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Operator
Hello, and welcome to McDonald's July 23, 2015 investor conference call.
At the request of McDonald's Corporation, this conference is being recorded.
Following today's presentation there will be a question-and-answer session for investors.
(Operator instructions) I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Chris Stent, Vice President of Investor Relations for McDonald's Corporation.
Mr. Stent, you may begin.
- CFO
Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us.
With me on the call are President and Chief Executive Officer Steve Easterbrook; and Chief Financial Officer Kevin Ozan.
Today's conference call is being webcast live and recorded for replay by phone, webcast and podcast.
Before I turn it over to Steve, I want to remind everyone that the forward-looking statements in our earnings release and 8-K filing also apply to our comments.
Both documents are available on www.investor.mcdonalds.com, as are our reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures mentioned on today's call with their corresponding GAAP measures.
And now I would like to turn it over to Steve.
- President & CEO
Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone.
In May, I shared the initial steps we're taking to fundamentally reset McDonald's business and reassert our leadership.
Today, I will share the progress we've made since then.
Our turnaround plan represents a significant step change for McDonald's and establishes the foundation for our transformation as we work toward becoming a modern progressive burger Company.
Our number one priority is to return critical markets to sustainable growth by regaining customers' trust and loyalty.
These efforts must be led by the markets, local management and franchisees working together to deliver what people want from McDonald's, great tasting, quality food at a value, delivered with a better service each and every time they visit.
Our focus over the last several months has been execution, transformation, and challenging the organization to evolve more quickly, taking bold steps to change the way we think and operate starting first with our structure.
We've made a fundamental shift in the way our business is organized effective July 1 to eliminate redundancies, maximize talent, and create a greater sense of urgency amongst Company and operator leadership staff, as well as with our suppliers.
This restructure arguably represented the biggest organizational change in our history.
Yet from inception to execution, we completed it in just two months.
It required significant change inside the Company and we are already realizing some of the benefits; stronger discipline, sharper customer focus, and more acute sense of urgency, and a deeper understanding of what legacy thinking and actions to challenge and how.
For example, market teams in Australia and Hong Kong have recognized and acted upon the need to offer greater choice and personalization with our hallmark product, burgers.
They are aggressively deploying elements of experience in the future and seeing encouraging results.
In Germany, our brand relaunch highlighting new taste and a better overall restaurant experience is giving customers reasons to think differently about McDonald's.
We've also recruited fresh outside perspectives as part of this restructure.
Our new Chief Communications Officer, Robert Gibbs, and Chief Operating Marketing Officer, Silvia Lagnado, are highly respected, talented leaders who will bring a wealth of experience and outside perspective
For the next several months, we are taking further action and reasserting our leadership.
We must operate better restaurants.
That is why we are recommitting to operations excellence which, frankly, has been lacking in some markets.
Simply speaking, we need to be better at serving hot, fresh food, providing faster friendly service in a contemporary restaurant at the value of McDonald's.
Today, I will highlight the steps we are taking and the progress we have made.
While our financial results remain disappointing in the second quarter we are seeing early signs of momentum.
Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect positive global comparable sales led by growth in our newly created international lead market segment and China's continuing recovery from the 2014 APMEA supplier issue.
Before we turn to the US, let me briefly highlight the progress we're making in some of our most significant markets around the world.
I'm energized about the actions our markets are taking and the impact they have on results.
As we translate our progress into the context of our new organizational structure, I can say with confidence that the international lead market segment, which represents approximately 40% of our business, is moving in the right direction.
Australia, Canada and the UK continue to deliver strong performance.
Germany is starting to turn and France is gaining share despite the challenging headwinds.
This segment will be a strong catalyst for our business.
Let's start with Australia, where June marked 10 consecutive months of positive comparable sales and guest counts.
The business has turned in Australia and the market is focused on sustaining positive performance.
The combined solutions deployed last year such as relaunching everyday value with the loose change menu, and offering customers the barista craft in McCafe beverages in the drive-thru establish the foundation and Australia has successfully laid on incremental initiatives to sustain that growth.
Value breakfast was introduced early this year, and we began national advertising to create your taste customized burgers as part of our efforts to develop the customer experience of the future.
The UK also continues to grow, with 37 consecutive quarters of positive comparable sales performance.
Multiple initiatives contributed to growth and market share gains across all day parts.
For example, we give customers more reasons to visit our restaurants by featuring premium products such as the Chicken Legend and Big Tasty, and through effective marketing and promotional efforts including Monopoly.
Strong growth in breakfast was fueled by the market's first-ever promotional breakfast item, the sausage and bacon sandwich.
And the team is improving the service experience by aggressively deploying experience of the future.
150 restaurants have been converted so far and plans are in replace to double that number by the end of 2015.
Let's now shift to Canada where positive comparable sales performance continues.
The team is driving growth by focusing on convenience including the ongoing rollout of dual-lane drive thrus which improve the speed of service for customers, particularly during our busiest times.
The market is also benefiting from strong breakfast growth building upon a successful free coffee offer earlier this year, along with additional enhancements of the core menu including new salads.
We also seeing signs of progress in Germany.
This was the market's first quarter of positive comparable sales since the second quarter of 2012.
