KB Financial Group Inc (KB) 2010 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Good afternoon. I'm Kyu Sul Choi, Head of IR at the KB Financial Group. First of all, I would like to thank all of you for taking part in KB Financial Group's 2010 third-quarter earnings presentation. The earnings presentation is being broadcasted live over the Internet and the telephone line across the world and during the Q&A session you can take part over the telephone. This earnings presentation is attended by President Lim Young-Rok of KB Financial Group and our CIRO, Kim Wang-Ky, as well as other members of our senior management.

Let me briefly explain how we will proceed with today's earnings presentation. There will be a presentation on the third quarter earnings by our CIRO, Kim Wang-Ky, and after the presentation is over we'll hold a Q&A session over the telephone line. So if you have any questions please raise them during the Q&A session. And now our CIRO, Kim Wang-Ky will present on the third quarter earnings of 2010.

Good afternoon. I am Kim Wang-Ky, KB Financial Group's CIRO. We will now begin the 2010 third quarter earnings release of KBFG. I will first touch upon the third quarter highlights, performance and end with asset quality. Let's go to financial highlights on page two.

The cumulative net income in 2010 Q3 stands at KRW319b, a KRW203b drop year on year. KBFG recorded KRW81.3b of net income in the third quarter which was a turnaround from the KRW335b of net loss incurred in the previous quarter. However, due to the additional provisioning for project finance loans and shipbuilders following KBFG's voluntary third-party review, and new asset classification for guidelines on PF loans by the FSS, net income proved to be quite limited.

Q3 net interest margin, due to the market rate drop repercussions and corporate loan delinquencies, increase of companies that entered into workout programs in the previous quarter, resulted in Q3 NIM going down 6bp QOQ and posted 2.63%.

Group total assets including Trusts and AUM stood at KRW330 trillion as of September end, a KRW13.7 trillion increase, a 4.3% increase year to date. I will elaborate on this later.

Bank's BIS ratio, due to drop in risk-weighted assets, went up 37bp QOQ, posting 13.38% and Tier 1 posted 10.99%, a 26bp improvement QOQ. Core Tier 1 based on common shares posted 10.28%, demonstrating very stable capital adequacy. The Group BIS ratio stood at 13% and 9.85% for Tier 1 respectively. Bank delinquency ratio in Q3 recorded 1.21%, a 26bp increase QOQ. It was highly influenced by the temporary increase in recognized delinquencies of companies undergoing workout before MOU with creditors, following last quarter's round of restructuring. The NPL ratio, due to third-party reviews and real estate PF-loans-guideline-related asset reclassification, rose 32bp QOQ, posting 2.3%.

Let's go to the next page. As you can see in the graph on the left, NIM decline led to interest income and non-interest income decline. Accordingly, gross profit went down KRW145.3b QOQ.

Q3 provisioning expense for the Group went down KRW813.5b QOQ, posting KRW684.5b. The reason for the large decline was, as you are all aware, due to the third round of restructuring in Q2. And following KBFG's pre-emptive provisioning guidelines we had accumulated KRW1.5 trillion of provisioning temporarily. Taking in consideration that the one-off provisioning in Q3 amounted to about KRW320b, following third-party reviews and real-estate-PF-loan-guideline-related asset reclassifications, our recurrent provisioning stands at about KRW360b which is gradually becoming stabilized.

Group BIS and Bank BIS, due to the decline of RWA in Q3m posted 13% and 13.38% respectively. And Tier 1 posted 9.8%, 10.99% respectively, showing an upward trend. In particular Core Tier 1, 9.08% for the Group and 10.28% for the Bank, which is the best capital position in the financial industry. ROA and ROE posted respectively 0.16% and 2.35%, due to low profitability. However, when profitability and asset quality improve from next year, ROA and ROE are expected to improve.

Next, let's go to page five, Group profitability. Looking at the main categories, gross profit from interest and non-interest income, as mentioned before, went down KRW145.3b QOQ, due to decline in interest and non-interest income, both of these categories. We expect to have improvements in NIM. And following active sales activities, which will lead to non-interest income, including fee income growth, gross profit is expected to improve gradually.

