Kornit Digital Ltd (KRNT) 2025 Q1 法說會逐字稿

Greetings and welcome to Kornit Digital's first quarter 2025 earnings conference call.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to our host, Mr. Jared Maymon, investor relations for Kornit Digital. Mr. Maymon, you may begin.

Thank you, operator. Good day everyone, and welcome to Kornit Digital's first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Chief Executive Officer, Ronen Samuel and Lauri Hanover, Kornit's Chief Financial Officer.

For today's call, Ronen will provide comments on the first quarter of 2025 and provide an update on our market. Lauri will then review the first quarter results and provide our second quarter outlook before we open it up for Q&A. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other US securities laws will be made on this call.

These forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to statements relating to the company's plans, strategies, projected results of operations, or financial condition, and all statements that address developments that the company expects will occur in the future. Forward-looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially from those implied by the forward-looking statements.

I encourage you to review the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the company's annual report on Form 20 filed with the SEC on March 28th of 2025, which identifies specific risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. Any forward-looking statements are made currently, and the company undertakes no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements except as required by law.

Additionally, the company will be making reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures on this call. The reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in the company's earnings release published today, which is also posted on the company's investor relations website.

At this time I'd now like to turn the call over to Ronen. Ronen.

Good morning and thank you for joining us. I'm pleased to report that Kornit met expectations in Q1 and delivered on our commitments even as we operated in an uncertain macro environment with new trade policy risks and soft consumer sentiments.

Revenue came at $46.5 million and adjusted EBITDA margin at 8.4%, both within our guidance. We also generated positive cash flow from operations demonstrating the strength of our model and discipline execution, but the real story at this quarter lies beyond the numbers. The apparel industry is undergoing one of its most significant disruptions ever.

And there has never been a better moment for Kornit as pioneering digital transformation to lead. Global supply chains have been optimized for low cost offshore bulk production which no longer meet the demands of today's consumer. We expect instant gratifications, endless variety, fast delivery, and sustainability.

Brands and retailers are recognizing that producing closer to the consumer in smaller runs and only what actually sells is essential. This transformational shift is no longer optional, is becoming urgent, and Kornit's digital platforms delivers the agility that customer needs to wins in today's marketplace, minimizing waste, freeing up working capital, and improving margins.

Recent trade policy developments, including proposed US tariff on imports from Mexico, China, and other low cost regions, further emphasizes this needs to change. Our customers, especially brands and retailers, are rethinking their supply chains and turning to Kornit and our fulfillment partners to localize production. We are also well positioned to work through this set of circumstances because most of our manufacturing is based in Israel rather than China or other heavily targeted regions. And we are not significantly reliant on tariff exposed imports.

We have already taken proactive steps to mitigate potential impacts and based on what we know today, we anticipate only a modest cost effect if new tariffs are enacted. In fact, today's environment only reinforces our strategic positioning. That said, we remain vigilant. And the ultimate impact will depend on how trade policies evolve. A recent regulatory change is already reinforcing this shift. The US closure of the de minimis loophole on May 2, which had previously allowed sub 800 packages from overseas to enter tariff-free, is already disrupting the direct to consumer flow of low cost garments from China.

Brands are seeking alternative supply chains closer to the market, supported by early feedback from our customer base, which points to increased activities in the US as a result. While macro conditions delay a few planned system purchases in Q1, we are seeing a much more powerful force at work, growing conviction. Among both brands and fulfillers that now is the time to move to on-demand mass production. This is no longer theoretical. Our technology is proven. The ecosystem is in place and our customers are acting. Executives are telling us their organizations must adapt or risk falling behind, and they are choosing Kornit as a partner to lead that transition.

Let's now dive into the three key execution priorities that are driving cognit transformation and long-term growth. First is the successful adoption and scale up of the Apollo system. Which is key to our breakthrough into mass production. Since its launch, Apollo has delivered remarkable growth in impressions, especially on longer production runs which have traditionally been an analog stronghold. Apollo unlocking a high-volume segment that had long resisted digital, and we are now engaging with screen printers that previously wouldn't have considered this transition.