Customers are responding to the steps we've taken to improve the taste and variety of core and premium products such as the new premium Bacon Clubhouse Range and the World Couture promotion that feature locally sourced and seasonal ingredients.
And I am excited about the announcement today of our developmental licensee agreements with Autobahn, Tank and Rast.
This agreement gives us the opportunity to develop more than 100 new sites in fuel and service stations across the lucrative motorway service station network in Germany with no capital investment required by McDonald's.
The first new restaurants are expected to open this year, with the majority opening between 2016 and 2019.
Moving to China, one of our high growth markets, recovery continues from last year's supplier issue.
Comparable sales remained negative the second quarter at minus 3%.
However, the top five cities, which represent about 50% of sales, are leading the recovery effort with flat comparable sales for the quarter.
Lower tier cities are not recovering as quickly driven primarily by weaker macroeconomic conditions in those outlying areas.
China is strengthening every day value with a specific focus on the mid-tier price points, continuing to enhance convenience for our customers through delivering kiosks and elevating the quality perceptions of our burgers by piloting customization through experience of the future.
We are on track to return to a normalized level of performance in China for the second half of the year.
In fact, prior to the anniversary of last year's APMEA supplier issue, the market has already returned to positive comparable sales performance in the first half of this month.
Let's now transition to the US, which represents over 40% of our business.
Results here have been disappointing.
We are committed to changing the trajectory of the business and arresting the nearly three years of decline.
We are working to put more discipline back into the business, adapt more quickly to changing trends, offer more compelling value across the menu, and bring a new energy and tenacity to simply running better restaurants.
The localized structure implemented earlier this year was an important first step.
It is designed to liberate market teams to be more responsive to local consumers and we are seeing pockets of success.
The Northwest region, for example, was the country's top performing region in 2014 and continues to generate positive results year-to-date June.
A strong restaurant operations culture coupled with aggressive promotions like any sized soft drink or coffee for a dollar is generating incremental traffic.
The Heartland region, which includes Kansas City, is also delivering comparable sales and guest count performance above US averages.
There the heavy breakfast focus coupled with a modernized restaurant base has fueled momentum.
And Boston, which is coming back from the worst winter in its history, has deployed a combination of regional products like the Lobster Roll, a $2.99 Happy Meal to attract families, and beverage value to drive sales and guest counts.
The US in focused on creating a better experience for customers by concentrating on value, service and menu.
These are not headline grabbing moves but they begin the return to running better restaurants.
So first, getting back to winning on value.
Having allied with our franchisees on the need for national price-pointed value platform, we're now making adjustments to our current offer for the rest of the summer.
This includes better marketing support and stronger coordination with local messages.
We are also evaluating options for longer-term national value platform.
Next, we are enhancing the customer service experience.
This starts with the basics.
We have reduced the number of menu items in restaurants to make it easier for teams to deliver better service.
We are improving the speed of our drive-thrus with simplified menu boards, we've cut the number of items displayed by about a third, yet still highlight the items that deliver 80% or more of drive-thru sales.
We are addressing order accuracy with new operational procedures and training programs, already in almost half of our restaurants.
We are increasing the number of dual-lane drive-thrus to deliver faster service to our customers during the busiest times of the day.
And we will be launching our mobile app in the US in the third quarter.
This is part of our global digital strategy that, over time, is designed to streamline and improve the entire customer service experience.
The initial version of the app will make it easy for consumers to receive value when they choose McDonald's through features like tailored offers that are easy to redeem and rewards for regular purchases of their favorite McCafe beverages.
And at the same time, the team is already hard at work developing additional features to hasten the shift from mass communication to personal one-to-one engagement with customers in the future.
And, finally, menu.
This starts with our core products that define our brand.
We have implemented new cooking methods in our restaurant, toasting our buns longer, changing how we sear and grill our beef to deliver hotter, juicier sandwiches.
And we're looking to further improve performance during our most successful day parts.
For example, our all-day breakfast trials have gone well, so we have expanded those tests to better gauge customer response.
I believe we are making the right moves to begin to stabilize the US business, but there is no silver bullet.
No one move will turn a business that has been in decline for nearly three years.
And while recovery will be bumpy, I am confident we're moving in the right direction.
While our primary focus is on actions that will drive operating growth, we have also taken steps to unlock financial value.
On May 4, we identified key areas of focus to unlock that financial value.
In just two months, we've made good progress toward all our targets including G&A, refranchising, and cash return.
Kevin will provide more detail specific to those in a moment.
In closing, I remain confident in the power of our brand and our network of franchisees, employees and suppliers to capitalize on the growth opportunities before us.
It's not enough to say that we want to be a modern progressive burger Company, consumers need to see us that way, shifting deep-seated perceptions, the longer-term proposition.
It requires us to move past legacy barriers and embrace behaviors of a true global leader.
We have made significant progress in a short amount of time.
I am confident that the changes we are making are the right ones and will position us to grow the business profitably for our system and our shareholders for the long term.
Thank you, and I will now turn it over to Kevin.
- CFO
Thanks, Steve, and hello, everyone.
I would like to begin by discussing the factors that impacted our second quarter performance.
Then I will review some key components of our full year outlook and provide an update on the financial elements of our turnaround plan.
Let's begin by reviewing the major drivers of our second quarter results.