Q3 G&A only went up 2.2% year on year due to efforts to cut down on costs. Although it looks to have greatly ballooned from last quarter, it was because of the net loss in the previous quarter. So there was a write-back of KRW35b of performance-linked payment. So this is just a superficial effect. Accordingly, Q3 operating income before provisioning posted KRW847.5b, a KRW203b drop QOQ, and Group's net income in Q3 after provisioning recorded resulting in KRW81.3b of NIM.

Next, Group profitability in more detail, let's go to page six. Bank's interest income rose by 12.1% year on year, but compared to last year, due to loan growth standstill and NIM decline, went down 0.7%, a slight decrease.

Looking at the quarterly NIM of the Bank, due to the April CD interest rate decline and the workout loan delinquency related to Q2 corporate restructuring, went down 6bp, posting 2.63%. However, in the fourth quarter, the July policy interest-rate hikes impact will be realized and due to the drop in funding costs caused by the rollover of high-cost funding reaching maturity in the fourth quarter, and with the appropriate margin security on loans, we expect to see NIM normalized. Next year, we will have efficient management of our asset/liability portfolio and improve the NIM. And considering the market interest-rate hike, we expect to see a 3% quarterly NIM level or approach the 3% quarterly NIM level in 2011.

Non-Bank interest income is maintaining a consistent upward trend.

Now page seven. Now I'd like to touch upon non-interest income. Looking at the Bank's commissions and fees, bancassurance is stable, whereas following the KOSPI rise, sales of ITC products went up leading to a KRW7.7b drop in ITC. Other commissions in won went down KRW18.7b QOQ because credit card marketing-related-services costs went up by approximately KRW20b.

Gain or loss on securities also went down by KRW12.9b QOQ caused by factors such as impairment losses of securities, as a result of Kumho debt/equity swap. Others recorded a 6 -- Others recorded a KRW160b loss in Q3, which may appear to have risen greatly from Q2. However, this was because of the one-off fees incurred by sales of NPLs and from FX and derivative products. So this is not a market-loss increase in Q3.

Non-Bank non-interest income gains went up slightly QOQ.

Next, the G&A, let's go to page eight. G&A expenses in Q3 went up 1.7% year on year and 7.5% QOQ. Labor costs went up KRW411.5b, a 10.5% hike QOQ, because net income recorded a loss in Q2 which led to the write-back of performance-linked pay, a one-off decrease. It did not go up markedly in Q3 as mentioned before.

On the graph on your right, following the Q3 gross profit decline and G&A rise, Bank CIR, cost/income ratio, recorded 48.2%, a 2% increase QOQ. We have a strategic goal of maintaining CIR level below 50% but we plan to more aggressively cut down on costs. And by focusing on profit expansion next year, we will try to lower the level to a mid-40% level.

Regarding the recently announced voluntary-retirement program or early-retirement program, ERP, 3,247 employees signed up. Then we expect to see KRW680b of costs recognized in Q4. However, we will be able to recover the ERP cost within two and half years, which will allow us to have efficient organization operation, and we will be able to have labor cost management and profitability improvements.

Looking at the Non-Bank non-operating income, BCC-due delinquency was reflected resulting in KRW50.4b of impairment loss this quarter.

Now page nine gives an overview of the Bank's profitability and it's shown to provide comparison with past performance.

Next is page 10. It provides an overview of the Group's assets and liabilities. As at the end of 3Q Group consolidated assets stands at KRW269.4 trillion, up 2.7% from last year. Securities and loans showed a slight increase and on the liability side deposits rose 6% while borrowings fell 16% owing to repayment of maturing bonds. More details on the Bank's assets and liabilities will be provided on the next page.

Total assets of the Group comes up to KRW330 trillion, including assets under management.

Next let me move on the Bank's loans in won and credit card assets. Loans in won, including credit card, amounts to KRW186.4 trillion. The sectoral breakdown shows that household loans dropped 0.5% due to repayment of mature collective loan and declining demand for new housing finance owing to the troubled real estate market. With respect to corporate loans, SMEs and large-company loans rose KRW300b and KRW200b respectively, which comes to 0.6% increase as a whole for the corporate sector.

Credit card assets showed a healthy growth of 5.3% over last year, as you can see on the table below. KB Financial Group intends to maintain a stable growth strategy focusing on risk management. In 2011 instead of any drastic increase in the asset size, we intend to pursue a stable lending policy in keeping with the nominal GDP growth rate.