What stands out is that we are now seeing these traditional screen printers running jobs of thousands of units on the Apollo, something previously unthinkable in digital. This demonstrates the strong economics and scalability of the platform. Additionally, customers are telling us that Apollo is replacing the need for at least three carousel screen presses and enabling them to reduce their headcounts by 15 to 20 employees, delivering both operational simplicity and significant cost savings. Apollo's successful live debut last week at FESPA Berlin was an important milestone.

FESPA is one of the industry leading seal screen focused events, and our participation allows industry leaders to experience Apollo in action. The conclusion from attendees was clear and compelling. Apollo removes the compromises that have held digital back. It delivers what silk screeners needs. In the emerging marketplace, labor saving, automation, high speed throughput, and silk screen level retail quality, all without waste, set up time, or inefficiencies of analog.

Our pipeline continues to expand with many new customers, and early adopters have already added additional systems who are planning to follow on orders. Clear validation of the Apollo performance and ROI. The momentum Apollo is experiencing is a key part of our broader strategic shift to scale beyond the customized design segment and into mass production. Leveraging our complete Max portfolio, including Apollo, Atlas Max, Atlas Max Poly, and Presto Max to deliver the speed, quality, and agility the market demands. Interest is growing quickly from large fulfillers, global brands, and retailers seeking to replace legacy models and bring manufacturing closer to the consumer.

Second is accelerating the adoption of our all-inclusive click AIC model. This printing as a service approach is destructive in the hardware-centric industry and is gaining. Meaningful traction. AIC is designed to lower the barrier of entry to digital for our customers, changing how they buy, operate, and go with us and aligning our success with theirs. At the end of Q1, we reached a significant milestone. Our annual recurring revenue, ARR from AIC contracts reached $14.5 million. These are multi-year contracts, so that 14.5 represents a stable and growing base of recurring revenue contractually locked in for multiple years to come.

This significant milestone validates our strategy of emphasizing recurring revenue streams, and it's only the beginning combined with our reoccurring consumable and service revenue, today over 80% of Kornit's total revenue is recurring or highly predictable, driven by AIC consumable and service contracts. Our pipeline for this model continues to expand. As more customers see the benefits, and we expect AIC to go meaningfully through our 2025, driving a larger portion of our revenue and fostering more win-win partnership with our customers.

Third is our impression goals, both from our existing install base and increasing demand for new channels. This quarter we began reporting impressions on a trailing 12-month basis and reached a record $222 million impressions, up 10% compared to the period 12-month period. Driven by a stronger system utilization and continued digital adoption, each impression translates into recurring or reoccurring revenue and validates the growing value of our platform. To support this growth, we are focused on connecting demand with available production capacity, bridging between brands, retailers, and demand generators with our on demand global fulfillment network.

That connection of demand generation with fulfillment was the core theme at Connection. Our flagship event held last month in Miami. What started as a small gathering has become a sold-out industry summit, bringing together hundreds of leaders from fashion, retail tech, and manufacturing. The takeaway was clear. The shift to near shore, onshore, on-demand production in mass quantities is happening. And Kornit is at the center of it.

A major highlight from Connection is our newly announced strategic partnership with MAS ACE, a US subsidiary of MAS Holdings, one of the world's leading supply chain partners to top global fashion and retail brands including Victoria's Secret, PVH, Nike, Lulu lemons, GAAP Brands, and Marks and Spencer. MAS ACE is now using Kornit technology for short run replenishment in the US, enabling faster response time, helping brands reduce markdowns and avoiding costly stock outs.

This partnership is a major validation of our platform's ability to support high volume, time sensitive production at scale and a key step towards reshaping global apparel supply chains. We have also announced our partnership with Gooten, a leading print on demand platform now connected to our global fulfillment network via KornitX, Gooten. I leveraging our infrastructure to route consistent high quality orders into our install base, helping demand generators scale reliable on-demand production across geographies and categories.

In parallel, adoption is Going across digital native platforms like Custom Ink, Redbubble, TeePublic, Zumiez,Blue Tomato, Life Is Good, and Zazzle, all leveraging KornitX technology to fulfill faster, locally and with consistent quality. So as we look ahead, yes, macro uncertainty remains. But the transformation of the apparel industry is undeniable. The need for speed, agility, and relevance is the new standard. Kornit is leading this change with the right technology, a proven business model, and the operational scale to support our customers' evolving needs.

