Independent Bank Corp (Massachusetts) (INDB) 2009 Q3 法說會逐字稿

Welcome to the Independent Bank Corp. third quarter conference call.

(Operator Instructions)

Now I would like to turn the call over to Chris Oddleifson, please go ahead, sir.

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today. I'm accompanied by Denis Sheahan, Chief Financial Officer, who will review our third quarter results after my comments. I'd like to begin with a customary cautionary statement. This call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial conditions, results of operation, and the business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Independent Bank Corp. cautions you against unduly relying on any forward-looking statement, and disclaims any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new information, future events, or otherwise.

Now let's talk about the third quarter. I would characterize our third quarter performance as a very solid one, especially in light of the tough economic environment. In terms of the numbers, our net income amounted to $6.8 million in the third quarter, or $0.33 per share. Our results were held back by additional securities impairment charges which cost us $0.16 per share. While we do include these in our operating income calculations, they certainly are not attached to our ongoing businesses. Our core businesses are fairing quite nicely, producing earnings at much higher level than the reported bottom line would indicate. Denis will cover these charges in more detail, but the good news is that our remaining exposures are quite small.

We are definitely encouraged by a host of positive trends that continued this quarter. A strong loan pipeline that drove a double-digit annualized growth rate in our commercial loan portfolio, strong growth in our home equity portfolio, healthy mortgage origination levels, lower funding costs from our emphasis on core deposits and very disciplined pricing, significant improvement in our net interest margin which crossed over the 4% mark in the third quarter. Resilient wealth management business that has maintained our assets under management levels of about $1.2 billion above where they ended last year, despite the volatile market. These trends are a result of a lot of hard work -- on a lot of everyone at Rockland Trust Company, and from -- directly from our energized and motivated workforce, our consistent willingness to lend when many others have pulled back. Our active market visibility and promotional campaigns, in-depth knowledge of each individual market, and our overall operating discipline.

Regarding asset quality, we remain in good shape relative to our peers in the industry. We are experiencing upward movement in our nonperforming loans, but the absolute levels are still relatively modest. Unquestionably, the ongoing recession will continue to put pressure on individual credits from quarter-to-quarter, but we see no portfolio-wide weakening, no portfolio wide -- is really expected. Outlook for charge-offs in 2009 has not changed from our original forecast in January of this year. Now, as many of you are familiar, we have a superb group of workout professionals that have been with us for a long time. Capital remains a real source of strength for our company. Tangible common was well above 6%. Regulatory capital in excess of the prescribed thresholds. We have a track record of maintaining a steady level of dividends. And I want to be quick to note that we achieved this capital position without engaging in any equity raising.

Turning to local market conditions, the environment remains a tough one, but there are some silver linings. Housing prices in our primary counties are beginning to move up. As I'm sure many of you have seen, the Kay Schiller index, we've seen only a 5% reduction in real estate values between July of '08 and July of '09. And it also shows a relatively good 18% peak-to-trough decline on these values. Certainly really good when compared to many other parts of the country. We are definitely witnessing a high volume of first-time home buying. We're seeing among our commercial clients a gross sales level stabilizing although at a lower level of pre-downturn. And interestingly, there's a good amount of what I would characterize as hungry money out there, looking to invest in the right kinds of projects and deals at the right price.

Unemployment continues to rise with Massachusetts' rate over 9%, which we are paying very close attention to. In our own region, it varies, but it's probably running more 8% plus versus 9% plus. Talking about Ben Franklin, we're simply thrilled with this recent addition to our franchise of this very demographically attractive western suburb of Boston. We have fully assimilated Ben Franklin into Rockland. Customer and deposit retention rates have been excellent. We've maintained continuity and acquired branches by retaining front line staff. We're beginning to make inroads into Ben Franklin's client base, with Rockland's broader product sets, such as our home equity loan and our investment management services.

Looking ahead we intend to adhere to our chosen path of being disciplined in our growth, and playing both defense and offense intelligently. We plan to sustain the robust business volumes in our major units, keep the credit flowing to credit worthy customers, take advantage of the market voids created by our distracted competitors, retain our underwriting disciplines, and our strong balance sheet orientation. Of course, adopt a very careful but opportunistic approach to M&A possibilities. We weel this approach positions us well to, quote, keep the show on the road in the current environment and prosper upon their eventual recovery. That's it for me. Thank you. And I will turn it over to Denis.

Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. Independent Bank Corp. reported net income of $6.8 million and diluted earnings per share of $0.33 in the third quarter of 2009, as compared to net income of $700,000 and a diluted loss per share of $0.19 in the second quarter. Focusing on the third quarter, the quarter met our expectations on most fronts, and was a good solid quarter on fundamentals with the exception of the trust preferred securities impairment charge. First, let me cover this charge right up front. Independent Bank Corp. recorded a $5.1 million pretax impairment charge, or $0.16 per diluted share in the third quarter, largely on pooled trust preferred securities. Our remaining exposure is limited, and we've steadily been writing these down. We've included a table in the press release for your information. And as you can see from the table, the D tranches have been written down to zero, and the total remaining exposure of all pooled trust preferred securities is $10.9 million pretax. The basic reality is that the underlying issuer banks of these trust preferred securities are under pressure to preserve capital, and in many cases, are simply deferring dividend payments.

There are a number of positive developments in the quarter. The net interest margin improved for the second consecutive quarter to 4.05% in the current period from 3.88% in the prior period. We continue to see a reduction in the cost of deposits, as we place emphasis on core deposits. Core deposits now represent 70% of total deposits, as we have been focused on improving the mix of our deposit base. Our overall cost of those deposits including demand deposits, is now 90 basis points. Commercial lending and home equity lending grew at annualized rates of 12% and 8% respectively. We continue to see very good opportunities here as others pull away.

Asset quality remains in good shape. Although nonperforming assets increased, the majority of the increase came from a $5 million commercial real estate loan that is not delinquent. And we anticipate a full return to accrual in the fourth quarter. Net loan charge-offs in the third quarter were $3.2 million, and the provision for loan losses was $4.4 million or 1.4 times the level of net charge-offs. At that time beginning of the year, we anticipated around $12 million in net charge-offs for all of 2009, and we still believe that to be a good estimate. Loan delinquency improved to 1.58% of total loans in the third quarter from 1.72% in the prior quarter. Tangible common equity improved to 6.58% at the end of Q3, and we are on track to improve to 6.75 by year end.

Let me give you some additional thoughts on capital which comes up a lot in our conversations with investors. Currently we do not feel constrained by the level of capital to pursue our strategy. Any decision to raise capital will first, depend on the level of commercial loan growth that goes beyond our current anticipation of continued strong growth. Second, whether the new regulatory well capitalized environment leads the industry and banks like us, to logically set higher bars for capital. And third, whether highly attractive acquisition opportunities would lead to us raise capital. But again, at this point, we feel we are in good shape in terms of capital.

I will now review earnings guidance. As you can appreciate, there is much uncertainty in the financial services industry regarding individual company performance in 2009, in light of the economic weakening. Yet we continue to feel it's important to share our outlook with our shareholders, recognizing that it is a fluid exercise and subject to update. Given the uncertainty that typically surrounds the securities impairment we do not, as a matter of course, include estimates of further impairment in our ongoing guidance, simply because they are too imponderable.

So, updating last quarter's $1.50 to $1.60 guidance to include the Q3 securities impairment, and backing out the Q4 special FDIC deposit assessment previously assumed, our latest estimate of performance is diluted earnings per share on an operating basis now expected to be in the range of $1.43 to $1.47. All our other prior assumptions are essentially the same. I already mentioned we anticipate net charge-offs to be in the $12 million region, consistent with prior guidance. The loan loss provision will likely be $17 million to $18 million for the year. Tax rate likely to be 24% in the fourth quarter. Net interest margin 4%, again, in the fourth quarter. And continued good commercial loan growth for the remainder of the year, though mitigated by runoff in the residential and auto lending categories resulting in total loan outstandings at approximately $3.4 billion at year-end. That concludes my comments. Chris?

Great, I think we are ready for questions.

Thank you.

(Operator Instructions)

Our first question comes from Damon Delmonte of KBW. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, guys. How are you?

Good morning.

I was wondering if could you provide a little color on the commercial real estate market in your footprint right now. Kind of what you're seeing from demand perspective, as well as what you're seeing for pricing and competition.