Our overall financial performance continues to be largely reflective of our top line results.
For the second quarter, comparable sales were down 0.7%, reflecting negative guest traffic across all of our geographic segments with the largest impact coming from the US and Japan.
For perspective, operating income for the quarter totaled $1.8 billion, down $127 million, or 6% in constant currencies.
The US and Japan accounted for over 80% of the quarter's overall operating income decline.
With more than 80% of our global restaurants franchised, the largest driver of operating income continues to be our franchise margins which totaled $1.8 billion, a 2% increase in constant currencies.
The growth in franchise margins was driven primarily by restaurant expansion in Europe and strong comparable sales in Australia.
Global Company operated margin dollars declined 8% in constant currencies to $665 million for the quarter, reflecting weakness across our major geographic segments.
The US, Russia and China accounted for substantially all of the margin decline for the quarter.
The second quarter cost pressures were relatively consistent with our expectations.
In the US, labor costs increased primarily due to planned minimum wage increases in several states and commodity costs rose approximately 1%, primarily due to higher beef prices.
Effective July 1, US Company operated margins will also reflect our decisions to raise wages and provide paid time off for employees at our Company operated restaurants, along with providing educational assistance for all restaurant employees.
We expect the total impact from these incremental labor costs to be approximately 200 basis points on US Company operated margins for the full year, further pressuring margins for the second half of 2015.
To help offset cost pressures throughout our P&L and remain in line with food inflation, we took a price increase at the end of May.
Our US second quarter pricing year-over-year was up over 2%, which remains below food-away-from-home inflation of around 3%.
The current projected increase in food-away-from-home inflation for the full year remains at 2% to 3%.
Excluding currency, Europe's commodity costs were up about 2% in the second quarter.
Our price increases in Europe varied by market with the overall segment, excluding Russia, averaging about 1.5% year-over-year.
For the quarter, we also reported nearly $50 million of Other operating expense, primarily due to $45 million of severance charges in connection with the restructuring of our global operations.
About half of these charges were incurred within our corporate functions and the other half in Europe and APMEA as we move to a flatter, more nimble organizational structure.
Moving down the P&L, it is worth noting our second quarter effective tax rate of 29.8%, which was helped by lower tax costs associated with the Company's ongoing foreign cash repatriation.
We continue to expect the full year tax rate to be at the high end of our existing 31% to 33% range.
Earnings per share for the quarter was $1.26, which included a significant negative impact of $0.13 from foreign currency.
Looking beyond the second quarter, currency translation is expected to be a headwind throughout 2015 as the US dollar remains strong against nearly all of the world's other major currencies.
At these levels, we now expect foreign currency translation to negatively impact our results by $0.14 to $0.16 in the third quarter and about $0.45 for the full year.
As usual, take this as directional guidance only because rates will change as we move throughout the year.
Let me switch gears now for an update on the financial elements of our turnaround plan.
In May, we announced our intent to accelerate our cash return to shareholders in 2015.
During second quarter, we returned $2.5 billion through dividends and share repurchases.
This brings our total cash return to shareholders through June to $3.9 billion, and we remain on track to meet our target of $8 billion to $9 billion for the full year.
During the quarter, we took advantage of favorable interest rates and increased overall debt by issuing $4.3 billion of US dollar and euro-denominated medium-term notes with an average tenure of over 10 years and an average interest rate of just over 2%.
Our overall philosophy on use of cash has not changed.
Our first priority is to reinvest in our business to drive future growth.
After that, we expect to return all of our free cash flow over the long term to investors through a combination of dividends and share repurchases.
As we execute the initial steps of our turnaround plan, we are actively evaluating our capital allocation decisions, including our dividend as part of our broader strategic planning process.
As a result, we are targeting our annual dividend announcement in November this year, a slight change in timing from our typical September update.
One of the key areas of focus for the turnaround is better leveraging our business model, including the benefits of franchising.
In conjunction with our goal to refranchise about 3,500 restaurants by the end of 2018 and increase the global franchise percentage to about 90%, we are already moving forward in several markets, including Taiwan, where we recently announced our intent to pursue a developmental licensee structure.
Taiwan is a well-established market with more than 400 restaurants, the vast majority of which are Company operated.
While we are in the early stages of the process, the conversion of this market to a developmental license will mark a meaningful step towards our overall refranchising goal.
The structural changes to our organization and our ownership mix not only better position us for future growth, they will also deliver savings to our bottom line.
Earlier this month, we made important changes in our corporate and segment support teams, which included the elimination of some international and home office positions.
While these types of changes are never easy, they were right for the business and will result in a leaner, more agile organization that can better respond to market conditions, and most importantly, our customers.
The rapid execution of these resourcing decisions is an example of our sense of urgency to reset our business and change the trajectory of our financial performance.
When we shared the initial details of our turnaround plan in May, we established a target to achieve $300 million of net annual G&A savings.
We expect to achieve about half of those overall savings by the end of next year, with the remainder realized by the end of 2017.
Our plan to refranchising activity is contributing to these G&A savings due to the less resource intensive support structure inherent in a more heavily franchised model.
Importantly, we are not stopping there.
We're moving to the next phase of our analysis relative to each financial areas of opportunity, including ownership strategies, asset optimization and overall spending.