Next page please. On the back of abundant liquidity in the market and investors' flight to safety, as at the end of 3Q, total deposits in won grew 5.2% year on year. Time deposits increased 34.3% while wholesale funding including CD and RP declined by 74.2%. Financial debentures issued in won fell by 16.6% due to continued repayment efforts. And owing to steady growth in customer deposits and decline in wholesale funding, as you can see in the right side graph the demand in savings deposits has increased to 96.2% in deposits in won and 83.1% in funding in won. And so it's a very stable trend.

With the growth in time deposits and conversion of mature CDs to deposits, the interest margin has continued to fall from Q1 this year, reaching our target level of 100% as of the end of Q3.

Next, starting from page 14, let me move on to the Bank's asset quality. Page 14. In the case of substandard-and-below loans, as you are well aware, during Q2 corporate restructuring of the construction sector and credit quality reassessment of real estate PF and mid-sized building companies, has led to a substantial increase in loans in this category. To diffuse concerns over potential asset-quality problems, third-party reviews have been conducted on real estate PFs and the ship-building industry, and financial authorities have implemented new guidelines for PF loans. All of this has led to an increase of KRW20b in substandard and below loans this quarter.

As a result, the NPL ratio comes to 2.3%, up 1.19% year on year and 2.3% (sic - see presentation) QOQ, while the coverage ratio stands at 106.4%, down 46.8% year on year, down 9.4% QOQ.

The delinquency ratio has risen for the household and the corporate sector while the credit card sector remains quite stable. The reason why the delinquency ratio for the corporate sector increased is because during Q2 the restructuring-related workout loans were temporarily recognized as being delinquent before the MOU were signed. As such this is a situation that will soon be resolved.

Household delinquencies rose slightly as an additional KRW73b of the non-delinquent balance of the collective loan in Pusan was recognized as delinquent. Although concerns remain over a prolonged recession in the housing market, there is little likelihood of a large loan pool like this one turning bad all at once. To promptly respond to any signs of asset quality problems, we operate a stringent risk management system and provide collateral cover to ensure effective loan recovery.

Next is page 15. Bank provisions in the third quarter fell by KRW871.6b QOQ. If you look at provisions by sector, in the case of the household sector, the collective loan case in Pusan, the main cause in the rise of household sector delinquency ratio, the second quarter was classified as substandard and below, leading to KRW89b of provisioning this quarter, up KRW110b QOQ.

And the corporate sector provision stands at KRW375.7b, still quite large. But given that one-off factors such as the impact of the voluntary third-party reviews and implementation of new FSS PF loan guidelines amounted to KRW238b, we can expect the sector to stabilize in the coming months.

During Q4, provisioning is expected to improve somewhat, but due to the introduction of the NPL ratio guidelines of 1.79%, a target which must be met by the end of the year, provisioning will be maintained at a slightly high level.

As you can see in the table below, the coverage ratio is 106.4%, down 9.4% QOQ. As you are well aware, when asset-quality assessment is done conservatively and pre-emptively, NPLs tend to rise. The case of substandard provisioning rises from 20% to 49%, doubtful 50%, estimated loss 100%. So because the provisions cannot keep up with increase in NPLs, the coverage ratio cannot help but fall. Even now our coverage ratio is above 100%. And in the future, we expect the asset quality improvement to become more predictable leading to low levels of NPLs and subsequent low provisioning. That would mean that the coverage ratio will increase from the current levels. So there is little concern, little cause for concern in this area.

Moving on to page 16, as I have explained, loss provisioning declined compared to last quarter so that provisioning to total asset ratio in Q3 stands at 0.87%, down 1.34% and the annual credit cost is 1.22%. By sector, household sector's provisioning ratio is 0.63%, up 45bp from last quarter. And provisioning for the corporate sector is down 4.14%, reaching 1.57%. The credit card sector is quite stable at 2.1% (sic - see presentation). This year, owing to our conservative provisioning policy and pre-emptive provisioning for troubled industries, our credit cost remained high. But the situation will stabilize significantly starting from the fourth quarter.

Up to now I have explained the third quarter earnings of our Group and I would like to apologize if some of our results have not been quite up to your expectations. But I would like to emphasize that our new management are fully aware of the entire set of problems that we face and how we should address them. So, as such, we will do our best to show much better results next year and we would like to ask for your continued support and interest.