Based on what we see today, we continue to expect a full year for revenue growth, adjusted EBITDA profitability, and positive operating cash flow. While sale cycles may remain longer in H1, the momentum we are building across Apollo, AIC, impressions, and demand generation position as well for stronger growth in the second half of 2025. Historically, Konit primarily served the custom design segment of the apparel industry focused largely on one-off impressions.

This niche has driven most of the impressions produced on our system to date, but the market ahead is exponentially larger. The mass production space for ran under 1,000 units represents an estimated $4.5 billion impression globally. With Apollo, our max technology portfolio, and the proven economics of the AIC model, we now have the print quality, cost efficiency, and business readiness to go after this massive opportunity.

And we are not just aiming for it. We are starting to capture it. Customers are shifting. Use cases are expanding, and volume is moving. The opportunity he had is enormous, and Kornit is advancing with clarity, conviction, and purpose. We are not being reactive. We are playing offense and leading the transformation of how fashion is created, consumed, and delivered, and that future is on demand, digital, and much more sustainable.

Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Lauri.

Thank you, Ronen and good day to everyone.

First quarter revenues were $46.5 million within the guidance range of $45.5 million to $49.5 million we provided in February. Year over year we saw growth in product revenues primarily attributable to the expansion of our AIC program. As a reminder, AIC revenue captures the value of our consumables, system and service used by customers during production.

Service revenue declined year over year as we shipped fewer upgrades of the Atlas max, partly offset by a significant number of upgrades to Max Plus, which sell at a comparatively lower ASP. Moving to margins, first quarter non-GAAP gross margin reached 45.2% compared with 37.5% in the same period last year. The year over year improvement is largely attributable to no warrant impact this quarter, but was also benefited by operating efficiencies.

This quarter we also had a one-time benefit from a materials recovery effort which added approximately 2% points to service margin. Looking at operating expenses, total first quarter non-GAAP operating expenses were $27.4 million, a decrease of $0.3 million, or about 1% from $27.1 million in the same period last year. Moving to EBITDA. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $3.9 million. This was an improvement versus the negative $7.8 million we reported in the same period last year.

Adjusted EBITDA margin for the first quarter of 2025 was 8.4% within the guidance range we provided in February. Our balance sheet remains robust with our quarter end cash balance, including bank deposits and marketable securities, standing at $513 million. Operating cash flow was $5.8 million compared with $4 million in the same period last year. Cash flow, less capital expenditures, and investment in equipment on lease for AIC in Q1 was $2 million compared with $2.7 million in the same period last year.

Moving to our share repurchase activity during the first quarter, we completed our $75 million accelerated share repurchase program. Through this program, we repurchased approximately 2.5 million shares at an average price paid of $30.40 per share. We repurchased an additional 330,000 shares through a traditional open market repurchase in the quarter for an average price paid of $23.45.

This brings our total repurchases since 2023 to 5.9 million shares for a total consideration of $148 million reflecting an average price paid of $24.76. As Ronen mentioned, we also began disclosing two new metrics this quarter. First is impressions or the number of prints produced on Kornit solutions. This metric is derived primarily from data reported through our Connect software, which is installed on the vast majority of our newer DTG and roll to roll systems in the field.

For strategic accounts that do not make use of connect, we approximate impressions based on consumable shipments and average ink laid down per impression. A similar approach is used to convert square meters printed on our roll-to-roll systems to impressions. The second new disclosure is ARR from AIC. We calculate this figure by multiplying the minimum annual volume commitment by the related price per impression for each contract. The sum of these individual contract ARR calculations is our reported figure.

Contracts are only considered in this calculation once the system ships. Turning to second quarter guidance. Based on the current macroeconomic environment, we currently expect second quarter revenues to be between $49 million and $55 million and adjusted to margin to be in the negative 4% to 4% range. I'll now turn it back over to Ronen to open up the call for Q&A.

Thank you, Lauri operator. We are now ready to get the questions.