We plan to provide an update on all of these areas at the November investor meeting.
The July 1 reorganization of our business into the new segment structure is an important first step in our global turnaround.
In conjunction with these changes, we will be providing recast financial information that reflects results under this new structure.
We expect to furnish our recast summary financial information toward the end of third quarter for the years 2010 through 2014.
Quarterly details will be provided for 2014 and year-to-date June 2015.
In closing, let me reiterate that we are fundamentally shifting the way we operate and approach our business to get back in step with consumers.
McDonald's success has always been fueled by outstanding operations, compelling marketing, and great tasting food.
We operate under a unique business model that benefits from a highly collaborative relationship among the Company, independent franchisees and third-party suppliers, all who take pride in their businesses.
We need all of these elements working together to provide a world class experience that makes our customers feel welcome and valued.
Our turnaround plan is designed to fortify these fundamental cornerstones of our business.
And our operational growth-led turnaround will also be supported by a comprehensive approach to financial management that is focused on driving value for our system and our shareholders, today and into the future.
Thanks.
And now, I will turn it over to Chris to begin our Q&A.
- IR
Thanks, Kevin.
We will now open the call for analyst and investor questions.
Please press star one if you have a question and star two to remove yourself from the queue.
To get as many people as possible the opportunity to ask questions, please limit yourself to one question.
We'll come back to you for follow-up questions as time allows.
- IR
The first question is from Brian Bittner of Oppenheimer.
- Analyst
Thank you very much.
Good morning.
The question here, Steve, you talked about the early signs of momentum now with the second quarter results behind you.
You pointed to the fact that you expect positive comparable sales on a global basis in the third quarter.
How much of this improvement you are seeing is really the comparison ease in Asia and the better trends in Europe versus any core improvements that you are now seeing since the second quarter in the US sales trend, if any?
And I do have a follow-up on that if you do not mind.
- President & CEO
Sure.
First of all, one important context to put within my comments about it being a positive global comparable sales quarter.
Even without the impact and the bounce back from the supplier issue in APMEA, we would be projecting a positive quarter.
So their is strength in the underlining like-for-like sales growth independent of that, now that bounce back further supports it.
We are seeing it more across the international lead markets, which isn't just Europe, we're seeing that collective group of France, Germany, UK, Canada, and Australia are gathering momentum as a collective group, which is great.
The US -- what we're working hard to do is minimize -- currently the US is a little bit of a drag.
We are looking just to narrow that gap and return that business to growth, but we are not putting in anything significant for growth at all in the third quarter.
But we are working hard towards getting it by the end of the year.
- Analyst
Okay, and, am I still with you?
- President & CEO
Yes.
- Analyst
Just to follow-up on that, obviously, value, service and menu are the headline drivers in the US going forward.
And, obviously, a lot of moving pieces underneath that hood.
But I just want to ask on the value piece, you talked about a longer-term national value platform that you are thinking about.
What are you thinking about in terms of that?
Any color you can put on that and maybe when we could really see it be implemented?
- President & CEO
As you know, the owner/operators and the management team came together and recognized the need for a national value offer across this summer.
And I think that is further emphasized and cemented in their minds that the idea of national value going forward is a positive thing.
The $2.50 deal is not the answer, but it is certainly has been helpful in this immediate term and, therefore, the owner/operated group, already have tasked themselves actually to come out with something they feel would be strong right across the country to benefit everyone's business, whether it is in the Northeast or Southwest.
We will share more news when it comes, but it won't be in the immediate term.
But it will fill an important role for us certainly as we look through 2016.
- IR
The next question is from Karen Short of Deutsche Bank.
- Analyst
Hi.
I guess, just following on that question.
Obviously, we know you rolled out the $2.50 value meal in mid-June and, obviously, the simplified drive-thru menu was fully implemented by early July.
So I guess I am wondering, yes, they, obviously, would not have had any impact on the second quarter results, but any color you can give on how both of them are benefiting July, or maybe just talk a little bit about the success or what your thoughts are?
- President & CEO
Yes, certainly both of those decisions that have been taken have helped our business.
It took us a little bit of time to execute the $2.50 as well as we wanted because having rolled that out, it began to conflict a little bit with a lot of energy in the region because the regions were taking it upon themselves to drive value on the local level.
So we spent a little bit of time the first two or three weeks just tidying that up, getting our execution better in the restaurants and our marketing execution support for it, and we expect a greater contribution through the rest of the summer.
For the drive-thru menu boards unequivocally positive from a consumer perspective and also from the restaurants, the teams to deliver better service.
So, again, neither of them are going to be seismic changes to the trajectory of our business.
They are both positive moves and we are working hard to execute them both.
They will certainly both contribute to rebuilding some events and through quarter 3.
- IR
The next question is from Andrew Charles of Cowen and Company.
- Analyst
Great, thank you.
The Australia turnaround is a few steps ahead of the US with a similar playbook between the two markets.
Can you help us size up the difference between the two starting points with the sales weakness in Australia as prolonged and as extreme as the US currently is?
And then I have a follow-up on that, as well.
- President & CEO
I would say by logic, it wasn't far off, yes.
What we have seen in turnarounds in all of our markets, whenever we face a turnaround situation, we have slightly taken our eye off the ball.