Thank you very much for your attention.

Thank you very much for the presentation. Now we will start the Q&A session. For those who are joining us via webcast, the Internet, please refer to the number on the last page of the presentation, to call in your questions. For those who are joining us via the phone, please press 'star, one' and ask your question. You may ask questions even when other questions are being asked and answered, because we will be receiving questions in the order of the questions asked.

For your information, the webcast has a 20 to 30 second lag, so we will have to wait for the call to come in. As mentioned before, please do not hesitate to ask your questions, even when other questions are being asked or answered. We will receive the questions in the order of the questions asked.

We are now receiving a call from Citi Securities, Kim Jinsang, please. Hello, yes please ask your question.

First of all, KBFG's third quarter main one-off factors, whether they're gains or losses. Could you elaborate on the main one-off factors? I'm sorry to say I missed the beginning.

And regarding the provisioning, the recurrent level KRW350b and I believe that there are some other one-off factors related to the new assets reclassification guidelines and your third-party review.

Also related to the ERP you expect this KRW680b one-off cost and it is actually bigger than I expected. I am curious about this huge amount. And you said that it can be recovered in two years and a half. And do you think that is really feasible? Do you have full confidence in that? Please answer these questions.

Thank you for your questions. As mentioned before, the third quarter provisioning we had about KRW684b and about 50% of it comes from one-off factors.

Regarding other weaknesses, we have voluntary third-party review by an external accounting firm. So we had third-party reviews for our shipbuilders and our real estate PF. And in shipbuilding we had about KRW130b of extra provisioning. And in real estate PFs, the Pusan collective loans led to KRW89b of additional provisioning. Apart from this, real estate PF had the new guideline by the regulator and about KRW13b of extra provisioning lead to the results mentioned. And the PF guidelines is about KRW36b. So these are the one-off factors.

And you asked about the ERP cost being bigger than you expected. We have 3,247 people so this is about KRW678b. And would you like to elaborate [Mr. Park], our CSO?

The numbers turned out to be 3,274 and it was actually a bigger number than we expected for the ERP. And when we take into account 36 months of salary, it's about KRW550b. And apart from that there are other costs which is about KRW128b so that leads to KRW678b. This is about KRW50b increase from our expected figure. If these people did not voluntarily retire, each year the bank would have to pay about KRW330b each year. So we mentioned two years and a half, but taking into consideration the administrative costs and salary, we believe that two years would be sufficient for these costs to be repaid.

Thank you very much for the answer.

Maybe one of the factors in third quarter the BCC impairment loss KRW50.4b should also be considered.

From Hana Securities.

I'm [Pak Shun Wung] from Hana Securities. In the case of real estate PF you said that there was about KRW130b provisioning was set aside. According to the asset-quality classification, how much of that loans has reclassified, downgraded?

And how has the PF loan changed from the second quarter to the third quarter overall?

As you are well aware, in the case of the property PF we have been continually reducing the number, from KRW12.2 trillion it has been reduced to about KRW7 trillion. So about KRW4.6 trillion has been reduced. It was KRW8.2 trillion in the past. So the delinquency rate is about 3.8% for the PF and NPL is about 17.4%. With regard to some of the insolvent PF loans we have downgraded the credit rating and we have initiated conservative policies. As of September the balance is KRW1.16 trillion for the provisioning and the NPL coverage is about 76.7%, so this quite higher than other banks' levels.

And you also asked about the provisioning during the third quarter. Because of the FSS PF guidelines and because of third-party review result, NPL has increased about KRW384b and the provisioning is about KRW123b. I think that provides a sufficient answer.

From Kiwoom Securities, Seo Young-soo.

Hello. I'm Seo Young-soo from Kiwoom Securities. I have two questions. First is about the collective loans. In the second quarter there were some delinquencies and it seems that you are seeing more delinquencies. And there is the [Yong Ju] issue and I think you mentioned that the [Yong Ju] issue will not spread. With the asset reclassifications, do you think this issue being spread can be contained or these loans, actually I believe they were loans made in the past so maybe it would be difficult to contain these NPLs. So I would like you to elaborate on this.

