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Good afternoon and thank you for joining us from Miami International Holdings, or MAx's 4th quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. I'm John T. Williams, head of investor relations. With us today are Thomas P. Gallagher, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Lance Emmons, Chief Financial Officer. We will also have Douglas Schaeffer Jr. Chief Information Officer, and Shelley Brown, Chief Executive Officer of MAXx Futures and Chief Strategy Officer, joining us for the Q&A session following our.

My apologies, you did not hear my introduction. I will begin again.

Thank you for standing by. My name is Debbie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Miami International Holdings Inc. 4th quarter and year-end 2025 earnings call.

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After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.

It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to John T. Williams, senior Vice President and head of investor relations. You may begin your conference.

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us from Miami International Holdings or MAx's 4th quarter and full year's 2025 earnings conference call. I'm John T. Williams, head of investor relations. With us today are Thomas P. Gallagher, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Lance Emmons, Chief Financial Officer. We will also have Douglas Schaeffer Jr. Chief Information Officer, and Shelley Brown, Chief Executive Officer of MAx Futures and Chief Strategy Officer, joining us for the Q&A session following our prepared remarks. Our earnings announcement was released prior to this call and we have published an accompanying slide presentation on our investor relations website IR.Maxglobal.com. In addition, this call is being webcast and an archived version will be available there shortly after the conclusion of the call.

Our discussion today includes forward-looking statements that are based on the expectations, estimates, and projections regarding the company's future performance, anticipated events or trends, and other matters that are not historical facts. The forward-looking statements in our discussion are subject to various assumptions, risks, uncertainties, and other factors that are difficult to predict and which could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore you should not place undue reliance on them. We refer you to our earnings press release and filings with the SEC for a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could impact the future operating results and financial condition of MIA.

We do not intend to update any forward-looking statements made on this conference call to reflect events or circumstances after today or to reflect new information or the occurrence of unanticipated events except as required by law. During today's call, we will refer to non-GAAP measures as defined and reconciled in our earnings materials. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Tom.

Thanks, John.

And welcome to MX. We're excited to have you on board as our new Head of Investor Relations, taking over for Andy Nibo, who will turn his focus back to Corporate Communications.

Thank you all for your interest in MX.

What an extraordinary year 2025 has been, as we've achieved significant strategic milestones while delivering outstanding financial performance across our business.

Today I will provide high‑level 4th quarter and full‑year results.

Update you on our business segments and discuss key strategic developments. Then Lance will walk through our financial highlights.

And our 2026 guidance.

For the 4th quarter, total net revenue grew 52% year over year to $125 million.

Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled year over year to $62 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin improved by 1,400 basis points to 50%.

Q4 adjusted diluted EPS was $0.52.

For the full year 2025, total net revenue grew 56% year over year to $431 million, and adjusted EBITDA more than doubled to $199 million.

Full‑year adjusted EBITDA margin was 46%, reflecting 1,600 basis points of year‑over‑year improvement, while adjusted diluted EPS was $1.02.

These impressive results reflect our ability to capitalize on elevated market volatility and drive continued volume and market share gains across our core business lines.

Our market share in multi‑listed options grew to a record 18.2% in the fourth quarter, up from 15.9% in the prior‑year period. This represents average daily volume of 11.1 million contracts, a 46% year‑over‑year increase that far outpaced industry ADV growth of approximately 28.4%. We have significantly increased our market share over the past few years and see additional opportunities for further expansion.

And we'll continue to balance market share growth with healthy RPC levels.

2025 also brought several transformational developments for MX.

Following our successful IPO, we completed a secondary public offering in December with the closing of a public offering of 7.8 million shares of common stock, which consisted entirely of secondary shares.

While MX did not sell shares or receive proceeds from this offering, it represents another milestone in our evolution as a public company and enhances our liquidity. In late 2025, we announced the strategic sale of 90% of MX Derivatives Exchange, or MXDX, to Robinhood Markets in partnership with Susquehanna International Group while retaining a 10% equity stake.