I'll chime in first. I'll pull some information that I have here. We're -- first of all, let me remind you that things never got too frothy in our area. That's a very important consideration. We never had rents in the $100 range, and the skyrocketing. So the lack of frothiness has resulted in sort of not such a crash down. We are seeing -- I'm just taking a look at office and industrial space, in sort of our area, the asking lease rates are coming down somewhat. We're seeing some negative absorption, some what of an increase in vacancy rates. But interestingly, talking to our senior lender, he sort of, over the last couple, three weeks, is saying he's seeing a little bit more activity in sort of the absorbing some of that space, but that's not reflected in the statistics. So no weakening, but -- we didn't have the speculative build, we didn't have the big rise up in rates. So -- it's something to monitor but not get -- not panic about yet.

Okay, great. Could you remind us, when you look at your current portfolio right now what the average LTV was at the time of origination, and a typical debt service coverage ratio?

Sure. For commercial real estate portfolio, Damon?

Yes, Denis.

Again, talking to our commercial guys yesterday -- let me back off and talk about LTVs, because I know obviously there's a lot of conversation about the commercial real estate business. In Massachusetts, there was a state law, until probably three or four years ago, that wouldn't allow to you go above 80% LTV on a commercial real estate project. And that was a very good discipline. And we had actually, by policy, and still do today, we would not go above 80% LTV on a commercial real estate deal. So that certainly provided some protection. When I asked our commercial credit people yesterday what they would -- what our average LTV was, even at this point, after certainly some depreciation in commercial real estate values, they felt pretty confident that our portfolio LTV is in the 65% to 70% range. And no higher than that.

Okay.

In terms of, you asked about demand, Damon, and also debt service coverage, I'll cover the demand first. Our pipeline remains very, very strong. And why? Well, we're finding that borrowers at other institutions, particularly the larger institutions, are getting more and more fed up with change. Whether that change is the bank deciding to change terms of the deal in which they are operating under. Whether it's a lot of officer turnover, reduced availability on lines of credit, generally shrinking of staff. There's less capital in the market for lending from the larger players, so all of those factors together are resulting in tremendous opportunity for us from a demand perspective. We're pretty confident we're going to review about $2 billion in commercial credit, maybe a little bit more, Chris, than that?

I think it's more like 2.4.

$2.4 billion in credit. We won't close that, but we'll close somewhere between $400 million, $450 million. So we're seeing a lot of opportunity. As far as the debt service coverage, we typically underwrite to no less than 1.2 times, and that's a generality. It's higher for certain categories. For example, were we to do something like a hotel lending or a golf course lending, that would be significantly higher than that.

Okay. Great. If you look at the income statement and the expense line items, the other expense this quarter, what's a good run rate for that going forward? Could you just clarify, are we supposed to be modeling in any fourth quarter special FDIC assessment?

No, that's pretty much taken off the table. It would it require a very special meeting to have that happen. We don't anticipate that happening.

Right, okay. So is the roughly $8.9 million a decent run rate for all other noninterest expense?

Well, in total, I don't have the break down here in front of me, Damon. So in total I'd say -- we had -- we have 32, 3 in the third quarter. We're looking at about $33 million for total noninterest expense in the fourth.

Okay.

A little higher in Q4.

Okay, that makes sense. And then lastly, what's your total capital ratio, for the quarter?

Risk-based?

Yes.

We need to finalize our call report. I can give you an estimate. It's around 11.60. But keep in mind, the call report doesn't get filed for another week or so here, so we have to just finalize all that, but we anticipate it will be around 11.60 or so.

Great, that's all I have for now. Thank you.

Sure.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jon Stewart of Sandler O'Neill Asset Management. Please go ahead, sir.

Hey, good morning, guys.

Good morning.

Denis, I was wondering, was there an MSR impairment?

Yes.

Can you give me the dollar amount for that?

A little around $500,000.

Okay.

Around that.

And then I guess just another kind of model maintenance question, what were your TDR balances as of September 30th? I know they're around $3.5 million in June.

I have that here. Bear with me for a second, John. I think it's around $10 million. Yes, $10 million in TDRs.

Can you give us a little info on what that might look like?

It's a combination of real estate loan modifications that have sort of been building up for awhile, then certainly some commercial modifications.

And what are those modifications typically look like? Are they just moving to IO for a period of time? Are you extending them? What do those generally look like?

I'll ask our Treasurer Rob, who is sitting here with me what is very actively involved in this, and I will ask Rob to describe particularly in the residential side, Rob what we do from modification perspective.