And another issue also is relevant to the second quarter. NPL coverage ratio went down in the second quarter and the NPL ratio went up. You mentioned then that with conservative provisioning you had those figures. However conservative provisioning and NPL ratio management, because the substandard and low can go from 29% to 49% and that is also applicable to precautionary, and why are you embarking on this extra provisioning by reclassifications of these asset classes? So is this a sign of KBFG's asset deteriorating? Please answer these two questions.

First of all regarding the collective loans, as mentioned before, KBFG's asset quality issues only derive from locally. And in the second quarter and third quarter we did not have many NPLs. And we only had delinquency in the [Yong Ju] site, so we had extra provisioning there.

Of course we may be concerned about extra deterioration, but in order for us to gain trust we commissioned a neutral third party and we had enacted due diligence. For each PF site we have set forth many action plans that rival the worked-out related plans, so we believe that we will not have a high possibility of extra provisioning or NPLs. Who would like to add to my comment anyone?

My name is Yoon Jong-Kyoo and I'm the CFO. Regarding the collective loan as mentioned by, Seo Young-soo, it is true that we still have some room for concern. However, our relevant teams are looking into possibilities of a future delinquencies and NPLs. And, as mentioned before, we hold the internal review opinion that there is not a high possibility. It is because our collective loan site are mostly very prime sites. However, the real estate economy is not very strong. So we cannot be rest assured yet.

And (inaudible) asked the question about pre-emptive provisioning of KBFG. And as mentioned before, we had a third-party review. And we did not just change the provisioning ratio from 20% to 49% up of our own will. We did this as a result of the third party review of our PF loans.

Next question please. As I've announced before, even while questions are being asked, if you have any questions you can call us and you can ask your question. From [Tumbu] Securities Mr. [Li Fyun Gyeong].

I have two questions. One is, I think, related to a similar issue. With regards to real estate PFs, the substandard-and-below loans the NPL is about KRW384b. According to the FSS new guidelines, impact of that, and how does the impact of the FSS loan guideline and your own internal guidelines differ? You said that new provisioning has been set aside as you reclassified assets into substandard and below, but that amount was not that large. So the impact of the FSS new guidelines, the impact of other new internal efforts, how much is that specifically? That's one of my questions.

And my second question is with regards to Orient shipbuilders, some other banks have set aside greater provisioning. And also there has been write-backs by some other banks because it went into court receivership. But you have not written back. Even considering that the top-line numbers are not that great, when the new Chairman took office he did say (technical difficulty) expected. So although we expect the provisioning situation to improve, I think the provisioning situation is quite bad, below our expectations. So what kind of prospect can you give about the provisioning situation, not about the interest rate impact, but how operating income can increase, if we can look at the current situation as being recurring in the years to come?

With regards to Orient shipbuilding company as we have pointed out with regards to Orient shipbuilding we have not written back our provisioning. With regards to this issue, as we repeatedly emphasize, we undertake a very conservative policy regarding our provisioning and our asset quality classification. And in the future, if this company, if there is not market improvement in the financial situation of this company, we will not wipe out our provisioning for this company and we will tend to find additional provisioning as a matter of fact. For your information, our total loans to Orient shipbuilding is about KRW500b and we have about KRW410b in provisioning for this company.

With regards to FSS PF guidelines, we will provide further details through the telephone.

With regards to the top-line numbers, our CFO, Yoon Jong-Kyoo, will provide more details.

As Mr. Lee has said, at present we place great priority on recovery of the top line numbers rather than provisioning. To meet our shareholders expectations on a quarterly basis the top line numbers should be -- operating income should be at least KRW2 trillion, but it's about KRW1.8 trillion at present. And how to recover that 10% is something we are focusing on and we are making plans.

First of all with regard to interest income in the corporate sector, the contribution level and the NIM level is falling, so we're reassessing this aspect. And also with our credit lines premium interest rate has been too passive, so we are rectifying the situation.

With regards to deposits, funding is another area that requires a further effort. And demand deposits must also be expanded. So our sales forces are making further efforts to this goal.

And non-interest income, in the case of bancassurance, as our CIRO said, is quite stable. But fund sales and other non-interest income is quite weak. And especially the securities sector and the corporate IB in terms commissions/fees, their contribution rate was quite high in the past, but their contribution has become lower. So these are areas that we are making efforts to improve.