This transaction, which closed in January of 2026, provides MX with expedited access to the growing prediction markets through our retained equity position, while also enabling us to maintain focus on our core product offerings.

The strategic alignment with Robinhood and Susquehanna closely aligns with our approach of partnering with industry leaders to offer innovative trading products. And we're excited about the long‑term value potential that our equity stake creates for MX's shareholders.

Our MX Sapphire options trading floor in Miami that we launched in the 3rd quarter continues to perform in line with our expectations and demonstrates the continued value of floor‑based trading in today’s hybrid market structure.

We continue to build out new and innovative functionality to support the needs of our floor broker community and their customers, and we intend to roll out a number of additional enhancements in the first half of 2026.

Miami’s emergence as Wall Street South continues to accelerate, and we're proud to be at the center of this transformation as we look to scale our market share over time.

Reflecting back on other notable accomplishments in 2025:

The acquisition of TI enables us to expand our international footprint. The launch of MX Futures Onyx, and the completion of the new MX Futures clearing infrastructure allow us to provide the industry with a high‑performance proprietary trading and clearing platform with state‑of‑the‑art risk management capabilities.

We remain very excited about our Bloomberg Index futures products and plan to launch B100 and B500 futures in the second quarter of 2026.

While we previously communicated a February launch date, we recently made the decision to reschedule it to ensure we have the same reliability and performance profile on our futures platform that we pioneered in options markets. Importantly, we want to ensure the full ecosystem of participants are in fact connected to the new exchange on day one.

We will be introducing retail‑sized contracts first to meet retail broker demand for access to products with low trading fees. We are also focused on offering products to meet emerging retail investor demand that allow them to hedge and efficiently manage exposure to equity markets. We maintain strong conviction in the strategic importance of these products to MX's long‑term growth trajectory.

Taking a broader look at several of our business segments, the options market environment in 2025 was exceptionally favorable for MX. Industry volatility remained elevated throughout the year, driven by a complex web of factors. While many businesses are volatility‑averse, for MX, volatility creates increased demand for risk‑management tools, and our technology infrastructure has proven its resilience during these high‑volume periods.

We expect elevated volatility throughout 2026 driven by geopolitics, domestic policy, political dynamics, tariff impacts, and the evolving AI investment cycle.

We're particularly excited about the rapid growth in new Monday and Wednesday short‑term expirations in single stocks. This market segment has become increasingly important to retail and institutional participants alike, and our technology advantage with industry‑leading throughput, low latency, and deterministic performance positions us exceptionally well to capture this growing opportunity.

We listed new Monday and Wednesday short‑term options in nine actively traded options classes, which we expect will contribute to both industry and our volume growth in 2026.

Furthermore, we are positioned to benefit from an improving IPO pipeline and continued growth in structured products that use options as part of their strategies.

Together these should create additional trading opportunities and volume growth across our platforms. These trends combined with our technology advantages position us well to capitalize on the evolving options landscape.

Turning to equities:

Our equities business continues to evolve as our U.S. equity market presence creates strategic positioning to capture opportunities across market data and related asset classes. We have implemented an improved rate structure and reached break‑even adjusted EBITDA in the 4th quarter, demonstrating our commitment to operational efficiency.

Our international operations continue to demonstrate their strategic value, with the annuity value of this business becoming increasingly evident throughout 2025.

We are actively working to maximize operational and revenue synergies across our TICE and BSX businesses, reflecting our ongoing commitment to optimizing our international footprint.

As we look ahead, we remain focused on our four key competitive pillars: our differentiated technology, our broad range of regulatory licenses across multiple jurisdictions, our diverse and expanding product range, and most importantly, our deep relationships with customers that allow us to develop the technology, services, and products that support their evolving strategies.

We are particularly optimistic about the current regulatory landscape, which creates exciting opportunities for us to expand into new products and services.

On the operational front, we see opportunity to expand our market share on the MX Sapphire trading floor as we continue to enhance functionality to support demands from floor participants. We're experiencing strong growth in options products across our exchanges, driven by increased activity in short‑term weekly options, the improving IPO pipeline, and structured products and ETFs, all of which we expect to support sustained volume growth across the industry and on our exchanges.

