LiqTech International Inc (LIQT) 2024 Q3 法說會逐字稿

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All right. Thank you very much Debbie. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us on the conference call. As the operator mentioned to discuss Litech International's third quarter, 2024 financial results and this is for the period ending September 30th 2024. Joining us on today's call from the company is Fay Chen, Chief Executive Officer and Philip Price, the company's interim Chief Financial Officer before I turn it over to management. Let me remind listeners that there will be an open Q&A session at the end of the call, as the operator indicated. If you're dialed into the traditional teleconference line, please press star then one to ask a question if you are listening through the Webcast portal and would like to ask a question, you can submit your question through the ask a question feature in the Webcast player. And we'll do our best to get to as many questions as possible. Before we begin with prepared remarks, we submit for the record the following statement, the conference, this conference call may contain forward-looking statements. Although the forward-looking statements reflect the good faith and judgment of management. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to be materially different from those discussed during the conference call. The company therefore urges all listeners to carefully review and consider the various disclosures made in the reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission including risk factors that attempt to advise interested parties of the risks that may affect our business, financial condition operations and cash flows. If one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or if the underlying assumptions prove incorrect, the company's actual results may vary materially from those expected or projected. The company therefore encourages all listeners not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements which pertain only as of this date and the date of the release and conference call. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements to reflect any events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this releasing conference call. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Fei Chen CEO of Litech International, Fei Please proceed.

Thank you, Robert and good day to everyone on the call. Let's jump right to the key topic during the quarter, which was the delay of a large commercial produced water treatment project in the North America, which was expected to be delivered in the third quarter but has now been delayed following the decision by the customer to change the physical location of the installation.

This unit was set to contribute about 1.5 million in revenue to our third quarter results. This is clearly disappointing and significantly impact our quarterly results.

Fortunately, our customer has finalized their location of the installation which has moved from the South United States to Canada with the unit set to be delivered in 2025. And we hope to be a key driver to our future growth. I will touch more on this in just a moment.

So that's the negative side of the quarter. Let's now turn to a few of the positives.

We have more systems today at the various phases of testing and the piloting than at any time any point in our history. We have four produced water treatment pilot units for the oil and gas industry operation in the field at the moment.

One with the Razorback Direct in the US, which was shipped in quarter one and operated satisfactorily at the customer site in the past four months.

One with NASA which was completed in quarter two for the Middle East.

One was one of the world's leading integrated energy companies for produced water treatment in the US, which was shipped in quarter three and a legacy system in the Middle East which has now been operational for more than three years.

The success of Razorback pilot is what led to the commercial order. We originally was set to ship this quarter as the customer clearly recognize the value in our solutions.

The pilot unit in Middle East will be installed and operated in January 2025 in one of the leading producers of the energy and chemicals in the region.

The pilot unit will provide us unique opportunity to showcase the superior value proposition of our containerized UF filtration system. This would blue stamp our technology in the Middle East region.

The pilot unit with one of the world's leading integrated energy companies for produced water treatment in the US is presently under commissioning. We expect that the pilot testing will lead to a commercial project with this partner in 2025 Beyond Oil and Gas. Recently, we have placed a pilot unit with a US Petrochemical company for microplastics removal which was shipped in quarter three. We also completed a test with the mini units focused on lithium brand production pretreatment in the US which was successful and has led to the next step. A pilot unit order which is set to deliver this month.

We also recently completed a factory test of water treatment unit for one DG dual fuel engine highlighting sa satisfactory results permitting us to address sips based on when DG dual fuel engines, we think this could lead to commercial sales of our water treatment units for ECR systems in 2025 within the last year or so. We have also shot units in key end markets including a unit for med recovery for an offshore project in Mediterranean pilot unit for phosphoric acid purification in China through silicon filter multiple marine scrubber units in China through Yuyo, a wastewater treatment system for the metro processing industry in Denmark.

And we have shot more than 24 pro system units over the past 20 months.

Well, we have always said the timing of large systems would be much slower and it would not be linear. We feel good about the progress made the last few quarters to put ourselves in a position to drive further adoption in a multitude of marked segment.

Coming back to one of our key end markets, marine water treatment to assist in building out our adoption. They announced the establishment of a joint venture with Gtri Jiangsu Industrial Technology Research Institute to expand our presence in China, a key building market which has an approximate 80% market share.