However, with regards to timing, these improvements in our system and institutions and policies, this cannot be done overnight. So starting from fourth quarter we think that the impact of our efforts will become more visible.

Next question.

Before we receive the next question, to elaborate, the real estate PF related NPL increase is similar to the level of provisioning expense. So we believe that the NPL increase probably stems from our voluntary third party review, but we will get back to you.

From Franklin Templeton, Mr. Jung.

My name is [Jung Byu] from Franklin Templeton. I have one simple question. The Chairman three weeks ago went on a global IR and met many shareholders. Could you elaborate upon the main points stressed by the Chairman on his IR trip?

Why don't we invite Mr. Choi, the Head of the IR department who was with the Chairman on that IR.

The Chairman spoke along similar lines as mentioned by our CIRO. And he talked about our future plans and our future directions. So regarding the operating results his comments were similar to today's comments. For your reference, the market, upon the appointment of our Chairman and the new management, they showed some concern. And the Chairman promised the concerned investors that we will not engage in an M&A, major M&A before our operations become normalized. So he clearly clarified that.

And regarding the sale of treasury shares, he promised that we will not sell off the treasury sales in a block because it's a huge volume and we will try to get a strategic or financial investor to accommodate these treasury stock. In the long term he mentioned that for our shareholders we need to stress our ROE. So he emphasized our profitability and capital adequacy. So I believe that these three points were those he stressed and he mentioned our future direction which was very similar to the comments made today.

We will wait for the next question. Mr. [Pak Shun Wung] from Hana Securities.

Talking about non-operating gains and losses you said that there were impairment losses related to BCC. So if you look at the BCC situation, how much of that is recognized in the balance sheet of this financial group?

Let me provide an answer. BCC received KRW950b of our investment. And the book value is about KRW497.5b, slightly less than KRW500b. And there was about KRW50b of impairment loss. Because of the foreign exchange translation losses and also recurring write-offs, that amounts to about [KRW4b], so about KRW100b has been recognized.

With regards to management situation at BCC, Kazakhstan itself has [not] fully recovered from the aftermath of the financial crisis. The Kazakhstan economy is based on natural resources and the price of natural resources, raw materials are recovering quickly. So the macroeconomic situation of Kazakhstan is recovering very quickly and, as such, the financial industry as well is expected to recover from the financial crisis. But NPLs will take time to become normalized. And we will support their efforts to normalize, but with regards to our investment, we intend to pursue a conservative policy.

We will wait for the next question to come in. As mentioned before many times, please do not hesitate to ask questions. Yes, we will wait for the next question coming in. From CLSA Securities, Mr. Oh -- [Ms. Oh].

Yes I am Ms. Oh from CLSA. Regarding the ERP, I have a question. You mentioned KRW678b of costs. And doing reverse calculation, it takes up about a amount that actually is not even the average salary level of an employee of KBFG.

And secondly, with the increased delinquencies I would like to know how much of it comes from the work-out company loans.

Ms. Oh, could you elaborate once more about the ERP details you are curious about?

And the work-out-related companies loans adds to 16bp of the total. And could you please repeat your question about the ERP once again?

It's KRW678b of cost for the ERP. And when you divide that number by the numbers of applicants, the yearly cost for each employee, even if you add up all the additional costs, that amount is much lower than the average salary level of KBFG employees. I know that your goal is to have efficient cost base so probably the older employees probably would retire. But after looking at these calculations, maybe it is not the older employees that will choose to leave the Company.

To give you an answer, for those who have chosen to leave the Company voluntarily there are some people who will receive 36 months of salary and some who will receive 24 months of salary. Accordingly not everyone will receive 36 months of salary upon retirement. In particular, some office workers, some clerical workers, choose to leave the Company voluntarily so that is why the amount may be lower than you had expected. I hope that answered your question.

We received a lot of questions. I think you had sufficient time to ask any questions that you might have. Those of you who have not been able to ask questions during the Q&A session please ask these questions to us individually. With this we would like to close the third quarter earnings presentation for the KB Financial Group. And the video for today's presentation will be uploaded to our IR website at the KB Financial Group and you will be able to view it any time you want. And those of you who were not able to ask your questions, please ask your question to our IR team and we will provide sufficient answers to the best of our ability. Let me thank all of you who have taken part in today's presentation. Thank you very much.

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