Thank you. (Operator Instructions)

The first question comes from Greg Palm with Craig Hallum. Please proceed.

Yes, hey everyone, thanks for taking the questions. I guess I wanted to just start with maybe just a broader discussion on the backdrop and we've been talking about this transition to screen, for a while, especially, over the last, 6 months to 9 months, but a lot's changed even more recently with, tariffs and trade supply chains, etc. So what are you seeing? What are you hearing from customers just given what's occurred here in the last, 4 weeks or 5 weeks?

Yes, thanks, Greg. So, I will start by saying that the market, the fashion textile market is going through probably the biggest disruption ever. This is the second time this market is going through disruption in the last 5 years, and we were relating to many of the trends that happened in this market, but now those trends become super relevant and we see it in the market. First of all, we see the consumer would like instant gratification, endless variety, fast delivery. This is a must.

Using the old model of production, mass production in low-cost countries like China, trying to focus on what the consumer would like to get the next day is impossible. You have to ship. These old models creating a $1 trillion of markdowns of waste and massive inventory, which is the biggest headache for the brands and retailers that they have to change. Now and on top of that, the tariffs, the de minimis, closure of the loophole, all of this creating a massive distraction. And we start to see brands, retailers are really moving and looking to connect to local manufacturing in order to become relevant to reduce their inventory and markdowns.

What else we see, we are talking to many brands right now and retailers in every boardroom of those brands. The main discussion right now is how do we change the supply chain? They cannot come again to the investors and the public and say we didn't change. This is the second time that's happened to them. And we see this move to on that talking with us and is playing a major role in connecting them to our customers, to the fulfillers, and I'm going to touch on MAS in-a minute as well.

What happens as well now is that for the first time there is a technology that can really capture the mass production. What proved is with the Apollo, with the mass technology, we can go after mass production. Customers are using those systems running thousands of run lengths on each one of them, showing the capability, the ROI, and the cost effectiveness of this. We are going after a massive market which is a $4.5 billion impression below the 1,000, and now our technology can capture this market share.

We see many net new customers. What the growth that we see right now with Kony is mainly coming from screen printers that are adding digital technology, Apollos, and much technology for the first time. Is it in the US, is it is it in Europe or in Asia? This is most of the goals that we have. And of course the AIC model is really accelerating the shift to move to on demand, to move to onshore production or near shore production, make it much easier for new players to enter the market.

All of it as a proof point to show a company like MAS that deciding to change and help major brands in the US to move to change the supply chain into on demand to enable them to reduce the markdown, to be more relevant, to bring faster product to the market. Show that what we have discussed for many years now is being accelerated and we see the point with mass and a few others.

Yes, makes sense. It's helpful caller. I'm not sure if you were, alluding or hinting, but can you just talk about, that the Apollo placement number for the year versus, previous expectations for 30? I know you mentioned kind of longer sales cycles and some delayed placements in Q1, but what are your thoughts, for the year and is all this, sort of macro stuff, is that impacting the timing of that 30 at all?

Yes, so first of all, I will start by saying that about the Apollo, the feedback that we're getting, I will get into your question. So, the Apollo, the feedback we are receiving from customers that are using it and from customers that are looking into if it's in FESPA or other events that we have, it's two words. It's a game changer. It's a game changer for the industry, both in terms of quality, in terms of automation, in terms of the production capability, and in terms of cost.

We see customers, existing customers already bought one system, buying the second and the third and even more systems. Our pipeline is getting bigger, but the interesting part is that our pipeline now is mainly built on net new customers that are coming from the screen. Market, many of them for the first time entering digital and they understand that they have no other way to fulfill what their what the consumer wants or what the customer wants in terms of the agility and the Apollo and the much technology is the right technology for them.

We also see many of them using the Apollo for long runs, really long runs. I'm talking one of the customers printed more than 10,000 garments, same garments on the Apollo, and they have also screened and they understand it's more viable to do it on the Apollo. So really seeing the cost effectiveness of this and they're also telling us that Apollo actually replacing three councils.

