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Thank you for joining us for the Lionsgate Studios Corporation's fiscal 2026 second quarter conference call. We'll begin with opening remarks from our CEO Jon Feltheimer, followed by remarks from our CFO Jimmy Barge. After their remarks, we'll open. Call for questions. Also joining us on the call today are Vice Chairman Michael Burns, COO Brian Goldsmith, Chairman of the TV Group Kevin Banks, Chairman of the Motion Picture Group Adam Fogelson, President of Worldwide TV and Digital Distribution Jim Packer, and senior adviser to the Office of the CEO at Lionsgate and co-CEO of Three Arts Brian Weinstein. The matters discussed on the call also include forward-looking statements, including those regarding the performance of future fiscal years.

Such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially and adversely from those described in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. This includes the risk factors set forth in our public filings for Lionsgate Studios Corp. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly release the result of any revisions to these forward-looking statements that may be made to reflect any future events or circumstances. I'll now turn the call over to Jon.

Thank you, Niley, and good afternoon, everyone.

Thank you for joining us.

We reported a quarter in line with our financial expectations and with all signs pointing to significant growth over the next two quarters and through fiscal '27. We are pleased to report that our trailing 12-month library revenue reached a billion dollars for the first time, a record performance that highlights not only the value of our library but our entire portfolio of intellectual property. During the quarter we continued to invest in that portfolio by preparing our tent poles for fiscal '27 and beyond, wrapping production on Michael while shooting The Hunger Games and two Resurrection films. This morning we dropped our first Michael trailer to kick off the marketing campaign for what we believe will be a true motion picture event in April.

This week we announced a multifaceted deal with Millennium to acquire all future film and television rights to The Expendables franchise and worldwide distribution rights to the next Rambo movie starring the recruits Noah Centeno and directed by SISU's Yomare Hellender. We will also be the lead studio on all future Rambo TV series.

Next week I will be in London for the launch of the first ever Hunger Games stage play. Early ticket sales have been so strong that the play has already been extended to October 2026, kicking off a roster of Lionsgate stage plays that includes La La Land, Dirty Dancing, Wonder, and Silver Linings Playbook. In a difficult operating environment, our television business has scored 3 wins in a row with the studio, winner of a record 13 Emmys, including Best Comedy.

The breakout hit The Hunting Wives for Netflix and most recently The Rainmaker. 3 different types of shows on 3 different kinds of platforms with 3 different financial models. ALL3 have been renewed for 2 seasons, and our 3 Arts talent management and production company continues to have a year of strong growth and diversification.

Last quarter, Three Arts expanded into sports with the acquisition of ANA Management, adding world-class athletes like NFL superstar Travis Kelsey to the newly rebranded Three Arts Sports.

This quarter they built on that momentum by hiring leading sports manager and entrepreneur Shai Olashebikan, who has already brought aboard NFL star Miles Garrett as Three Arts continues to build a top tier sports talent management business.

Turning to our motion picture group, from Now You See Me Through Resurrection, we've put together a film slate primed to deliver strong growth over the next 18 months. We have 3 major holiday season releases with excitement building for the return of Now You See Me's Four Horsemen opening next Friday.

Paul Feig's thriller, The Housemaid, starring Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried, and based on the first novel of the bestselling Housemaid trilogy, is generating strong buzz ahead of its December 19th release.

And rounding out an active two months, we're pleased to extend our collaboration with one of the greatest filmmakers of our generation with the December 5th release of Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair, presenting the entire Kill Bill epic as a single combined film in theaters nationwide for the first time.

Speaking of classic theatrical releases, we partnered with Fathom to release the 5 Twilight movies in theaters last week to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the first Twilight novel.

It was one of Fathom's top re-releases of the year, with the first Twilight film opening at #2 at the box office out of all releases 17 years after its debut.

Our three tent poles in Fiscal 27, Michael this coming April, The Hunger Games in November, and the first Resurrection movie in March 2027, followed by the second Resurrection film to kick off Fiscal 28, give us added visibility into our slate in an unpredictable box office environment.