We try to follow the government programs, generally. But on certain occasions we will do interest only for a period of six months. They can't beat the income limitations of the government program. Most of the time, we'll be targeting debt service coverage ratios, and reducing the rate for a period of five years. After the five-year period, the rate will increase 1% per year, but reaches current market rate.

Okay. And so I guess, Denis, the accounting rules, the 114 rules require to you put a reserve against those, is that correct?

That's not our read of it, John.

Okay. So there are no specific reserves against any of these?

No. Barry?

I mean, if there is an impairment on the loan, there would be a reserve for the differential. If it was collateral dependent, the differential would be charged off.

John, just to give you background about how we record these from an accruing and non accruing perspective, our TDRs, we have some TDRs that are accruing, and some that are not accruing. Our practice is that on consumer loans, that they would -- they need to show a period of performance of six months or more, before we would return them to accrual. So there is that -- assuming that they are meeting the requirements of the restructure after a six-month period, we would return them to accrual.

Okay, But that 10 million balance includes those that are accruing and nonaccruing?

Yes, and if you want the breakdown, there's $4 million nonaccruing, $6 million that's accruing.

Okay. And then do you have the 90-day past due balances as well?

Yes. I do here somewhere. Bear with me a second. 90 days past due is $25.5 million.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that number was $400,000 last quarter?

90 days delinquent? No. No, no. 90 days delinquent was $26.5 million last quarter.

Okay.

I want to make sure we're on the same wavelength.

I had a number of $398,000 as of June 30.

No, no. 90 plus days delinquent was $26.5 million last quarter. $25.5 this quarter.

Okay. And a lot of those are in the non accrual bucket already, is that right?

Yes, they would be. Are you talking about --

90 days still accruing.

90 days past due but still accruing. That's a small number. I don't know that I have that here, John.

Okay.

I can follow up with you, but that is a different number. I was giving you 90 days delinquent. I don't think I have that here.

And then I guess just finally, bigger picture, for a commercial heavy bank like you guys, do you have any thoughts on what the regulatory guidelines may end up being, as far as capital is concerned and kind of where you stack up against that?

Not really, no. I think with respect to our commercial concentration, we are relatively compare very well to other banks around the country. But in terms of what they're going to do in terms of cranking up capital requirements, I know there's talk about that, but we have heard no specifics.

Okay. Fair enough. Thanks a lot, guys.

Sure.

(Operator Instructions)

We have a question from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, gentlemen.

Good morning.

Denis, just to clarify, you said you expected $1.43 to $1.47 for the year. Are you assuming the first three-quarters that you totaled $1.10? Because I know you had excluded securities impairment, and you were excluding the FDIC charge in the fourth quarter. So is that for the first three-quarters $0.32, $0.45, and $0.33?

We're assuming $0.98.

I'll back into it, $0.98, got it.

You can actually see it, Mark, right on our income statement. There's a table, a non-GAAP table at the bottom of the release that shows how we get to the $0.98.

Got it.. And then secondly, on that $6 million second credit that went to nonaccrual, could you kind of share with us the dynamics of what was going on there, what kind of commercial real estate property it is?

It's another sort of mill conversion project. It ran into sort of sales issues. We work very, very aggressively with the borrower, and they had other resources that they brought to the table, and we are feeling pretty confident about it. In fact, it is current right now, it just needs to season another couple months, isn't that right, Denis?

Yes, that's right. Also, Mark, this is a new market tax project -- tax credit project, so keep in mind this is a loan that we're working through, but it's also a loan that we get a 39% tax credit on.

Okay. And then lastly, I wondered if could you maybe share some thoughts with us about what you're seeing in the acquisition environment now that the Ben Franklin deal is fully integrated. Is the level of conversations out there increasing, would you say, or companies that are sort of running into some financial challenges, or credit challenges starting to look for partners?

Yes, you certainly hear a lot of chatter in that regard, don't you, Mark. Lots of folks capital aggregating, go roll up distressed banks around the country. New England is in really good shape, for grins, comparing Georgia and Massachusetts. Two different worlds. There are one or two banks that are in New England that we're hearing are sort of maybe in the distressed arena, but we're not seeing wide opportunities there. I -- from our posture is, relationships maintained, enhance relationships with other banks, if their boards raise their hands we hope to be at their table.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Gentlemen, we have no further questions at this time. Do you have any closing remarks?

Just thank you very much, and we look forward to talking to you about year-end and our outlook for 2010 in three months. Great, thank you.

Bye.

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.