And reducing each Apollo, reducing something like 15 headcounts to 20 headcounts, so it's a major saving. And all over we believe that the Apollo and the mass technology is really opening for Kornit the opportunity to go after the mass production market, which is this $4.5 billion versus relative niche market that we were playing till now, which is the customized design that we were. And continue to lead it, but now the opportunity is much bigger.

As for the expectation for this year, we still expect to deliver approximately 30 systems this year. We have a very strong pipeline. It's true that at least one customer that was planning to buy multiple systems this year decided to delay. The passes to a later stage, but our pipeline is filled and continues to be filled by net new customers and also existing customers, mainly focusing on streaming places, but the placement on incremental volume, and we are optimistic about the 2025 and the future of the Apollo.

Yes, awesome. Well, sounds like a lot of exciting things going on so I will leave it there. Best of luck. Thanks. Thank you.

The next question comes from Erik Woodring with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

Great, thanks so much guys good morning thank you for taking my questions. Laurie, I obviously appreciate the new ARR disclosure, not to mention the other disclosures. I think it's extremely helpful for all of us and your investors. Can you maybe though just unpack this ARR number for us a bit, so $14.5 million of ARR. I believe that's Apollo and Atlas.

I think the minimum for each product, I think Atlas minimums annually are $300,000 and Apollo is $1 million. So just, units in AIC for Apollo versus Atlas, and I know you guys talked about that growing this year. Is there any way you could add a little bit of context to that to help us understand just how much we could think about AIC growing through the year, please? And then I just have a quick follow up.

Thank you.

So, Erik, I will start and I'm sure Lauri will add on top if I miss anything.

So, in general what we reported is the error, and we are very pleased to see where we stand by the end of Q1. This is a mix of Apollos and Atlas MAX and Atlas MAX poly. There's a mix. We are not reporting exactly what is the mix, but I can tell you it's exceeding our expectations in terms of the AR where we are today. More encouraging, we have a very strong pipeline for the AIC specifically. Already now in Q2 we are delivering and in Q1 we deliver even more than what we expected as I mentioned.

So for the rest of the year you will see continued growth. On the ARR. Now the ARL is the minimum commitment that customers are going to deliver on each one of the systems per the contract for one year. It's based on the minimum volume commitment multiplied by the click price for those customers. You touch on a number, I would say it's not exactly accurate. It's close to what you have said.

But it's shifting between long run to short run, so it's a bit more complex than that, but you are not far away from that. What we expect that this AIC, we already saw the contribution in Q1 of the AIC. Of course the contribution in Q2 will be larger than Q1 and in H2 it will be very meaningful contribution. To our revenue, the AIC, and therefore this is one reason why we believe that H2 will be much stronger than H1 for our business. Do anything to it.

Alright.

No, that was perfect. Thank you, Ronen. So, maybe just a follow up and it kind of, leverages the first question as well, which is, I hear you can see the data and the impressions, you can see the data in ARR here from AIC and I think we can all kind of think holistically about why the shift to on demand is urgent. Same with the tailwind from it, for example, closing the de minimis loophole, I guess my question is like, and in a meaningful way, how long should we expect for these catalysts to play out, meaning are you seeing the benefits here immediately from a you know a revenue and margins conversation or is this more.

A that are taking place today and therefore this is, still a significant opportunity but longer tail than that. It just takes, multiple quarters or multiple years to get some of these customers over the finish line and obviously growing you. I just want to make sure I kind of understand the pace at which we could see some of these tailwinds really start to play out for your company, and that's it for me. Thanks again, Ronen. Good luck for you guys.

Yes, this is a very good question, Erik, and you know we are not providing very detailed guidance, but what I would say two things. One, in our investor events in September, we gave an indication where do we see the growth of the of the business for the next five years, and we said that we will reach very close to the $500 million. So, you can see this is where we are today versus the impression where we expect the impression going into the next five years.

Now as part of the growth, some of the growth we see short term, the growth of the Apollo, the mass technology getting into the mass production with. We already see it. It's very clear. We also see some retailers that are changing their business model and moving vertically and growing with us. The familiar name is Zumiez, but there are many more like life is good, and I gave a long list of digital platforms that moving and starting to produce leveraging.