Beyond these tent poles, we continue to develop many of our signature properties Saw, Blair Witch, American Psycho, Monopoly, Naruto based on the blockbuster manga property, and new films from the John Wick universe. In television, our go forward slate has a strong cadence as we secured key renewals for ghosts, The Rookie, the studio, The Hunting wives, and the Rainmaker. With an anticipated doubling of scripted series deliveries from Fiscal '26 to Fiscal 27, and we continue to refill our pipeline with strong new shows like Robin Hood, which debuted on MGM Plus last weekend, Spartacus House of Asher, which just dropped its first trailer ahead of its December 5th debut, bringing back one of Star's most successful brands, and the adult animated twilight TV adaptation Midnight Sun. Which is being readied for production at Netflix. The new season of Power Book 4 Force returns tomorrow on Starz with Power Origins, the next installment of a franchise that has already generated 3 hit spinoffs launching next year.

In an ultra competitive environment, we have to work overtime and entrepreneurially for every win. We found the right home in Netflix to grow The Hunting Wives, putting together a viral grassroots marketing campaign to propel it to 6 weeks in Netflix's US TOP10, and renegotiated our international licensing deals to pave the way for a second season Netflix renewal.

We partnered with Blumhouse and shot the Rainmaker in Ireland to create a winning financial model for our network partner at USA, and we continue to grow the long tail of older series with deals in new and traditional markets alike, securing a third cycle syndication sale for Mad Men, testing a traditional broadcast syndication rollout for ghosts in 14 markets, and exploring opportunities to repurpose several of our classic series for the micro drama market. It's important to note that the value of our continued investment in scripted television, playing the long game in order to retain rights is becoming more and more evident with the percentage of our library revenues from television doubling over the past 10 years.

Operationally in September we made the difficult but necessary decision to reduce our headcount by approximately 5%, bringing overall headcount reduction over the past 18 months to more than 20% as we continue to align our business with the reality of a changing marketplace.

On the technology front, we continue to find exciting new use cases as we apply AI to more areas of our business, increasing our productivity, generating cost savings, and expanding our creative toolkitt.

But we are also diligently protecting our content and that of our partners from unauthorized use of AI. Our intellectual property is the core of our business, and it is our prerogative to decide when, where, and how to use it.

But we do believe that as long as appropriate guardrails are established, the growing intersection of entertainment and AI will ultimately create significant and mutually beneficial value.

In closing, For the past 100 years, The big idea driving the entertainment business has been if you build it they will come.

If you make a movie and you put it in theaters, they will come.

If you put television series on 3 or 4 broadcast networks, 100 million homes will watch them.

Today, as our world expands into new digital and social media platforms, audiences are harder to find, harder to engage, and harder to market to.

But they are also consuming more content across more platforms than ever before, offering even more upside to a company like ours that brings to this new environment a massive portfolio of content, a roster of valuable franchises, efficient production models, and an entrepreneurial spirit.

Now I'd like to turn things over to Jimmy.

Thanks, Jon, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll briefly discuss our fiscal second quarter 2026 studio financial results and provide an update on the balance sheet. For the quarter. Lionsgate Studios revenue was $475 million. Adjusted OEII was $14 million and operating loss was $46 million. Reported fully diluted loss per share was $0.39, and fully diluted, adjusted loss per share was $0.20.

Net cash flow used in operating activities was 104 million while use of adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was 129 million.

Trailing 12-month library revenue grew 13% year over year to just over a billion dollars, reaching record levels for the fourth consecutive quarter.

Now breaking down our performance in the quarter, let's start with motion picture.

Motion picture revenue was $276 million and segment profit was $31 million. Revenue was expectedly down year over year due to difficult comparison with last year's second quarter, which had five wide theatrical releases in the period relative to just two releases this quarter. Segment profit was up significantly year over year as we rebounded off of last year's underperformance of Borderlands.

We anticipate motion picture segment profit to build from Q3 to Q4, driven by an increase in titles entering their pay one window in Q4 and P&A spend primarily tied to Now You See Me, now you don't and housemaid being weighted to the 3rd quarter.

There will be some P&A spin in the 4th quarter tied to April release of Michael, which will be followed by other highly anticipated fiscal '27 titles including the November release of Hunger Games Sunrise on the Reaping and the March 20th release of Resurrection Part 1. This cadence of tentpole films coupled with our mid-range budget slate. Gives us extended visibility and bolsters our view on motion picture growth in fiscal '27.

Now moving to TV, revenue was $199 million and segment profit was $13 million. Revenue and segment profit were expectedly down year over year due to the timing of episodic deliveries in the quarter. We expect strength in segment profit in TV over the remainder of the year, driven by an increase in deliveries and incremental licensing revenue tied to Hunting wives, which will be available in more Netflix international markets over the coming months. Furthermore, as we noted on our prior call, we are forecasting significant growth in scripted deliveries next year, strengthening TV's financial outlook in fiscal '27.