Perhaps most importantly, our collaboration and relationships with our members and industry participants remain strong and continue to be drivers of volume growth. These strategic relationships position us well to capitalize on market opportunities and continue delivering value to our customers as we execute on our strategic vision.

Now I will turn the call over to Lance to provide details on our 4th quarter financial performance and 2026 guidance.

Thanks, Tom, and good afternoon. We had an exceptional 4th quarter and full year 2025 across our business.

I will briefly remind you of MA's revenue model before I jump into the financial details.

We generate revenue from transaction and non‑transaction fees.

Our key performance drivers for transaction fees include industry trading volumes, market share, and revenue per contract or share, which measures the average revenue we earn per contract or share traded.

Also, as a reminder, we provide RPC and capture rates on a 3‑month rolling average basis on our investor relations website.

In terms of non‑transaction fees, we generate revenue from access fees, which we charge customers to connect to our exchanges, from market data which we earn through direct subscriptions and through our participation in the U.S. tape plans, and from listings fees primarily in our international segment.

Full year 2025 total net revenue was $431 million, representing 56% year‑over‑year growth.

Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled year over year to $199 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin was 46%.

A significant increase from 30% in the prior‑year period.

This performance demonstrates our ability to scale efficiently while also continuing to invest in our growth initiatives.

Q4 total net revenue grew 52% year over year to $125 million, while adjusted EBITDA more than doubled year over year to $62 million. Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin was 50%, up 14 percentage points year over year.

Adjusted earnings nearly tripled year over year to $57 million in Q4 versus $20 million in the prior‑year period.

Adjusted Q4 operating expenses were $62 million compared to $53 million in the prior‑year period. This increase was primarily due to higher compensation and benefits costs driven by planned expansion of headcount to support our growth initiatives. Also contributing to the increase were higher investments in IT and communications costs due to the buildout of the MX Sapphire Exchange and new technology platforms we rolled out for MX Futures and BSX.

Moving to Q4 segment performance, our options segment delivered strong results with net revenue of $107 million, up 46% year over year. Market share was 18.2%, up from 15.9% in the prior‑year period.

This, along with elevated options industry volume, led to MX’s average daily volume of 11.1 million contracts for the fourth quarter, representing a 46% increase year over year.

Our equities segment net revenue reached $6 million, up from $2 million in the prior‑year period, primarily due to higher net transaction fees from improved pricing.

ERES capture was net neutral for the quarter as compared to historically inverted.

Our futures segment net revenue was $5 million compared to $6 million in the prior‑year period due to lower listings revenues and decreased transaction fees.

The decrease in transaction fees was caused by timing of participant migrations to MX Futures Onyx and lower commodity market volatility, partially offset by elimination of expenses related to CME Globex.

In the international segment, net revenue was $6 million compared to $1 million in the prior‑year period, with the increase primarily due to the acquisition of TICE in June 2025.

Turning to our balance sheet, our cash balance at year‑end was $434 million, and we have less than $2 million in outstanding debt. Also, as of December 31, 2025, we have classified the assets and liabilities of MXDX as held for sale.

Now on to our 2026 guidance.

We expect full‑year 2026 adjusted operating expenses in a range between $265 million and $275 million, representing a 13% to 18% increase over full‑year 2025 or a 6% to 10% increase from our annualized Q4 2025.

This accounts for increased headcount and technology costs to support our new product launches, higher public company expenses, as well as increased company branding and advertising.

We expect full‑year share‑based compensation expense in a range between $27 million and $30 million. The year‑over‑year decrease is due to IPO‑related accelerations partially offset by new 2026 grants.

We expect full‑year capex, which includes capitalization of internally developed software, in a range between $40 million and $45 million, and depreciation and amortization in a range between $33 million and $38 million.

On our tax rate, we expect to release our deferred tax valuation allowance during 2026, reflecting our ability to realize the benefit of our NOLs. Following that release, we expect our effective tax rate on adjusted earnings to be in a range between 27% and 29%.