The gov will be named Nantong Jre Lite, Green Energy Technology Company Limited and we will be located in Nantong Haimen Jiangsu Province.

Lite will be the majority owner of Je where the trade will be a minority owner, country building festivities and the local support along with initial operational and commercial funding.

Xh is a technology and research institute in Jiangsu province with the aim of promoting innovation and the technology commercialization through partnership and a joint investment the was established 10 years ago and has built up extensive collaborations with industries, universities and research institutes in the US Europe, Australia, Canada and China hereu has focused on a wide variety of areas including clean technologies.

This year, we will make it possible for us to hire sales force in China to have access to networks and the customers to provide local service and spare parts support. In the medium long term. This year, we will provide the possibility for us to localize the system assembly to reach cost price reduction.

As most of you know, the marine shipping industry is moving towards cleaner fuel applications with the majority of new vessels being equipped with dual fuel engine which requires reliable water treatment for the exhaust gas recirculation systems or for perspective. According to Carson Seeping Intelligence and the S engine companies publish the data in 2024 to 2027. 400 new vessels are on order with EDR solutions planted in addition to retrofit applications which are increasing for L&G powered vessels.

I am pleased to have finalized this theory and look forward to what it can do to help expand our market presence in China.

Transitioning to another key market for us swimming pools during the quarter, we delivered two swimming pool systems, one by poor court in Eland and one by oxid line in Spain. This is certainly below our expected quarterly condense and area of increased focus for the team. We work intensively in building up more distribution partnerships into new geographic territories.

One area we touched on last quarter that we believe will help is the receipt of NSP certificate certification for our system in the US. For those that are not aware, we are unable to sell our commercial swimming pool solutions in the US as we work through this approval process with the certification. Now in hand, we have been in conversations with numerous potential partners that will help drive adoption in the US with the goal to have new collaborations in place by the end of the year, transition to other parts of our established markets starting with DPF and the ceramic membranes DPF and ceramic membrane sales during quarter three were about 1.1 million compared to 1.6 million in the year ago. Third quarter. This is below our expectations, largely reflecting what we believe to be temporary market conditions within the customers awaiting potential interest rate cut.

Fortunately, year-to-date sales continue to remain above last year's level. Showing the continued strong market demand.

Clearly, we are behind where we want to be at this point due to the delay of the large commercial oil and gas order and other delays which has impacted us ramping up sales quickly quicker. As we look to the first (sic - fourth) quarter of 2024, we expect revenue to be between 3.3 million and 4.3 million, which would be above the most recent third quarter and compared to 3.9 million in the year ago, fourth quarter. But again, our expectation was to be above this levels exceeding 2024.

As a result, we implemented a cost reduction plan aimed at lowering our break even target measured on an adjusted EBIDA basis to a quarterly revenue run rate of approximately 5.5 million. Remember our previous break even target was 6.5 million to 7 million.

This cost cuts will be across the board and include includes a 10% reduction in head count, a 10% reduction in base salaries for senior management in 2025. A 50% reduction in cash compensation for the board of directors in 2025 as well as other cost saving initiatives.

Positively, we ended the quarter with a solid balance sheet holding a pro forma cash balance of more than 13 million as a reminder in September and subsequently in November, we closed on a private placement of 10 million with existing institutional investors. We thank them for their strong conviction, with respect to our company, our management team and our future opportunities.

It is our commitment to not have to raise additional capital and bring this business to profitability as soon as possible.

Despite delay orders with a large number of agreements in place and the large order set to be delivered next year coupled with cost reduction initiatives I mentioned, I continue to believe that we are in a strong position to achieve this stated goal.

With that said, let me turn the call over to Philip to review the financial results in more detail. Philip.

Thank you and good morning everyone.

Now let me briefly comment on the financial highlights for the quarter revenue came in at 2.5 million compared to 5.1 million in the same quarter last year, representing a decrease of 51% broken down by vertical salesware as follows system sales and related services of 0.7 million compared to 2.6 million in the same period last year.

EPF and ceramic membrane sales of 1.1 million compared to 1.6 million in the same period last year. And finally, plastics revenues of 0.7 million equivalent with Q3 last year.