So this is something we see. As for brands, if you're looking for major big brands, I can tell you we engaged with many of them. There are a few projects that are more shorter term, but with each one of them there's pilots, and in the beginning we are starting small and then the intention is to grow and to scale. So, if you expect it to happen in one or two quarters, I would say it will take longer, but we expect that already in H2 and definitely 2026, some of those big brands will leverage it, we leverage our customers, we leverage on demand, and we'll leverage technology if vertically or through fulfillers.

Awesome, that was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much, Ronen.

Okay. The next question comes from Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed.

Hi, thanks for taking my questions first just a small question. Can you clarify what we're talking about when we say the one time materials recovery effort that added a couple points to the service margin?

Sure. It was just an effort on the part of our service organization to attend to certain materials that needed to be brought back in, and they did so, and they finished with that activity. So we thought it was worthwhile to call it out.

Okay, thank you, and then are you able to give us any sense for how many Apollos have been placed, to date in 2025? And also I'm curious if you could comment at all on, if, you hit the 30 number for the year roughly 30, how many new Apollo customers, could you add in 2025?

Yes, so partly I answered it before on the Apollo. We are not disclosing exactly the number of Apollos that we have right now in the field. I did mention very clearly that we're still expecting to deliver around 30 systems of Apollo this year. We have a very strong pipeline which builds mainly on net new customers, but also existing customers that buying additional systems.

And I also mention a specific case of one of our customers that was planning to buy multiple systems and decided to delay, but these those systems are being reallocated to new customers that are penetrating. So the good news is that we are becoming much more diverse. Rather than having few customers with many systems, we have many more customers that are starting to go with us with one or two systems.

And I'll just, thank you. I'll just try to ask around in a slightly different way just because you know the industry, in so many industries this year kind of February, March, April seemed to have just, paused and I'm just wondering if. Do you expect to, maybe you don't want to answer this, I guess, but do you expect to place more Apollos in the second half of the year than you would have in the first half of the year? Is it somewhat? Dependent on, stronger second half Apollo placement.

From the part of the plan from the beginning was that the second half of the year will be stronger than the first half of the year. Part of the reason is the Apollo shipment. Many of the customers would like to be ready before the peak season, so we expect a large amount of Apollos to be shipped in Q3 and the beginning of Q4.

Okay. All right. Thanks very much.

Thank you.

The next question comes from Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed.

Hey thanks guys thanks for taking a couple yes maybe we could start with it sounds like it's not something that's keeping you up at night at this point in time, is there any difference between, the way direct sales are, looked at versus the AIC model?

I mean, my understanding is most of the systems are shipped from Israel, spare parts from Europe. The AIC is maybe not technically a, product sale any difference in the way that that could be looked at?

Okay, so first of all, thanks for the question. So as you rightfully pointed out, I'll give a little bit more background, about 60% of our revenues are to the Americas. The majority of that goes to the US, and as you mentioned, the products we sell are largely manufactured in Israel, and that includes the systems, the inks, and a portion of the spare parts. It's important to note that some of those parts are actually manufactured in the US.

So for when we sell the product from Israel to our US subsidiary, they sell it in turn to our end user customers. For tariff purposes, what matters is the price at which we sell from Israel to the US subsidiary, the manufactured goods. What they're used for, whether it's a straight sale or AIC, is not pertinent for tariff purposes. What is pertinent is the price at which we sell those goods to the US subsidiary.

That price is on a cost plus basis, not the revenue price, cost plus, and of course the parts that are actually country of origin US are excluded, and that's about 10% to 15% of that cost. So consequently we expect, barring any changes from the present state that only a modest impact from the tariffs would be seen on cost of goods sold.

Thank you. That's very helpful, Lauri, really helpful, and maybe just, back to the competitive landscape. The AIC model, I think it's a function of two things. You have great products, especially the Apollo very strong balance sheet. Are you hearing anything, in terms of competitors, looking to try to create a similar AIC model.

We heard rumors about competitors that talking with customers that they potentially can provide them something similar to AIC. We didn't see it in fact. And when we are looking at the cash position, balance sheets, or the situation of the companies that they are representing, we don't think it's a scalable model that they can bring to the market.