Now let's take a look at the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $1.7 billion of net debt, expectedly reflecting a modest sequential increase in leverage to 6.4 times on the timing of content spend. In addition, we strengthened our balance sheet by upsizing our IP facility by $320 million.

We used the proceeds to early pay the Spyglass library acquisition facility, reduce our revolver draw to zero, and stockpile cash.

We ended the quarter with $800 million of undrawn revolver and $247 million of cash on the balance sheet.

We are similarly seeing strength in off balance sheet assets as evidenced by our backlog ending the quarter at approximately $1.6 billion up $379 million or 31% sequentially. As you will recall, backlog represents off balance sheet contractual orders not yet delivered and is indicative of the strength we see in our future revenues and cash flows.

We continue to anticipate that fiscal '26 will be a back end loaded year and we expect sequential growth in Q3 and Q4. Additionally, as we noted last quarter, we expect stronger carryover of profits from our fiscal '26 film slate into fiscal 27, which combined with our previously discussed tentpole driven fiscal '27 slate and a TV business that is expected to show significant growth next year. Gives us confidence that we are still on track to deliver strong adjusted growth in fiscal '27 relative to fiscal '25.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Neelee for Q&A.

Thanks Jimmy operators, can we open the call up for Q&A?

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Thank you. Two questions, please. First, if you could drill down, some more on what's giving you the confidence, for the back half of this year in 2027 and beyond, with your slate granted, you explained, the backlog, being up significantly, but are there other metrics, with social media or audience testing that you or the, your licenses are doing? And then secondly, if you could please comment, on, your views of, the M&A optionality in, what's going on more broadly in the industry.

Thank you.

Hey, David, it's Adam. I'll start with your confidence question in terms of the slate. Clearly there is no perfect predictor out there, but that having been said, we are seeing a ton of excitement, just yesterday or the day before, exhibition was talking about a number of our films in the 4th. Quarter and into next year that they're seeing a lot of enthusiasm we're getting a lot of traction online. I can't either confirm or deny that we participated in the Louv heist, but now you see me has been all over social media, and the housemaid is generating a ton of conversation. The Michael trailer generated over 30 million views in the 1st 6 hours of its launch today, which is 50% more than what John Wick 4's trailer delivered in its 1st 6 hours. The conversations around The Hunger Games with every announcement of casting. And the massive global demand for resurrection, all of that gives us confidence. We recognize that you can't be perfect in predicting each film, but when you look at the portfolio and the films I mentioned and a lot of the mid and small budget films that we have on our slate, it does give us an exceptional amount of confidence, and the growth we're talking about is not based on projecting that every one of those turns into a blockbuster, but we think we've got a bunch in that mix.

Yeah, in terms of of the M&A environment.

I think, we can all see it's incredibly disruptive. There's a lot of uncertainty out there right now. All we can do, David, is keep sticking to our knitting, building into next year with again a great TV slate, a great film slate, and this library really starting to perform, and I can't say often enough, we've been investing for 25 years in that library, and we've retained rights almost every single time. We continue to retain them. Every time we can when we sell a television show and so we own, the majority of our library and it's paying dividends for us right now so we'll keep, doing what we do and we'll see where all the, where the bouncing ball ends up. It'll be some interesting bedfellows, I think.

I appreciate it. Thank. You.

And the next question comes from Brent Penter with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks everyone for taking the questions. Good to see the Michael trailer out today and sounds like really strong interest in that. There was a thought in the past that you all have some optionality on that in terms of the ability to then make a second film.

Assuming that one performs well, can you update us on where we stand on that option?

Sure, Brent, it's Adam. Thanks for the question.

Look, since the last time we were together on an earnings call, we have now had the great pleasure of seeing the director's cut of the first film, and it is exceptional. And while we're not yet ready to confirm plans for a second film, I can tell you that the creative team is hard at work making sure that we're in a position to deliver more Michael soon after we released the first film.

Okay, great, that's good to hear. And then more near term, Now You See Me, Now You Don't, coming out next weekend. What's the general sense you all are getting from tracking on that relative to what you were expecting when you green lit it? And then the first two movies were pretty big internationally, so should we expect there's a bit more revenue locked in there via some of those international licensing deals than than what we typically see?