As FAY mentioned, we had a large 1.5 million system set to be delivered in Q3 of this year which has been delayed to next year. Additionally, the number of pool systems delivered this quarter fell short of our expectations.

We also experienced a slowdown in our PPF and ceramic membrane business which we believe is driven by temporary market conditions as end customers are waiting on potential interest rate cuts.

Looking ahead for the fourth quarter of 2024 we expect revenue to be in the range of 3.3 million and 4.3 million compared to 3.9 million in the fourth quarter of last year for the full year. This guidance translates to an expected revenue range of 14.5 million and 15.5 million.

Turning to gross margins, the reduced revenue base for the quarter led to a negative gross loss of 0.2 million compared to a positive gross margin of 0.9 million in the same quarter last year.

This decline underscores the impact of lower than expected revenue on our margin performance as fixed production costs were spread over a smaller revenue base, putting additional pressure on profitability as we still have overhead and other fixed costs that are not fully being assa one of the key metrics we look at to highlight the progress being made is our contribution margin during the quarter. When you back out fixed costs, our contribution margin ended at approximately 43.1% compared to 43.2 in the same quarter reported last year turning to opexs total operating expenses for the quarter were 2.4 million down from 2.6 million in Q3 of last year.

In particular, selling expenses decreased 2.4 million mainly from a reduction in executive offices. But we also saw savings from reduced travel costs, lower investor relations expenses and a decrease in expenses related to external sales consultancy services.

The increased 0.2 million attributable to the addition of new positions in supply chain and project management as well as increased legal expenses and insurance costs.

As we have emphasized in recent quarters, we remain focused on running a lean business by monitoring costs and carefully evaluating our spend to protect our financial objectives.

Concluding on the P&L net loss for the quarter was 2.8 million compared to 1.4 million for the comparable period of 2023.

As FAY mentioned, we have implemented a cost reduction plan to lower our break even target measured on an adjusted APD basis to a quarterly revenue run rate of approximately 5.5 million. This is a significant improvement from our previous target of 6.5 million to 7.0 million.

These cost costs will be comprehensive including a 10% reduction in headcount. A 10% reduction in base salaries for senior management in 2025. A 50% reduction in cash compensation for the board of directors in 2025 along with other cost saving initiatives.

Finally let me briefly comment on our cash flow and balance sheet before summarizing and handing back over to faith.

We ended the quarter with 4.5 million in cash. A decrease of 1 million from the second quarter, primarily due to cash used in operating activities partly offset by proceeds from issuing common stock.

Following the quarter's end, we completed the second tranche of the private placement. Earlier announced adding an incremental 8.8 million in proceeds bringing our performer cash balance to 13.3 million to summarize balancing. Cash flow is a critical KPI for us as we work to safeguard cash reserves, ensuring both strategic and financial flexibility. Our cost reduction efforts including targeted headcount and salary cuts are essential to building a lean operation that aligns with our long term goals.

Thank you for your continued support and now back over to UK.

Thank you Philip in closing where the quarter was desponding due to the delayed delivery. We have more systems today at various phases of testing and piloting than at any point in our history.

We have incredible technology that can be applied across a number of different applications and it is imperative on us to further develop the various partnerships to put ourselves in a position to not be so dependent on one or two orders each quarter.

Fortunately, we have a strong balance sheet, but I want to make it clear that we are not taking our elevated cash position for granted. We have put in place initiatives to reduce our expenses. We are driving revenue growth with that operator. We would be happy to take any questions.

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The first question comes from Rob Brown with Lake Street capital markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Just wanted to get a little more color on the delay in the, in shipping to the oil and gas market. And you said in 25 any, any sense on when that will be shipped? And I guess maybe some color on, on the, on the change in, in taking that unit and you on, on, does that delay the ultimate kind of pilot effort and inability to get follow on orders or timing and follow on orders?

Thank you, Rob. And I think in our press release, you have read, we actually written and we, we expect is coming the first half of 2025.

Okay, great. And then I guess what was the sort of reasoning? For the delay, I think it shifted to the location. But was that.

Yeah, because when they shift to a new location and the water, you know, in a different size, they are different, but they do not need to run all the testing of our system because it has been demonstrated very robust and, you know, it's really can handle different water streams, but they have some one or 23 steps before our treatment. And there they would like to do some running testing before they put us in place. So that was when we delayed the process.