The competition has moved a little quicker than we have.
We have lost the value foothold that is so important to our business, and we haven't created compelling energetic plans with our operators in a way that we like to do when we have gone full throttle.
So the similarities heading into the turnaround were somewhat similar.
What I would call out Australia for, and incredible credit to the team and the owner/operators there, is the pace with which they have moved once they galvanized themselves together around big initiatives.
They have gone for a small number of big moves and they have gone quickly, and they have gone together, and that has created visible change in our restaurants, visible benefits for consumers and the traction is very, very encouraging.
And by the way, with the new structure we have with effectively six global major markets, our ability to transfer that knowledge from market to market is that much quicker.
So I know Mike Andres and the team and the owner/operators in the US are very familiar with the Australia story, with the UK turnaround story, with what the German team has been doing.
They were still [shamelessly] and adapt to the local market.
- IR
The next question is from Joe Buckley, Bank of America-Merrill Lynch.
- Analyst
Thank you.
I have two questions in different directions.
First, Steve, or Kevin, as you are reviewing the next phase of the financial moves that you have made and plan to update us at the November meeting, does the real estate factor into that?
Is that part of that analysis and part of what you might address one way or the other in November?
- CFO
Yes, Joe, it is Kevin.
We are looking at everything, I would say, the three components I talked about.
The ownership strategy, (inaudible) optimization and cost structures.
We're going through deeper analyses of each of those.
So you should expect to hear an update on all those components in November.
- IR
The next question is from Keith Siegner of UBS.
- Analyst
Thanks.
Steve, you talked about, again, value, service and menu.
And when you are talking about menu, you mentioned all-day breakfast and the tests that are continuing there.
But when we look across the landscape of QSRs, there is a lot of new product news, really buzzy interesting stuff, not always operationally complex, but just good new product news, and that really wasn't a part of the conversation today when you were going through the menu piece.
How do we think about new product innovation at the regionalized level?
Can you give us an update on that, please?
Thanks.
- President & CEO
That's really a good question, Keith.
If anything, I am most excited about with regards to the, if you like the new menu news, is the fact that the energy is going into revitalizing our core menu, and that should not be lost.
When we sit here and assess how can you make the biggest difference to the most customers in the shortest space of time, improving our core menu and our delivery of the core menu is clearly the way to go.
So I don't want us to lose sight of the fact that toasting of buns, better searing of beef, taking care of the dressings and the packaging and the rest of it.
That gets noticed by customers.
With regards to -- if you like new product development -- I would say at a national level, if you like quality over quantity, it is not about having lots of national LTOs because that does complicate the business, it gets confusing to message right.
So we would be looking at fewer higher impact items going out and our team with Chef Dan and his team are working hard on that.
And then, you will also see the localized options.
I called out the Lobster Roll in Boston, for example.
That could be much more nimble, shorter term, relevant to the local consumer demographic in taste and flavors.
So I think you will see the two levels.
There will be not a frenzied activity, it will be a calm, measured and higher impact with fewer items national.
And then locally, there will be some energy on a local basis.
But don't miss out -- honestly, don't miss out the benefit of continually improving our core menu, as well.
- IR
The next question is from David Palmer of RBC.
- Analyst
Thanks.
I was just wondering if you could dig into reasons, examples, why you are excited about international lead markets accelerating to the second half?
Are there specific examples of countries that are picking that are up momentum or platform innovation that you are excited about?
For instance, I think you were talking about Australia being one of the early ones to (inaudible) greater taste.
But the more texture the better as far as what you are seeing in these markets.
Thanks.
- President & CEO
Yes, I think, that is a great question, David.
As you look at the five lead markets, first of all, really strong local management teams and strong alignment with the operators is a consistency across all five.
That is a fantastic foundation.
But there are peculiarities and merits amongst each and every one of them.
If you go to France, the advancements they've made with technology, for example, and how they have totally reappraised the customer journey, it is fantastic to see.
So let me be specific.
They now have self-order kiosks in all of their restaurants.
They are taking upward of 40% of the transactions through the busy hours through the self-order kiosks.
And the reason that is exciting is, probably three reasons, I guess.
One, for the first time, they give customers a choice, and they just welcome the choice.
Two, it takes some of the stress away from the front counter and, therefore, you divide some of the pressure, some of the load during the busiest times.
And, three, from a commercial perspective, we see higher average checks because customers spend little time ordering, they can browse the menu for a little longer, feel a little less pressure, and they just tend to spend more.
So we're getting a lot of learns from that If you go to Germany, for example, which is earlier stages of a turnaround, the brand has got its mojo back.
And when you do that, you start to attract attention for all the right reasons.
And the new agreement we just reached, development license agreement with [Tanker and Ross] is a fantastic agreement for us.
Because if anyone knows the travel infrastructure, a transport infrastructure in Germany, you will know that the autobahns play a huge role.
That is how people typically get from city to city.
And, therefore, to have roadside presence in up to 100 sites, effectively for no capital from our perspective, that is what happens when a brand in the market gets its mojo back.
You start to attract the sort of partners that you want to be doing business with.
Australia, progressing, essentially they have become our lead market in what we call Create Your Taste.