Yeah, I mean, as I was saying on one of the prior questions, there is no perfect predictive measure, and I think tracking has become less reliable than ever.

That said, the movie is tracking much closer to the universe of the first movie, so we think that. Where traditionally you see significant degradation between the second and 3rd film, we think that performing in line with or ahead of the second film is possible, and it's important to note this corridor of the year really needs to be judged over multiple weeks.

You'll recall that when the last Hunger Games movie came out, we had a 4 multiple off a $44 million opening, and I think a 3.5 to 4.5 multiple on this film is what we should be thinking about the movie. There are a lot of social reactions to the movie that we've been screening online, and people are loving the film. As it relates to international, what I can say definitively is that that international performance has led to high demand from our foreign licensing partners, and so that's already accounted for, and we are not. We we don't have a a a massive domestic GAAP that we're trying to deal with here, so the economics of this film are already considering its global appeal, and Jim could speak to it, but we also have additional benefit not reflected in the individual P&L of this one film. When you make a good film in a franchise like this and have two existing installments out in the marketplace, there is meaningful financial benefit to that separate and apart from Now You See Me 3.

I think what you end up seeing is a halo on any of these remakes that we do or sequels or prequels, and we've seen it. You can see it with Jon.

Goes up, so we definitely, get a benefit when we have a new one coming out.

Okay, great. And then final question from me, you talked about the strong growth at 3 Arts. Can you just remind us.

The sizing of that business in terms of revenue and EBITA and and what kind of growth exactly you're seeing?

Yeah, Brent, in terms of just sizing the number, we're not going to, disclose that separately. It's not something that we've provided, but I'll tell you, we're seeing very strong growth going in the second half. And remember, in particular, it's a nice seasonal business too in the December quarter, and so we're seeing nice growth going in the second half and that continued growth. In fiscal 27, we like what we're seeing in that business and our partners there and Brian can probably give you a little bit more color on the operations. Sure.

Brent, it's Brian from Three Arts speaking. Look, operationally we're seeing a lot of positive momentum on the production side of our business.

Where we partner with and produce alongside of our clients, you have things like season 2 and 3 of the new King of the Hill, which is back on the air, a business we've been involved with, a show we've been involved with from the start, obviously along with, our partners here at Lionsgate, the success of Hunting Wives, another season for the paper, more seasons for Wrexham, and then, just this week, a third season for Nobody Wants Us. So we continue in this environment to succeed on the sports side. We have. Real momentum as John noted at the top of this call, but some interesting innovative stuff, our client, Travis Kelsey, who's part of the, team we've brought over now 3 Art Sports, formerly A&A Management and a really innovative deal with Janna Partners and a bunch of compelling, corporate relationships, in Travis's world and just growth in the core business, so we feel pretty good.

About where we're headed, about representation in general as we continue to grow that platform beyond our historical core into other new areas where we, can diversify the, offering that we provide to our clients.

Okay, great.

Thanks everyone.

And the next question comes from Thomas Ye with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thanks so much. Yeah, just following up on that industry M&A question, as an active seller to many of these companies, it seems like you're still seeing pretty broad strength in the series orders and series pickup environment. Is there a sense that consolidation of the buyer pool could change those dynamics if the broader view is that they'd still be spending as much content, if not more, perhaps on a consolidated basis?

Yeah, that's a great question. It's Kevin speaking. I think uncertainty when it's hanging over the market makes everybody buy a little bit less. The extended process of Sky Dance and Paramount, froze Paramount for a lot of time. We're pretty excited about that being resolved. They've laid out to the selling community what they're looking for. They're, they have an appetite to buy more dramas, more scripted in general. I think you're going to see more clarity around Comcast between the Peacock NBC studio side and Versant where we have Rainmaker, which has done really well, so that consolidation could happen, but if it results in stronger buyers that have, bigger appetites and are signaling to the selling community that they're healthy, that's a positive. Obviously the more buyers than not as good, but unhealthy buyers are not good. But we are seeing some green shoots. It's not a full recovery, but we've, we're off to a nice start this year, this summer between studio, hunting wives, Rainmaker.

We just launched Robin Hood. Force is about to go tomorrow. Spartacus behind it. Ghost and Rookie, our kind of Ghost just premiered two weeks ago, Rookie in January. It's a nice cadence of things and nice renewals, and that's giving us a lot of confidence about the market.