In summary, we delivered outstanding financial results in 2025 while making strategic investments in our technology platforms and expanding our product offerings. That, along with our strong balance sheet, positions us well for continued growth in 2026.

I will now turn it back over to.

Thanks, Lance. As you can see, we are very excited about our recent progress and look forward to another productive year in 2026.

We'll keep doing the things we said we'd do. We'll continue to leverage the strategic pillars you've heard me talk about before our technology, our regulatory licenses, broad product range, and relationships with our customers. These are real competitive advantages that will help us drive long-term shareholder value over time.

Thank you again for joining us on today's call. We're now ready to begin Q&A. As a reminder, Doug and Shelly are here with Lance and me, so let's begin.

Operator.

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Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Thomas, maybe just starting off high level, you talked a little bit about it in your prepared remarks, but if you could just maybe give an update on your outlook for option volumes this year. And how myx is positioned and then on the market share side of things, you reported record market share in the 4th quarter that's come down a little bit in one queue. So just also wondering if you could talk through some of the dynamics there and how you expect market share to, play out throughout the rest of the year. Thanks.

Thanks Patrick, really appreciate the question. I think that the market dynamics, as we, are in Q1 here 2026 are going to continue to provide volatility, issues surrounding the tariff issues surrounding the midterms coming up, and issues, surrounding some of the. The tension in global politics, particularly the Middle East, I think are going to lead to continued volatility. I also think that the presence of the short dated expirations, which just came on the market in January, are going to continue to fuel strong growth in our US options marketplace. So I think. You're not going to see, I believe, the kind of growth we had almost 30% growth in volumes in 2025, but I think you're going to see continued growth, throughout the balance of 2026. Shelly, any comment on that from your perspective real quickly?

Yes, thank you, and Patrick, thank you for the question. I agree that the growth of the industry will continue.

The short dated options in those 9 stocks, we're only a few weeks into that program. It's been successful so far and there's certainly a chance that could expand going forward with regards to our market share. October was an outlier in. While we're 18.2% for the quarter, if you look at the last three calendar months, November, December, January, it's been very consistent. We look at market share relative to, capture, where we, our fees evolve, according to, needs within the market, but we're comfortable with the market share as it is.

Okay, great, thanks for that. And then as a follow-up on the Bloomberg derivative products that you're rolling out in 2Q, you said that you were planning to start with, retail size contracts and, putting those on a retail platforms. Could you talk about just your conversations with those platforms, maybe how many platforms you plan to launch on initially and how that will scale over time? Thanks.

I'm going to turn that over to you, Shelly.

Thank you.

Tom. Another great question, Patrick. I'm not going to talk so much about how many firms. There's a lot of interest in the retail firms in these smaller products. A lot of the growth in the futures markets over the last two years have come from these smaller retail size products. We're going to start with what we call our teeny contract size for both the, Bloomberg 100 and the Bloomberg 500 index very focused in the retail market, working closely with the liquidity providers as well as the retail firms to come up with a model that works for the retail, and they're very excited about having competition in this space. It's it's traditionally been a market held by by one competitor, and they're looking for competition in price and bringing our tech our technology to that marketplace.

Okay, thank you both.

Thanks, Patrick.

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Michael Tsipras with Morgan Stanley.

Great, good, thank you, good afternoon, maybe just continuing with the B100 and the B500 index options that you're looking to bring to the marketplace here in the coming months. Can you just maybe elaborate a bit on how you're thinking about how you might make this model work for retail? I think maybe. One of the challenges, but maybe not a challenge from a volume standpoint, but just one of the, I guess, frictions maybe has been commissions on some of these products on the index side, is that what's the scope for commission free? How are you thinking about economics between what you might capture versus what the brokers might capture?

Michael, great question, and, a centerpiece of our strategy for launching the B-100 and the B-500, particularly the minis or the teenies, is to get retail engagement. And if you look at someone like a Robin Hood or someone like a Weibo or a ninja, they're all about cost of execution. And if you can get cost of execution for them down.