All of our markets are building out the broader umbrella, which is going to experience the future, many components to that.
There is technology, there is digital menu boards, there is new service procedures, there are self-order kiosks and customizable personalization of food.
The Create Your Taste route that the Australian team have gone down, they have rolled out market-wide in a little over six or seven months to a level where they can now nationally advertise it.
We are going to learn a lot about how that works as an in-store solution currently.
Can we drive traffic in-store, can we increase dwell time, can we -- there's the table service that goes along with that, matter to customers and our ability and our visibility from market to market on each of these initiatives.
I believe, that is when McDonald's is at its best.
When we have test sales actively pushing the boundaries and when something works, we can then transport it from market to market at pace.
Again, I don't want to minimize a number of things the US team are working on.
The US is our lead market for the mobile app.
We recognize we are a little behind some others, whether it's in our sets or in broader retail.
But when we put our mind to things, we're one of the best execution companies in the world.
The US will start with an app with fairly modest capabilities, but the infrastructure is built that we can add to it and transfer it from market to market at pace.
So that is where, I guess, my energy and my confidence comes from is that kind of collective momentum.
And you start to spur each other on.
- IR
The next question is from Matt DiFrisco of Guggenheim.
- Analyst
Thank you.
Question is a little bit more on a modeling question with respect to, and an update on, your outlook for refranchising and selling the Company-owned stores.
I was wondering what are the early indications or sight lines that you might have with respect to what type of EBITDA impact it might have as we look out sort of two years from now?
How much EBITDA are you basically taking off of your books, or is it pretty much a good substitute where we'd suspect the stores you are selling could garner a similar rent and royalty structure than the existing 82% of your worldwide base of franchisees?
- CFO
Yes, hello, Matt.
Let me talk real quickly about the refranchising.
As you know, there is a lot of different things that go into that.
So the strategy and timing will probably vary across our different segments and even within markets.
Some markets will be completely franchised or converted to a developmental license, while others will just have more conventional franchising.
So it is a difficult to estimate exact timing or exact financial implications of each of those.
As you can imagine, these are long-term decisions that we're making, generally, for at least 20 years or so with the right licensees and operators.
So it is important we get this right.
And we will fade G&A and capital as we do this.
We'll certainly get a little bit more stable revenue stream.
On an EBITDA basis, it would be difficult to generalize on what that means in total for the Company because it is going to be pretty lumpy over the next couple of years as we have specific transactions getting there.
- IR
The next question is from David Tarantino of Robert W. Baird.
- Analyst
Hello, good morning.
Steve, I have a question about the US business and the overall strategy there.
I think, one of the key pillars of your turnaround strategy was to get more focused and reduce some of the complexity and improve business at the core, and I think you even referenced that earlier in the call here.
But at the same time, we are seeing messages about all-day breakfast and things that sound fairly complex.
So could you help reconcile that with the overall strategy?
It seems like there is complexity being added in some places when you are thinking about reducing complexity in others?
- President & CEO
That is a perfect question, David and I would love to address that.
So the -- as we explore different initiatives to drive the business, clearly, all-day breakfast is one of those.
So initially, the owner/operator group, they took a fairly pioneering approach down in San Diego.
And actually I was fortunate, I went down to visit them just two or three weeks ago and spent time with the operator in their restaurants understanding what it really meant.
So we're trying to prove out and are proving out the consumer business case, consumer demand for an all-day breakfast.
But to your point, you can't talk simplification and add to the meantime.
What we are working on is are there multiple ways to reduce complexity and streamline the job for our restaurant managers, and they will then be able to accommodate this.
So what we want to do -- and people say, well, why can't you move faster with all-day breakfast, for example?
There are a number of moving parts to this.
So what we are going to need to do is, A) prove out the consumer facing business case, but also come up with parallel tracking work such that the net impact is net simplification.
Having one thing and taking one thing off is not simplification.
So what we want to do is simplify the operation in sufficient other ways that even if we were to go with an all-day breakfast, that the net impact on the restaurant is one of simplification.
So let me give you some ideas around that and what that really means.
Some of that is around simplifying the menu, go deeper into some of the rationalization, taking some items off.
There are way other ways of doing it than just the menu.
Operational procedures.
We've got a team with operators and some of our experts in our national operations team here in the US looking at other procedures that we can simplify in the restaurant, whether it is the way we assemble menu items where we (inaudible), whether it is the way we have the packaging laid out, whether it is the way we use technology to be able to get orders to the back of the kitchen, just to take out steps of workloads.
We also have ideas just around the entire process of how do we reduce the amount of noise -- well intended noise that goes into a restaurant, but managers have to deal with and we want that primary focus on service and facing the customer.
So when you put all those work streams together, and if we were to build a compelling business case, if we were to believe all-day breakfast is a sufficient sales driver, that it is worth making other complementary changes on simplification, the net/net has to be simplification, and it will only be upon that basis that we would be moving forward.
- IR
The next question is from John Glass of Morgan Stanley.
- Analyst
Thanks very much.
Kevin, I'm just trying to understand -- imagine the scenarios that would cause you to reevaluate the dividend policy in some way.
Either there would be maybe a negative scenario under which you would look at the payout ratio and say it is getting too high and you need to bring that back into line, or perhaps just like a positive scenario where you are thinking about the different cash flows that support that dividend, and maybe dividing those up among different entities.