Okay, helpful. And then Jon, you mentioned ramping stage play adaptations and IP monetization kind of starting to kick in. Can you just help us think about the ancillary revenue opportunity and the economics that you'd be participating there? Is this like a high margin licensing revenue sort of deal for like a la la Land musical?

I'll.

Let, Adam answer that. He's been really driving that.

Business. Yeah, I mean it's not one size fits all, we're looking at each individual opportunity. There are a lot of no risk licensing opportunities in here, but there are certain cases where we will take an investment position. It really depends on our comfort level with our being, meaningfully additive to the creative process, but, each of the projects Jon mentioned as it relates to stage and some of the stuff we've talked about in our previous conversations, continuing to. Really great attendance of the Jon Wick Live Experience in Las Vegas and there definitely is interest in expanding that to other destinations. Our AAA game opportunities and other gaming opportunities around Jon Wick and Saw and some others that we'll be announcing soon. We're seeing increased interest and increased opportunity, and we remain on schedule. So I think in totality you are going to see a meaningfully additive financial opportunity coming in the coming years.

Thank you.

And the next question comes from Omar Muhammad with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Good evening and thanks for the question. Jimmy, first, you talked about the backlog now at 1.6 billion or up 31% sequentially. Can you expand on the puts and takes of this incremental demand and our market trends improving on the TV side or is this a Lionsgate specific driver and any help on unpacking the underlying strengths would be helpful.

No, absolutely. The strength is across motion picture and TV and particularly the $380 million 30% plus uplift sequentially was driven by both, but majority showing strength in television. So examples like Studio Season Two rolling in, Housewives Housewives Season two.

Power Book Origins, Season 1, Yellow Jacket Season 4. So kind of broadly spread, given us visibility as we were anticipating into the second half as well as into 2027. And as Jim mentioned a minute ago, with these franchises, whether it be the John Wick franchise or Twilight or Hunger Games, you just have continuing lift in demand. And so that's really nice in that window. And I would just say that of that, 1.6 billion, 85+% of that will come in in the next 18 months. So this is not only the second half, but it's also well into the fiscal 27, and it's really reflective of how we're rebuilding the pipeline for future revenue and cash flow. I'll remind you that's off balance sheet, which means it's future revenue and cash flows.

That, that's super helpful. And then on leverage, can you remind us what can you do to bring down leverage and where do you think you can get leverage to in the relative near term? So maybe twofold question here. How should we think about growth over the near to medium term to drive down leverage and then just an update on where things stand with 3 arts and the potential to bring a, to bring in a partner there.

Sure. So, look, we're naturally going to delever. I mean, you see it. Our peak leverage is probably going to be in Q3 and then back down in Q4 and then significantly declining as we go into 27 and 28. And this is really about re restocking the pipeline. If you think about it, right, in Q3, we've talked about P&A spin we're going to have around now you see me and housemaids. If you look at our content spin, it's generally, throughout the year, but more heavily weighted to the mid-quarters, meaning Q2 that we're just coming out of and extending as well in Q3, will also have the P&A spin. So you'll see net debt balances rise a little bit and really the trailing 12 months, right, is a lower level than usual because of, again, we got the P&A spin, we're rebuilding the pipeline and then. What you'll see is the delevering will naturally occur with the ramp up in trailing 12 months adjusted EBI.

I think as we go out into 27 and I would say even into 28, right, which we're going to have great carryover from 26 into 27, even stronger carryover from 27 to 28, we're going to get back to that 3 to 3.5 times leverage that we're more comfortable with, and that is not taking any anything into consideration with regards to. Potential 3 arts transaction it would obviously result in delevering.

Yeah, we're talking to 4 or 5 potential partners. We have a nice growth profile as Brian said in terms of sports and in terms of our news personality business, and we're seeing, really tremendous uptick of activity across the board there. We should have more information, I think, for the street in the 1st quarter and be able to kind of H1 in on. Whether there's a smart deal to be made, but if we can find the right partner at the right deal to help us grow that business, we're going to do it.

Great. And lastly for me, John or Adam, excited about Michael. Watched the trailer today. It looks great. Curious, what's the early feedback on the trailer and what's the potential opportunity for this film globally.

Thank you guys.

