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  • Operator

  • Good afternoon, my name is Kyle and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would look like to welcome everyone to the Manhattan Associates first quarter 2013 earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks there will be a question and answer session. (Operator instructions) Thank you, Mr. Story, you may begin your conference.

  • Dennis Story - EVP & CFO

  • Thank you, Kyle, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Manhattan Associates' 2013 first-quarter earnings call. I will review our cautionary language and then turn the call over to Eddie Capel, our CEO.

  • During this call, including the question-and-answer session, we may make forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of Manhattan Associates. You are cautioned that these forward-looking statements involve risk and uncertainties, are not guarantees of future performance and that actual results may differ materially from projections contained in our forward-looking statements. I refer you to the reports Manhattan Associates files with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in our projections, particularly our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal 2012 and the risk factor discussion in that report. We are under no obligation to update these statements.

  • In addition, our comments include certain non-GAAP financial measures in an effort to provide additional information to investors. All non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules and you can find the reconciliation schedules in the Form 8-K we submitted to the SEC today and on our website at MANH.com.

  • Now I'll turn the call over to Eddie.

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Good afternoon, everyone. Our first-quarter performance was solid in the Americas and in our international theaters. We posted strong results across essentially all financial metrics in the first quarter. Our competitive position continues to improve and our customer satisfaction continues to increase across the globe.

  • Q1 total revenue of $96.6 million increased 6% and adjusted earnings per share of $0.74 increased 23% over Q1 2012. Overall, we executed very well in the quarter and I am pleased with the financial performance. However, as we discussed in our last call, we are continuing to see some buying hesitation based upon the broader global macro uncertainty.

  • License revenue for the quarter was $14.2 million, down against a tough comp of $15.6 million in Q1 2012. We recognized three $1 million deals in the quarter, one with a new customer and two with existing customers. All three of these deals were sold in the Americas, led by our warehouse management product, and spanned three separate verticals -- retail, third-party logistics and industrial. Mid-sized deal activity was solid and we were particularly pleased with our order lifecycle management lifetime performance in the quarter.

  • All in all we had a very solid quarter. Our competitive win rate remained strong. In head-to-head sales cycles against our major competitors, we won 75% of the time. We also were successful at driving improvements in customer satisfaction and continue to be the leading innovator in our space, delivering exciting new solutions from research and development investments. I will comment on these following Dennis's full financial review.

  • On the topic of executive management, I want to thank Jeff Mitchell, our EVP of Americas sales, for his tremendous contributions to Manhattan Associates over the past 16 years. For almost a year now, Jeff and I have been discussing his desire to move into a different career and at the end of the month, Jeff is leaving Manhattan to become CEO of an early-stage technology company focused on reinventing the way petty crimes -- theft and shoplifting -- are handled in the retail industry.

  • For quite some time, we have been preparing Bob Howell to succeed Jeff as head of Americas sales. Bob has been with Manhattan since 2006 and in supply chain software sells for more than 13 years. Earlier this year, Bob was promoted to Senior Vice President, Americas Sales, reporting to Jeff and effective May 1, he assumes Jeff's leadership position and will report directly to me.

  • Jeff has been instrumental in developing a world-class Americas sales organization, solidifying Manhattan's position in the market and driving growth. So Bob now takes over a very strong America's sales team and I'm thrilled to have somebody with Bob's experience and success leading our Americas sales team. I want to again thank Jeff for all he has done at Manhattan and wish him well in the future.

  • As we look forward, I believe we are very well positioned for 2013 and beyond. We are not really expecting the global economy to improve in 2013 as global activity continues to be hobbled by protracted low growth. And while we are not immune, we are optimistic but cautious about our financial outlook for the year ahead.

  • Our services business is strong, customer satisfaction is good, implementations of our solutions continue to go well and we are excited about the next releases of our software solutions. Overall, we are performing very well and I will provide more color in my business update following Dennis's review of our financial results.

  • Dennis Story - EVP & CFO

  • Okay, thanks, Eddie. I'm going to cover at 2013 Q1 non-GAAP results and GAAP EPS performance and then review our updated 2013 full-year guidance.