Can you at least provide us some direction in what way you're thinking about it?
Is it a positive event, a negative event, because I think it is so important and critical to the investor base of your stock?
- CFO
Yes, John, as we think about all of these financial areas, so the refranchising, looking at G&A, the ownership structures and kind of our whole strategic planning process that includes capital and how much capital we will be spending in the future, et cetera.
All of these things become pretty interconnected, as you can imagine.
So our thought was we need to have the right view on all of these things together and talk about them in total as kind of the whole picture.
And so, we will have that whole picture for everyone in November, as we go through our strategic planning process, get a better view into capital, and have a better view on all of these other financial areas also.
- President & CEO
I'll just to add to that, John, as well.
We are in a little bit of a pivot point at the moment where we believe we are seeing some early stages of momentum.
And if we were just to have an extra couple of months of [trading] under our belts as well, that would also just give us another variable to put inside the equation, as well.
So it is important to us, we are paying very acute attention to our [trading] performance, momentum market by market, particularly those major markets.
And, again, they all contribute to the underlying assumptions that help us make the right decisions for the business and for the shareholders.
- IR
The next question is from Karen Holthouse of Goldman Sachs.
- Analyst
Hi, thank you for taking the question.
If you look at regions set, I've seen called earlier signs of momentum and are now, momentum that you are building on whether it is the UK, Australia.
When you look at consumer metrics that were leading indicators of that, what were the ones that were most closely tied to then sales accelerating?
And where do you see those metrics in the US today?
- President & CEO
I would answer -- and I hope I am answering your question the right way, Karen -- what we have done since the structure has been implemented is really identify -- rather than trying to have generic US-wide consumer metrics, is to fuel the regions with that type of information and insight for them to make sharper decisions.
So in some areas, there is a stronger economic recovery than others.
In others, the competition is different.
So the dynamics and demographics are different.
So what we have been doing -- and the markets where we have seen the greater success are those that are using those consumer insights and responding quickest to the needs of consumers and what else is happening in the marketplace.
And typically, they have taken one or two bolder moves.
They have put themselves out there and they have decided to take a bit of a charge and take some risks and show the way.
And we will be transferring some of those learns from region to region over time.
I would say probably some of the characteristics of the leading regions at the moment, and those who are using -- whether it is disposable income metrics, unemployment metrics, value for money metrics, their assessment of our day-to-day operation and are responding to those and are building plans that address the things that matter most to customers.
- IR
The next question is from Sara Senatore of Sanford Bernstein.
- Analyst
Thank you.
I wanted to ask about the labor investments, if you will, that you are making in the US.
I think that is something we have heard from a lot of companies.
It certainly seems like the competition for labor has stepped up a little in addition to some of the regulatory changes, whether it is $15 minimum wage in some municipalities, or overtime requirements that go into affect.
I guess, first, I wanted to get a sense of whether what you are doing now is meant to preempt some of these actual legal regulations?
And also, what is the implication for your franchisees, which is a second part of that, is broader.
How are the franchisees' profitability, economics and your relationship with them?
So if you could just talk about labor costs and the outlook, and then also maybe give us an update on franchisee economics and where they stand with respect to some of the initiatives that you are taking on that side?
- CFO
Okay.
So I will -- let me begin, and I'll talk about some of the labor challenges and economics and then I'll let Steve just talk about labor -- or franchisee relations in general.
As you talk about, Sara, there are certainly labor pressures around the world from a wage standpoint.
I don't know that we think of it as undue pressure or anything that is going to harm our business.
But, certainly, labor costs are a pressure right now.
In several states, as you know, minimum wage has increased.
For us, margins, essentially, are a top line game, so we need to grow sales.
Certainly, we need to grow comp sales in order to grow margins.
And the specific labor moves that we have taken are what we believe we should be doing as a business to make sure that we attract, recruit, and retain the best employees we can for our business.
So we are doing that.
As long as -- in our mind -- as long as the playing field is level across industries, we believe we can compete competitively in the long run.
So our hope is that any of the regulations or laws that come through deal with all of the industry similarly, and then we will all have to deal with the same concerns.
- President & CEO
With regards to the franchisees, understandably they are concerned, as independent businessmen and women.
They are facing cost headwinds anyway, which is just the nature of doing business in an inflationary environment.
But when there is way above inflation threats on wages then that clearly concerns them.
That certainly impacts their confidence and willingness to invest over the long term if there is that sort of degree of uncertainty.
That said and done, over our 60-year history, we have had surges in costs before, and we tend to go back and realize that what we have to do is it is a top line game.
So we face into the reality, we play the hand we are dealt.
We are the franchisees who work with management, and it just will force us to drive tougher plans, harder plans, more meaningful plans, and drive the top line and get that carry down to help mitigate what are some above inflation headwinds for us.
But they are certainly anxious about it, totally understandably.
It's an open conversation that we have with them and we just use that concern to try and fuel some energy around growing compelling plans.
And just turning it into a positive for us.
- IR
Next question is from Jeff Bernstein of Barclays.
- Analyst
Great.
Thank you very much.
Actually, just following on the US focus -- it is a two-part question.