Fair enough. I will leave it there. Appreciate it guys.

The next question comes from Troy Jensen with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please proceed.

Hey, congrats on the nice quarter. Love the enthusiasm here, Ronen.

Maybe quick to start with Laurie here. $14.5 million for the, AIC. I'm assuming that's not a radiable number. It's not going to be 25% of it. We're going to see next quarter it's going to be, may be more back and loaded or just correct if that's wrong. And then what when did you guys start really effectively selling AIC contracts, how long did it take to get to this level?

Okay, thanks for the question, Troy. So as I mentioned, the ARR number for AIC that we're reporting is based on the minimum contractual impression number multiplied by the price per impression, and we do that at the point in which the and will ship to a customer. So, from the point of shipment, it has to arrive, it has to be installed. They have to get up to production, etc. So, it's not an immediate portion, as you mentioned, it's spread out over time, at least in the first year after the first year should be fairly steady, okay.

Would it be more fourth quarter loaded though, given that everybody expects to print more in the 4th quarter, I guess that's one of just the seasonality of the AIC revenue recognition.

Of the AIC, well, yes, if our customers are, in the customized design space, the fourth quarter is typically a stronger quarter for them. So, in that sense, yes, but again, if we're reporting a deal in the third quarter until the customer gets up and running, it would take some time, right? Right.

Understood, yes.

And then just when did you start effectively selling it, how long did it take to grow to 14.5?

We announced the AIC program at some point last year, maybe in the middle of the year I think, and started marketing at that time.

Okay, and how about, Ronan just for you, I'd love to get an update on the role to role of market opportunity for you.

Well, can you repeat the question? I'm not sure.

I understood the question. We are all kind of more the higher end designer market. Lauri mean you talked about this at.

Yes, so we mentioned that world to world is going to be a growth year for these segments and definitely in Cuba we see we saw growth versus last year Q1 and we expect for the rest of the year that it will be stronger than 2024. We start to see a nice traction in the few market segments. One of them I mentioned in the previous calls, the footwear market. This is continued to grow. I can share that yesterday we shake hands with a new customer of actually is the second customer that already has systems for buying additional systems, so we shake hands on this yesterday, and this is going to be delivered this quarter.

So it's progressing. We see the appetite of those customers. They see the benefit, and this solution is commercial in the market, and you can buy footwear printed by Kornit Technology. So, this is one market segment we can see also growth in the technical market and with all kinds of unique applications. In Asia and also in Europe, in the fashion industry, we see that we're getting more into the mainstream fashion industry with customers in India, in Latin America, in Colombia specifically, we have a strong customers but going very nicely.

So overall there's a good progress. Of course, we see nice goes on the impressions and the feedback is getting stronger. We start to see a move in this market is still below what we expected to be today in terms of the growth in this market, but the pipeline is getting stronger.

Awesome. All right, well, congrats again and good luck for.

The next question comes from Chris Reimer with Barclays. Please proceed.

Hi, most of my questions have been answered already, but I appreciate the time. Maybe just one for you, Laurie. Where are you guys finding any other opportunities to maybe just drive profitability a little more as you wait for the for the revenue side to kick in a little more?

Thanks for the question. So we are vigilant in looking for efficiencies in everywhere we can find them. I even highlighted one that impacted Q1. So we look at it in the way we operate in the processes, various expenses. We're very diligent and vigilant in this respect.

The only thing that I would add, the most important. That possibility of course impression growth, so we are doing a lot of activities with our customers, helping them, connecting them with the demand generator if it's brands, retailers, creators. The event that we had last month in Miami, the connection events was exactly about that bringing into one room both retailers, brands, demand generator connecting them with their customers, and this of course, in the end more impression to every impression is all carrying or re accruing revenue for Kornit, which is very important. The example of Gen that we just mentioned is a new partnership. This is the outcome of this event, and there are many more that will come.

Got it. Thanks. That's great color. That's it for me.

The next question comes from Jim Ricchiuti with Needham and Co. Please proceed.