  • As Eddie noted, a solid start to 2013, posting $96.6 million in total revenue, the highest quarterly result in our Company's history, besting our previous record of $95.8 million we posted in Q3 2012. Total revenue increased 6% over Q1 2012 with services leading the way. Recall that our services revenue in Q1 2012 included a $2 million benefit from the recognition of a previously deferred services revenue contract. Apples to apples versus Q1 2012, total revenue growth was 8% and services revenue growth was 10%. For the quarter, Americas grew total revenue 9% while EMEA and APAC declined 8% and 9%, respectively, compared to Q1 last year.

  • Adjusted earnings per share for the quarter was $0.74, increasing 23% over prior year, fueled by revenue and operating profit growth, a lower income tax rate and our buyback program.

  • License revenue for the quarter totaled $14.2 million, coming in at about our expectation. As any Eddie mentioned, we closed three $1 million-plus details. From a regional perspective, Americas posted license revenue of $11.5 million, EMEA $1.3 million against a tough comp, and APAC $1.4 million. Our license performance continues to depend heavily on the number and relative value of large deals we close in a given quarter and, as Eddie mentioned, our win rates continue to be strong.

  • Shifting to services, demand continues to be solid. Q1 services revenue totaled $74.9 million, increasing 6% year-over-year. As you may recall, our services revenue is comprised of two revenue streams, consulting and maintenance.

  • Our consulting revenue for the quarter totaled $49.2 million, growing 5% over Q1 last year, and apples to apples, consulting revenue grew 10%, adjusting for the $2 million of previously deferred consulting revenue recognized in Q1 of last year.

  • Maintenance revenue for the quarter totaled $25.7 million, increasing 8% over last year. Solid license revenue growth over the last several quarters, cash collections and retention rates of 90%-plus contributed to year-over-year growth. As a reminder, we recognize maintenance renewal revenue on a cash basis so the timing of cash collections can cause some inter-period lumpiness from quarter to quarter.

  • Consolidated services margins for the quarter were 53.5%, in line with our expectations and comparable with Q4 2012's 53.4% and Q1 2012's 54.8%. Excluding the impact of the $2 million in deferred services revenue from Q1 of 2012 which essentially had no incremental carrying costs, our prior-year Q1 2012 underlying services margin was 53.4%. We expect our first-half 2013 services margin will likely be in the range of 53.5% to 53.8% and our full-year 2013 services margins to normalize into the 53.75% to 54.25% range as we have achieved a better demand capacity alignment over the past several quarters.

  • Now turning to operating income and margins, with solid revenue growth and expense management we delivered record Q1 adjusted operating income of $21.6 million with an operating margin of 22.3%. That's up 90 basis points from Q1 2012. For the full year, we continue to target a 50-basis-point expansion in 2013 operating margin. We expect Q2 through Q4 operating margins to range between 24% and 25% adjusted for quarterly license and services revenue mix due to seasonality.

  • Below the line in other income, which includes net interest income, net gains or losses on asset disposals and the net impact of realized and unrealized foreign exchange gains or losses totaled $151,000 of income in the quarter including FX losses of $179,000.

  • Regarding taxes, our adjusted effective income tax rate for Q1 was 32.8%, resulting in a $0.03 positive EPS impact in the quarter, driven by Congress's January 2013 approval of the 2012 R&D tax credit. We are now projecting a full-year effective tax rate of 35.3%, which assumes a Q2 through Q4 effective rate of 36%.

  • Transitioning to diluted shares, for the quarter the diluted shares totaled 19.7 million shares, down from Q4 2012 shares of $19.9 million. We repurchased 226,000 shares of Manhattan stock in the quarter, totaling $15.9 million, against option exercises of 131,000 shares.

  • For the balance of 2013, we estimate Q2 through Q4 2012 diluted shares to be 19.7 million shares and the full-year weighted average diluted shares to be 19.8 million. Our estimate does not assume additional common stock repurchases and depends on a number of the variables, including stock price, option exercises, forfeitures and share repurchases, which can significantly impact estimates.

  • Lastly, on shares, last week our Board approved raising our share repurchase authority limit to a total of $50 million, 5-0.

  • That covers the adjusted results. Our Q1 2013 GAAP diluted earnings per share was a record $0.68, increasing 24% over $0.55 we posted in Q1 2012. Our GAAP performance was driven by the strength of adjusted operating results. A detailed reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP adjustments is included in our earnings release today.