Great. And then on the lithium Brine project that you had, can you give a sense of how big that market is or what a typical system size is in that market? And, and there.

I mean, we are, we, we are very, very happy to see the results. It's so convincing. So the customer very fast order the pilot unit. So, so the max size is huge and just for this customer alone in one size will be, you know, more than, you know, it's more than what we never normally, it will be like a double size or even five times the size, what we normally expect. So it's, it's very big, but we come in steps. I don't think they will come all together at once, but they will come in step wise. And so it's, it's a very, very huge potential market and it feels like it, it turned out our technology has a very, very unique performance and they are very excited about that. So they also have a patented ion exchange technology is very unique. So I would like to able to, you know, excited to share more information with all you when when the pilots are finished because then it's more clear, but the market is much bigger, it's much bigger than what we normally expected.

Okay, thank you. I'll turn it.

Over.

The next question is from Lucas Ward with Ascendent capital markets. Please go ahead.

Hello, team, good afternoon.

Thanks for taking the question.

So yeah, I wanted to drill down a little bit more on the order pipeline. Like I I'm interested in like how you track it. Do you, do you have like a dollar figure for what your backlog is or you know, your three month backlog or your six month backlog? Are you simply tracking individual pilot projects which ultimately hopefully lead to commercial orders?

So that, that depends on the business areas. So we have our recurring business where we have all the pipelines with dollar marks for, for all of the, all of the potential orders. But as they also mentioned, we have other business areas with local sales cycles where we follow each step for for the pilots beginning with testing at the customer site and that should turn into pilot orders and the pilot orders should turn into commercial sized orders. So it differs, depends on the business areas.

Okay, cool. So it's, it's seems like it's lumpier than I thought. Like if one order is, you know, 1.5 million, let's say, like, can you give us an idea of the size of, let's say, well, first of all, do you do, do you book revenues at the test phase or not? Because it sounds like you're booking them at the pilot phase?

Yeah. So, so that, that, that depends on the arrangement with the customers, but with the recent pilots, we've, we've announced it's either been as a direct sale to the customer or as a rental. So the customer rents our pilots and then we provide service engineering for, for them and we do the testing together with the customer and that, that gives us.

Okay, cool. So let's say let's say a system is a million dollars, the commercial part, how much would the pilot be? Is that like 100,000? Like what's the difference in scale from pilot to commercial? I mean, if you buy it, obviously, if you granted it's different.

So if you buy it, it depends on the end market. It's, it's not, it's not, we're not able to say, but if we rent it, it depends on how long time the customer wants to end obviously. So it really depends on the end market and, and what we have of the track record within that end market.

I come back to the price compared to the pilot with a commercial pilot plan. It depends all depends on the capacity because you know, the cost and the sales price depends on, you know, the treatment capacity.

So it's a, it's not a one number. It's really kind of depends on the exact project so it can be varied.

Okay? If we, if we look at some of these newer markets like oil and gas produced water or potentially lithium brine extraction, is it fair to say that the system value is going up a lot relative to, let's say marine scrubbers or you know, your previous bread and butter swimming pools obviously would be.

Definitely they are going up very much so.

Okay. With respect to the lithium project, it says in the press release that that your u membrane filtration can actually enhance the downstream ion exchange, which I'm not sure what that means. But it sounds like if you're becoming part of the production process as opposed to just cleaning, you know, the, you know, the water that maybe is produced as a result. Is it, is that a new position?

Yeah, you're totally correct. We are going to be a part of their production process in that in the brand production. So they are using the ion exchange, that means they have a special materials, you know, as the ion exchange material to really kind of and have a chemical reaction with, with the lithium ion to convert that to to to the metros they needed to use. And in order to do this very efficiently, they do need to have the water have been preread.

So in this way, I need the lithium ion will be react on the media, otherwise the efficiency will be reduced. So we are really here for them to increase their efficiency of capture lithium ion. So it is totally right Lucas, we are in the production process.

Okay. Cool. And with respect to microplastic removal, is this a new market for litech?