To something similar to what they enjoy in the options marketplace where essentially their customers trade for free, I think you have a real ability to get quick adoption of a competitor to the S&P franchise. So I think we think about doing things that have not had to happen before, whether it's on CME or SEO because they had basically a monopoly franchise on the S&P. So what we're going to TRY and do is come up with some alternative pricing mechanisms that will allow for these firms to enjoy extremely low cost of execution. And then also provide opportunities with respect to strategies to engage with the market makers. Maybe thirty seconds for you, Shelly, on that side of it. Yeah.

It's about getting retail engagement and the retail, it's time that retailers got used to trading virtually for free in the equities and action space without giving away my full pricing strategy.

We believe we can work with the retail firms and and and engage. Retail customer and what I believe we'll see is growth across the industry just like free trading and options spurred growth from 18 million contracts a day pre 2020 to 60 million contracts plus in the most recent year. So we think the whole pie will grow and we believe we have a very competitive product and the fees will be very appealing for the retail firms.

Thank you, Shelly.

And then could you maybe elaborate on what the suite might look like initially versus over time? Would you expect to launch with the ero DTE complex initially or roll into that, what that might look like? And then can you talk a little bit about the go to market strategy? How you're thinking about building the brand, the awareness, the investor education? What sort of resources are you putting up against that?

Thank you.

A great question, Michael. You start. Sure.

So to be clear, we're starting to launch with the futures first. Futures are launch will launched in the second quarter. The options will follow sometime later based on the take up in the futures. You need a solid futures market for hedging purposes to support those options. Both the futures and the options will have a similar pricing strategy. Once we do list the options, we certainly plan to list short dated options. Those have been extremely successful in other index products. I believe it's over 60% of the volume in in SPX is short dated options. So we certainly are planning to go down that path. You will see a very similar product suite across across all products for the both the Bloomberg 100 and the Bloomberg 500 compared to what's out there today with with one of the key differentiators being all of our products will clear at the Options Clearing Corporation.

And then just on the investor education.

In the investor education we're going to work extremely closely with Bloomberg and also with the retail firms who are known for their great educational tools that they use, whether it's a ninja trader, whether it's a Schwab, whether it's a Robinhood. So we're going to work closely with the retail firms and then also with Bloomberg, who is very much aligned with us in this regard.

It's a combination of getting investors to understand that you get very similar exposure with these products.

What we believe with Bloomberg to be a better constructed product based on the deterministic algorithmic methodology for how stocks are added and deleted from the indexes without a committee bias. Add that to the fact that again we're going to be very fee friendly, but we're we're going to work very closely with the retail firms to provide coeducation, and then Bloomberg of course is involved.

Great, thanks so much.

Thank you, Michael.

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Ken Worthington with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi everybody, thanks for taking the question. I wanted to dig more into the Monday and Wednesday options. Maybe what are you seeing in terms of activity initially, and you and your peers sort of launched at the same time. How is market share trending between you and the others, and are you seeing the technology advantage, sort of accrue to your benefit in terms of share?

Thank you.

Thank you, Ken. Great question. I'll start and maybe I'll talk to, Shelly who runs this business and turn to you about some of the volumes, but. It's early right now, Ken. It only got listed on January 22nd, but, we think the volumes in these names will come to us, but it's a bit early to tell. I think it really grows the pie overall for the options marketplace, and I'm very comfortable that we're going to get, our normal cut of what we've been seeing. In these three symbols, but Shelley, do you want to comment on what you're seeing so far?

Sure, and thank you for the question, Ken. It's been very successful to date because we've only been through a few weeks of explorations, today being one of them. We're seeing very large volume in each of these 9 stocks on these Monday and Wednesday explorations, similar to what we've seen on the Fridays historically. We think this is very positive for the industry. It's still too early to say, how big of an impact it'll have on overall volume. I think it is worth pointing out that in these nine stocks our market share over the last several months leading into this program has been just over 20% compared to 17.6% recent volume overall market, so we do outperform in these. Classes before the, Mondays and Wednesdays were introduced we're seeing similar market share, in those in those front weeklies again it goes back to the technology that Doug's team has built and the risk protections so we do outperform in those stocks and we can we believe that this will help us outperform overall.