  • That covers the P&L results. Turning to cash flow, for the quarter cash flow from operations was $20.1 million, that's $20.1 million, up from $13.1 million generated in Q1 2012. DSOs improved to 56 days versus 60 days in Q4 2012. Capital expenditures were $600,000 in the quarter and we estimate full-year 2013 CapEx to be about $6 million to $8 million.

  • Our balance sheet continues to support long-term strategic flexibility and stability with zero debt and cash and investments totaling $108,500,000 at March 31, 2013. That's $108.5 million, compared to $103 million at the end of Q4 2012. Strong cash flow from operations in the quarter less our share buyback program drove the net increase over December 2012.

  • Now I'll update our 2013 guidance and then hand off to Eddie for the business update. So, overall, while we remain cautious given the global macro, we are maintaining our existing revenue guidance and are increasing our EPS guidance to include the impact of the favorable Q1 results. So for 2013 revenue, guidance for the full year total revenue remains at $410 million to $415 million, representing 9% to 10% growth over 2012. We expect our full-year total revenue percentage split to be about 48% in the first half, 52% in the second half. We expect a more typical seasonal pattern with Q3 license revenue due to summer holidays being lower than Q2 and Q4 license revenue, and services revenue lower in Q4 due to seasonal holidays.

  • For 2013 adjusted diluted earnings per share, we are raising our range $0.06 to $3.21 to $3.27, representing 14% to 16% growth over 2012 adjusted EPS of $2.82. We continue to expect full-year EPS to have about the same percentage split of 48% in the first half and 52% in the second half.

  • For 2013 GAAP diluted earnings per share, we expect to deliver $2.91 to $2.97, again representing 14% to 16% growth over 2012 GAAP EPS of $2.56. The $0.30 full-year EPS difference between gap and non-GAAP adjusted EPS represents the impact of stock-based compensation. We expect the EPS impact to be about $0.075 per quarter.

  • Regarding adjusted operating margins, we continue to focus on a year-over-year adjusted operating margin expansion and are maintaining our 50-basis-point improvement over 2012. We expect Q2 through Q4 operating margins to range between 24% and 25% adjusted for quarterly license and services revenue mix due to seasonality.

  • That covers our updated 2013 guidance. Now I'll turn the call back to Eddie for the business update.

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Thanks, Dennis. First let me provide a little more detail on the deals we closed in Q1. As I discussed on the front end of the call, we recognized three large deals in the quarter, one with a new customer in the industrial vertical that needed to augment their ERP strategy with a sophisticated supply chain solution, and two deals with existing customers. One is a large 3PL who have expanded their relationship with us principally to satisfy the growing demand that they are seeing in the e-commerce space, and the other with a fast-growing high fashion brand that needed to address their multi-channel needs with both WMS and order lifecycle management.

  • About 35% of our Q1 license revenue was generated from new customers and about 65% from existing customer partnerships. We are quite pleased we are able to capture 35% of our license fees from new customers, which is higher than most participants in application software space and an important validation of our platform-based strategy and organic investment in innovation.

  • For Q1, about 65% of license fees were associated with warehouse management systems and 35% representing our other solutions. As is customary for us, the retail, consumer goods and logistics service provider verticals were our strongest licensee contributors and made up more than half of our license revenue for Q1.

  • We continue to see strengthen the retail vertical. As I mentioned in our last call, we are in the early stages of what we are terming a retail revolution, fueled by digital commerce and the way in which consumers engage with retailers has really changed the game. Consumers have been empowered with tremendous access to information on hand at any time via smartphones and tablets. The cost for their loyalty is the retailers' ability to offer flexible shopping choices and timely service.

  • For retailers to do this, they need a wealth of capabilities few previously have had. And leading companies see our solutions, such as order lifecycle management, which is key to the omnichannel selling infrastructures of the future, as critical elements in enabling seamless customer experience and increasing revenue. We are helping companies put their customers at the center of the enterprise and our efforts are bearing fruit in our win rate and loyal customer base.

  • The push retailers are making to integrate stores into their fulfillment network use the web more than ever and bring these experiences to the customers on their mobile device plays well into both our heritage and our future. Manhattan has the world's leading solutions for managing and optimizing inventory, ensuring products are in the right place at the right time, and to enable the fulfillment of customer demand. To this end, we are seeing our customers and prospects seek solutions to expand their execution capabilities from traditional distribution centers across the supply chain and ultimately into their stores. We will continue to invest in innovation across our solutions in order to provide the best tools available to support the businesses in the modern age of commerce.