It's I mean, this is very, very good question. It is a new, we actually had a development project in 2023 found by Danish government and really doing the testing of a microplastic remover from industry wastewater. And we were very surprised to see the good results we got in that development project. So with that data in hand, we start had a communication with this us Patro chemical company because we realized they have a challenge with the microplastic in their wastewater and they got very excited about our results and our technology. So we are very fast to get the pilot order. And right now we are actually conducting the pilot at the customer site in us.

Okay, thanks. Okay. Last question win DG dual fuel engines. Is this a new market? I mean, what's the significance of that relative to your, you know, standard marine scrubber opportunity.

This is a new application. So I would say yes, this is a new market because the standard traditional marine scrubber market is really a regulatory control. They need to trade the water before they can discharge into the ocean. And this one is really the engine has to treat, you know, to be treated, the gas from exhaust, the gas from the engine has to be clean and treated in order to have the combustion efficiency of the engine. So this is not a regulatory control, it's really the requirement for the engine. So that's why it's much more interesting because in this way, they have to choose efficiency, efficient technology, not only by the cheap, you know, not choosing the cheap. So that's why we think we have a unique position here. And also they demand the water treatment solution has to be continue operating when the engine is running. And that makes many of the cheap. And you know, other competitive technology cannot really perform in this application. And we know our solution is able to run continuously 24 hours. And I mean very few, you know, very short time for the for the cleaning and this is also unique of our solution. So it's a very interesting new application area for us. Definitely.

Okay, great. Thank you, Faye Philip and Robert.

Thank you.

Okay, bye bye.

Again. If you have a question, please press star, then one.

Debbie. This is Robert here. I guess while we wait to see if there are additional questions submitted live here. I've got a few webcast submitted questions again. If you're listening on the webcast, I would like to submit a question. You can type it in the ask a question box there, Fay and Philip. There is one component I think of the lithium brine question that you did not already get asked. And it was how long do you expect the pilot to be for the brine customer? Do you have any estimates on the timeline for the pilot?

And I expect they will be there until the next the next couple of months, they will be there.

Next few months it'll take. Okay. Next question here is, can you talk about some of the reasons for the challenges within the pool system? This year? Is there any one particular reason there?

I mean, from the Mac perspective, all the, all the customers and the partners are very, very interested in our technology. So we have a very, very good technology with a very strong value proposition. And unfortunately, we had a sales management, a VP for sales and also a salesperson for the poor system did not perform well. And that actually cost, you know, our sales really going down in the pool system side. So we have made the correct actions. We have changed the way people for sales. And also we have hired a new salesperson. So they are now in the whole speed, you know, intensive work to catch up what has been left and, you know, the left out and we are really building up new distribution partnerships. And also we follow up closely with our existing distributors. And I really believe 2025 you're going to see the effect of a new sales team will be much more efficient and really, you know, professional compared with the old one. So it's a purely our internal reason, nothing about the market and the customer.

Okay, great. Again, I'll just remind everyone star one to ask a question on the live dial in or you can type in your question through the the webcast feature there as well. It looks like I might have one additional question here and it's relating to the JV in China for the marine scrubber. Can you just expand on that a little bit further? What are some of the main goals and some of the, you know, the the various processes that they yourself and the partners will be undertaking?

Yeah, it's, it's a joint venture with a, with a state owned technology research institute, Jre in Jiangsu and Jiangsu province is just next to Shanghai. So majority of the China's keeping build industry actually is in that region. Actually, this location called the NANT. There is, there's a deep sea water harbor and that's why there's a lot of building industry exactly in that place. And we are going to work through these partners and they actually have a marine sector, has a very strong stakeholder relationship network that will be very good for us. And they actually invest also in this joint venture. And we already start, you know, looking at hiring the people in China locally and also build up a spare part and service in the local in the short term and long term, we will also look at the localization of our system assembly and it's really really crucial. We have to have the people on the ground in China in order to following up all those building industry and the design institute really to get us close to them. And that really will make us, you know, very strong presence in China and make it happen. This I really think will help our marine scrubber for the solution to be sold in China.

Okay, great. I hope those answer the questions from the webcast. I am not showing any additional questions here through the live line. So Fay and Philip, I will turn it back over to you for any closing remarks.

Thank you very much for being with us today. We look forward to communicating with you soon again. Thank you.

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