Okay, great. Maybe as a follow-up, when do we start to see the Tuesday and the Thursdays come online and what do you need to see out of the, I know it's just, it just launched, and I'm already asking that, right? What a jerk, but, given, get get.

Once you get ALL5 days it's a different dynamics. So what do you think you need to see in the, Mondays and Wednesdays to start to realistically consider, ask, asking for the Tuesdays and the Thursdays?

A reasonable question, Ken. There's a couple of considerations here. One of the things we're doing is we're trying to avoid earnings days for these stocks, so we're we're going to be careful not to saturate the calendar too much. I would expect that going forward, expansion of the program would be adding additional stocks to the Monday and Wednesday program long before we add Tuesdays and Thursdays to these 9 classes. I think that having Monday, Wednesday, and Friday gives us good coverage across the week. They only are listed out two weeks, so there's a limited focus here, but I believe the pilot, or it's not a pilot program, but the program will expand across classes far before it adds additional days. If you remember back when, Mondays and Wednesdays were added to the ETFs, primarily SpyQs and IWM, they were Monday, Wednesday, Friday for quite a long period of time. But I think investor demand would be better answered by expanding the program to additional classes rather than adding the Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Okay, makes total sense. Thanks for humoring me.

Certainly, thanks, Ken.

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Jeff Schmidt with William Blair.

Hi, good evening. You had guided to adjusted operating expense growth of 13 to 18% for 26. What does that assume for top-line growth, or I guess how should we think about the sensitivity of that number to volumes?

Hey Jeff, how are you? Good question. Yeah, we don't, yeah, it's Lancer Jeff, look, it's very hard to, predict, total top-line revenue given that, 60% of the revenue is transaction based, so it's really based on market volumes. I will say there's certainly some, sensitivity, in those expenses. There is some discretionary investments that, volumes don't, pan out the way we anticipate them to that we could peel that back. But nevertheless we do have some planned investments in futures as well as some additional new product launches that's baked into that number.

Okay, thanks. And then I may have missed it, but do you plan on, still plan on launching crypto and event based products later this year? Where do you stand, on those plans?

So, as we announced that we recently, entered into a transaction with Susquehanna. And Robinhood whereby we sold our stake in my X D X so we now have accelerated access to the prediction markets as it relates to the crypto markets we're really focused on expanding our market share in the mature but robustop options business and then executing the the strategy that I've laid out for our new futures products, transforming.

My ex Futures from a one product agricultural exchange to a full service financial futures exchange that not only caters to the institutional firms but also.

The retail, so if an opportunity comes along that we think makes sense in the crypto area, we'll look at it, but it's not our primary focus right now we have been in discussions with a number of folks, but it's not something I'm focused right now in 2026.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Jeff. Hum.

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Patrick O'Shaughnessy with Raymond James.

Hey, good evening. So you had some market maker partic market makers participate in your secondary offering in December. Is there any evidence that they've shifted their market share at all since selling some of their shares?

Great question. So, we see no evidence of that whatsoever. I think that, you should look at us as.

Similar to our exchange peers, our equity rights program that allowed the strategic members to get their position in our company through their warrants and possibly the exercise of those warrants helped grow the business in the early years, but what's really keeping these market participants.

Trading every day is the technology that Doug built with the low latency, high throughput, extreme determinism, and also the risk protections that Shelly and Doug worked on together. So to the extent that a member firm was to sell some of their shares in that secondary offering, we've seen no impact whatsoever in our market share or their or their use of our four options and equity exchanges.

Very helpful, thank you.

And then I appreciate that you're not giving a quantitative outlook for access fees and market data revenue in 2026, but can you kind of broadly speak to your expectations for how those revenue streams might trend?

In terms of access fees and market data.

Patrick.

Correct, they would, yeah.

Look, I think in terms of access fees, we did put in some fee increases in January of this year. We think that'll add a couple percentage points to some, fee increases, and then we continue to see, member adoption and taking additional lines in that in that nature, so.