  • A meaningful portion of our first-quarter non-WMS license activity was driven by our order lifecycle management and store commerce activation. We are pleased with the successes that we have achieved over the past year or so, thus validating our strategy.

  • On the customer front, we have had a successful quarter adding new clients and expanding our relationship with existing clients. Software license wins with new customers permitting us to share their names included eStore logistics, Innes, P T Chandra Supermarkets, Redmart, Target Australia and Zhejiang Yongsheng Pharmaceutical Logistics.

  • Expanding partnerships with existing customers included AcuSport, Assuramed, Benjamin Moore & Company, Cabela's, Carolina Logistics Services, Cotton On Group Services, Devanlay, DOME Corporation, El Corte Ingles, Hayneedle, Ingram Industries, Innotrac Corporation, Michael Kors, Niagara Bottling, Ozburn-Hessey Logistics, Primark Stores, Ray Lee's, Republic National Distributing Company, Retail Brand Alliance, Richline Group, Speed Transportation, The Container Store, The Hillman Group and Wolverine Worldwide.

  • Our professional services business around the world performed very well in Q1 and continued to receive high marks for customer satisfaction. More so, the global economy remains difficult to forecast and could impact our license revenue from quarter to quarter as services business is more predictable. Our outlook across all three regions remains solid. The key achievement in our growth is successful implementations of our platform solutions. We now have 31 clients live at 70 sites utilizing our platform-based WMS. In addition, we have about 30 additional customers implementing our platform WMS at about 80 additional sites. Including all our solutions, for the quarter we had about 80 customer sites go live with our software.

  • We continue to be the leading innovator in supply chain technology and for the quarter we invested $11.5 million or about 13% of revenue in research and development with about 650 people dedicated to R&D. At the core of our success is our strategy to grow through investment and innovation. Developing a Supply Chain Process Platform-based suite of solutions distinguishes us from all of our other competitors. Our R&D team continues to do an excellent job of driving innovation in all product areas and we continue to deliver more robust and more efficient solutions to the markets we serve.

  • Solution releases in Q1 have seen us combine our order management and store fulfillment offerings to enable retailers to further leverage store inventory and labor in order to satisfy customer demand across any and all channels.

  • Likewise, re-shoring continues to prove its value to companies across all industries and we have created new workflows across distribution, transportation and yard management that help manufacturers reduce order cycle times while improving inventory turns.

  • Now, regarding our associates, we ended the quarter just above 2400 employees around the globe, up slightly over Q4 2012, and 200 more or a 9% increase over Q1 2012. Essentially all of the headcount growth over the past year is in our professional services group on strong demand to support topline growth.

  • We finished the quarter with 67 people in sales and sales management, with 58 of those quota-carrying sales reps. That's up 2 reps from Q4 and 5 from Q1 2012. And we are looking to add about eight additional sales professionals during the balance of 2013 with the majority of those in the Americas.

  • Next month, we will host our annual user conference, Momentum 2013, at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas. The conference theme is supply chain commerce -- where supply chain and the market meet. The contact there is all of the benefits of utilizing our suite of solutions on the common Supply Chain Process Platform. We will be showcasing numerous ways customers can leverage Manhattan's platform suite of solutions to maximize revenue while lowering ownership costs and extending market advantage. Much of the material that will be presented is by our customers themselves. Registrations are up nicely compared with last year. We are looking forward to sharing time and a little fun with our global customers.

  • So let me close our prepared remarks with a brief summary. For the balance of 2013, we are optimistic and a little bit cautious at the same time, given the global economy and broader macro forces in play. As we discussed in our Q4 call, we are in the midst of a global multi-year recovery cycle that is driving some headwind for the license close cycles in our target markets, so we feel it only prudent to remain somewhat cautious.

  • Now, there's plenty of room for improvement across Manhattan Associates and we are focused on making those improvements every single day. Nonetheless, I'm quite pleased with our performance in Q1 and our market position. We have the world's most talented supply chain employees, the best software solutions and solid market momentum. We intend to leverage these advantages in the future to continue to delight our customers, create attractive career paths for our team members and provide substantial rewards for our shareholders.

  • So Kyle, we would be happy to take any questions now.

  • Operator

  • (Operator instructions) Yun Kim, Janney Capital Markets.