The response has been, overwhelmingly positive. People have been waiting a long time for this. The trailer, I think, smartly acknowledges that with the very first words that are spoken in the trailer, and we have seen, wild enthusiasm. I think people are stunned, with Jaafar's performance, even in the short amount. That's in this first relatively brief teaser. I think the production values are there. I think when you look at the quality of the filmmaking team and look at the kinds of films that they've delivered in the past and you look at the successful, the top tier most successful sort of musical biopics that have ever come out, you see a broad range, but all of those broad range results. Would be fantastic wins for for the filmmakers and for the studio and for our partners at Universal and our partners in Japan as well. So I think if you look at the top tier musical biopics, you get a pretty good sense of what the range is and anything in any in any version of that is going to be a huge success.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Again, if you have a question, please press star and then 1. Our next question comes from Matthew Harrigan with benchmark. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Living in Colorado, I'm not even a particularly, avid Broncos fan, but I can't, I think I'm going to have to take 3 or 4 points off you my price target for your signing, Travis Kelsey, not a fan of that one.

But seriously, I'm curious on the Resurrection movie. It sounds very complicated, Marvel movie plus on the special effects. I know you, you're recasting so you don't have to go through the aging process even though that's feasible, more feasible now from an II vantage point. I think you said you couldn't have done it at ALL2 or 3 years ago, but are you completely confident that you can meet, I, you probably wouldn't. He would have said it already if there's any hesitation, but are you confident you can get that together? And what are the possibility of that also breaking into two parts, similarly, I know it's probably a little early relative to Michael because you've seen so much of. Michael, and then secondly, you must be really confident now you see me because whether you watch the election night results or the NBA or the NFL you've got a pretty heavy load of commercials for that they're often not full thirty seconds. But what are you seeing in the cost of advertising from your vantage point and what are you doing to change the marketing? By the way, I'm a little surprised with AI and everything that it's actually getting harder to distract films. It's kind of intuitively, I would think that you might have better visibility rather than worse, but I know it's always been an art rather than a science, kind of a fracturing the question a little bit there, but I'm sure you get it. Thanks.

Okay, Matt, that was a complicated question, but I'm going to go to our man on the ground actually in Rome right now to answer the first part of your question, Mike, if you're there, let's talk about resurrection.

Yes, I am. Hey, Matt, I had dinner with Bruce, the producer, and Mel Gibson tonight. I was on the set today, had a visit actually with the new ambassador from Italy, and the visited, I felt like I was going, walking into Jerusalem. The sets are extraordinary. The movie is on time, on budget. Mel showed me a bunch of of footage that he shot at dinner.

He is quite a filmmaker, and Adam and I hotly pursued him for this movie. It is going to be two movies. It is not one movie. It is going to be two movies, and Mel thought his comment to me tonight that it was going to be each one of those pieces would be less than 2 hours, and, but he feels very confident that he's got a real 12 punch here. So what I saw today was extraordinary, and Mel Gibson can really direct. So we are very optimistic, Matt.

Thank you, Michael and.

Adam. Yeah, no, look, so I would add that that the two movies combined cost less than any one movie that the major, any one tent pole that the major studios have made in the last 10 years.

So the economics of it are actually very powerful.

The AFM. Market begins shortly and it has been written and it is not incorrect that we once again have absolutely the hottest title out there and we're getting incoming calls from everybody in the foreign distribution space asking to participate and so the value of it is not only a value that we see but it's a value the entire market sees and so we're we're really excited. About the opportunity as it relates to your marketing question, I really appreciate the, how you framed it because I can tell you that we are being completely competitive in generating awareness and urgency in our films, and yet we are still spending 30 to 50% less than competitive studios to do that work and it is using. Every bit of available technology to make sure that when you are buying more traditional media you're buying it in places where people are watching and actually watching the ads, but also leaning into, all available digital opportunities, not only the ones you buy but the ones you create. I was, I was having only a little bit of fun on the now. See me speculation around the height of the loop, but there's a ton of content that we created to allow the audience to continue to have fun, speculating on what happened there. The same thing on the long walk when we had the treadmill screening, massive amount of pickup and social engagement on that. Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried, each thing they put out on the housemaid is generating a massive amount. Of engagement and those are things that are not high cost, but if you come up with creative, on brand, on message ways to incentivize the audience to share with one another, you can still create a significant motion picture event without spending massive sums of money and being efficient continues to be a hallmark, but being efficient if you're not generating awareness would not be good for us or our filmmaking partners and our filmmaking partners are all really excited with the work we're doing.

Great answers.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And the next question comes from Peter Sapino with Wolf Research. Please go ahead.

