running $7 million, $8 million a month. I think in our FY '08 guidance, we've assumed pretty much that steady state.

Okay. So this is not dependent on Accenture's final negotiation results?

That's correct. We do not have anything in our fiscal '08 forecast for a settlement, positive or negative, with Accenture.

Okay. Great. Thanks. guys.

Our next question is from the line of Steve Balog with Cedar Creek Management. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Margins in the operations segment. They're really good. If you take out the accounts receivable reversal, they're still good. Well, well above 10% and I'm just wondering if that's sustainable? There's another company in the government services area, smaller and to a layman like myself, I think it's a similar. They claim you just shouldn't go over 10% or the customers kind of get mad at you. They don't like to see you making that much money off the government. Is there something different about your business or -- that makes this okay to be that profitable in this area?

I think there's a little bit of seasonality in the June quarter that reverses in subsequent quarters and certainly isn't there in the December and March quarters and that's our tax claiming business. So that will temper it down a little bit. I do think conceptually you're right. There's a watchful eye on margins that are egregious. I don't think that our portfolio is such that we're egregious. I think we're fair with our customers.

You may want to temper that a little bit, certainly for the reversal of the reserve, as you mentioned, and a bit of the seasonality and then I think we end up in that normalized range. As you know we've challenged ourselves to get our business north of 10%. We're pleased to get there this year. We think it's sustainable.

I don't want to raise the bar at this point in time and say, especially the operations segment, is a consistent north of 12% deliver. I think it's fair and I think it's north of 10%.

Great, thanks.

Our last question is a follow-up question from the line of George Price with Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead.

Thanks very much. In terms of the fiscal '07 revenue guidance, down $20 million at the top end of the range. How much of that is -- obviously some of that is Texas, how much of that is sort of lost or should we assume that it's all shifted into fiscal '08 or can you give us a little color on that?

Go ahead, David.

Yes, George. It's largely Texas and I think it's a new program. We're trying to get a good bead on it and that's all. That's largely what it is.

Okay. So is it shifted or lost? I guess -- .

I think it's more lost and we're not going to forecast in the shift until we see the indication from the client that that increase in monthly revenue is there. I think initially when we forecasted the new operations for Texas, we were thinking a monthly run rate in the vicinity of $10 million and it's proven to be slightly less than that in the $8 million range and that's really based upon the client's ramp plan. So that's what we've continued out. I wouldn't say that it's shifted into '08, George.

Okay. All right, I just wanted to be clear on that. And then, in terms of the Australian work force program, you said $25 million to $30 million through '09. Was that over that period? So is that over two fiscal years then?

I think it's slightly less than that. I think it's 22 months starting in August.

Okay. And is this work similar to the stuff that you did in Israel?

It's similar to the work that we are doing in Israel and it's very similar, it's actually an expansion of the work that we're already doing in Australia. In fact, the award comes to us by a reallocation based upon performance of the existing providers and our team out there has done just a phenomenal job and distinguishes itself as one of the top providers of welfare work services in Australia. That's the driver behind the award.

Is all that -- $25 million to $30 million, is that all incremental?

Yes.

Okay. Great, thank you.

Okay. Thank you.

Actually one other thing. How is Israel going by way?

Israel has gone fine. It's up for rebid at this point in time. So, it's performed according to plan and we are anxious to proceed to the next chapter.

How much is up for rebid on an annual basis and when's the decision point?

The decision point is current and on an annualized basis, the revenue is, it's about a $6 million to $8 million run rate.

Yes, but we, just a reminder, we own 55% of that, so then we have to eliminate any profits, that or a minority interest in the bottom line.

Got you. Okay, thank you.

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