  • Yun Kim - Analyst

  • Congratulations on a solid quarter. So I know that the WMS products are still your core products, but it seems like you are gaining traction with somewhat newer solutions targeted at the omni marketing areas such as the owner lifecycle management and store activation product. Can you just talk about how much of those products are driving your business today, and are they included in your three seven-figure deals you closed in the quarter?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Yes. So let's see, a couple of questions in there from a percentage perspective. About 35% of our revenue was non-WMS, and about half of that was order lifecycle management and store commerce activation, so pretty pleased, as you say, with the progress there. There were components of order lifecycle management in one of the three big deals that we closed in the quarter, yes.

  • Yun Kim - Analyst

  • So would you say that the order lifecycle management is more like a mid-sized deal product, per se, not necessarily driving seven-figure deals, per se?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • That's certainly how it has come down this quarter, Yun, but it is a very valuable solution that can really drive some significant deals. Of course, it's a great differentiator for us as well. But as we indicated, half of the non-WMS license revenue in the quarter is pretty substantial. And we are, again, very pleased with its progress.

  • Yun Kim - Analyst

  • And then quickly on the professional services, it looks like the sequential ramp in the quarter was a little bit less than I expected or more modest, but that deferred revenue was up sequentially a lot in the quarter versus in the past. Were there some implementations that didn't ramp up as expected? In terms of the deferred revenue increase, what are some of the drivers of the increase there or strong sequential increase besides the obvious implementation backlog?

  • Dennis Story - EVP & CFO

  • In general, services came in -- one, we had a record performance in our services revenue. It came in line with expectations. If you recall back on the Q4 call we expected about 7% topline growth in total revenue for Q1 in terms of guidance. So services revenue was quite nice. We've got a nice backlog there and nice activity.

  • In terms of the maintenance increase, about 40% of our customer base anniversaries in Q1. We had -- so we're billing quite a bit at the end of the year for Q1 maintenance and we just had a record overall collection quarter. So we had a very nice ramp on the deferred maintenance or deferred revenue, which was driven by maintenance collections.

  • Yun Kim - Analyst

  • Got it, got it, great. And then just lastly, it has been a long time since you have done any sizable acquisition, or any acquisition, for that matter. Can you give us an update on your acquisition strategy?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Really, no change in acquisition strategy. We are certainly always looking for complementary acquisitions. As I think you know, our acquisition strategy is to fill any potential white space and tangential space that we might have in our footprint. We are, frankly, the converse of that. We are really not very interested in buying more of what we already have from a product footprint perspective, number one. And number two, we look for solutions and solutions sets that have a complementary technology strategy to ours as well. So we certainly are on the lookout at all times for good acquisition targets, but by the same token, we will not do acquisitions for acquisitions' sake and just merely to drive topline revenue.

  • Yun Kim - Analyst

  • Great, thank you so much and again, congrats on a solid quarter.

  • Operator

  • Mark Schappel, Benchmark.

  • Mark Schappel - Analyst

  • Eddie, last quarter I believe you noted that there were a handful of large deals that were pushed off later in the year. Did you get a chance to close any of those deals in the quarter?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • We did, Mark. A couple of those ones that had moved out a little bit of Q4 were fortunately the ones that closed for us here in Q1. Now, as is generally the case, guess what, a couple of deals that, frankly, we had hoped might close in Q1 pushed out on us a little bit later in the year. It seems to be these longer sales cycles and a little bit of deferment here and there is certainly what we're seeing. But yes, we were able to secure a couple of those deals.

  • Mark Schappel - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. And then last quarter I believe the Company hired -- actually, all of the last year, for that matter, the Company hired pretty aggressively in the professional services group. I was wondering if you could just review what your headcount expectations are for that group for the remainder of the year.

  • Dennis Story - EVP & CFO

  • I'll take that. As we mentioned at the end of last year coming into 2013, the last two years we have been hiring very aggressively with 90%-plus of that in our services organization, and that was really to get our margins normalized so we could focus on customer satisfaction, continuing to build our domain expertise and our services franchise without burning out our folks, and continuing to deliver quality services. Exiting 2012, going into 2013, we feel like we've gotten into a normalized balance. Right now, we are targeting 75 to 100 additional hires in the services and we will just calibrate that as we go along in the year, based on demand and how the global macro impacts the business overall.