One, I am just hoping you could maybe rank order in the US, the categories or day parts or products in terms of what you think is the greatest driver of the recent US market share loss?
It would seem like that is the goal here with doing more of your regional attack versus more national.
But I'm wondering if you could prioritize the way you are seeing your greatest weakness versus perhaps the most resilient?
And then the other part was just, could you just clarify, a follow-up to that earlier question in terms of the franchisees?
I'm just wondering -- it seems like we are hearing more about the more challenging relationship.
I am just wondering whether there are any actions being considered to help support the franchisees during the difficult period, whatever that might mean, or whatever form that might take?
- President & CEO
Yes, absolutely.
Thanks, Jeff.
In terms of less day part, if you look at our product mix, and where we have seen a loss and the competitive gap open up is, we have lost it at the value end of our menu.
So breakfast remains very resilient.
So it is really through the daytime day part where we have seen that gap open up over the last probably 12 to 18 to 24 months, really.
As we moved away from the dollar menu, we didn't replace it with offers of an equivalent form of value.
And customers have voted with their feet.
The team have recognized that and that is why we put the summer value driver in place and are working on a longer-term or ongoing platform.
In terms of relations, the owner/operators are an incredibly resilient group and they are fantastic to work with.
We have very open conversations with them.
I know Mike Andres and his leadership team in the US and the owner/operator leadership team are spending more time together at the moment than ever, which is what you do, is you start to rebuild the business plans and drive some growth.
One thing that -- and I have had the opportunity and the fortune to spend time with them, as well.
One thing that I have absolutely wanted to make sure is really clear and evident to them is, we will be willing to support the owner/operators as they, and the US management team, build compelling growth plans.
This isn't about underpinning cost implications.
This is about if you were to grow and invest in your businesses, we will do what we have always done, which is we will co-invest with them for growth.
And that remains as true if not more true today than ever has done.
And as they build those plans out and they finalize a lot of these tests that are in place at the moment, I look forward to co-investing with them, it will be a great opportunity for us and it will demonstrate our support to them.
And that gives the owner/operators a huge amount of confidence.
But we are here shoulder-to-shoulder with them and they are recognizing that and we are building some exciting plans.
- IR
The next question is from Jason West of Credit Suisse.
- Analyst
Yes, thanks.
Just following up on that thought, Steve.
Can you talk about, as you are trying to turn around the US business and comparing it to some of the successes we are starting to see in other markets, do you feel like this system needs some capital investments in the stores, whether it is equipment or menu boards, or things like that to really get this turnaround moving?
Or do you think we can do it without significant capital investments?
- President & CEO
The initiatives we are working on -- and Mike and the owner/operator leadership are working on at the moment -- are ones where, I would say, there is relatively modest investment needs.
It is not the same as rebuilding restaurants or dramatic refurbishments.
There are some of our restaurants that do look tired and independently one by one the owner/operator's will make that decision for themselves and we'll support them on an individual basis.
If you're looking at system-wide initiatives.
It is an affordable investment level.
It may involve some technology investments, it may involve some minor part equipment investments.
And those are the sorts of things we'll be co-investing with them.
Because a lot of investment has already been made in a restaurant.
They have invested well and we believe the growth initiatives in this short- to medium-term are certainly not going to be of the order of (inaudible) initiatives in the past.
- IR
We have time for one more question from John Ivankoe of JPMorgan.
- Analyst
The question is on the US, once again.
Just thinking about the drive-thru menu redesign where, I think, one-third of the menu items came off.
Why not go further and really highlight that 20%, or whatever it is, on the menu that has the most turn to presumably increase throughput.
And I ask this, and a broader question is, do you think the US is in a position from a brand perspective, or a customer perspective, where the in-store brand experience and the drive-thru brand experience can actually be split up?
And, clearly, I am asking a leading question regarding the potential success of Create Your Taste in the United States, as, presumably, you are seeing some signs of an Australia.
- President & CEO
So can we go further on the drive-thru menu board in terms of price elimination?
I think the answer is, yes.
And as we are exploring other platforms of growth, new items introduced, I think you will see us go a little bit deeper in terms of the menu rationalization.
Whether that is just taking off the menu board and the merchandising, or actually taking out the off the menu entirety, I think you will see a bit of both actually.
So I think there is further to go, I know the team are looking at that as we speak.
In terms of the drive-thru versus in-store.
I think the important piece recognizes is less the Create Your Taste element and having that type of in-store, it is more where you place technology to offer a better experience for the customer.
So if you were to introduce self-order kiosk, clearly, that is going to create a very different environment in-store.
You are not going to have a self-order kiosk for drive-thru, but you maybe able to have order ahead.
You maybe have to use the app, and some of the technology that can introduce to that.
If they will order ahead, get geo location, get recognized in the drive-thru lane, it flies their order off to the back of the kitchen before they've even had to place the order.
So I think technology will be a differentiator to give us different service models, but it will still be a McDonald's, they will still enjoy the McDonald's experience but just in different ways.
But I think technology is a differentiator rather than a different two-tier strategy.
- IR
We are near the top of the hour, so I will turn it over to Steve who has a few closing comments.
- President & CEO
Okay, thank you, Chris, and, again, thanks very much for joining us this morning.