Good evening, Jack did here on for Peter. My question is, with your upcoming slate increasingly concentrated behind larger, more IP-driven films, I was curious if those films garner higher international pre-sales as a percentage of their production budget to offset the concentration risk.

Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, I would say that it's not always the case that the percentages change radically. We're actually still able to get a terrific collaboration with our foreign partners on our mid-size and smaller films, but yes, on the bigger films, you sometimes will see a very outsized.

Participation from our partners and the the risk profile of each individual film is something that we take very seriously before the movie is greenlit, so we're not going into it surprised by that. We have enough intel to know going in what level of performance we need to hit the profitability threshold that we're aiming for, but we're still seeing great support for our mid and lower budget films, but it is true that on movies like Michael and Hunger Games and The Resurrection. That percentage can get up to a really strong number.

Thank you.

And the next question comes from Vikram Kesavabhotla with Baird. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hey, thank you for taking the questions. I have two. My first one is really a follow-up to some of your comments there. I'm curious if you could just share some of your observations from the long walk and good fortune and really from a higher level going forward, how you plan to balance your investment in the small and mid-sized portfolio relative to your tentpole films. And then my second question is on the library, you call that the strength there over the last 12 months. Curious if you can just talk more about what you think the drivers are that are supporting that, performance and how sustainable you think this level is on a go-forward basis. Thanks.

And you want to take the second part first? Yeah, sure.

I'll take the second part first.

Jim, thank you for the question.

I think you're seeing an expanding amount of contributors that are going into these numbers. It's really kind of unique and interesting that we've been growing certain areas. Like if you look at our self-directed channels, that business has started to really help our trailing 12 months.

The series licensing that I'm seeing in the business right now. Has changed. I was looking at our numbers recently. We've sold about 5 times more series than we did 5 years ago, and the series that we have are really strong and relevant. I mean, if you look at our Netflix TOP10, we've had 9 in the TOP10 recently, which is a big number for us. And then lastly, as we talked about earlier with Adam producing IP that has other versions in our library, that helps pretty much become a halo for everything else we're doing. So all of that is contributing and really I see the strength, staying strong.

And as it relates to the slate mix, look, we're never going to be forcing big films onto our slate, to make it look like we've got tent poles. We just happen to have a really good stockpile of incredibly valuable content right now. So I think when we mentioned a few quarters ago that. We were anticipating 2 to 4 tent poles a year going forward. Our development slate is putting us in a position to be able to accomplish that. We talked about another resurrection and the the possibility of a second Michael film. I think when we mentioned things like Naruto, which we've talked about on previous calls, I'm not sure everyone was clear. On what the growing popularity of manga is in the world, but it has been very clear generally and specifically in film how big it is, and there's no bigger property than that. We're making huge progress on that front, making huge progress on the monopoly front, and a lot of conversation around things like American Psycho, but. You know whether it's not priced like a tadpole, but we've had a great conversation with James Wan and Jason Blum about the new takes on both the Saw franchise and the Blair Witch franchise. So we think we're going to have films across a broad range of costs, but we should be in that 2 to 4 tent pole a year range for the foreseeable future because we've got a number of films that have earned it. But our mid-size and smaller films are things that are coming with great talent, often with great IP or brand value, and we think there will still be a huge opportunity there as well.

Yeah, I want to emphasize again for me.

The biggest uplift in recent years is the fact that we've taken deficits on television shows and retained rights in the feature film business that no other independent company has done. We retain all of our rights, for example, downstream rights to all our films in Latin America. We retain all rights in the UK and in television, while we sometimes will do a cost plus deal, really we probably have 70%. 80 of our television shows, maybe 80% of them, we've been taking deficits for them. Even a show like Orange Is the New Black, you think about that as a Netflix show. Well, that's not a Netflix show. It's on Netflix right now, but it's a Lionsgate show, and in a couple of years when we can get that back, that will be a very valuable addition to to Jim Packer and his team, on a global basis. And so I think we're We're starting to see the reward that we've had for taking these deficits all these years, and as I said, we've doubled the television contribution over that last 10 year period, we've doubled it from about 15% to 30% of our of our library. So it's all working and in addition, Jim has done an amazing job of building these self-directed channels, whether they're fast channels, whether they're Digi.

And so right now, anytime we have an avail, anytime it's not sold to a third-party, Jim has the ability to monetize that title and you've got over 20,000 of those, you can see it's starting to add up. So I think ultimately it's our strategy to be different than every other independent that's starting to pay off.

Okay, great, thank you for the color.

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