  • Mark Schappel - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you. And then one last question, Eddie. I was wondering if you could just go into a little more detail on what you are seeing with respect to your international operations. I believe Europe and Asia was down about close to 8% this quarter year-over-year. Maybe you could just go into a little bit more detail what you're seeing.

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Yes, certainly. Firstly, from an EMEA perspective, frankly we had a very tough comp from a license revenue perspective in Q1 and a very successful Q1 in 2012. So when we look at the normalized business for this year, we actually were pretty pleased with the performance. Traditionally, our second-largest market on the planet of our history has been the UK. I would have to say things are pretty tight there and things are -- the buying cycles are certainly much, much longer; the economy is probably more challenged there than in any other of the European countries in which we operate.

  • But, that said, we are starting to see some twinkles of light at the end of the tunnel in the UK, and part of that likely is from pent-up demand. We have seen a substantial lack of spending there for the last couple of three years. So I think we're seeing a little bit of pent-up demand coming to the pipeline there, but we are certainly optimistic about the opportunities there in Europe; it has been suppressed.

  • In Asia-Pacific, pretty nice quarter, pretty nice quarter from a license revenue in Q1 here. Pipelines are substantial for us in APAC, and we expect them to perform in line with our expectations for 2013. So nothing particularly out of the ordinary, Mark, and probably no surprise to anybody to hear that our historically second-largest market continues to be somewhat depressed.

  • Mark Schappel - Analyst

  • Okay, thank you.

  • Operator

  • Eric Lemus, Raymond James.

  • Eric Lemus - Analyst

  • Congrats on the quarter. My first question pertains to the competition in the market right now. There's been some changes recently. Have you guys noticed anything changing for you guys as far as your win rates or expectations in the future for your win rates because of the changes within competition and particularly with RedBerry?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Yes. So obviously, we have seen a couple of our competitors come together, and frankly, over the last decade or so the landscape compressed. In terms of the win rate, we are still seeing a very, very strong win rate. As we mentioned, for the deals that we compete in, we win about 75% of those deals, which we are very pleased with, always striving for betterment, but we are very pleased with 75%.

  • In terms of -- have we seen any particularly -- have we seen anything particularly different in terms of market dynamics, competitive dynamics and so forth? I would say the answer to that is no. Those strong win rates are reasonably consistent for us and have been reasonably consistent over the last couple, three years and as of, certainly, Q1 we have not seen any particularly different competitive dynamics.

  • Eric Lemus - Analyst

  • Okay, great. And my last question on your non-WMS business, it has been about 35%, and that's good. But do you guys think that's going to be a long-term rate that you expect to continue at WMS, being about 55% of revenue? Or how do we think about the long-term, the split of business between WMS and non-WMS?

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Good question. We have a long heritage, obviously, in that WMS space. We have been fortunate to build a quite substantial WMS customer base over the last 23 years. So when those companies look to expand their operations, distribution operations and so forth, we are fortunate enough that they generally turned to us for more WMS software.

  • So, given that length of heritage, I think you are likely to see still strong contribution from our WMS systems for the foreseeable future. Now, that said, our newer solutions I've mentioned a couple times here, we are very pleased with particularly order lifecycle management, particularly our store commerce activation over the last couple of quarters. Those two solutions actually are clearly not the largest, but the fastest-growing components of our business. And given the innovations and changes going on in the retail markets globally, we see that growth continuing. So certainly, you should expect to see that over the long-term be a larger part of our business and you should also expect us to continue to invest in those solutions quite heavily for the foreseeable future.

  • Dennis Story - EVP & CFO

  • Let me piggyback on that as well. From a new to existing customer, our target has always been in a fairly robust demand environment to be 50-50. We think that's the optimal target. In the macro environment that we are in these days, that can fluctuate. We still like the 35% ratio. And keep in mind that, in 2011 in a tough macro, we were at 50-50. So we are going to continue to penetrate our existing installed base.

  • In addition to that, there continues to be -- on the WMS side, there continues to be a sizable legacy homegrown market out there, replacement market opportunity, as well. So we think there's plenty of growth runway there for not only existing clients, but new clients.

  • Eric Lemus - Analyst

  • Great, very helpful, thanks, guys.

  • Operator

  • There are no further questions at this time.

  • Eddie Capel - President & CEO

  • Okay. Well, thank you, Kyle, for administering the call. And thank you, everybody, for joining us this afternoon. We will look forward to seeing you in right around 90 days from now. Thank you.

  • Operator

  • This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.