Hi, good morning. This is Chris Grenga on for Jim. The Gooten partnership, sounds like a really interesting partnership, and particularly in light of filling up capacity. How many more, opportunities are there out there like Gooten, to pursue to kind of feed the network, with these like big large partnerships.

Thank you.

Yes, without getting to names, there are many digital platforms out there that they all need to move into on demand. You don't want to work as a consumer to go to digital platform to ask for products and you get an answer that they don't have the size or the color or the design, they have to move to on demand. And we're watching each and every one of them. We have already many great examples.

One of our biggest customers is printful but just announced the acquisition few. Months back of Printify and many more like the Zazzel and others that are using Kornit as a platform. Customing is another big example of online. A digital platforms that are leveraging Kornit technologies. Some of them are connected directly through KornitX. Some of them we connect them directly to our customers, and this is really driving growth to our customers and to Kornit and it's beneficial for the market.

Great, thanks and. You had had a healthy operating cash in the quarter and, I, it looks like you wrapped up the share repurchase plan. Just curious if you could comment on, how you think about capital allocation priorities going forward in 2025 and what potential use of cash, are you considering beyond the share repurchase program.

Okay, thanks for the question. So, of the approved $100 million share repurchase that we spoke about in September at the investor event, we have about $17 million remaining on that which we expect to use in the near future. And at that time we also laid out our capital allocation framework. In that framework we spoke about, of course, the $100 million of returning capital to our shareholders.

And while that is a fluid framework and we can't say that it wouldn't change, we're not ready at this point to have that discussion yet. So also in that framework we spoke about balancing organic investments like AIC with strategic acquisitions. We allocated a fairly sizable amount for the AIC program and a certain balance for acquisitions similar to those that the company has undertaken in the past, and we continue to review that and move forward.

Great.

Thank you very much.

I have a follow up question from Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed.

Hi, thank you. I just found myself feeling like I needed to clarify one thing. So, on the calculation of the ARR, I understand, you've clearly stated a couple of times it's the minimum cost per impression times the cost per impression times the minimum con contracted number of impressions and if we get to the fourth quarter and every customer on AIC runs their machines, say twice as much as they do in a normal quarter. I'm just to put a rough scenario out there. Does the ARR calculation reflect that or it's still always just based on that minimum number of contract and impressions?

Yes, so great question, but let me clarify. ARR will always reflect the minimum commitment that customer is signing on in the contract. The minimum commitment is the price per click that he's paying commit multiple by the minimum commitment of impression that he has to run, even if he run twice. We will report the error on the minimum.

Where are you going to see the difference once we will start reporting on the AIC as a separate line, and this will probably be the beginning of next year because it's going to be a significant number, then you will start to see the difference between the ARR to the actual revenue that's being captured from the AIC program. Hope is clear.

Yes, that's very helpful, and that's what I understood was the case, and that's great. Thanks, Ron.

The next question is a follow up from Greg Palm with Craig Hallam. Please proceed.

Yes, thanks, just going back to your comments on, the major Apollo customer that had, committed and maybe delayed. I mean. I just want to make sure I'm clear. You used the word delayed, not canceled, and so I guess it may be a two part question. Is there any potential that that any of those units get placed this year? Is there potential that they get placed next year, and is it more of a matter of trying to find the right place to put them, i.e., based on geography?

So I cannot get into specifics. You probably all know who is the customers and okay, looking at the disruptions that's happening in the market and asking yourself what is the next step. From their perspective, where they should produce, we are working very closely with them. I purposely use the word delayed and not canceled. It's delayed.

We still hope that some of those units will happen this year. We are not waiting. We are relocating those units to new customers. But if this customer will decide to implement a few of those systems which we still hope that it will happen this year, we will do our best to support them.

Okay, fair enough. All right, thanks.

Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Samuel for closing com.

Yes, so thank you all. I know it was a long call, many news at this call. I think you all understand that there was never a better time for Konit to disrupt the market and to lead this change of moving to onshore mass production in a sustainable way.

Thank you for joining today, call. We are very excited about the opportunity of going after the mass production. We see the bogus. About capturing those impressions, and we look forward to continue updating you and to give you transparency as much as you, as we can moving forward, looking forward to meet many of you on a personal level.

Thank you very much.