Continued growth in that area in terms of market data, we have launched some new products, particularly in the last, actually in the first quarter, that we think will continue to grow our market data, not just again the share from the tape plans which is mostly driven by, market share of trades loosely, but, also from our own proprietary market data offerings. Shelly, if you want to talk for ten seconds just on the new, market data offering we introduced.

I don't know if I can only talk for ten seconds.

I.

Know.

I know.

And some of the market data offerings are, historical data and reports. There's several of the reports out there are, high demand. There's some, both historical data available and ongoing reports, so it's been very good for us. We have several new reports, in the pipeline, and, it's again high demand data that's very valuable in the industry, so we're mining our data and monetizing that.

Terrific.

Thank you.

Thank you, Patrick.

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Chris Brendler with Rosenblatt Securities.

Hi, thanks, good evening.

And great job with.

Want to ask follow-up actually on the fee increases that are proposed last week, just some of the strategy and the thought process around the different categories here and whether or not you would have any impact on market share within your larger constituents versus your smaller customers, what's sort of the goal here and how much elasticity do you think there is with some of these fee changes.

Thanks.

Thanks Chris. Joe, you want to take that? Sure, the fee.

The primary fee change that you've seen going into March, we didn't change transaction fees. We did, we had a sma small transaction fee change in January. The primary change you're seeing from March is we waived. Non-transaction fees for members on the Sapphire trading floor and those memos that have gone out to memorialize the fact that the waiver period ends the end of this month, this Friday, and fees will start to be charged on March 1st. So that that's the primary change for March.

Yeah, our practice, Chris, has historically been.

That when we launch a new venue we have no non-transaction fees for a period of time or much lower to TRY and and accommodate firms as they connect and volumes grow so that was really just an expiration of what I thought was a quite a generous moratorium on fees that started in September and it's going all the way through to to the end of February, yeah, the end of this month.

That's fantastic.

Thank you. Follow-up question in a different area and I'm not sure if this is relevant or not yet, but just thinking about how fast markets are developing and this push towards tokenized equities, does tokenization have any implications for M a today and what possibly in the future?

Yeah, great question, Chris. We currently have no plans, with respect to tokenization, but we are evaluating, potential opportunities, from partners, as obviously we operate several markets across securities and futures products and internationally, so when the right opportunity comes by, I think we're well positioned. To take advantage of this, but I want to be very clear, it's not our primary focus right now but you know as a market disruptor from the day we launched our first exchange in 2012 I fully support market innovation, but for right now it's not part of our current plan and I also want to see what shakes out in some of the the filings that have been made by. Our competition with respect to some types of tokenized equity securities. Shelley, any last comment in a minute or two? Yeah.

Also understand that up to this point the tokenization is focused on clearing of equities. Equities is a very small piece of our business right now. The majority of our business is options. There hasn't been talk about tokenization and options. And again, the talk of tokenization is primarily focused on post-trade clearing. Not of actual trading. I'm not sure the technology is near ready for trading tokenized securities in a, on the chain.

Our reliance is on OCC in this regard. So, that's kind of our view on tokenization right now, Chris.

That's fantastic color and enough growth in the core business you don't need to worry about it right now. Thanks a lot guys.

Yes, thank you very much. Thanks for the support.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Tom Gallagher for closing remarks.

Thank you very much Debbie. I just want to thank, those of you that that listened in today, to our presentation, and I can't tell you how excited we are to bring to the marketplace our new financial futures products. From day one in working with Doug and our team, we never bring a product to market until prime time and everybody's connected. And we're really excited about the opportunity to demonstrate our capabilities as we move from options to cash equities into a full suite of financial futures products and primarily also taking advantage of the risk protections and the pricing strategies that Shelly. Doug and myself have developed so really appreciate the support. It's been an exciting six months since the IPO. It's hard to believe it's been 6 months, but, just stay tuned for an exciting year in 2026 as we bring our our futures products to market. So thank you very much and have a great evening.

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